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10-25-2012, 09:48 AM

Powell endorses Obama again

CNN's Ashley Killough
(CNN) - Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said Thursday he's endorsing President Barack Obama for a second time, saying he was "uncomfortable" with Mitt Romney's views on foreign policy.

"I voted for him in 2008, and I plan to stick with him in 2012," Powell said on CBS' "This Morning." "And I'll be voting for he and for Vice President Joe Biden next month."

Powell made headlines when the former George W. Bush administration official, who also worked for President Ronald Reagan and President George H.W. Bush, crossed party lines and supported Obama last cycle.

The Republican said he believes the economy is "starting to pick up" and attributed the recovery to the president's polices, citing specifically the auto industry bailout and Obama's economic proposals. "Generally we've come out of the dive and we're starting to gain altitude," he said.

Powell added he was "uncomfortable" with Mitt Romney's tax plans and views on foreign policy. Pointing to Monday night's final presidential debate, Powell argued the GOP nominee had changed his positions on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The former secretary of state said he was concerned with the advice Romney was getting from campaign staff members.

"I think there are some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the governor that I have some trouble with," Powell said, though he did not elaborate on which views.

"I also saw the president get us out of one war, start to get us out of a second war and did not get us into any new wars," he said.

Powell added he was pleased with the Obama administration's views on climate change, health care, immigration and education. As for the rising federal debt, he faulted Congress for failing to reach a "grand bargain" on a deficit-reduction plan.

"This is work the Congress is supposed to be doing," he said. "Why can't they up on the Hill start talking to one another, reach across the aisle? But it will take great presidential leadership."

Asked if he was still a Republican, Powell said he still claimed the GOP as his political home. "Yes I think I'm a Republican of a more moderate mold, and that's something of a dying breed, I'm sorry to say." .

I heart this guy. He would so have mny vote over the two who are currently running.

for the red team-Cue the ' it's black thing' mantra..

TeyshaBlue

10-25-2012, 09:50 AM

Cue the blue team strawman

clambake

10-25-2012, 10:12 AM

this "strawman" that people keep referring to has become quite the contender!

boutons_deux

10-25-2012, 10:25 AM

Crows of a featha be stickin togetha, yeah man, slap yo mama!

JoeChalupa

10-25-2012, 10:27 AM

I too would vote for Powell.

boutons_deux

10-25-2012, 10:50 AM

Powell smeared himself by lying, he knew he was set up, to the UN about aluminum tubes to justify invading Iraq for oil. As the saying goes, "if you play with pigs, you get dirty". The dubya/dickhead/rummy war criminals were/are really dirty pigs.

" Tom Glen, a 21-year-old soldier of the 11th Light Infantry Brigade, wrote a letter to General Creighton Abrams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creighton_Abrams), the new overall commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam, accusing the Americal Division (and other units of the U.S. military) of routine and pervasive brutality against Vietnamese civilians. The letter was detailed and its contents echoed complaints received from other soldiers.[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

Colin Powell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell), then a 31-year-old Army major, was charged with investigating the letter, which did not specifically reference Mỹ Lai (Glen had limited knowledge of the events there). In his report, Powell wrote, "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between Americal Division (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23rd_Infantry_Division_(United_States))[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre#cite_note-34) soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Powell's handling of the assignment was later characterized by some observers as "whitewashing" the atrocities of Mỹ Lai."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

DMC

10-25-2012, 10:58 AM

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I heart this guy. He would so have mny vote over the two who are currently running.

for the red team-Cue the ' it's black thing' mantra..
You already know the truth so you preempt anyone else from saying it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GMR_nJjqBA

Clipper Nation

10-25-2012, 11:02 AM

Crows of a featha be stickin togetha, yeah man, slap yo mama!
Wow, and you call Team Red racist? :lol

SnakeBoy

10-25-2012, 11:09 AM

Powell said the economy is improving and Obama got the United States out of war in Iraq

That's pretty funny coming from the guy who helped get us into war with Iraq.

Breaking news black people vote for black people.

Riddler

10-25-2012, 11:09 AM

Crows of a featha be stickin togetha, yeah man, slap yo mama!

:lol

Wild Cobra

10-25-2012, 12:35 PM

That's pretty funny coming from the guy who helped get us into war with Iraq.

Breaking news black people vote for black people.
Racialism at it's finest.

Clipper Nation

10-25-2012, 12:50 PM

Racialism at it's finest.
Ironic, coming from someone who openly admits to hating black people.....

Trill Clinton

10-25-2012, 01:00 PM

lol@ people saying he voted for obama because he's black.

pure ignorance.

Wild Cobra

10-25-2012, 01:03 PM

Ironic, coming from someone who openly admits to hating black people.....
Saying I don't like most black people is not the same as saying I hate black people. You just gained another stupidity point.

DMC

10-25-2012, 01:15 PM

lol@ people saying he voted for obama because he's black.

pure ignorance.
It's pretty obvious by the tear in his eye for a guy he doesn't really know personally, a Democrat when he's a Republican, that the common bond they share is their race. That's what the entire message is about, that a black man can be president. It's a powerful message to blacks, and Colin Powell is no exception. So yes, the race played a role in his vote. To pretend otherwise is ignorance or just shitty trolling per the usual.

Trill Clinton

10-25-2012, 01:21 PM

It's pretty obvious by the tear in his eye for a guy he doesn't really know personally, a Democrat when he's a Republican, that the common bond they share is their race. That's what the entire message is about, that a black man can be president. It's a powerful message to blacks, and Colin Powell is no exception. So yes, the race played a role in his vote. To pretend otherwise is ignorance or just shitty trolling per the usual.

don't even know why i'm responding but did you even read the article?

here i'll post some of it for you:

The Republican said he believes the economy is "starting to pick up" and attributed the recovery to the president's polices, citing specifically the auto industry bailout and Obama's economic proposals. "Generally we've come out of the dive and we're starting to gain altitude," he said.

Powell added he was "uncomfortable" with Mitt Romney's tax plans and views on foreign policy. Pointing to Monday night's final presidential debate, Powell argued the GOP nominee had changed his positions on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The former secretary of state said he was concerned with the advice Romney was getting from campaign staff members.

"I think there are some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the governor that I have some trouble with," Powell said, though he did not elaborate on which views.

