Horses and Bayonets trending

[Nbadan]

Charge!

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[Nbadan]

Make no mistake about it, Obama was strong from the very moment that he stepped on the stage. However, the difference between a win and a romp in these debates is moments like horses and bayonets. Romney went from the perception that he was a foreign policy lightweight with voters to actually confirming to voters that he is not ready to be Commander in Chief.

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Full article here: http://www.politicususa.com/horses-bayonetsthe-80-seconds-turned-debate-obama-romp.html

[angrydude]

Barry can be as snarky as he wants in the debates but he's going to keep falling behind in the polls because Americans don't want an asshole as President. And liberals will keep wondering why he's behind when all their friends voted for him. And when he wins they'll conclude Romney stole the election.

Besides, the Army uses a shitload of bayonets.

[ElNono]

Barry can be as snarky as he wants in the debates but he's going to keep falling behind in the polls because Americans don't want an asshole as President. And liberals will keep wondering why he's behind when all their friends voted for him. And when he wins they'll conclude Romney stole the election.

Besides, the Army uses a shitload of bayonets.

Actually, I don't know who will win, but should it be Barry, I fully expect the voter fraud card to the used plentifully soon thereafter, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Barry can be as snarky as he wants in the debates but he's going to keep falling behind in the polls because Americans don't want an asshole as President. And liberals will keep wondering why he's behind when all their friends voted for him. And when he wins they'll conclude Romney stole the election.

Besides, the Army uses a shitload of bayonets.Which president in the history of the United States would you not consider an asshole on one level or another?

[Winehole23]

Wm. Henry Harrison, but he hardly had a chance post-election. Certainly was an asshole beforehand, but not as president that I know of.

[angrydude]

Which president in the history of the United States would you not consider an asshole on one level or another?

Who really knows what men are actually like? But with a few notable exceptions (Nixon comes to mind) they didn't show it in public like O has. Hell, O didn't show it in public until recently.

[DarrinS]

Big bird
Binders
Beyonets

[101A]

Big bird
Binders
Beyonets

Barrack Obama

Somebody's focus testing alliteration.

[elbamba]

Besides, the Army uses a shitload of bayonets.

I believe horses were and still are used in Afghanistan by the US military. I got the president's point, but its a bit ironic that in trying to score cheap points about Mitt Romney's lack of knowledge on what our miliatry currently uses he got it so wrong. He should have said cannons and muskets.

[Th'Pusher]

I believe horses were and still are used in Afghanistan by the US military. I got the president's point, but its a bit ironic that in trying to score cheap points about Mitt Romney's lack of knowledge on what our miliatry currently uses he got it so wrong. He should have said cannons and muskets.

Obama said we use fewer horses and bayonets - not that they are not used.

[lebomb]

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[DarrinS]

Barrack Obama

Somebody's focus testing alliteration.

And the beyonet zinger was Biden-esque. Don't know how that will play to independents, but his Base loved it.

[boutons_deux]

the condescending bayonet zinger was justifiably so, Gecko exposed as being in way over his head, so far below Presidential level it's silly. Of course, the Repugs already gave us a similar faker in dubya.

Gecko's ignorance, frat boy con job, slimy sales job, and "I crammed for this but I don't understand a fucking thing" facade is hilarious. Gecko's the Best, the Best, Better Than All The Rest (of the ridiculous Repug primary field. Santorum? Gingrich? :lol )

And of course, he's a serial felony tax evader until he shows the last 10 years of his (obviously campaign-killing) tax returns.

[Hook Dem]

the condescending bayonet zinger was justifiably so, Gecko exposed as being in way over his head, so far below Presidential level it's silly. Of course, the Repugs already gave us a similar faker in dubya.

Gecko's ignorance, frat boy con job, slimy sales job, and "I crammed for this but I don't understand a fucking thing" facade is hilarious. Gecko's the Best, the Best, Better Than All The Rest (of the ridiculous Repug primary field. Santorum? Gingrich? :lol )

And of course, he's a serial felony tax evader until he shows the last 10 years of his (obviously campaign-killing) tax returns.

Translation= I hate republicans! lol

[ChumpDumper]

Who really knows what men are actually like? But with a few notable exceptions (Nixon comes to mind) they didn't show it in public like O has. Hell, O didn't show it in public until recently.I think they all show it in one way or another long before they become presidents. It's not something I count against them.

