Spurs waive forward Derrick Brown and center Eddy Curry

[ace3g]

Jeff Zillgitt ‏@JeffZillgitt

Spurs waive forward Derrick Brown and center Eddy Curry, per news release from the team.

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CIA Pop with that "we are basically looking at 2 guys - Curry and Brown"? Wesley Witherspoon was always their target? Trade coming up? Spurs never had the intention of filling the 15th spot?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkk

[Darkwaters]

Really? Wow, that's surprising.

[DesignatedT]

haha

[ColinB]

Thread is going to be a classic.

[TE]

:lmao

[timtonymanu]

ROFL Pop trolled us all.

Seriously whats the plan?

[timtonymanu]

More minutes for Matty.

[TE]

More minutes for Matty.
:hungry:

[DisAsTerBot]

is powell still around?

[Spur|n|Austin]

Wow, can honestly say I did not even see that coming. I figured Curry was a sure roster spot; worst case not getting minutes..

[Vic Petro]

Pop was just using these guys to keep Bonner's legs fresh.

[ace3g]

Spoon and Powell are still on the roster, for the time being.

[TE]

is powell still around?

I can just imagine the fuckery if he was to get a roster spot over these two cuts.

smfh :lmao

[Bruno]

Weird move. Curry filled a need for Spurs and I found he showed good things in preseason.

There could be a lot of things behind that move: Spurs making a trade, Spurs keeping only 14 players to have more flexibility, Spurs signing a player cut by another team, Spurs keeping Powell or Witherspoon...

I will wait to see Spurs whole plan before judging. I do hope Spurs plan isn't just to keep Powell over Curry because it would be dumb.

[mexpurs21]

What the fuck ?

[DisAsTerBot]

I can just imagine the fuckery if he was to get a roster spot over these two cuts.

smfh :lmao

seriously... powell over curry is a head scratcher

[TE]

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[spurraider21]

YES. more playing time for Matt Bonner :gpower

[Sa_Spursfan20]

What a bummer.

[xellos88330]

Well, this is the Spurs after all. I am just hoping that there is more to this just for the sake of it making sense.

[monkeypunk]

Booooooo, sssssssssss.....

Wow, they better have a freaking plan, Curry in particular could have played a strong 5-10 minutes a game.

[NASpurs]

Can we subscribe to a thread at Spurstalk? This one is going to be hilarious.

[TE]

Can we subscribe to thread at Spurstalk? This one is going to be hilarious.

go to threadtools at the top of the page, the option should be there.

[TimDunkem]

They're probably waiting on some teams' leftovers. The Spurs will carry 14 players well into the season.

[EJFischer]

Finally. I've been terrified they might actually keep Curry since training camp started. Guy's never had a single good season, and has frequently been among the least efficient players in the league. I couldn't care less how he looked in training camp, the meaningful sample size says he's utterly toxic. Good riddance.

[szkorhetz]

Fuck!
I hated when we signed him, but he showed amazing effort and he filled a missing hole in our team. Now he s released. Fuck, FO. =(
Are we goind after Flynn or Williams?

[baseline bum]

LOL Curry fans; guess RC didn't want to come and touch it after all.

[xellos88330]

Now that I think about it a little bit more, Curry was TERRIBLE in pick and roll defense. Westbrook and Nash would have exposed him pretty quickly. As an offensive weapon I hate to see Curry go, but if the Spurs want to improve defense, I don't think that Curry was the answer.

[NASpurs]

go to threadtools at the top of the page, the option should be there.

:tu

Can't wait for the fallout.

[xellos88330]

I was actually kinda liking what Witherspoon was doing for the Spurs.

[timtonymanu]

Curry was pretty overrated on this board and wouldn't have helped with the defense. Then again, he's still a better option than Matt Bonner.

I guess Pop meant that they were looking at Curry and Brown specifically before they were next to be waived. I will gladly take Witherspoon.

[TimDunkem]

Does anyone really think that the Spurs are going to keep any of these guys? I can see Witherspoon in Austin, but there's not much room for him here.

[Raven]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

[RodNIc91]

shit. bonner getting mins again fml

[loveforthegame]

Why am I not surprised. It was probably the plan all along to leave that spot open.

[superbigtime]

Fuck! I was looking forward to watching this dude knock some skulls around! Now we get to watch Splitter ballet dance through the paint and enjoy another year of Bonner choking. Makes me sick. WTF

[TE]

shit. bonner getting mins again fml
:lmao

[angelbelow]

Kind of surprising, but I think this just means the Spurs will carry 14 players instead of the max.

[TE]

Fuck! I was looking forward to watching this dude knock some skulls around! Now we get to watch Splitter ballet dance through the paint and enjoy another year of Bonner choking. Makes me sick. WTF
:lol

[ace3g]

I wonder if Kenyon Martin is still an option?

[baseline bum]

End of an era; all we can do now is look back on the good times and smile :cry

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:cry The only question now is should the jersey be retired? :cry

[timtonymanu]

^

:lmao

[NASpurs]

:cry The only question now is should the jersey be retired? :cry

It's up there on the Spurstalk rafters along with Gani Lawal and Pops Mensah-Bonsu

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Don't forget James White and Darius Washington.

[baseline bum]

:cry Charles Smith and Derrick Dial :cry

Greg Sutton
Chris Carrawell
Negele Knight
Corey Hightower (:cry how could we trade him to LA? The rich get richer :cry)

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Eddie Curry was terrible. Saw him in person and I couldn't figure out the hype. Curry is Kwame Browne 2.0 or vice versa. I guess because he's tall, Black and athletic and people seem to think he is a godsend.

[timtonymanu]

Don't forget James White and Darius Washington.

James Gist

[sananspursfan21]

wow. those were the two i actually got excited about. everybody else was meh.

[baseline bum]

James Gist

Winner!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fvioszGHpUE/UFH4tdRfwUI/AAAAAAAAAoA/dvupEa9ZLlE/s1600/A+winner+is+you.jpeg

[Bruno]

tbqh, Spurs frontcourt is so damn terrible that I'm not really in the mood to laugh about the player that were hyped and cut. If Spurs don't do something, one of Blair or Bonner will play a major role for Spurs this year. That's scary...

[iManu]

It puts the lotion on its skin.

[jeebus]

Unless they think they can trade for someone later, this is :lol. There's no point in even hoping for a title this season with Bonner/Blair as the first bigs off the bench. Then with Neal as the primary backup PG.....lol.

[rmt]

tbqh, Spurs frontcourt is so damn terrible that I'm not really in the mood to laugh about the player that were hyped and cut. If Spurs don't do something, one of Blair or Bonner will play a major role for Spurs this year. That's scary...

Par for the course. At least now, they have Diaw, and Splitter plays 20 mins. It was laughable before that - after Dice and before Diaw. So the mystery why Bonner hasn't been playing in pre-season is solved - Pop's been saving him for the regular season since even he must know Matty's choke-ness come April.

[Andthentherewas21]

tbqh, Spurs frontcourt is so damn terrible that I'm not really in the mood to laugh about the player that were hyped and cut. If Spurs don't do something, one of Blair or Bonner will play a major role for Spurs this year. That's scary...

Exactly. Curry obviously had his faults, and I don't think anyone was expecting him to be the solution to the Spurs' problems on D. But the alternatives are Bonner and Blair. Or the mystery big that still hasn't been found after 4+ years of searching.

[Juggity]

Why not take the chance with curry? What was there to lose?

The D is already shit. Another shitty defender isn't going hurt the team that much more.

[Texas_Ranger]

new season, same problems.... Blair and Bonner is just fantastic.

[monkeypunk]

Why not take the chance with curry? What was there to lose?

The D is already shit. Another shitty defender isn't going hurt the team that much more.

And if defense was the issue then why cut Brown? I thought his defense was supposed to be his strength?

[NASpurs]

Speaking of shitty players, why is Josh Powell still around?

[Texas_Ranger]

he can probably spread the floor...

[elemento]

WOW that was a surprising move

Nobody saw this coming

CIA POP :lol

Spurs is making a trade ! It's Ginger or Blair leaving

[monkeypunk]

Spurs is making a trade ! It's Ginger or Blair leaving

Please oh please let this be the case...

[SenorSpur]

Despite whatever offensive promise Curry showed, I didn't think it was enough to win over Pop and staff. He was horrible on defense and his rebounding was very suspect for a guy of his size. Still, the offensive talent that he demonstrated was enticing. He'll catch on somewhere else.

Now the Spurs can go back to their normal cast of undersized, underskilled bigs that surround Duncan - all of which are major defensive liabilities. It's sad the Duncan, at his advanced age, is still the best and only true big on this roster. Damn shame.