"I also saw the president get us out of one war, start to get us out of a second war and did not get us into any new wars," he said.

Powell added he was pleased with the Obama administration's views on climate change, health care, immigration and education. As for the rising federal debt, he faulted Congress for failing to reach a "grand bargain" on a deficit-reduction plan.

"This is work the Congress is supposed to be doing," he said. "Why can't they up on the Hill start talking to one another, reach across the aisle? But it will take great presidential leadership."

Asked if he was still a Republican, Powell said he still claimed the GOP as his political home. "Yes I think I'm a Republican of a more moderate mold, and that's something of a dying breed, I'm sorry to say."

i doubt Mr. Powell is the only republican voting democrat and vice versa.

this has nothing to do with race and its a shame that you would think a man of Mr. Powell's stature and prestige would do something like that.

Th'Pusher

10-25-2012, 01:35 PM

don't even know why i'm responding but did you even read the article?

here i'll post some of it for you:

The Republican said he believes the economy is "starting to pick up" and attributed the recovery to the president's polices, citing specifically the auto industry bailout and Obama's economic proposals. "Generally we've come out of the dive and we're starting to gain altitude," he said.

Powell added he was "uncomfortable" with Mitt Romney's tax plans and views on foreign policy. Pointing to Monday night's final presidential debate, Powell argued the GOP nominee had changed his positions on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The former secretary of state said he was concerned with the advice Romney was getting from campaign staff members.

"I think there are some very, very strong neo-conservative views that are presented by the governor that I have some trouble with," Powell said, though he did not elaborate on which views.

"I also saw the president get us out of one war, start to get us out of a second war and did not get us into any new wars," he said.

Powell added he was pleased with the Obama administration's views on climate change, health care, immigration and education. As for the rising federal debt, he faulted Congress for failing to reach a "grand bargain" on a deficit-reduction plan.

"This is work the Congress is supposed to be doing," he said. "Why can't they up on the Hill start talking to one another, reach across the aisle? But it will take great presidential leadership."

Asked if he was still a Republican, Powell said he still claimed the GOP as his political home. "Yes I think I'm a Republican of a more moderate mold, and that's something of a dying breed, I'm sorry to say."

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Wow. This is pretty much how I feel and why I am voting for Obama. And I'm white!

DMC

10-25-2012, 01:36 PM

Sure I read it, but he endorsed Obama originally and knew nothing about his policies tbh. That negates anything else you said.

Th'Pusher

10-25-2012, 01:38 PM

Sure I read it, but he endorsed Obama originally and knew nothing about his policies tbh. That negates anything else you said.
But he knows his policies now. O broke the first black prez barrier. There is really no need to endorse him for a second term if you are not on board with his policies regardless of color.

Trill Clinton

10-25-2012, 01:39 PM

what you just typed is hearsay.

BRHornet45

10-25-2012, 01:47 PM

Breaking news black people vote for black people.

this. if Obama were a white man with the exact same views then Powell would have endorsed both McCain and Romney. it all boils down to skin color.

BRHornet45

10-25-2012, 01:48 PM

sons Pastor Manning took Powell to school in the last election ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mUuaYXO0ze0

(click link, the user disabled embedding)

mUuaYXO0ze0

SA210

10-25-2012, 01:52 PM

Obama has bombed more countries than Bush, no surprise here

Riddler

10-25-2012, 02:30 PM

this. if Obama were a white man with the exact same views then Powell would have endorsed both McCain and Romney. it all boils down to skin color.

Typical BR. It's not even trolling at this point.Being from the great state of Lewssssiana and having the standard 4th grade education level typically required in NO and doing absolutely nothing with your life (example: rooting for any New Orleans team) on top of being a retarded fatass rightwinger who thinks his intellectual capacity grows if he shouts more makes him smart. You may have different reasons for hating the black man but I will say I hope it's not because when you look down at the scale, it reads "Southbeach diet fatass" obviously leaving you incapable of laying the little pipe you have to the white woman.

BRHornet45

10-25-2012, 02:36 PM

Typical BR. It's not even trolling at this point.Being from the great state of Lewssssiana and having the standard 4th grade education level typically required in NO and doing absolutely nothing with your life (example: rooting for any New Orleans team) on top of being a retarded fatass rightwinger who thinks his intellectual capacity grows if he shouts more makes him smart. You may have different reasons for hating the black man but I will say I hope it's not because when you look down at the scale, it reads "Southbeach diet fatass" obviously leaving you incapable of laying the little pipe you have to the white woman.

:lol

son you're funny.

DMC

10-25-2012, 02:53 PM

But he knows his policies now. O broke the first black prez barrier. There is really no need to endorse him for a second term if you are not on board with his policies regardless of color.
Let's check your logic here;

Powell endorses Obama because of his skin color
Powell endorses Obama again, but this time skin color isn't a part of it

So either his skin color has changed or Powell no longer a Republican. He's admitted to being a Republican. Obama's skin color hasn't changed.

The truth is that racial bias is the underlying cause or at least should be heavily suspected as such when a former SoS like Powell cries about someone being elected then later comes out and endorses him as someone from the opposition party.

Moot point when he's already shown his racial bias overrules his political stance. Anything after that has to be viewed in that light.

Th'Pusher

10-25-2012, 03:16 PM

Let's check your logic here;

Powell endorses Obama because of his skin color
Powell endorses Obama again, but this time skin color isn't a part of it

So either his skin color has changed or Powell no longer a Republican. He's admitted to being a Republican. Obama's skin color hasn't changed.

The truth is that racial bias is the underlying cause or at least should be heavily suspected as such when a former SoS like Powell cries about someone being elected then later comes out and endorses him as someone from the opposition party.

Moot point when he's already shown his racial bias overrules his political stance. Anything after that has to be viewed in that light.
That's some flawed ass logic. Let's say you're right and say that he wanted to play a role in electing the first black president in the US so he endorsed O in 08. You're saying that it is impossible, now in 2012, for powell to believe that he's simply a better option than Romney. That's moronic.

MannyIsGod

10-25-2012, 03:26 PM

Cue the blue team strawman

LOL its not a strawman. Look at some of the posts on this page.