[Clipper Nation]

Barry can be as snarky as he wants in the debates but he's going to keep falling behind in the polls because Americans don't want an asshole as President. And liberals will keep wondering why he's behind when all their friends voted for him. And when he wins they'll conclude Romney stole the election.

Besides, the Army uses a shitload of bayonets.
Luckily for Barry, an even bigger asshole cheated his way to the GOP nomination...

[TeyshaBlue]

Who really knows what men are actually like? But with a few notable exceptions (Nixon comes to mind) they didn't show it in public like O has. Hell, O didn't show it in public until recently.

LBJ comes to mind.

[RandomGuy]

I believe horses were and still are used in Afghanistan by the US military. I got the president's point, but its a bit ironic that in trying to score cheap points about Mitt Romney's lack of knowledge on what our military currently uses he got it so wrong. He should have said cannons and muskets.

Well put.

I did find it laughable that Romney's apparent understanding of how militaries work as "more stuff is better".

Ask any country who owns or fields T-80's and T-90's if they would be comfortable going 2:1 with US Abrams.

Or, for that matter, going 3:1 with T-72's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting) (see link for fascinating read)

[baseline bum]

Big bird
Binders
Beyonets

:cry light bulbs :cry
:cry dish detergent :cry
:cry Chris Matthews :cry
:cry Romney serious campaign with no details :cry

[TeyshaBlue]

Well put.

I did find it laughable that Romney's apparent understanding of how militaries work as "more stuff is better".

Ask any country who owns or fields T-80's and T-90's if they would be comfortable going 2:1 with US Abrams.

Or, for that matter, going 3:1 with T-72's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting) (see link for fascinating read)

From the link: "With initial support from Captain Mac Haszard’s K Troop, Miller’s tanks destroyed sixteen enemy tanks on that position and then attacked through it."

No way we were going to lose that battle with Capt. Hazard!

It's like the fucking GI Joe's were in charge.:lol

[DarrinS]

Obama's campaign brought to you by the letter "B"


Bimbo
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Big Bird
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Binder
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Bayonets
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Bozo
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[djohn2oo8]

:lol Darrin
:lol Desperate
:lol Dumbass

All sponsored by the letter D

[gameFACE]

I agree bayonetes are used less these days. Nooses, too. Well, except for parts of the south....

[ChumpDumper]

Darrin whines about memes then vomits up a bunch of memes in desperation.

[TeyshaBlue]

Darrin whines about memes then vomits up a bunch of memes in desperation.

Illustrative sarcasm is illustrative.

[MannyIsGod]

I hate NBA Dan's use of buzzwords like trending (especially when its not even done correctly - there's not even a mention of twitter here). It comes off as such hipster douchery.

[Agloco]

I believe horses were and still are used in Afghanistan by the US military. I got the president's point, but its a bit ironic that in trying to score cheap points about Mitt Romney's lack of knowledge on what our miliatry currently uses he got it so wrong. He should have said cannons and muskets.

I'd agree, if only Obama had said we no longer have horses and bayonets. He didn't though.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd agree, if only Obama had said we no longer have horses and bayonets. He didn't though.Republicans are attacking strawmen with bayonets today.
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[cantthinkofanything]

This all seems like some kind of set up to promote Revolution on NBC.
Very Funny.

[DarrinS]

Republicans are attacking strawmen with bayonets today.
http://previews.agefotostock.com/previewimage/bajaage/b6d5846959bb719dbfb13f9ede9bd15b/TST-T11361.jpg

Obama beat the shit out of that strawman last night.

[ChumpDumper]

Obama beat the shit out of that strawman last night.Please explain how this statement was a strawman.

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets."

[mavs>spurs]

Because he deflected on cutting military by bringing up some bs about horses. Obama cut military spending period..regardless of if the money went to boats, horses, planes, etc. The one thing he ever did that I agree with, he should have just owned up to it.

[DarrinS]

Please explain how this statement was a strawman.

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets."

So, you think Obama's bayonet example was accurately representing Romney's argument?

[DarrinS]

And by the way, Obama's condescending remark "'We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them.", really didn't help him at all.