[RodNIc91]

now it would be a great time for spurs151 to appear and show some inside info :)

[Dingle Barry]

mother of fuck

[elemento]

They only way I am happy after this is :

1 - Bonner or Blair traded

2 - Spurs signing Kenyon Martin

If SA is doing it to to give Powell or Witherspoon the last spot I will be pissed

[SenorSpur]

tbqh, Spurs frontcourt is so damn terrible that I'm not really in the mood to laugh about the player that were hyped and cut. If Spurs don't do something, one of Blair or Bonner will play a major role for Spurs this year. That's scary...

That IS the scary part. The Spurs enter yet another season, with nothing else to surround Duncan on the frontline. Does anyone think that Bonner is suddenly going to grow some stones and demonstrate some defensive prowess? Does anyone think that Blair will undergo a growth spurt? Can he be counted on the keep himself in shape through the season? Does anyone think that Splitter will suddenly remain healthy for the entire season? Or that he will solve his mental woes at the FT line? Does anyone believe that Diaw will suddenly become an aggressive player, rather than a passive one?

It's really discouraging.

[KL2]

Eddie Curry was terrible. Saw him in person and I couldn't figure out the hype. Curry is Kwame Browne 2.0 or vice versa. I guess because he's tall, Black and athletic and people seem to think he is a godsend.


He actually had a post game, that's why we wanted him. Aside of Duncan there isn't another player that can consistently post up and score, not Splitter (lol), Blair, Bonner, or even Diaw. I really doubt TD will be able to do what he did last season, having another low post scorer to help take the load off him would help tremendously. Curry looked very impressive on offense, especially against a guy like Asik who is one of the best defenders in the NBA, his size made him extremely hard to guard.


Now we're stuck with backup bigs that are just as bad as Curry on defense, if not worse, and that have no post game.

[Frenchie]

This move is surprising but I think that the front office has plans...

Kenyon Martin is a player Pop likes. If he accepts to sign for the minimum salary, San Antonio could be one of his (or the) best options. He could have minutes and still play for a championship contender. I don't think that a team could offer the same advantages than the Spurs...

And even if the Spurs are keeping the same frontcourt as last season, they can still be one of the greatest teams in the NBA. Starting this season with this frontcourt could be enough to look at opportunities before the trade deadline without have troubles in the playoffs race.

I just wish that Powell won't be kept...

[baseline bum]

Unless they think they can trade for someone later, this is :lol. There's no point in even hoping for a title this season unless Tim Duncan can become six years younger.....lol.

fify

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

They only way I am happy after this is :

1 - Bonner or Blair traded

2 - Spurs signing Kenyon Martin

If SA is doing it to to give Powell or Witherspoon the last spot I will be pissed
This is exactly what i was thinking.

[spursince#99]

IF we don't make a trade behind this or ... trade Blair and Bonner behind this, I might just kill somebody. SERIOUSLY. Man FUCK bruh, it's like we're complacent with having these crackheads on the team just because they come with a cheap contract. WAKE THE FUCK UP FO!!!. The Lakers just got Howard you retarded sons of bitches.

[spursince#99]

KENYON MARTIN CAN'T FUCKING HOLD DWIGHT HOWARD!!!

[KL2]

It's up there on the Spurstalk rafters along with Gani Lawal and Pops Mensah-Bonsu


Tbh, who knows how those players could've done if they were actually given a chance to play on a consistent basis with the Spurs, just look at Green, without Neal having surgery or Manu getting his hand broken this guy is probably playing in the d league right now and would've joined this list of those players.

[Frenchie]

Pops Mensah Bonsu has played very well in Europe... He could have been a good move if he was given a chance.

[Dex]

Fuck.

Spurs FO:
http://i.imgur.com/Duyw2.gif

I'm going to go ahead and just take the pessimistic approach: Spurs will count on either Bonner or Blair, get bullied inside again, and then look around wondering what the hell happened.

[KL2]

Also I think the chances of Blair+Jack+Neal getting packaged and traded is really high. The Spurs kept Powell for a reason, he could easily replace Blair if he is consistent, especially with that midrange jumper. Jack wants a contract extension and is a FA this year his expiring contract will be attractive, Neal has done a poor job at PG and should only play SG, where you've got Manu/De Colo. PG is pretty stacked with Mills, Cojo, Manu, and De Colo, the SG and PG positions are pretty much interchangeable, I remember seeing Mills/Parker on the floor at the same time even Cojo at SG.

Kawhi's minutes should increase as well, Witherspoon could also turn into a serviceable player leaving little time for Jack. I wouldn't be surprised if these guys all got traded for a big, it just makes too much sense.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol the people scoffing Curry or mocking the preseason hype are missing the point..

Curry's flaws are glaring, he doesn't play any defense whatsoever..in case these people haven't noticed, neither do Matt Bonner and DeJuan Blair..

Curry is a proven post scorer, that has never been an issue for him..his problem has always been health and conditioning..the Spurs only have 1 effective post scorer on the roster..

This doesn't make any sense to me..Curry was a long shot to contribute during the regular season, but at this point, the Spurs need to take risks..

Splitter hasn't shown any improvements..Blair looks better, but he's still a 6'7 big man with low IQ..Diaw will never possess a killer instinct..Bonner is Bonner..I would have imagined that the Spurs would have been willing to take a risk on Curry, considering the shape of this frontcourt..

I'd be surprised if the Spurs make a move..it appears that they're banking on Kawhi making a leap and Danny Green growing some balls..

[Dex]

I can't wait to see the first time either Bonner and/or Blair try to defend Gasol/Howard.

Even with Duncan in, that is just going to leave the other big to go fucking bananas.

[CGD]

Shocking. Probably means they needed the practice bodies, and Spurs will stay at 14 spots. Here's hoping for a small trade to upgrade Blair/Bonner.

[timvp]

Damn. Eddy Curry was nothing more than a shot in the dark at this stage of his career but it's not like the Spurs have many sure things in their frontcourt. Beyond Duncan literally no other bigman can be counted on not to meltdown one way or another. Having the Curry shot in the dark would have at least gave some added hope -- even if the hope was misguided.

I'm glad the Spurs got rid of Brown. There just wasn't enough skill there to make it on this version of the Spurs. Today, they need more than one-trick ponies (although, honestly, I'm not even sure what Brown's trick was).

Keeping Powell would be a HORRIBLE move. I know I've said it repeatedly but Powell is even worse than a bad player. He's the type of player who has just enough promise to earn minutes but then will ultimately make your team a lot worse. He's toxic and the Spurs need to get rid of him ASAP.

If we were judging Witherspoon just on what he saw in training camp, he looks like he would have been a legit second round draft pick. He has the body of an NBA player and intriguing skills to go with it. That said, he was a massive disappointment in his last two years on Memphis. Can the sixth leading scorer on Memphis really make it in the NBA? That's pretty damn doubtful. I don't know of an eventual NBA player who did so little in his last two years of college, especially when he showed a lot of promise as a sophomore. I hope he ends up in Austin, that'd be great. More than that? That's questionable since the Spurs have legit needs elsewhere and he'd be using a roster spot that could make the team deeper and increase the odds of success today.

[KL2]

Diaw actually did a great job against Gasol last year, he gave him all sorts of problems and forced him into tough shots, however there is nobody that can stop Howard.

[TD 21]

I knew all along that they weren't going to put Curry on the team (I only somewhat relented a few days ago because Pop said they were looking at Curry and Brown and with him saying the week before that Brown's best position was PF, I presumed that was the final nail in his coffin).

Powell was the one who never made sense to begin with, so naturally he's the last one standing. Not that it'll be for long, though. They'll probably waive him in short order and go with 14.

Quite the conundrum for Spurs fans. More than likely, their only chance to win the West is to get the 1st seed, yet if they're cruising along and poised to do so by the deadline, the odds of them making a trade probably won't be as good as they otherwise would. I'd like to think the front office is intelligent enough to not be fooled by regular season dominance again, but unfortunately I can't say with any confidence that are I think they are.

[Ditty]

We were going to be medicore again this season anyways. Can't wait until we start rebuilding finally.

[++SaiNt TiAg0++]

well fuck a doodle dooooo i like everyone else am confused at this time but this year i realized wait a minute... im pissed at who we let go and dont every year because it always involves dumping the 7fters and keeping or picking up more guards... im sure pop will sign a back up shooting guard instead lol we need alot more than martin to contend with the lake show but if our players just woke up (Tiago / leonard ) in particular we need them to play 100% in order to be in this thing.

[lcroock]

Small Ball here we come again!!!!!!!!! GO SPURS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

KENYON MARTIN CAN'T FUCKING HOLD DWIGHT HOWARD!!!:lol And you think Curry can?

[Malik Hairston]

That's part of the problem, tbh..