DMC

10-25-2012, 04:25 PM

That's some flawed ass logic. Let's say you're right and say that he wanted to play a role in electing the first black president in the US so he endorsed O in 08. You're saying that it is impossible, now in 2012, for powell to believe that he's simply a better option than Romney. That's moronic.

I am saying that his motives now are a moot point once he's shown he will vote based on skin color. There's simply no reason to give an admitted racist the benefit of the doubt on this issue, and yes your euphemism of "wanted to play a role in electing the first black president.." is actually "voted for him because he's black". Spin it how you like, Colin Powell basically showed and admitted that he voted for Obama because of the color of his skin (he endorsed, we don't know who he voted for though we have a good idea). Sure I understand his motives, but they are still racially motivated. Decisions based on color of skin instead of content of character are racist.

Powell chose the advancement of colored people over the advancement of the nation.

boutons_deux

10-25-2012, 04:34 PM

"Powell chose the advancement of colored people over the advancement of the nation."

G M A F B

Repugs choose the advancement of the 1%, UCA, MIC over the advancement of the nation.

DMC

10-25-2012, 04:38 PM

"Powell chose the advancement of colored people over the advancement of the nation."

G M A F B

Repugs choose the advancement of the 1%, UCA, MIC over the advancement of the nation.

Your retort does not do anything to disprove what I stated. You make a living on tu quoque responses. Also, I have no fucking idea what those esoteric, "spent too much time listening to liberal radio talk show hosts and perusing liberal blogs" acronyms mean.

In fact, I never seen you offer up a decent rebuttal. You just use the same tired "ya but" Moore-Coulter type responses.

boutons_deux

10-25-2012, 04:53 PM

Your retort does not do anything to disprove what I stated. You make a living on tu quoque responses. Also, I have no fucking idea what those esoteric, "spent too much time listening to liberal radio talk show hosts and perusing liberal blogs" acronyms mean.

In fact, I never seen you offer up a decent rebuttal. You just use the same tired "ya but" Moore-Coulter type responses.

up your re-butt-al:

Powell's other choice of McLiar/pitbull bitch would have "advanced the nation"? :lol

Powell certainly knew from working with WH/Congressional assholes what kind of pigs they were. They set up with lies and sent him to do their dirty work at the UN.

DMC

10-25-2012, 05:29 PM

up your re-butt-al:

Powell's other choice of McLiar/pitbull bitch would have "advanced the nation"? :lol

Powell certainly knew from working with WH/Congressional assholes what kind of pigs they were. They set up with lies and sent him to do their dirty work at the UN.

Non sequitur

Koolaid_Man

10-25-2012, 05:36 PM

That's pretty funny coming from the guy who helped get us into war with Iraq.

Breaking news black people vote for black people.

***newsflash*** white people vote for white people too...

just look at every president prior to Obama..think that was by chance :lol

I vote for him because he's black and you vote against him for the same reason....touche :p:

DMC

10-25-2012, 05:40 PM

See, I belong to a certain secret society -- I don't believe I gotta mention it's name -- and these boys, here, they trampled all over our venerated observances and rituals.

Th'Pusher

10-25-2012, 05:46 PM

I am saying that his motives now are a moot point once he's shown he will vote based on skin color. There's simply no reason to give an admitted racist the benefit of the doubt on this issue, and yes your euphemism of "wanted to play a role in electing the first black president.." is actually "voted for him because he's black". Spin it how you like, Colin Powell basically showed and admitted that he voted for Obama because of the color of his skin (he endorsed, we don't know who he voted for though we have a good idea). Sure I understand his motives, but they are still racially motivated. Decisions based on color of skin instead of content of character are racist.

Powell chose the advancement of colored people over the advancement of the nation.

:lol Please explain how four years of McCain/Pailin would have further advanced the nation in your opinion.

Koolaid_Man

10-25-2012, 06:06 PM

I am saying that his motives now are a moot point once he's shown he will vote based on skin color. There's simply no reason to give an admitted racist the benefit of the doubt on this issue, and yes your euphemism of "wanted to play a role in electing the first black president.." is actually "voted for him because he's black". Spin it how you like, Colin Powell basically showed and admitted that he voted for Obama because of the color of his skin (he endorsed, we don't know who he voted for though we have a good idea). Sure I understand his motives, but they are still racially motivated. Decisions based on color of skin instead of content of character are racist.

Powell chose the advancement of colored people over the advancement of the nation.

You know u got issues when you hit us with colored people...channeling your inner Pat Buchanan I see...:lol

But I got a message for you teabagger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1I9xsV-g9Y&feature=related

DMC

10-25-2012, 07:11 PM

You know u got issues when you hit us with colored people...channeling your inner Pat Buchanan I see...:lol

But I got a message for you teabagger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1I9xsV-g9Y&feature=related
NAACP reference

DMC

10-25-2012, 07:13 PM

:lol Please explain how four years of McCain/Pailin would have further advanced the nation in your opinion.

Red herring. Did Colin Powell vote for Obama 4 years ago because of the color of his skin, and if he did not, why was he so overjoyed that he won?

clambake

10-25-2012, 07:41 PM

Red herring. Did Colin Powell vote for Obama 4 years ago because of the color of his skin, and if he did not, why was he so overjoyed that he won?

perhaps it was the alternative.

Riddler

10-25-2012, 08:06 PM

Red herring. Did Colin Powell vote for Obama 4 years ago because of the color of his skin, and if he did not, why was he so overjoyed that he won?

The prospect of Sarah Palin being a heartbeat away from being President of the United Fucking States.

Koolaid_Man

10-25-2012, 08:54 PM

Red herring. Did Colin Powell vote for Obama 4 years ago because of the color of his skin, and if he did not, why was he so overjoyed that he won?

what proof do you have that you didn't vote for McCain because of Obama's skin color?

DMC

10-25-2012, 09:01 PM

what proof do you have that you didn't vote for McCain because of Obama's skin color?

When someone posts an article stating I am endorsing Obama, again, we can go down that road.

DMC

10-25-2012, 09:03 PM

The prospect of Sarah Palin being a heartbeat away from being President of the United Fucking States.

Not according to the video where Powell himself starts crying just talking about Obama winning. When a family member votes for you, it's not because they didn't like the alternative. It's because you share a common bond and they feel they owe it to the family.

DMC

10-25-2012, 09:04 PM

perhaps it was the alternative.

