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bluecoller-eddie
10-22-2012, 02:39 PM
I am a grumpy old man, to keep my blood flowing, I often listen to Sean
Hannity. Sean always mentions Obamas promise to cut the deficit in half.
That always gets my blood boiling.
Didn't brain-dead Reagan promise a balanced budget by 1984?
On the day of the second presidential debate, media whore Tom Brokaw
said Obama will have to answer for his trillion dollar deficits.

Lets see what caused these deficits.
Like Clinton sez, it's only math.


February 4, 2008.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2009-BUD/pdf/BUDGET-2009-BUD-4.pdf
THE BUDGET MESSAGE OF THE PRESIDENT

In my 2009 Budget, I have set clear priorities that will help us meet our
Nation’s most pressing needs while addressing the long-term challenges
ahead. With pro-growth policies and spending discipline, we will balance
the budget in 2012, keep the tax burden low, and provide for our national
security. And that will help make our country safer and more prosperous.

GEORGE W. BUSH
THE WHITE HOUSE,
February 4, 2008


SUMMARY TABLES
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET-2009-BUD/pdf/BUDGET-2009-BUD-31.pdf

Bush Balanced
Budget Baseline
2009 . ...Projected.....Actual ....Difference
Receipts...2,700 .......2,105 .....-595
Outlays....3,107 .......3,518 .....+411
Deficit ......-407 ......-1,413

Bush
2010 . ...Projected.....Actual ....Difference
Receipts...2,931 .......2,163 .....-768
Outlays....3,091 .......3,456 .....+365
Deficit ......-160 ......-1,293

2011 . ...Projected.....Actual ....Difference
Receipts...3,076 .......2,304 .....-772
Outlays....3,171 .......3,603 .....+432
Deficit .......-95 ......-1.300

2012 . ...Projected.....Actual ....Difference
Receipts...3,270 .......2,450 .....-820
Outlays....3,222 .......3,540 .....+318
Deficit .......+48 .......1,090

Deficit .-1,413 .-1.293 .-1.300 .-1,090 =-5.096
Receipts ..-595 ...-768 ...-772 ...-820 =-2.955
Outlays ...+411 ,.,+365 ...+432 ...+318 =+1.526

Bush also left more than 500 billion dollars in existing deficits.
So Bush slithered back to Texas, leaving Obama three and one half
trillion dollars in deficits over 4 years.

As can be seen the collapse of the bush supply side scam resulted
in revenues coming in almost three trillion dollars
less than the bush balanced budget projections.
Spending came in about one and one half trillion above the bush balanced
budget projections.

Blame the Irish guy for spending three trillion dollars that he never got.
For Republicans, Lying is a way of life.

Much of the spending increase was the result of the Bush recession that
lost almost nine million jobs.
The recession caused large increases in Medicaid, Social Security
retirements, food stamps, and Unemployment compensation.
Outside of the stimulus there was very little spending due to
bills passed by Obama.


National Defense:

2008 ---616,073
2012 ---676.687 ___+60.614

Medicaid:

2008 ---247,739
2012 ---364.755 ___+117.016

Medicare:

2008 ---390,758
2012 ---499.284 ___+108.526

Unemployment compensation:

2008 ---45,340
2012 --107.080 ___+61.740

Food and nutrition assistance:

2008 ---60,673
2012 --114.975 ___+54.302

Social Security:

2008 --617,027
2012 --781.172 ___+164.145

Total -------------+566.225

The bottom line is when Republicans claim that Obamas spending has totaled five
trillion dollars, THEY ARE LYING. Period.
It,s simple math. Total spending only increased one and a half trillion dollars.
Revenue declined by three trillion dollars.
Obama couldn't spend money that he never got.
The deficit is mostly the result of falling revenue. PERIOD.
The failure of the Bush supply side scam.

For Republicans, Lying is a way of life.


http://politikasm.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/republican-lies.jpg


-----Bluecoller, the grumpy old kraut-----:devil

Wild Cobra
10-22-2012, 02:44 PM
I smell a troll, or at best, an uninformed partisan.

FromWayDowntown
10-22-2012, 02:50 PM
I smell a troll, or at best, an uninformed partisan.

Do you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is uninformed?

Wild Cobra
10-22-2012, 02:55 PM
Do you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is uninformed?
No, but that is his post #1, and real partisan at that. We all know campaign promises don't mean shit also. He says he's a "grumpy old man," so hasn't seen that in every president?

Give me a break.

boutons_deux
10-22-2012, 03:12 PM
"We all know campaign promises don't mean shit also."

But Repug campaign LIES are the TROOF!

CosmicCowboy
10-22-2012, 03:28 PM
"We all know campaign promises don't mean shit also."

But Repug campaign LIES are the TROOF!




STFU Bitch. Go to planned parenthood and get your free mammogram!