There are only a few players in the NBA that can handle Howard, the Spurs aren't acquiring one of these players..

Their best option is having post players that can attack him..Curry is a long shot, but at least he possesses a post game, and his career offense vs. Howard is 19 PPG on 66% shooting..

[swaggerjackson]

I don't know I wanted Curry on the roster too, but I was also thinking that his defense and rebounding would improve. Effort goes a long way in those aspects and this is the first time we have seen effort out of Curry. But having an open spot saves money and maintains roster flexibility. They may not have a trade in mind immediately but if one arises then you don't have release a player and pay his salary the rest of the season. Maybe they just want to leave things open to leave things open. Don't get me wrong I would love it if they signed K-mart or made some sort of trade jettisoning Blair/Neal. But I am not getting my hopes up.

Also I don't think Curry was ever going to be a Howard stopper. Howard is an amazing player but the best bet is to beat him down the floor and pick him up early. This ensures he want just run directly under the basket. If you can make him work for his points he is not devastating Force him to shoot which he doesn't do extremely well, and make him use his back to the basket moves outside the paint. And I recognize that this plan doesn't hold Dwight to 6 points a game, but it does make it highly unlike he gets 50. On both sides of the court he needs to be forced away from the basket, and Curry can't do that on either end.

[szkorhetz]

:lol And you think Curry can?
At least he is a bigger body then Blair+Bonner combined.

[Ice009]

That's part of the problem, tbh..

There are only a few players in the NBA that can handle Howard, the Spurs aren't acquiring one of these players..

Their best option is having post players that can attack him..Curry is a long shot, but at least he possesses a post game, and his career offense vs. Howard is 19 PPG on 66% shooting..

I was going to say he can get Howard in foul trouble, I didn't need to see those offensive numbers. What the fuck are the Spurs doing?

How can you throw away someone who would be a 15th man with that kind of post offense?

[DesignatedT]

Get the 1 seed, Let OKC knock out LAL.

Howard problem solved.

[Frenchie]

Get the 1 seed, Let OKC knock out LAL.

Howard problem solved.
Definitely the best plan... The current roster can get the first seed. That's why I'm not so worried right now.

And Eddy Curry is not a top center in the NBA. Some people there are reacting as the Spurs have released Dwight Howard. I think we can get a better opportunity during the season.

[szkorhetz]

Get the 1 seed, Let OKC knock out LAL.

Howard problem solved.
Then OKC kicks our ass, like last year. Good plan.

[mingus]

There seemed like little risk involved in keeping Curry. They were not going to have to sign him to a big contract. I think he could have easily worked out as our third big if he got into season shape. Guess we will all be subjected to watching the Red Choker log a bunch of minutes. Again.

[Thomas82]

I just knew we would keep Eddy Curry.....this move is a shocker, but Pop and the front office might have something up their sleeves.

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

Well motherfucker. Damn. Really wanted Curry to make it.

Is it that hard for the FO to look at the past two years in particular and see what the Spurs problem is? It's the fucking CENTER AND POWER FORWARD SPOTS. Have they already forgotten the Memphis series? I've always been easy on Splitter/Blair/Bonner, but fuck I'm not looking forward to seeing them fumble around and fuck up another season.

Yeah, great, we got rid of poison like RJ but we keep poison like Bonner? That guy is exactly like RJ poison. Jackson and someone like Curry may be considered another vein of poison, but those types of guys are sometimes good to have on your team in small doses. Pop tends to be able to extract great things from players like Jackson, and he can control him.

Why would you not just give Curry a chance?

[justinandimcool]

Someone who fills a need, has a chip on his shoulder, and actually WANTS to be on this team.

Probably too tall.

Fuck Pop.

[rmt]

That's part of the problem, tbh..

There are only a few players in the NBA that can handle Howard, the Spurs aren't acquiring one of these players..

Their best option is having post players that can attack him..Curry is a long shot, but at least he possesses a post game, and his career offense vs. Howard is 19 PPG on 66% shooting..

Exactly, he can keep Howard OCCUPIED so DH doesn't roam all over the place blocking shots. And he's got some weight on him so he can lean on him on defense (DH doesn't have the post moves that Bynum has). What's Bonner and Blair going to do? They'll just let Bonner choke away at the 3 pt line and shoot over/block Blair. Just sad, Duncan should have some help in his twilight years, not playing more minutes against the likes of Howard and Gasol.

[Trill Clinton]

good riddens to them both.

curry is a big stiff and brown can only run up and down the court.

only way this could be better is if Bonner got waived too.

[DesignatedT]

Then OKC kicks our ass, like last year. Good plan.

I was just fucking around but last year was far from an ass beating. Like Eddy Curry would have been the difference maker last year in the WCF :lol

Some people are ridiculous. Go back and read the thread the day we sign Eddy Curry, everybody was shitting all over him :lol

[jermaine]

I watched the Heat gm an Currys defense sucks. He dont even try on a p&r.

[benefactor]

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/cruz_roja_melting20man.jpg

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

At least he is a bigger body then Blair+Bonner combined.alot slower too.

[monkeypunk]

I was just fucking around but last year was far from an ass beating. Like Eddy Curry would have been the difference maker last year in the WCF :lol


No, Splitter hitting his free throws would have been the difference in that series.

[Libri]

Bonner will retire as a Spur.

[objective]

It's disappointing. Curry looked better than I thought possible and is a real NBA player now that he's slimmed down. People make fun of Kwame Brown but Kwame has been in demand in his career and has made a nice living as a limited skills role playing bust. Curry could and should have a role in this league.

Not surprising though. Adding another big man who could play . . . it wouldn't be fair to Matt Bonner.

Still though, what's the ultimate result? With or without Curry, the Spurs are frauds compared to a healthy Lakers team and have too many choke-tastic players to even beat OKC.

Best the Spurs can do is make it to the WCF.

[SayTown]

Bonner is due in the playoffs, he can't be bad in the playoffs 7 years in a row can he?

[dbestpro]

Spurs keep Powell so fans will hate his play more than turd towers.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Let's wait and see if anything else is on the radar. But if there's no other plan in place, yikes...I can't see a better 15th man than Curry.

[CaptainLate]

Someone who fills a need, has a chip on his shoulder, and actually WANTS to be on this team.

Probably too tall.

Fuck Pop.

What do you expect from a CIA op who supports a socialist....and Romney is no better.

[Sean Cagney]

Bonner will retire as a Spur.
SHIT TO HELL.......... I hate that dude lol.
Bonner is due in the playoffs, he can't be bad in the playoffs 7 years in a row can he?
YES he can........ He get scared the month before the playoffs infact, check the stats.

[SenorSpur]

:lol the people scoffing Curry or mocking the preseason hype are missing the point..

Curry's flaws are glaring, he doesn't play any defense whatsoever..in case these people haven't noticed, neither do Matt Bonner and DeJuan Blair..

Curry is a proven post scorer, that has never been an issue for him..his problem has always been health and conditioning..the Spurs only have 1 effective post scorer on the roster..

This doesn't make any sense to me..Curry was a long shot to contribute during the regular season, but at this point, the Spurs need to take risks..

Splitter hasn't shown any improvements..Blair looks better, but he's still a 6'7 big man with low IQ..Diaw will never possess a killer instinct..Bonner is Bonner..I would have imagined that the Spurs would have been willing to take a risk on Curry, considering the shape of this frontcourt..

I'd be surprised if the Spurs make a move..it appears that they're banking on Kawhi making a leap and Danny Green growing some balls..

Great points. As a matter of fact, to say that Curry didn't measure up defensively, when you're keeping the likes of Bonner and Blair around is a bit laughable. There's no question that Curry had many warts, but his offensive prowess in the paint was truly something the Spurs have very little of.

[easy7]

Damn, here comes the 5 year Bonner extension....

[jesterbobman]

While everyone is panicking, please realize that our bench regularly destroyed teams last year, as the Splitter-Bonner pairing is really good for bench players. They have weaknesses, but we're not getting perfect players for 4 million a year. To have a shot at a title, we probably have to make a move for a good defensive big(Varejao?), and doing that requires expiring contracts. If we ship out that big expiring contract, We'll have only Kawhi as a SF. Having someone here for the season learning the system seems like a good idea.

[SenorSpur]

Well motherfucker. Damn. Really wanted Curry to make it.

Is it that hard for the FO to look at the past two years in particular and see what the Spurs problem is? It's the fucking CENTER AND POWER FORWARD SPOTS. Have they already forgotten the Memphis series? I've always been easy on Splitter/Blair/Bonner, but fuck I'm not looking forward to seeing them fumble around and fuck up another season.