It wasn't the alternative. Do you think Powell's vote made that much of a difference? He came out after the election and endorsed Obama.

BRHornet45

10-25-2012, 09:24 PM

***newsflash*** white people vote for white people too...

just look at every president prior to Obama..think that was by chance :lol

I vote for him because he's black and you vote against him for the same reason....touche :p:

white people put Obama in the white house you cuckolded bastard

Koolaid_Man

10-25-2012, 09:27 PM

When someone posts an article stating I am endorsing Obama, again, we can go down that road.

Powell laid out his reasons in a clear and articulate manner...now what proof do you have that you voted for Obama in 2008....better yet why should we trust a guy like you over a decorated and proven 5 star general...tell me again just who the fuck are YOU? :lol

Koolaid_Man

10-25-2012, 09:32 PM

white people put Obama in the white house you cuckolded bastard

stop emo'ing Bug Hornet....decent hearted and moral white democrats put Obama in office...fact still remains that whites have been voting "White" since the very first US President...do you think it was coincidental or by design? lol

BR in a pickle and can't my question....again the same reason you voted against him is the same reason I voted for him....sleep well BR my good friend.. ;-)

BRHornet45

10-25-2012, 09:36 PM

stop emo'ing Bug Hornet....decent hearted and moral white democrats put Obama in office...fact still remains that whites have been voting "White" since the very first US President...do you think it was coincidental or by design? lol

BR in a pickle and can't my question....again the same reason you voted against him is the same reason I voted for him....sleep well BR my good friend.. ;-)

lol son you about as dumb as a box of rocks sissy boy.

Koolaid_Man

10-25-2012, 09:48 PM

lol son you about as dumb as a box of rocks sissy boy.

none of your anger will change this fact -->
fact still remains that whites have been voting "White" since the very first US President...do you think it was coincidental or by design? lol

Koolaid_Man :lol

DMC

10-25-2012, 09:54 PM

Powell laid out his reasons in a clear and articulate manner...now what proof do you have that you voted for Obama in 2008....better yet why should we trust a guy like you over a decorated and proven 5 star general...tell me again just who the fuck are YOU? :lol

It doesn't matter who I voted for in 2008. What proof do you have that you aren't Extra Stout, a Spurs fan masquerading as a Lakers fan?

clambake

10-25-2012, 11:30 PM

It wasn't the alternative. Do you think Powell's vote made that much of a difference? He came out after the election and endorsed Obama.

their own team sited the reasons. a person didn't have to wait until after to see it.

DMC

10-26-2012, 01:22 AM

I don't think you understand my point.

Btw, I would have voted for Powell over anyone who's run in the past 20 years.

Jacob1983

10-26-2012, 03:55 AM

I voted for Gary Johnson. Obama has sucked ass as president in his first term. I don't give a fuck if he's biracial. He sucks ass just like Bush sucked ass as president.

FuzzyLumpkins

10-26-2012, 05:48 AM

Not according to the video where Powell himself starts crying just talking about Obama winning. When a family member votes for you, it's not because they didn't like the alternative. It's because you share a common bond and they feel they owe it to the family.

The two notions are not mutually exclusive and you are just making shit up to fit your confirmation bias.

boutons_deux

10-26-2012, 06:08 AM

White people vote for white people just because they are white.

1%ers vote for 1%er Gecko because he's 1%.

The Repug "Christian"/bubba base hates, despises Barry because he is black, not because of ACA, NDAA, drones, CFPB, GM/Chrysler, TARP, etc.

For them America is a Euro-American, white, Christian country, and any others are to be kept away from power, money, control of the country.

boutons_deux

10-26-2012, 09:16 AM

On Thursday, Romney campaign co-chair advanced (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/25/1094211/romney-campaign-chair-colin-powell-endorsed-obama-because-he-is-black/) the theory that Gen. Colin Powell endorsed President Obama because he’s black. But this isn’t the first time Sununu or even Mitt Romney’s campaign have introduced Obama’s race into the election. The former New Hampshire governor has repeatedly suggested that Obama or his policies are “foreign,” European, and something less than American. Here are some of his greatest hits:

– Obama is foreign. Obama doesn’t understand the “American system” because “he spent his early years in Hawaii smoking something, spent the next set of years in Indonesia, another set of years in Indonesia, and, frankly, when he came to the U.S. he worked as a community organizer, which is a socialized structure.” [Fox News, 7/17/2012 (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/17/531231/romney-campaign-obama-cant-create-jobs-because-he-spent-his-early-years-in-hawaii-smoking-something/)]

– Obama doesn’t know how to be an American. During a conference call, Sununu claimed, “The men and women all over America who have worked hard to build these businesses, their businesses, from the ground up is how our economy became the envy of the world. It is the American way. And I wish this president would learn how to be an American.” [Conference call, 7/17/2012 (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/17/537131/how-romney-spent-all-day-calling-obama-a-foreigner/)]

– Obama is a lazy idiot. Sununu described Obama’s debate performance as “babbling,” “lazy,” and “disengaged,” and dismissed the possibility that he could do better in the future. “When you’re not that bright you can’t get better prepared.” [Fox News, 10/4/2012 (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/04/962501/romney-campaign-chair-on-obama-when-youre-not-that-bright-you-cant-get-better-prepared/)]

– Obama has no class, just wants to be cool. “That moment of using the B.S. word was kind of a self-defining moment for the president,” he told Sean Hannity. “No class, wants to be cool. Sacrifices the dignity of the presidency for appearing cool to a magazine that works for some of his base.” [Fox News, 10/25/2012 (http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/index.html)]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/26/1094491/john-sununus-history-of-racial-remarks-about-obama/

Repugs and right-wingers aren't racist, nah, never. They vote for the white man because the other guy is a lazy, unAmerican, pot-smoking, jive-ass cool black man.

Koolaid_Man

10-26-2012, 09:51 AM

It doesn't matter who I voted for in 2008. What proof do you have that you aren't Extra Stout, a Spurs fan masquerading as a Lakers fan?

Do you work for Bill O'reilly...The No Spin factor that's actually built on Spin....how do you know that Extra Stout wasn't a real Laker fan troll masquerading as Spur fan to befriend you ....only to turnaround and use the information you shared with him against you...:downspin:

Shit can get real deep..just ask Donald Trump :lol

Trill Clinton

10-26-2012, 10:17 AM

Koolaid_Man in here preaching that inconvenient truth:toast

Koolaid_Man

10-26-2012, 04:59 PM

I don't think you understand my point.