It may have made the MSNBC loons high-five each other, but it came off rather dickish.

[ChumpDumper]

So, you think Obama's bayonet example was accurately representing Romney's argument?Answer my question.

[ChumpDumper]

And by the way, Obama's condescending remark "'We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them.", really didn't help him at all.Obama didn't win your support?

Quelle horreur!

[ChumpDumper]

Because he deflected on cutting military by bringing up some bs about horses. Obama cut military spending period..regardless of if the money went to boats, horses, planes, etc. The one thing he ever did that I agree with, he should have just owned up to it.You didn't explain how it was a strawman.

Not that you were asked, but unprovoked failure is nice to witness as well.

[DarrinS]

Answer my question.

If Romney had said that the military needs more muskets, then you might have a point.

[ChumpDumper]

If Romney had said that the military needs more muskets, then you might have a point.You didn't answer my question.

How was it a strawman?

You really don't know what a strawman is, do you?

[DarrinS]

The Navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission. We're now down to 285.




Maybe Obama should use his horse and bayonet comparison on the CNO.

[DarrinS]

You didn't answer my question.

How was it a strawman?

You really don't know what a strawman is, do you?


It's when you misrepresent your opponent's position.

[ChumpDumper]

It's when you misrepresent your opponent's position.
The size of our Navy is at levels not seen since 1916.
You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916.OK, how was Romney's position misrepresented?

If anything, Obama may have accepted more of a claim than Romney actually made (fewer rather than equal to).

[DarrinS]

Our Navy is smaller now than any time since 1917. The Navy said they needed 313 ships to carry out their mission. We're now down to 285. We're headed down to the - to the low 200s if we go through with sequestration. That's unacceptable to me. I want to make sure that we have the ships that are required by our Navy.

[clambake]

And by the way, Obama's condescending remark "'We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them.", really didn't help him at all.

It may have made the MSNBC loons high-five each other, but it came off rather dickish.

didn't watch the debates, but thats pretty funny.

[ChumpDumper]

So it wasn't misrepresented. It was just a stupid point for Mittens to make in the first place.

Anyone is free to disagree with the Navy as to how many ships it needs, and Obama explained why. Don't get mad because Mittens looked kind of dumb and a meme was born. I'm sure Mittens used that talking point many times in his stump speeches -- too bad for you someone was listening to him and not Chris Matthews.

[clambake]

what branch of the armed services doesn't clamor for more?

[Agloco]

It's when you misrepresent your opponent's position.

Romney was complaining that the number of naval vessels was at their lowest since 1917 (forgot the exact year he brought up....). Obama simply put Romneys comment into the proper context by citing technological advance as one rationale for reduced numbers of ships. He took it back to horses and bayonets to emphasize the point. Well played imo.

People would have you think that he got it wrong because horses and bayonets are still in use. That point is quite irrelevant given the context of Obamas statement though.

There are fewer horses and bayonets in use today due to technological advances just as Obama feels that fewer naval vessels are needed....for the same reason. Whether or not he's right is for another discussion.

[ChumpDumper]

lol
The historical records of the Navy show that in 1916, the Navy had 245 ships....

The current level of ships, 285 in fiscal 2011, is actually not even the lowest since 1916. The historical list shows that the lowest ship force was reached during the Bush administration, when the number of ships fell to 278 in 2007. Given the change over time in the composition of the naval force, that probably is the most relevant comparison — and the trend line is up.http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/romneys-claim-that-the-navy-is-as-small-as-in-1916/2012/10/08/6f47e6d6-1191-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_blog.html

I'm sure the facts will offend Darrin more than mean ol' Barry.

[Agloco]

lol http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/romneys-claim-that-the-navy-is-as-small-as-in-1916/2012/10/08/6f47e6d6-1191-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_blog.html

I'm sure the facts will offend Darrin more than mean ol' Barry.

Mitt wasn't even right, say it ain't so.

[ChumpDumper]

So Mitt and Darrin are actually lucky he wasn't completely destroyed on this point.

[Riddler]

Chump Dumper dumpin the chumps he's supposed to.dump.

[Koolaid_Man]

lol http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/romneys-claim-that-the-navy-is-as-small-as-in-1916/2012/10/08/6f47e6d6-1191-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_blog.html

I'm sure the facts will offend Darrin more than mean ol' Barry.