Yeah, great, we got rid of poison like RJ but we keep poison like Bonner? That guy is exactly like RJ poison. Jackson and someone like Curry may be considered another vein of poison, but those types of guys are sometimes good to have on your team in small doses. Pop tends to be able to extract great things from players like Jackson, and he can control him.

Why would you not just give Curry a chance?

Can't figure it out either. I only saw 2 preseason games, but what was clear to me about Curry was that he was and still is a very gifted post scorer, despite his obvious other flaws. The way Curry was abusing Rockets starting center, Asik, was cruel. I'm not surprised Curry didn't make the cut, but it's a bit hypocritical of Pop to judge Curry on his flaws, when Blair and Bonner have seemingly some of those same flaws, with far worse offensive games. The fact that both Blair and Bonner cannot muster minutes in a key playoff series indicates that they are both simply eating up roster spots.

With a very stacked Western conference, that now features Dwight Howard and Javele McGee, the Spurs STILL have no answers for the Thunder and Fakers. They can only hope for 3rd - and in the end it will not matter anyway.

[racm]

I see the following can happen:

Spurs keep Witherspoon as 15th man;

One of Bonner/Blair is shipped out with Jax for a big (like Varejao) at the deadline (which is when the Turd Towers' value is at a high)

the SF rotation becomes Leonard/'Spoon and since KL's young there's no reason to limit his minutes.

Of course Pop may vindicate all the GNSF logic and play Bonbon major minutes against OKC ITT :lmao

[BackHome]

I am going to wait before I go off on Pop and RC....but if this stand ..OMG....

[racm]

Can't figure it out either. I only saw 2 preseason games, but what was clear to me about Curry was that he was and still is a very gifted post scorer, despite his obvious other flaws. The way Curry was abusing Rockets starting center, Asik, was cruel. I'm not surprised Curry didn't make the cut, but it's a bit hypocritical of Pop to judge Curry on his flaws, when Blair and Bonner have seemingly some of those same flaws, with far worse offensive games. The fact that both Blair and Bonner cannot muster minutes in a key playoff series indicates that they are both simply eating up roster spots.

With a very stacked Western conference, that now features Dwight Howard and Javele McGee, the Spurs STILL have no answers for the Thunder and Fakers. They can only hope for 3rd - and in the end it will not matter anyway.

The Spurs only play those two teams a combined total of 7 times before the playoffs. If anything it's the Spurs feasting on the bottom feeders and the Eastern Conference that will help them gain a seed that prevents them from facing either in the WCF.

The Spurs' roster is built to take on the regular season. Power rankings != season record.

[RodNIc91]

^ and his legs are still a young 29 years old

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

The Spurs only play those two teams a combined total of 7 times before the playoffs. If anything it's the Spurs feasting on the bottom feeders and the Eastern Conference that will help them gain a seed that prevents them from facing either in the WCF.

The Spurs' roster is built to take on the regular season. Power rankings != season record.

Motherfucker this isn't about the regular season record and how many times we play the Lakers and Thunder during it. This is (or at least it should be) about winning a fucking CHAMPIONSHIP. We already know Bonner is going to hit threes during the RS and people will act like giddy little children in the game threads when he hits 5 threes in a row and then they will tell themselves "This season is different! I love Bonner!"

Don't kid anyone by saying that we will be able to escape through the playoffs without facing one of those two teams.

[racm]

Motherfucker this isn't about the regular season record and how many times we play the Lakers and Thunder during it. This is (or at least it should be) about winning a fucking CHAMPIONSHIP. We already know Bonner is going to hit threes during the RS and people will act like giddy little children in the game threads when he hits 5 threes in a row and then they will tell themselves "This season is different! I love Bonner!"

Don't kid anyone by saying that we will be able to escape through the playoffs without facing one of those two teams.

And tell me why you want Tim to ring again. Is it to further cement his status as all-time great (no question about it). Is it to prove that the Spurs have a successful model for making small market teams a long-term contender?

Or is it also so that we can talk smack to the Kobe stans whose arguments inevitably end up with "COUNT DA RINGZZZZZ"?

[sinok]

Not like either Curry or Brown would have been a championship cornerstone.
Neither a cornergravel.
#overreacting

[Vic Petro]

We were going to be mediocre again this season anyways. Can't wait until we start rebuilding finally.

:wow perhaps we have a different definition of mediocre...

[racm]

People: Mediocre is going 41-41 and the 14th pick in the draft.

[TE]

And tell me why you want Tim to ring again. Is it to further cement his status as all-time great (no question about it). Is it to prove that the Spurs have a successful model for making small market teams a long-term contender?

Or is it also so that we can talk smack to the Kobe stans whose arguments inevitably end up with "COUNT DA RINGZZZZZ"?


Stupid post tbh.

[spursince#99]

VAREJAO??? OMFG

[spurraider21]

Guys, guys. Tiago's got this:downspin:

[Chinook]

It may be worth noting that Splitter played pretty well last game. I think that had he continued to sit out or look ineffective, then Curry may have been kept for a while longer. A healthy Splitter means no minutes for Curry. If he's not playing Curry really isn't worth the spot.

[SpurPadre]

Unless that red-headed piece of shit is traded and that's the reason Curry was waived, I'm now convinced the fucker has something on Pop that gives the team no choice but to keep him on the roster to the expense of others.

[callo1]

Speechless....Brown I expected, but Curry was a big that gave the Spurs something special on offense.

They better have something brewing, or this gets idiotic real quick.

[Russo21]

Suppose in the front office's eyes the Spurs definition of a good big is a 6'10" Ginger who can't rebound, play defense or play on the inside and is a perinnial playoff choker and a 6'4" Grizzly Blair. Stupid decision. If the front office doesn't have something in mind then the decision is even more fucked. Suppose 7'0" 350+lbs is too big for the Spurs to want around. Especially as people that size grow on trees and we have plenty of choices.

[ElNono]

Well, I had a gorgeous day, just came back from having dinner with the wife celebrating our wedding anniversary. Not going to let this ruin it.














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What the *FUCK* are they drinking down there? This is absolute bullshit

Blair will be a fat fuck in no time because he's a mental midget. He's also a midget physically. Maybe they're thinking he'll do a good job tickling Howard's balls while trying to grab a rebound.
Bonner is done. Fucker was done 3 years ago, and what do these geniuses do? They double down on the motherfucker. And what does the motherfucker do? He doubles down on the choking.
Splitter is a little girl. I can't help noticing the hilarity that ensues after one of his effeminate attempts at an elbow-hook-shot. And don't get me started on missing games with a broken nail.

So that leave us with Duncan (I love you Tim, but you're old and worn out) and Diaw (soft, at the level the Spurs want to compete at, he's at best a reserve).

So this is bullshit. And I'm not talking about Brown who didn't do diddly squat to earn a spot. I'm talking about Curry who has legitimate size and at least showed a semblance of being motivated.

And sure, Curry could've ended up being a turd after getting paid. But we're already looking at well known shit, so if he would've played half-interested, it would've likely been an upgrade anyways.

We should've seen this coming after they massively overachieved last season and got lucky with the seeding and injuries. It's 2008 all over again. And don't even get me started with the "we need to play better defense" lip service. It's all bullshit. BULLSHIT.

Goddamn where is my asthma inhaler?

[ElNono]

:lol

[Russo21]

Maybe Holt was unable to afford to feed Eddy

[Russ]

Looks like even desperate measures get abandoned in desperation.

Curry might have helped IMO.

[benefactor]

Quality meltdown tbh. :tu

[MI21]

Disappointing.

While the odds that Curry could have contributed meaningfully to a championship team are low, there was still the chance. Plus he could eat a few minutes against weaker teams to allow Timmy to rest a bit more. Would anybody here have had a problem with Timmy sitting out games against Charlotte while Curry scores 15 in 30 minutes... He also gave the Spurs a skill they basically don't have in the post. He was intriguing and I'm disappointed the Spurs have gone another way.

[TE]

Tuesday brought my first experience with the man message board denizens and radio talk show hosts have dubbed “CIA Pop” – AKA, the Spurs’ Machiavellian head coach, Gregg Popovich.


http://mobile.mysa.com/mysa/db_41315/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=RmPOASlH

This dude must lurk on spurstalk.

[therealtruth]

And if defense was the issue then why cut Brown? I thought his defense was supposed to be his strength?

Can't spread the floor. That's why Powell still has a chance. For all Pop's talk about defense he's going the wrong way. It's easy to see Brown's possible defensive impact. And even though Curry isn't a good rebounder or great defender his ability to score in the post would allow us more time to set our defense on the other hand. That doesn't happen when we're missing jumpshots.