Btw, I would have voted for Powell over anyone who's run in the past 20 years.

and I would have voted for George Bush had he been black....:toast

AFBlue

10-26-2012, 06:43 PM

"Powell added he was pleased with the Obama administration's views on climate change, health care, immigration and education. As for the rising federal debt, he faulted Congress for failing to reach a "grand bargain" on a deficit-reduction plan."

So, he's good with everything on the Democratic platform. I would say his claim that he's a "moderate Republican" is ridiculous.

clambake

10-26-2012, 06:58 PM

eh, he just can't identify with the current crop of republicans.

only a fool can.

Borat Sagyidev

10-26-2012, 07:45 PM

Saying I don't like most black people is not the same as saying I hate black people. You just gained another stupidity point.

Ironic, considering you could die off today and only like white people more likeable.

Wild Cobra

10-26-2012, 07:49 PM

Ironic, considering you could die off today and only like white people more likeable.
I only like slightly more white people if I were to count by percentage. Did you miss the past statement that I also don't like most white people I meet?

Koolaid_Man

10-26-2012, 08:00 PM

I only like slightly more white people if I were to count by percentage. Did you miss the past statement that I also don't like most white people I meet?

Some where along the way someone mistakenly convinced you that your opinion matters or that you're important...like I tell all racists get in line, suck a BBC, and die.

Wild Cobra

10-26-2012, 08:03 PM

Some where along the way someone mistakenly convinced you that your opinion matters or that you're important...like I tell all racists get in line, suck a BBC, and die.
Well, I am not a racist. That is your bigoted view. Your opinion isn't that important, I just like to set the facts strait when possible.

Borat Sagyidev

10-26-2012, 08:12 PM

Well, I am not a racist. That is your bigoted view. Your opinion isn't that important, I just like to set the facts strait when possible.

http://img3.owned.com/media/images/9/8/1/6/9816/stealth_dog_540.jpg

AFBlue

10-26-2012, 08:59 PM

eh, he just can't identify with the current crop of republicans.

only a fool can.

He didn't just say that he can't agree with Republicans. He said he likes the president's position on a number of issues. That's a distinct and important difference, because the president would never be confused for a moderate Republican.

FuzzyLumpkins

10-26-2012, 11:12 PM

Well, I am not a racist. That is your bigoted view. Your opinion isn't that important, I just like to set the facts strait when possible.

You're not the judge of that. Everyone else labels you one as it's pretty obvious. You can think whatever you want.

DMX7

10-26-2012, 11:22 PM

Saying I don't like most black people is not the same as saying I hate black people. You just gained another stupidity point.

:rollin

Wild Cobra

10-26-2012, 11:41 PM

You're not the judge of that. Everyone else labels you one as it's pretty obvious. You can think whatever you want.
Do you realize how stupid your statement is?

I have on several times admitted I am not politically correct. That said, I like to flaunt that in others faces with my blunt statements. My desire to show their hypocritical bias and bigotry, is not my bigotry. It is yours, and theirs, for assuming bias in me that doesn't exist. And I purposely said things bluntly to add food to your bias. It wo5rks quite well. I get so many laughs over responses you guys come back with, proving your own bias, that takes anything a white guy says as racist. That is pathetically stupid.

I don't really care if you think I am a racist or not. Anyone who personally knows me knows better. After I say I don't like most black people, I say I also don't like most white people. However, those of you who like to play race games refuse to accept the addition. You only see what you want to see.

BRHornet45

10-26-2012, 11:45 PM

Colin "Piss Poor" Powell

FuzzyLumpkins

10-27-2012, 12:18 AM

Do you realize how stupid your statement is?

I have on several times admitted I am not politically correct. That said, I like to flaunt that in others faces with my blunt statements. My desire to show their hypocritical bias and bigotry, is not my bigotry. It is yours, and theirs, for assuming bias in me that doesn't exist. And I purposely said things bluntly to add food to your bias. It wo5rks quite well. I get so many laughs over responses you guys come back with, proving your own bias, that takes anything a white guy says as racist. That is pathetically stupid.

I don't really care if you think I am a racist or not. Anyone who personally knows me knows better. After I say I don't like most black people, I say I also don't like most white people. However, those of you who like to play race games refuse to accept the addition. You only see what you want to see.

So are you ever going to tell us the learning disability you were diagnosed with? Does it have to do with memory retention?

Politically correct? This is not about how you refer to people. This is about how you hate on people on the basis of race. I remember your comments about black people being untrustworthy, lazy, lowlife thugs and the like. I remember you saying they were poorly spoken and how you didn't like most of them. I haven't forgotten your proposals to sterilize the poor. This has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do withy our political and cultural views being eerily similar to the Nazi's.

that is not hyperbole either. and just because you don't like 'white people' does not mean 'not liking more black people' is not racist. Why not say you don't like shellfish? You are still holding negative views on people on the basis of race. It is what it is dimwit. Not liking most races means that you evaluate people on the basis of race and think terrible shit on the basis of that.

Now you say that you really did not mean those racist things and at the same time say that you had an addendum that somehow invalidates your racist comments but that again just points to your cowardice. You either pretend like we don't understand, try to ignore it for a month and then repeat your shit again a month later as to ignore the initial arguments or pull this 'I didn't mean it' crap. You might admit that you missed a decimal point but you will never ever sway off your ideological wishful thinking nonsense.

It's not just me that thinks it. It's readily apparent that you don't care what anyone thinks about you. Honestly, stalker, who backs you up? About once a week, I ask anyone on the board to back you up. Over the course of the last year since I have started doing that, not one single solitary individual has come to back you up. Now mouse trolled us the other day but even he when pressed about it would not back you up. He was egging us on.

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 12:29 AM

So are you ever going to tell us the learning disability you were diagnosed with? Does it have to do with memory retention?

I was never diagnosed with a learning disability.

Politically correct?
I an saying I am not politically correct. I don't concern myself too much about other people's frail (in)ability to cope with facts.