It's not the facts that offend him you silly sally. :lol its the fact that a black man owned him especially in front of his plastic ass sons. Mitt has never had to endure a black man owning him like this..its quite fascinating

[DarrinS]

didn't watch the debates, but thats pretty funny.

I have to admit, I did laugh at that.

[DarrinS]

lol http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/romneys-claim-that-the-navy-is-as-small-as-in-1916/2012/10/08/6f47e6d6-1191-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_blog.html

I'm sure the facts will offend Darrin more than mean ol' Barry.


Yes, because fact checking this minutiae was really the point.

[DarrinS]

It's kinda why I'm making fun of big bird, binders, and bayonets, but you're smart enough to pick up on that.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, because fact checking this minutiae was really the point.The fact that the number of ships has actually increased is the point you missed entirely.

You aren't smart enough to pick up on that.

[DarrinS]

The fact that the number of ships has actually increased is the point you missed entirely.

You aren't smart enough to pick up on that.

small

[ChumpDumper]

smallI don't need to know about your problems with the ladies.

[DarrinS]

There are fewer horses and bayonets in use today due to technological advances just as Obama feels that fewer naval vessels are needed....for the same reason. Whether or not he's right is for another discussion.


If the Navy says they need fewer ships due to technological advances, then you make a good point.

[ChumpDumper]

If the Navy says they need fewer ships due to technological advances, then you make a good point.If the number of ships had decreased under Obama, Mitt might have had a point.

[DarrinS]

I don't need to know about your problems with the ladies.

Ooh, good one.

[ChumpDumper]

Ooh, good one.Not my fault you can't express yourself properly when u mad.

[Agloco]

If the Navy says they need fewer ships due to technological advances, then Obama made a good point.

Agreed

[DarrinS]

I stand corrected. Obama scored major points with bayonets.

[ChumpDumper]

I stand corrected. Obama scored major points with bayonets.You don't know what a strawman is, but you sure can make them.

[DarrinS]

You don't know what a strawman is, but you sure can make them.

Either someone advised Obama that this was a good strategy, or his real personality is a condescending dick. Is that straw?

[MannyIsGod]

Why is it always bad to be a condescending dick? Sometimes people putting forth stupid arguments deserve nothing more than that. Acting as if the number of warships in naval service compared to some arbitrary number nearly a century old is just fucking stupid. A modern aircraft carrier can do more than nearly the entire navy in 1917 and it sure as hell can project more power than the navy could in 1917. How many ICBMs did they have in 1917, for that matter?

See, when dealing with people like Darrin or Romney sometimes being condescending dick is OK because being a condescending dick is much better than being a blithering dumb ass.

[DarrinS]

Why is it always bad to be a condescending dick? Sometimes people putting forth stupid arguments deserve nothing more than that. Acting as if the number of warships in naval service compared to some arbitrary number nearly a century old is just fucking stupid. A modern aircraft carrier can do more than nearly the entire navy in 1917 and it sure as hell can project more power than the navy could in 1917. How many ICBMs did they have in 1917, for that matter?

See, when dealing with people like Darrin or Romney sometimes being condescending dick is OK because being a condescending dick is much better than being a blithering dumb ass.


If it shifts momentum back to him, maybe it was a good strategy. I have my doubts.

[ChumpDumper]

Either someone advised Obama that this was a good strategy, or his real personality is a condescending dick. Is that straw?:lol Man, you even make strawmen with your own arguments.

[Nbadan]

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[Agloco]

I stand corrected. Obama scored major points with bayonets.

smh. Nevermind.

[boutons_deux]

When Gecko says he will add $Ts to the military, he should be bayoneted.

[ploto]

If it shifts momentum back to him, maybe it was a good strategy. I have my doubts.

I know it played very well with young people that Obama seemed to be more modern and into technology while Romney was stuck a century ago. I think his knocking down the idea that something was so much better a 100 years ago struck a chord with young people who get sick of hearing about things were so much better back in the good old days.

[Drachen]

I hate NBA Dan's use of buzzwords like trending (especially when its not even done correctly - there's not even a mention of twitter here). It comes off as such hipster douchery.

Come one MIG, complaining about misuse of "twitter words" comes off as far more hipster and douchey.