[crc21209]

Well, I'm pretty damn dissapointed. Yeah Curry isnt exactly a big piece to a championship, but he would've been a nice quality 4th/5th big with 6 fouls to give and bang around with Dwight Howard. We CAN NOT go through another full season with Bonner and Blair as the 3rd and 4th bigs on the team. :td

[kobexxx]

why not trade kawhi leonard for a future point guard

[NZ Spurs]

It was pretty telling when Pop said Curry has struggled to play when tired.

[therealtruth]

Bonner is due in the playoffs, he can't be bad in the playoffs 7 years in a row can he?

It's not worth finding out.

[DesignatedT]

So far I've gathered that our roster is full of old, worn out, fat, soft players who are shit and have 0 percent at a championship.

/thread

/spurstalk

[silverblackfan]

Color me surprised too. I thought, like everyone, that Curry would be useful for the fouls and size alone. Brown... Not so much.
Will splitter finally come into his own this year?
Will we all be yelling at our TVs when Bonner enters the games in April & May?
Time will tell.

[timtonymanu]

Well, I had a gorgeous day, just came back from having dinner with the wife celebrating our wedding anniversary. Not going to let this ruin it.














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What the *FUCK* are they drinking down there? This is absolute bullshit

Blair will be a fat fuck in no time because he's a mental midget. He's also a midget physically. Maybe they're thinking he'll do a good job tickling Howard's balls while trying to grab a rebound.
Bonner is done. Fucker was done 3 years ago, and what do these geniuses do? They double down on the motherfucker. And what does the motherfucker do? He doubles down on the choking.
Splitter is a little girl. I can't help noticing the hilarity that ensues after one of his effeminate attempts at an elbow-hook-shot. And don't get me started on missing games with a broken nail.

So that leave us with Duncan (I love you Tim, but you're old and worn out) and Diaw (soft, at the level the Spurs want to compete at, he's at best a reserve).

So this is bullshit. And I'm not talking about Brown who didn't do diddly squat to earn a spot. I'm talking about Curry who has legitimate size and at least showed a semblance of being motivated.

And sure, Curry could've ended up being a turd after getting paid. But we're already looking at well known shit, so if he would've played half-interested, it would've likely been an upgrade anyways.

We should've seen this coming after they massively overachieved last season and got lucky with the seeding and injuries. It's 2008 all over again. And don't even get me started with the "we need to play better defense" lip service. It's all bullshit. BULLSHIT.

Goddamn where is my asthma inhaler?

Classic post, tbh.

[NRHector]

oh well is just another Deja vue

[RodNIc91]

I still cant beleve this shit. Elnonos post just pissed me off even more. I will laugh (cry) when they trade for another midget. Millsap comes to my mind for instance

[Spur|n|Austin]

Bonner is due in the playoffs, he can't be bad in the playoffs 7 years in a row can he?

Best first post ever?

[HI-FI]

this is disheartening news but i'm gonna hold off on getting angry until I see what we are like after the trade deadline. if we end up looking like the same team heading into the playoffs, guess i'll be prepared for the letdown.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

wow I actually thought curry was gonna make the team tbh seemed like he was having fun with the team too. :lol CIA pop got curry and brown's hopes up thinking they had a good shot to make the team only for pop to shit all over them and cut them both. :lol pop trolled teh fuck out of them

[ElNono]

:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun: madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:m adrun:madrun

[Duncan2177]

Spurs thinking Blair and Bonner can defend Howard and Gasol. :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant wait for another season that went down the drain

[DrSteffo]

Dont worry guys we still have the rights to the savior Ryan Richards. Nevermind he cannot make it in Europe and basically sucks.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'd like to think the front office is intelligent enough to not be fooled by regular season dominance again, but unfortunately I can't say with any confidence that are I think they are.

If only the FO were as intelligent as posters on Spurstalk :lol

[dylankerouac]

Since the team is an offensive juggernaut when rolling on all cylinders I thought that would make Curry a natural fit, especially when role-players hit a dry spell and/or Tony needs some breathing room in the lane. Are any defensive specialists going to be found for the minimum? I am pretty sure the answer to this question is no. So what is the front office thinking?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Since the team is an offensive juggernaut when rolling on all cylinders I thought that would make Curry a natural fit, especially when role-players hit a dry spell and/or Tony needs some breathing room in the lane. Are any defensive specialists going to be found for the minimum? I am pretty sure the answer to this question is no. So what is the front office thinking?

That the 2 or so minutes left behind Duncan and Splitter at the center position are not worth losing the flexibility of having a roster spot open?

[temujin]

At first sight, this does look like a surprising move, as Currie did play very well -offensively at least- in the short stints he's played, and would look to the casual fan as an obvious upgrade over Bonner and Blair.
However, Currie was suspected to have hypertrophic cardiopathy back with the Bulls, asked to take DNA tests by the top expert of this condition -Barry Manon- and refused. Without those tests, one will never know for sure.
He has been cleared to play by other cardiologists, but the question mark remains.
Maybe the Spurs simply didn't want to take the risk with Currie.

[dylankerouac]

Well, then Pop is showing tremendous faith in Tiago and the team should hope that Tiago can deliver for the entirety of the season - then again, everyone will be expected and need to deliver their goods for a chance at a ring.

Since Bonner and Blair are useless to the team and Pop (respectively) during the playoffs I imagine this means Boris and Jack at the 4 with Kawhi taking most of the minutes at the three, his main backup tbd though Green and Manu are obvious options.

Then there is the option of Kenyon Martin as some people have suggested.

Oh well, here we go.

[ElNono]

That the 2 or so minutes left behind Duncan and Splitter at the center position are not worth losing the flexibility of having a roster spot open?

You mean the 2 minutes + 20 minutes Splitter can't play because he either has a sore earlobe or because he can't make a free throw to save his life?

[Arcadian]

The Spurs need a big presence inside...a 7-footer, regardless of skills, is valuable in the NBA.

[Bruno]

I don't want to talk for other posters but the main reason why we are disappointed isn't necessarily because we thought Curry would be some kind of savior, it's more that Spurs enter this season with the same bigmen than last year while they got exposed in that area during the playoffs.

[Baseline]

I wish we had kept Curry as well. Beleive me, I don't always understand or agree with Pop's personnel moves, but my only explanation for what seems like a nonsensical dismissal is that Pop feels that our mid-to-late season additions last year (namely Diaz and Jack) make us a much stronger team going into this season than we were at this point last year. Admittedly, that's true.

Jack is a huge upgrade over RJ, and Diaz is a serviceable big, especially in the Spurs' new hyped up offense. I'd much rather see Diaw on the court than Bonner, and thankfully Pop played him with Tim in the playoffs, despite not "knowing the system." Kawhi was an unknown commodity going into last season, and played way better than any of us thought he would for a rookie. Also, going into last season, Pop had no confidence in Splitter at all, and rarely played him in his first year. But to our mild surprise, Tiago played pretty well last year. Yes, he's not the most skilled offensive big, but he's solid, and he does fine in our system. So my point is that Pop must feel comfortable having a team that goes 11 deep or so, and a training camp where Diaw and Jack can learn the system, so he's standing pat. Meaning, he may deem it too risky to bring in a new guy like Curry who has tremendous size, but a spotty resume and possibly a bad ticker. To me, Josh powell is actually okay as a "last big off the bench." But frankly, he plays with a lot of energy, especially on the offensive glass, so I'd play him ahead of Bonner.

All that said, is Tiago going to get destroyed by Dwight? Yes, and so will the rest of our bigs, who are either old, slow, undersized, or all of the above. That's why none of us can understand Curry's dismissal. I sincerely hope it doesn't come back to bite us. Sometimes I think Pop feels that another Robert Horry (a weak-side shot blocker who can defend the post and hit threes) is going to walk through the door.

[baseline bum]

I remember timvp's writeup of the first preseason game when he said Curry got so tired he asked out of the game only a few minutes in. Had he developed NBA endurance in the couple of weeks since then? Or did he get injured? (why'd he miss the Orlando game?) The guy has to be an NBA level athlete, and a guy with a heart problem who had to ask out of a preseason game after a few minutes just doesn't sound like that. I can't believe people are getting so worked up over Eddy freaking Curry. I hate Bonner too, but shit, even I'm not enough of a Bonner hater to think Curry is some kind of upgrade.

[benefactor]

I can't believe people are getting so worked up over Eddy freaking Curry.
Yes you can.

[mountainballer]

so Spurs don't keep Curry. well, FO must be totally incompetent to do so.
wait.
Spurs had the by far best offense of the league last season, right?
and they bring back the same staff, that was responsible for this offensive qualities.
and they plan to improve the defense, they said.
so why do they bring in a player, who exclusively offers offense? and then waive him.
hmmmmm
oh, it's not called preseason championship, it's called training camp.
and what do you need to improve the defense of your regular player during camp?
right, you need some quality offensive player to work with them.
and at the end of the camp, you don't need this player any longer.
makes sense? naaaahhh. Pop/RC are idiots.