This is not about how you refer to people. This is about how you hate on people on the basis of race.
That is your biased opinion. now i will admit to pushing back against those who base things on race. I simply wish we could be colorblind, but liberals will not allow that. they always must make things about race, so i have fun with their stupidity in my own way.

I remember your comments about black people being untrustworthy, lazy, lowlife thugs and the like. I remember you saying they were poorly spoken and how you didn't like most of them. I haven't forgotten your proposals to sterilize the poor. This has nothing to do with political correctness and everything to do withy our political and cultural views being eerily similar to the Nazi's.

If you like, revise those threads. I will be glad to take you step by step of what I mean. I will be glad to shatter your bigoted assumption of me.

that is not hyperbole either. and just because you don't like 'white people' does not mean 'not liking more black people' is not racist.
It doesn't mean I am racist either. That is your own assumption, and an incorrect one at that.

Why not say you don't like shellfish? You are still holding negative views on people on the basis of race. It is what it is dimwit. Not liking most races means that you evaluate people on the basis of race and think terrible shit on the basis of that.

Again, your assumption.

Now you say that you really did not mean those racist things and at the same time say that you had an addendum that somehow invalidates your racist comments but that again just points to your cowardice.
I didn't know racial comments are the same as racist comments. Are they in your world? Don't you know the difference?

That's why I bring up the PC aspect. Only a politically correct individual would say a racial comment is the same as a racist comment.

It isn't...

I do not believe minorities are inferior. I do believe that culture shapes the character of people, of all races. I think it's sad that anyone lives in a culture that makes them white trash, or black trash. It's just a statistical fact that a larger percentage of minorities live under bad cultural conditions than whites.

You either pretend like we don't understand, try to ignore it for a month and then repeat your shit again a month later as to ignore the initial arguments or pull this 'I didn't mean it' crap. You might admit that you missed a decimal point but you will never ever sway off your ideological wishful thinking nonsense.

To me, it's obvious you do not understand. You keep repeating the same misconceptions over and over.

It's not just me that thinks it. It's readily apparent that you don't care what anyone thinks about you. Honestly, stalker, who backs you up? About once a week, I ask anyone on the board to back you up. Over the course of the last year since I have started doing that, not one single solitary individual has come to back you up. Now mouse trolled us the other day but even he when pressed about it would not back you up. He was egging us on.
And you think that matters? I don't.

clambake

10-27-2012, 01:01 AM

He didn't just say that he can't agree with Republicans. He said he likes the president's position on a number of issues. That's a distinct and important difference, because the president would never be confused for a moderate Republican.

can't wait to hear your description of a moderate republican. you know....a moderate republican thats running for president with the courage to say anything that might disturb his base.

you see, the current president has disturbed his base. does your candidate have the courage to do that?

FuzzyLumpkins

10-27-2012, 01:07 AM

So now not liking people when there black or thinking most black people are inarticulate lowlife thugs or that you cannot trust their educational merits is not racist all because you are misunderstood and that you don't like white people.

gmafb

clambake

10-27-2012, 01:14 AM

liberals have forced wc to hate blacks, lol

FuzzyLumpkins

10-27-2012, 01:16 AM

I was only responding in kind to the term "crazy white people."

What about the riots after the Rodney King incident? Do whites ever do such things?

Are you saying a large population of blacks don't get scare when someone talks about reducing social benefits?

Talking about more taxes on the productive is scary. Why should those who are productive subsidize those who aren't?

For me, it's not a black vs. white issue. It's a culture issue for me. The hard facts are simply that more black people fall into that social class that wants the government handouts.

Hispanics tend to accel rather well in this nation after a generation or two. They have work ethics. Blacks tend not to. Hatred of what happened in times of slavery seems to be the key reason they don't accel. The ones that get past the past, and actually use work ethics to build a better future, without letting their prejudices hold them back, do in fact accel.

The people to blame for holding blacks back are the likes of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc. They maintain the hatred. The make people believe it is the white man's fault instead of telling people to stand on their own two feet, and ignore what others say about limitation. Limitations are primarily in one's own mind. Sure, there are still some racists out there, but not enough to hold a good man down. Problem is, there are very good black men. Too many are petty and full of hatred, without having the capacity to strive past their own racial bias.

I'm not sure 70% is the right number, but I agree it's more than half the crimes, and what are they? something like 12% the population? Then they wonder why people are cautious around them.

Message to all the black leaders.

Lead your own people into being good citizens before complaining about us white people.

I say racism will always exist as long as the members of a particular race don't police their own actions.

The Jacksons and Sharptons of this world need to stop blaming the white man, and blame their own people for presenting themselves so poorly to the rest of us.

Very true. It's sad that so many black people want to rely on government instead of standing on their own two feet.

I understand. Since you haven't experienced it, it doesn't exist.

OK...
I wont argue with that, but do two wrongs make a right? That's often what affirmative action has done. To meet a quota system, higher qualified candidates would be bumped out of a slot to make racial quotas. I think that's been done away with, but it used to be the commonplace.
Well, in my experience, far more blacks speak poorly than white. Being in the Army for 11 years, I saw a good mix of people from all over. I say there's a significant difference.

How can you say someone should get preferred treatment based on race? Would it be right just to higher a black woman to fill a slot just to make a quota? If she's the best applicant, then yes. If she's not the best, it's a disservice to the person who is the best for the slot.

Here's something you can have fun with.

I don't like most black people. There are very few who I have met that grew up in a cultural setting I have any respect for. Most I have met are out right thugs, and lack integrity. I could say I don't like black people, but there are some exceptions. If I based all my decisions on statistics, I would stay clear of blacks.

Now if we go farther...

I don't like most police, lawyers, and liberals I meet. Several other classes of people I can add if I take a few moments to think about it.

Why is it I am called a racist when it deals with color, but normal dislikes when with other classifications of people?

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 01:24 AM

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 01:24 AM

liberals have forced wc to hate blacks, lol

It's simply amazing how stupid your assumptions can be.

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 01:25 AM

LOL...

Does anyone reading post #78 not think that Fuzzy obsesses over me?

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 01:30 AM

LOL...

Does anyone reading post #78 not think that Fuzzy obsesses over me?

At least he quoted me fairly though. Didn't give full context as to what i was replying to, but there is nothing racist in those words I said.

FuzzyLumpkins

10-27-2012, 01:31 AM

I have a memory. All I did was pull up that post i made the last time you pulled this 'I am not a racist' bullshit.