FromWayDowntown
10-22-2012, 03:53 PM
No, but that is his post #1, and real partisan at that. We all know campaign promises don't mean shit also. He says he's a "grumpy old man," so hasn't seen that in every president?

Give me a break.

If "campaign promises don't mean shit," then why on Earth is Mitt Romney trying to hang President Obama on his campaign promises from 4 years ago?

They either mean something and history rightly assails those who don't fulfill those promises, or they mean nothing and the failure to satisfy those promises is a non-issue.

Which is it?

CosmicCowboy
10-22-2012, 03:55 PM
It just seems to be how the game is played. Obama is currently hitting Romney for moderating his positions after finally getting out of that god awful primary.

Trill Clinton
10-22-2012, 03:59 PM
cant argue with facts. nice thread OP.

baseline bum
10-22-2012, 04:03 PM
I smell a troll, or at best, an uninformed partisan.

So go take a shower then if you stink.

FuzzyLumpkins
10-22-2012, 04:11 PM
Red team has resorted to blanket dismissals. Very telling when they are incapable of arguing based on merit.

DarrinS
10-22-2012, 04:14 PM
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

CosmicCowboy
10-22-2012, 04:50 PM
Red team has resorted to blanket dismissals. Very telling when they are incapable of arguing based on merit.

pot, meet kettle

FuzzyLumpkins
10-22-2012, 04:56 PM
pot, meet kettle

Really give examples. I make it a point to not just give blanket dismissals. What I see here is another blanket dismissal from you saying that i am a hypocrite therefor just disregard what I am saying. I counter that with you making a baseless accusation and I think you should show proof if you are going to besmirch me.

At least when I call you a self righteous entitled greedy puke I back it up with your support of medicare, derision of AFDC and other entitlements that you do not get, buying golf carts on the governments dime and voting against anyone who proposes a tax increase and support of the tea party converse position.

See how that works? If you are going to label someone with sting you need to back it up. As usual you fail to do so.

CosmicCowboy
10-22-2012, 05:08 PM
Really give examples. I make it a point to not just give blanket dismissals. What I see here is another blanket dismissal from you saying that i am a hypocrite therefor just disregard what I am saying. I counter that with you making a baseless accusation and I think you should show proof if you are going to besmirch me.

At least when I call you a self righteous entitled greedy puke I back it up with your support of medicare, derision of AFDC and other entitlements that you do not get, buying golf carts on the governments dime and voting against anyone who proposes a tax increase and support of the tea party converse position.



See how that works? If you are going to label someone with sting you need to back it up. As usual you fail to do so.

I don't have to do a fucking thing I don't want to do. There are several posters in here I consider worthy of banter/debate. You aren't one of them. You are just a stupid, bitter, loser that is full of hate. GFY.

FuzzyLumpkins
10-22-2012, 05:34 PM
I don't have to do a fucking thing I don't want to do. There are several posters in here I consider worthy of banter/debate. You aren't one of them. You are just a stupid, bitter, loser that is full of hate. GFY.

Of course you don't have to do anything you don't want to. That just NOP with you thus the self righteous comment. I know I don't give blanket dismissals so you aren't convincing me. My point is that if you want to convince anyone else then you should try and do better.

It's much the same with your last whine about me being a full of hate, stupid, loser, etc. Zero basis except maybe the hate but I don't hate you. I don't like you and I have contempt for you but not hate. There is a difference.

Wild Cobra
10-23-2012, 03:41 AM
If "campaign promises don't mean shit," then why on Earth is Mitt Romney trying to hang President Obama on his campaign promises from 4 years ago?

They either mean something and history rightly assails those who don't fulfill those promises, or they mean nothing and the failure to satisfy those promises is a non-issue.

Which is it?
They mean quite a bit to gullible people on both sides.

Jacob1983
10-23-2012, 03:54 AM
Still blaming Bush? Does Obama ever own up to his mistakes and failures?

boutons_deux
10-23-2012, 04:44 AM
Still blaming Bush? Does Obama ever own up to his mistakes and failures?

the Banksters Great Depression is not Barry's depression.

As I predicted years ago, the Repugs would do nothing for the country (they never do), obstruct everything, and blame the depression, blame everything on Barry and the Dems, as if the damage the Repugs did 2001-2008 would simply evaporate 20 Jan 2009. And the Repug base is dumb enough to believe it. As a button says, "If you repeat a lie enough times, you're a Repug"

Winehole23
10-23-2012, 08:48 AM
Still blaming Bush? Does Obama ever own up to his mistakes and failures?the financial panic of 2008 and it's economic impact wasn't one. guy has a point.

Winehole23
10-23-2012, 08:54 AM
the reliance on idiotic, straight up lies is hardly exclusive to Republicans, but it has been a very notable feature of the opposition since 2009.

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