[DanAu]

A very good point, everyone focusses on Curry's use for the team in the offence, but who knows, they may just have been using him to develop a serviceable strategy to target dwight and other bigs. Was last years post season failure put primarily down to a failure to close down a dominating paint player? Or was it an offensive failure (green, bonner)? I know my big fat red answer.

So with the core group with another year under the belt, another pre-season learning the system, a pre-season trying to defensively work on their weakness (defending bigs aka using Curry for all he's worth and discarding him) and then potential to strengthen that gap at some point by dominating the regular season and upping the stakes of our trade bait and exploring EXACTLY what is needed after some regular season rotations. Is there any need to panic?

I don't think so. Excellent use of a big in training camp that was the exact type of player that defence needs to learn to shut down, nicely played FO, I look forward to the next move.

[TheChillFactor]

Think of it this way, this saves us all from having blue balls all year for Curry who rides the pine as Bonner gets pwned over and over and over and over and over....

[elemento]

Yeah, the Spurs have the best offense in the RS. But when you have Matt Bonner getting 20 minutes per game in the regular season and your offense depends on him hitting 3-pointers in the playoffs, you're in trouble.
Nobody thought Curry would be a defensive presence, but he offers something that only 1 player in SA offers (low-post offense). A low-post player would be welcome when your PG starts to struggle in a P&R switch, when your starting SG shoots 25%FG and 17% from deep or when your stretch BIG chokes for the 6th time in a row in the playoffs shooting 14% 3p.
If Curry was a P&R BIG, I would totally agree with you that makes zero sense to keep a big that only offers that kind of offense and no defense. The difference is the kind of offense Curry offers.
And seriously, how can SA be elite defensively with this kind of personnel ? The backup PG candidates are Neal, Mills and Nando. Who plays defense? None of them. SA's backup PFs are Dejuan Blair and Matt Bonner. Who plays defense? None of them. It the FO was really serious about getting the defense path back, at least Bonner and Blair would be gone by now.
As I said to ElNono, people expecting this team to be elite defensively will be really disappointed. SA will win games again with their offense, not with defense.

[TDMVPDPOY]

prefer to have curry than turd towers or anything to do with blair, bonner or splitter on the court individually or on at the same time is asking to be scored on at will...

[ohmwrecker]

Wasn't everyone making fun of Miami for signing Curry last year?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Wasn't everyone making fun of Miami for signing Curry last year?

Most were making fun of the Spurs inviting him to camp too.

[lefty]

Ok I just got the news (lol 1 day later)



WTF they are not keeping Curry ? :lmao :lmao :lmao :rollin


They think Bonner is better ? :lmao :rollin :lmao





:lol Spurs


:lol Duncan will never win that 5th ring :rollin


:lol Conservative overrated front office

And people are wondering why some San Antonians become Laker fans :lmao

[silverblk mystix]

:pop: " Matty has been in the gym all summer-wait til you see him manhandle D.Howard bitches!"

[trypldubl]

so Spurs don't keep Curry. well, FO must be totally incompetent to do so.
wait.
Spurs had the by far best offense of the league last season, right?
and they bring back the same staff, that was responsible for this offensive qualities.
and they plan to improve the defense, they said.
so why do they bring in a player, who exclusively offers offense? and then waive him.
hmmmmm
oh, it's not called preseason championship, it's called training camp.
and what do you need to improve the defense of your regular player during camp?
right, you need some quality offensive player to work with them.
and at the end of the camp, you don't need this player any longer.
makes sense? naaaahhh. Pop/RC are idiots.

Yea the same coaching staff that pretty much every playoffs can not make in series adjustments when needed.

[phxspurfan]

I don't want to talk for other posters but the main reason why we are disappointed isn't necessarily because we thought Curry would be some kind of savior, it's more that Spurs enter this season with the same bigmen than last year while they got exposed in that area during the playoffs.

I disagree. I think this team got exposed in the playoffs for losing their entire game plan in the middle of a series. No combination of bigmen would have changed the fact that all of our role players simultaneously took a giant crap and OKC couldn't miss. Perkins and Ibaka's inside presence was hardly dominant and would not have single-handedly won OKC four straight games. Not to mention the fact that this team curbstomped the best team of big men in the playoffs, the Jazz, and then also swept a team with two great up and coming big men in the LA Clippers.

It's a long season...injuries happen, and so does random players stepping up (who knows) and other players falling off (Nash, Kobe have to at some point).

But please, dear God, trade Bonner!

[silverblk mystix]

I disagree. I think this team got exposed in the playoffs for losing their entire game plan in the middle of a series. No combination of bigmen would have changed the fact that all of our role players simultaneously took a giant crap and OKC couldn't miss. Perkins and Ibaka's inside presence was hardly dominant and would not have single-handedly won OKC four straight games. Not to mention the fact that this team curbstomped the best team of big men in the playoffs, the Jazz, and then also swept a team with two great up and coming big men in the LA Clippers.



It's a long season...injuries happen, and so does random players stepping up (who knows) and other players falling off (Nash, Kobe have to at some point).

But please, dear God, trade Bonner!


Do you think our "bigs" bear any responsibility for allowing Ibaka to hit 15 shots in a row? Most of them uncontested? Timmy can't move once we reach the all-star break and the turd towers can't bother anyone's shot and Tiago will be benched by then...lol

[jiggy_55]

Disappointing. Hoping there is some plan for a trade eventually or a signing to make this better. We need a big man who can score easily and we need one badly.

[Spurs Brazil]

I don't want to talk for other posters but the main reason why we are disappointed isn't necessarily because we thought Curry would be some kind of savior, it's more that Spurs enter this season with the same bigmen than last year while they got exposed in that area during the playoffs.

Agree. We got that weak bigmen rotation since 2009

[turkish spurs fan]

isn't tiago splitter + zaza pachulia trade possible in the middle of the season?

[Bruno]

Disappointing. Hoping there is some plan for a trade eventually or a signing to make this better.

I hope it too but the most likely scenarios are Spurs starting the season with 14 players or keeping Powell as 15th player.

If Powell is kept, it will be interesting to see where he will be in the depth chart. There were signs in this preseason that Pop was giving up on both Bonner and Blair.

[jjktkk]

I hope it too but the most likely scenarios are Spurs starting the season with 14 players or keeping Powell as 15th player.

If Powell is kept, it will be interesting to see where he will be in the depth chart. There were signs in this preseason that Pop was giving up on both Bonner and Blair.

One can only hope.

[TD 21]

If only the FO were as intelligent as posters on Spurstalk :lol

Being intelligent doesn't mean you're above doing stupid things.

[spurs108]

Duncan on Curry's camp performance: http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/121024_duncan
"Eddy had a really good camp. I thought he did a really good job, he played well. It's just kind of situational that we can't keep him. I wish we could with his size and his skill. But he had a really good camp and it was tough playing against him, but it was fun."

It really is a shame that they didn't keep him. Having another big body on the roster with his skill in the post(especially at the 15th spot) would have been valuable. Just hoping the "situational" means they are looking at a better option outside of the current preseason roster. Only time will tell...

[phxspurfan]

hopefully "situational" means trading Bonner, Blair and Splitter for a real big man and a bag of chips.

[spurs108]

My guess, if they don't plan on going into the season with 14(which is very possible), is that it won't be a trade. If it were, then we'd most likely be giving up two players and getting back one, which would leave an open roster spot for curry and wouldn't explain him being waved for "situational" reasons. If the spurs are looking at adding another for the beginning of the season then it will probably be someone who hasn't found a team yet(Martin) or is getting dropped from another teams training camp.

[Duncan2177]

hopefully "situational" means trading Bonner, Blair and Splitter for a real big man and a bag of chips.

Or signing Martin.

[SpurPadre]

Or signing Martin.


He's going to be 35 in December...great another old fart. Oh well, he's still better than that red-headed, sandwich loving piece of shit.

[therealtruth]

Do you think our "bigs" bear any responsibility for allowing Ibaka to hit 15 shots in a row? Most of them uncontested? Timmy can't move once we reach the all-star break and the turd towers can't bother anyone's shot and Tiago will be benched by then...lol

Exactly it's ridiculous the self denial by Spurs fans. Those guys won't shoot that well again. It was a fluke. The real truth is that players are more likely to hit uncontested jumpers so regardless of how unlikely their shooting performance was it was made possible by not contesting the shots. Till we stop playing "hope you don't make it" defense the same thing is going to keep happening.

[therealtruth]

Yea the same coaching staff that pretty much every playoffs can not make in series adjustments when needed.