So you said:

If you like, revise those threads. I will be glad to take you step by step of what I mean. I will be glad to shatter your bigoted assumption of me.

Go for it, dimwit.

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 01:37 AM

I have a memory. All I did was pull up that post i made the last time you pulled this 'I am not a racist' bullshit.

So you said:

If you like, revive those threads. I will be glad to take you step by step of what I mean. I will be glad to shatter your bigoted assumption of me.

Go for it, dimwit.
You are the one obsessed. You quoted me correctly. What do you see that others don't?

FuzzyLumpkins

10-27-2012, 01:44 AM

You are the one obsessed. You quoted me correctly. What do you see that others don't?

Um... no it does sound like WC is making a blanket statement that blacks are lazy and lack integrity without the need of context.

Yes I believe that's what you believe. After seeing the quotes BY YOU that Fuzzy posted just reinforces that belief.

You shouldn't even be posting in this thread as racist as you are. Contrary to your belief, I'm a recent college grad with a well paying job. I have NEVER been fired from a job in my life and I started working at a young age.

And to that dumb ass quote about not seeing white people do things some impoverished black people do, when white people are being oppressed and profiled at the levels of blacks and hispanics, then you have an argument. until then shut up and thank your God that you where born white.

he can't own up to it. we can't provide him with courage like we did welfare.

It's more amazing that you are trying to justify and spin those racist quotes.

That was within a few hours the last time I posted it. I know people ranging from bb to cf all have recognized it as well. You are the only one that is denying it. Even CC laughed at me when I suggested he was defending you. Now why don't you make some racist claims about trill and creepn because they agree with the assessment?

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 01:49 AM

And that doesn't prove shit, especially since it is with people who are all combative with me.

Show me any factual reference you can say I made that is a racist statement.

Not racial, but racist.

Again... Do you have an understanding of the difference between racial and racist? I think you don't.

FuzzyLumpkins

10-27-2012, 01:51 AM

You are the one obsessed. You quoted me correctly. What do you see that others don't?

So they are not 'others?' They don't count? They are combative with you because they see the same shit about you as I do. I presented some 'others.' Can you quote one other person that agrees with your assessment that you are not racist? Just one?

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 01:54 AM

So they are not 'others?' They don't count? They are combative with you because they see the same shit about you as I do. I presented some 'others.' Can you quote one other person that agrees with your assessment that you are not racist? Just one?
I will admit to asking a bad question. Will you admit that all those who respond as you do, dislike me like in a similar manner as you do?

Could you, and their responses be bias... bigotry... hypocrisy... or something similar that requires substandard ethics?

FuzzyLumpkins

10-27-2012, 02:16 AM

I will admit to asking a bad question. Will you admit that all those who respond as you do, dislike me like in a similar manner as you do?

Could you, and their responses be bias... bigotry... hypocrisy... or something similar that requires substandard ethics?

I don't speak for others. I quote what they say. They all said they think you are racist. You're known for it.

Could you be racist?

Wild Cobra

10-27-2012, 02:47 AM

I don't speak for others. I quote what they say. They all said they think you are racist. You're known for it.

Could you be racist?
Well, once again, it is the PC induced misconception of what racism is. Not my fault you all fall for the leftist agenda.

Koolaid_Man

10-27-2012, 07:34 AM

AFBlue

10-27-2012, 09:55 AM

can't wait to hear your description of a moderate republican. you know....a moderate republican thats running for president with the courage to say anything that might disturb his base.

For the purpose of this argument, I don't have to give you a description beyond "not the current president." Is that something you're going to try to refute? The rest of your strawman isn't compelling enough to answer.

xrayzebra

10-27-2012, 10:23 AM

Koolaid_Man

10-27-2012, 12:43 PM

Why would anyone be surprised that Powell endorsed Obama, AGAIN! He goes with flow always has, always will. He claimed he was a Republican because Republicans were in power.
Now it's the Democrats and he is trying to pick what he hopes to be the winner.

His endorsement means squat anyhow, to most people. Black or White.

You could have been more succinct if you had the words "political expediency" in your vocabulary :lol

For your information sir...General Powell is a four-star Army General and the former Joint Chief of Staff of the United States Army. Please don't try (even if in vain) to malign his integrity. Bush lied to him as well as to us so he gave the ill fated UN speech. He knows the kind of leadership the country NEEDS in this hour. He has spoken: OBAMA/BIDEN is good for America – the country is in the right direction.

Koolaid_Man

10-27-2012, 12:52 PM

It wasn't the alternative. Do you think Powell's vote made that much of a difference? He came out after the election and endorsed Obama.

Black Vote Break Down:

Obama - 95%
John Kerry - 90%
Clinton - 88 %

Obama's historical candidacy notwithstanding this seems pretty consistent to me as long as you're a Dem...

resistanze

10-27-2012, 04:27 PM

Riddler

10-27-2012, 04:38 PM

boutons_deux

10-28-2012, 07:39 AM

AP-GFK poll shows US racism is alive and increasing.

http://surveys.ap.org/data/GfK/AP_Racial_Attitudes_Topline_09182012.pdf

Then Fox Repug network, always denying Fox and Repugs are dog-whistling racists, eg Sununu this weeks and his entire career, who love to deNIGRAte :lol Barry headlines AP:

AP Uses Online Poll To Claim Increased Racism In U.S.

http://nation.foxnews.com/racism-poll/2012/10/27/ap-uses-online-poll-claim-increased-racism-us#ixzz2Ab3UZuls

DMC

10-28-2012, 05:44 PM

Black Vote Break Down:

Obama - 95%
John Kerry - 90%
Clinton - 88 %

Obama's historical candidacy notwithstanding this seems pretty consistent to me as long as you're a Dem...

If we were talking about the black vote, you might have a point. We are talking about a life long Republican who served as SoS under one of the most far right conservatives of the past 50 years CRYING TEARS OF JOY over the election of the opposition. If you think that's just a black/DEM connection, you're not nearly as bright as Timvp made you out to be, ES.

So, like most of your watered down trolls, this one is a huge red herring.

boutons_deux

10-28-2012, 05:49 PM

"We are talking about a life long Republican who served as SoS under one of the most far right conservatives of the past 50 years"

and they betrayed and embarrassed him with faulty intelligence, which his team knew was bad but, good soldier, he went with it anyway.