That's the truth. Can someone name the last time Pop made a successful in series adjustment that worked that didn't involve starting Ginobili? I will give him credit for going into the Jazz and Clippers series with a good gameplan that those teams didn't respond well to. He had a fairly good gameplan going into the Thunder series but he never countered Brooks adjustments.

[therealtruth]

Curry could have helped by allowing us to get easy baskets and giving enough time to set our defense. It's much harder to set your defense when your jumpers are missing and the other team is flying down the court. If the jumpers aren't falling we have another option other than Tim to get easy baskets. Good post scoring can mess with your opponent's rhythm and break up their momentum.

[silverblk mystix]

Curry could have helped by allowing us to get easy baskets and giving enough time to set our defense. It's much harder to set your defense when your jumpers are missing and the other team is flying down the court. If the jumpers aren't falling we have another option other than Tim to get easy baskets. Good post scoring can mess with your opponent's rhythm and break up their momentum.


Well, everyone knows that 300 pound 7 foot centers grow on trees and Pop just felt that the spurs can always get one of those if they ever need him...oh wait...#$%$#

Same ol spurs story...

[DOS CHAINZ]

Whats Rosho doing these days?

[callo1]

Curry could have helped by allowing us to get easy baskets and giving enough time to set our defense. It's much harder to set your defense when your jumpers are missing and the other team is flying down the court. If the jumpers aren't falling we have another option other than Tim to get easy baskets. Good post scoring can mess with your opponent's rhythm and break up their momentum.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Most intelligent post in this thread.

Sometimes a good defense starts with a more reliable offense. Last year the spurs lived by the jump shot; especially the three ball...offense went cold and lack of transition defense was exposed.

[dylankerouac]

Martins age won't be a big deal with Pops minute management. I just hope the team can do something quick so the player can have a lot of time to learn the system. I already forsee an excuse about said player being set-back because they weren't a part of training camp and Pop casually leaning on this excuse (let's be perfectly blunt, it would have nothing to do with Pop not giving the player adequate minutes in playoff like lineups before the playoffs) at the end of the season unless a rings the thing next summer.

[007nites]

Tim Duncan on Eddy Curry:

"I wish we could have kept him, he has great size and skills"

[Ice009]

Tim Duncan on Eddy Curry:

"I wish we could have kept him, he has great size and skills"

I just don't know what to say. A guy with his size and skills as the 15th man for minimum salary, I just don't understand why you would let him go this early. They could have kept him for a while then released him later if his defense was so bad.

For minimum salary and as a 15th man I thought he was worth holding on to. Don't know if Tim was just being nice by saying what he did, but if not, then I guess he thinks the same thing as some of us do.

[temujin]

Sometimes I think many Spurs fans need a good dose of Bobcats FO "moves" and "deals" for, let's say, 3 years.
Then they can come back and talk about Eddie Currie.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Missing Eddy: Many in the Spurs organization expect Curry, the veteran big man waived by the team Tuesday, will hook on with another NBA squad.

On Wednesday, Curry received one such endorsement from Tim Duncan.

“Eddy had a really good camp,” Duncan said. “I thought he did a really good job. He played well. It was just kind of situational that we couldn’t keep him.”

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sometimes I think many Spurs fans need a good dose of Bobcats FO "moves" and "deals" for, let's say, 3 years.
Then they can come back and talk about Eddie Currie.

Very soon those who want to see the rebuilding started quickly will get all that and more. Multiple 20-win seasons and drafting Emaka Okafors and Ben Gordons. Yay!

[velik_m]

Meh, the Spurs are just being cheap and going with 14 players into the season, if there is an interesting player cut from some other team late in the season, they will try to pick him up.

[Chomag]

If only he could shoot 3's. Seems, All big men not named Duncan must be 3 point shooters in Pops mind.

I just wished for once we could get a big man that actually plays like a big man. Sadly, with this FO, im not so sure that will ever happen.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If only he could shoot 3's. Seems, All big men not named Duncan must be 3 point shooters in Pops mind.

I just wished for once we could get a big man that actually plays like a big man. Sadly, with this FO, im not so sure that will ever happen.

Splitter's 3s are raining I tells ya.

[Chomag]

I guess that explains his lack of consistent playing time

[venitian navigator]

I wonder if it's possible, after cutting players in training camp, to sign the same players with different contracts.
I mean that 'cause we already had some sort of these long and cheap contracts (see Blair, Neal).
In fact, I think that if Spurs have seen something in Curry or Brown worth developing in our system, they could have considered that giving them just a one year deal was not the way they wanted...

[Dex]

Missing Eddy: Many in the Spurs organization expect Curry, the veteran big man waived by the team Tuesday, will hook on with another NBA squad.

On Wednesday, Curry received one such endorsement from Tim Duncan.

“Eddy had a really good camp,” Duncan said. “I thought he did a really good job. He played well. It was just kind of situational that we couldn’t keep him.”

Situational...the situation is that Pop is in love with small-ball and the Spurs front-office has flown off their rocker.

[monkeypunk]

Balls! They have to have something else up their sleeve (another big they are about to sign) or Curry still has health/heart concerns. They can't be obtuse to the point that they didn't see the value of surefire post offense.

[snickles]

I wonder if it's possible, after cutting players in training camp, to sign the same players with different contracts.
I mean that 'cause we already had some sort of these long and cheap contracts (see Blair, Neal).
In fact, I think that if Spurs have seen something in Curry or Brown worth developing in our system, they could have considered that giving them just a one year deal was not the way they wanted...

if i understand what you're asking, the i believe the answer is yes. but sort of. curry's contract was non-guaranteed, so they could basically tear it up at any time. but (and someone correct me if im wrong here) that would put the player on waivers. meaning another team could just pick him up at the same contract. so if he clears waivers, i believe you could re-sign him to a longer or guaranteed contract.

[BoricuaCJA]

Splitter's 3s are raining I tells ya.

So are Blairs!

[ace3g]

Art Garcia ‏@ArtGarcia92

Mavs claim Eddy Curry off waivers. Curry cut recently by Spurs.

[loveforthegame]

Figures. He'll probably stick too. Mavs fans seem happy with the move.

[TD 21]

Interesting. They needed another big, but they're at capacity. I wonder if this is a prelude to them releasing West.

[monkeypunk]

:pctoss

[MinuteByMinuteSports]

I'm shocked that Pop let Curry leave. I know he had trouble w/ pick&roll, but he could have learned it as the season went on. Even Timmy said he hated to see him go because he worked hard and was a big guy they needed. I'm starting to believe that Pop doesn't want us to get better because every time we have someone with potential he let's them go. Now Mavs got deeper with Curry. They may not win a title w/ Curry but will give us a hard time. Fucking Pop, I know that he did this to stick it to the fans and tell us "sorry no championship ever again, just enjoy the playoffs"

If Pop says we're trying to improve that is crap. Fucking pizza face, go to hell.

[mexicanjunior]

Art Garcia ‏@ArtGarcia92

Mavs claim Eddy Curry off waivers. Curry cut recently by Spurs.

I predict he plays well against us...especially when the Bonner-Blair sandwich is guarding him. Just more salt on the wound...

[Bruno]

Western conference teams beefing up to face the Lakers. Good move by the Mavs.
Meanwhile, Spurs only have 2 relatively skinny 6'11" players to hold the middle...

It's not some kind of melting down posts. Spurs roster isn't well balanced at its end with too much guards and not enough size/strength in the paint.

[yavozerb]

Were talking about Eddy freaking Curry right..some of you people make him out to be a difference maker. He is/was not and was never going to be. The spurs are going to play small ball ALOT this year so we might as well get used to it. Get used to seeing Sjax/Kawhi play alot of 4 and run after every made or missed basket and pop using his bench alot through out the season. This is the spurs and has been the spurs now for quite sometime.

[thOOdee]

Were talking about Eddy freaking Curry right..some of you people make him out to be a difference maker. He is/was not and was never going to be. The spurs are going to play small ball ALOT this year so we might as well get used to it. Get used to seeing Sjax/Kawhi play alot of 4 and run after every made or missed basket and pop using his bench alot through out the season. This is the spurs and has been the spurs now for quite sometime.


he is a difference make when compared to bon bon.

[Dex]

Were talking about Eddy freaking Curry right..some of you people make him out to be a difference maker. He is/was not and was never going to be. The spurs are going to play small ball ALOT this year so we might as well get used to it. Get used to seeing Sjax/Kawhi play alot of 4 and run after every made or missed basket and pop using his bench alot through out the season. This is the spurs and has been the spurs now for quite sometime.

That should work out nicely when we go up against the Lakers / Thunder / Griz in the playoffs.

I understand what you're saying: It's just the way things are right now. Doesn't mean we have to be happy about it. Curry may have been a longshot to be a productive center, but I'd rather have a longshot option than rely on Bonner/Blair/Splitter again.

[TD 21]

The Spurs are the definition of insanity. Same thing, over and over, pretending as if the result is going to be any different. No one has any illusion about what Curry is, but for the minimum and with a spot open, he was clearly a worthwhile project, at least for the time being.

I'm sick and tired of people making excuses for the front office. They could have easily added a beefy center at the minimum, just to have around for depth purposes. Guys like Collins, Milicic, O'Neal, Harrellson, Fesenko and Magloire were all there for the taking (Fesenko technically is currently, though he may have an agreement in principal to re-join the Bulls on November 19th, when they can officially sign him and Magloire is technically still with the Raptors, but will be waived in short order). They must like getting pushed around and embarrassed.

[therealtruth]

Hopefully waiving Curry is a sign Pop is willing to play Splitter 25-30 minutes and allow him to develop in the post.

[yavozerb]

Thunder actually beat the spurs once they moved Durant to the 4 so they actually beat the spurs with there own verson of small ball.Lakers, well once the spurs can put together a roster worth 100 mil then the spurs will compete with them on paper..

[Duncan2177]

The Spurs are the definition of insanity. Same thing, over and over, pretending as if the result is going to be any different. No one has any illusion about what Curry is, but for the minimum and with a spot open, he was clearly a worthwhile project, at least for the time being.

I'm sick and tired of people making excuses for the front office. They could have easily added a beefy center at the minimum, just to have around for depth purposes. Guys like Collins, Milicic, O'Neal, Harrellson, Fesenko and Magloire were all there for the taking (Fesenko technically is currently, though he may have an agreement in principal to re-join the Bulls on November 19th, when they can officially sign him and Magloire is technically still with the Raptors, but will be waived in short order). They must like getting pushed around and embarrassed.

:tu

[ChumpDumper]

I thought you guys wanted a return to defense.

Pick a lane.

[Obstructed_View]

Curry was impressive, but not on the end of the floor where the Spurs needed him. Bet Blair outscores him this season.

[Obstructed_View]

But Powell's still on the team, right? Wasn't Curry better?

[SenorSpur]

The Spurs are the definition of insanity. Same thing, over and over, pretending as if the result is going to be any different. No one has any illusion about what Curry is, but for the minimum and with a spot open, he was clearly a worthwhile project, at least for the time being.

I'm sick and tired of people making excuses for the front office. They could have easily added a beefy center at the minimum, just to have around for depth purposes. Guys like Collins, Milicic, O'Neal, Harrellson, Fesenko and Magloire were all there for the taking (Fesenko technically is currently, though he may have an agreement in principal to re-join the Bulls on November 19th, when they can officially sign him and Magloire is technically still with the Raptors, but will be waived in short order). They must like getting pushed around and embarrassed.

:tu

[therealtruth]

Thunder actually beat the spurs once they moved Durant to the 4 so they actually beat the spurs with there own verson of small ball.Lakers, well once the spurs can put together a roster worth 100 mil then the spurs will compete with them on paper..

You can't force a team to play small ball but you can punish a team for playing small ball by beating them up inside.

[yavozerb]

I disagree..Both the Heat and Thunder got the championship game with small ball. Granted they have Lebron and Durant to plug in at the 4, but small ball can most definatly be a strength with the right players. Lakers had the best inside players in the NBA over the last 2 seasons and got run off the court against smaller teams. I agree that Curry would make the spurs bigger, but it would also make them slower, which pop has gone away from over the past 2 seasons. I also agree that you can beat teams on the inside, but in this day an age when touch fouls are called every time down the court its just not as useful to have slow footed inside players patrolling the paint.

[lakerhaterade]

I disagree..Both the Heat and Thunder got the championship game with small ball. Granted they have Lebron and Durant to plug in at the 4, but small ball can most definatly be a strength with the right players. Lakers had the best inside players in the NBA over the last 2 seasons and got run off the court against smaller teams. I agree that Curry would make the spurs bigger, but it would also make them slower, which pop has gone away from over the past 2 seasons.

But you can't beat the best two small ball teams at their game.

[yavozerb]

But you can't beat the best two small ball teams at their game.

Really, you really think the spurs have a 0% chance of beating the Thunder if they meet again in the playoffs this season? I believe they have as much as a 50/50 chance of beating the Thunder after a full season together. So you believe with the help of Curry the spurs up there chances to win a title?

[lakerhaterade]

Really, you really think the spurs have a 0% chance of beating the Thunder if they meet again in the playoffs this season? I believe they have as much as a 50/50 chance of beating the Thunder after a full season together. So you believe with the help of Curry the spurs up there chances to win a title?
They don't have a 0 percent change. They have a chance, most definitely.

They don't have a 50/50 chance after a full season together. You're happily ignoring the fact that this team will go through the grind of an 82-game season. There are going to be injuries, people are going to be tired by that end of the season. We are an old team.

Having Curry could help title chances if he underwent a career renaissance, a scenario highly unlikely.

[yavozerb]

They don't have a 0 percent change. They have a chance, most definitely.

They don't have a 50/50 chance after a full season together. You're happily ignoring the fact that this team will go through the grind of an 82-game season. There are going to be injuries, people are going to be tired by that end of the season. We are an old team.

Having Curry could help title chances if he underwent a career renaissance, a scenario highly unlikely.

OK, so what exactly is your point? So you believe there is greater chance of a possible championship with Curry cause his career renaissance is more likely than the spurs winning without him cause they will get injured and be to tired to contend...If you say so..

[lakerhaterade]

My point is this is a no-win situation.

Whether we have Curry or not, this team will still probably lose to the Lakers or Thunder. If we get lucky, we'll still lose to the Heat.

To win, we must hire a scientist that will do lab work to reduce TD's age back to his mid-20's.

i.e., we're fucked.

[spurs10]

My point is this is a no-win situation.

Whether we have Curry or not, this team will still probably lose to the Lakers or Thunder. If we get lucky, we'll still lose to the Heat.

To win, we must hire a scientist that will do lab work to reduce TD's age back to his mid-20's.
Errr......that's the spirit!!

i.e., we're fucked.

[Hoops Czar]

OK, so what exactly is your point? So you believe there is greater chance of a possible championship with Curry cause his career renaissance is more likely than the spurs winning without him cause they will get injured and be to tired to contend...If you say so..

No you idiot. the Spurs have no chance because their biggest offseason acquisition was De Cola. Diaw and Green were formalities and both were here when the Spurs went down to the Thunder. After 4 or 5 years, if the FO still doesn't get it that SIZE matters, then the fight is over before it begins. And NO, they won't get squat at the tradeline for Bonner or Blair.


As far as beating the Thunder, unless Duncan and Ginobili show no regression, Parker has another career year and Leonard doesn't have a sophomore setback, they won't be beating the Thunder. And there's no point in bringing up the putrid defense thus far.

[therealtruth]

I disagree..Both the Heat and Thunder got the championship game with small ball. Granted they have Lebron and Durant to plug in at the 4, but small ball can most definatly be a strength with the right players. Lakers had the best inside players in the NBA over the last 2 seasons and got run off the court against smaller teams. I agree that Curry would make the spurs bigger, but it would also make them slower, which pop has gone away from over the past 2 seasons. I also agree that you can beat teams on the inside, but in this day an age when touch fouls are called every time down the court its just not as useful to have slow footed inside players patrolling the paint.

The Lakers have solved their small ball problems because DH is a more mobile big than Bynum.

[DPG21920]

I thought you guys wanted a return to defense.

Pick a lane.


But Powell's still on the team, right? Wasn't Curry better?

[xmas1997]

The Suns waived Solomon Jones who is a defensive minded center, and waived Diogu too.

[Bruno]

Something not to forget about Spurs to analyze the Curry waiving is that they are really close to the luxury tax threshold. Spurs have little financial flexibility and they might want to keep it for later in the season. You can make a strong argument than staying with 14 players is the right move to do for Spurs for the moment.

Now, if Spurs keep Powell, the waiving of Curry will be harder to justify.

[yavozerb]

No you idiot. the Spurs have no chance because their biggest offseason acquisition was De Cola. Diaw and Green were formalities and both were here when the Spurs went down to the Thunder. After 4 or 5 years, if the FO still doesn't get it that SIZE matters, then the fight is over before it begins. And NO, they won't get squat at the tradeline for Bonner or Blair.


As far as beating the Thunder, unless Duncan and Ginobili show no regression, Parker has another career year and Leonard doesn't have a sophomore setback, they won't be beating the Thunder. And there's no point in bringing up the putrid defense thus far.

:lol, you calling someone idiot...The spurs will always have a chance as long pop is on sideline with manu,tp, and td on his roster. Everyone knows they are getting older but to count out the spurs completely is beyond idiotic.

[ace3g]

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