Powell owes the Repug party not one nanogram of party fidelity, to say nothing of the 100Ks of US military and Iraqi deaths his UN presentation enabled.

DMC

10-28-2012, 06:01 PM

Al Gore - 90%

"It's because he's black :cry" is a pretty idiotic argument considering blacks overwhelmingly have supported Dems over the decades. It's even dumber considering 100% of whites from 1776 to 2008 voted for the white candidate and 100% of blacks voted for the white candidate from whenever-they-got-basic-human-rights-in-the-US to 2008.

Abstract thought seems to be a commodity around here.

Let me guide you back onto the ramp of enlightenment, grasshopper.

Black vote is a different topic.

Colin Powell has never represented the black vote. He's represented the GOP and says himself he's always been a republican and still is. That's not someone who follows the black vote. So, you have to take his endorsement (not his vote, but his endorsement) as something other than favoring the Democrat platform since their platform basically hasn't changed in comparison to the GOP. What has changed is that the candidate is now a black man, so it's reasonable to conclude then that were it a white man vs another white man, Powell would not have been emotionally shaken and it's therefore likely he wouldn't have endorsed the candidate then or now. He didn't endorse Bill Clinton and even said he wasn't a good fit for the JCS under that liberal administration. He campaigned for McCain and Bush 43. Hardly a stereotypical black voter (however that goes). However, he did endorse Obama who's arguably more liberal than Bill Clinton. The only difference, and as indicated by his emotional display, was that Obama is a black man and there is historical significance in electing the first black president.

I have not called Powell a racist, however to endorse someone who goes against your long held beliefs simply because he's of the same race would be called racism were it anyone else.

Spin that.

DMC

10-28-2012, 06:08 PM

Do you work for Bill O'reilly...The No Spin factor that's actually built on Spin....how do you know that Extra Stout wasn't a real Laker fan troll masquerading as Spur fan to befriend you ....only to turnaround and use the information you shared with him against you...:downspin:

Shit can get real deep..just ask Donald Trump :lol
I don't care who ES is. You are ES. Beyond that is irrelevant.

BTW, it's "The Factor" and I don't watch political talk shows.

resistanze

10-28-2012, 06:36 PM

Abstract thought seems to be a commodity around here.

Let me guide you back onto the ramp of enlightenment, grasshopper.

Black vote is a different topic.

Colin Powell has never represented the black vote. He's represented the GOP and says himself he's always been a republican and still is. That's not someone who follows the black vote. So, you have to take his endorsement (not his vote, but his endorsement) as something other than favoring the Democrat platform since their platform basically hasn't changed in comparison to the GOP. What has changed is that the candidate is now a black man, so it's reasonable to conclude then that were it a white man vs another white man, Powell would not have been emotionally shaken and it's therefore likely he wouldn't have endorsed the candidate then or now. He didn't endorse Bill Clinton and even said he wasn't a good fit for the JCS under that liberal administration. He campaigned for McCain and Bush 43. Hardly a stereotypical black voter (however that goes). However, he did endorse Obama who's arguably more liberal than Bill Clinton. The only difference, and as indicated by his emotional display, was that Obama is a black man and there is historical significance in electing the first black president.

I have not called Powell a racist, however to endorse someone who goes against your long held beliefs simply because he's of the same race would be called racism were it anyone else.

Spin that.
Nothing requires spinning, really. Your position is based on your own conjecture that isn't substantiated by any fact except that you feel it is so.

If you choose not to take Powell's several reasons stated in the article for supporting Obama at face value, that's fine and totally up to you. But you have no evidence Powell is supporting it's because Obama is half-black. You're essentially playing the same race card I'm sure you'd be quick to point out if a black person claimed 'racism' or 'racial bias' against a white person in a situation without any evidence.

DMC

10-28-2012, 06:47 PM

Nothing requires spinning, really. Your position is based on your own conjecture that isn't substantiated by any fact except that you feel it is so.

I laid it out clearly. I could get a prosecution in a court case if the jury understood the "beyond a reasonable doubt" concept. If you can tell a scenario where someone might cry tears of joy for the opposition, then come out and endorse them before they've done a single thing to show their abilities, and that opposition isn't racially connected, then I will reconsider.

If you choose not to take Powell's several reasons stated in the article for supporting Obama at face value, that's fine and totally up to you. But you have no evidence Powell is supporting it's because Obama is half-black. You're essentially playing the same race card I'm sure you'd be quick to point out if a black person claimed 'racism' or 'racial bias' against a white person in a situation without any evidence.

You're ignoring the fact that he endorsed Obama before Obama did anything after the first election. He was riding the wave of Nobel Peace Prize for being black. He also cried tears of joy after Obama was elected in 2008. That pretty much takes a shit on the reasons he continued to endorse him.

In fact, explain briefly why Powell cried when Obama won.

resistanze

10-28-2012, 06:52 PM

Yes, you've laid out clearly. You reject Powell's stated reasons for supporting Obama and would rather go with your own conjecture based on your preoccupation with skin color.

Keep playing the race card.

DMC

10-28-2012, 06:55 PM

Why did Powell cry when Obama won?

resistanze

10-28-2012, 07:03 PM

I'm guessing he was happy. I think white people cried in 2008 too.

DMC

10-28-2012, 07:04 PM

I'm guessing he was happy. I think white people cried in 2008 too.

Why was he happy? I didn't cry.

resistanze

10-28-2012, 07:09 PM

Good thing no one said you cried. Many people did though.

DMC

10-28-2012, 07:10 PM

Good thing no one said you cried. Many people did though.

You're being evasive and dancing around answering the question. Are you afraid to say "because Obama was the first black president"?

btw, I am a white person.

So why was Powell happy that Obama won to the point of crying about it if it wasn't about the historical significance for the black race?

George Gervin's Afro

10-28-2012, 07:15 PM

so Powell states his case...and some are calling him a liar.. without any facts just their opinion...

resistanze

10-28-2012, 07:17 PM

You're being evasive and dancing around answering the question. Are you afraid to say "because Obama was the first black president"?

btw, I am a white person.

So why was Powell happy that Obama won to the point of crying about it if it wasn't about the historical significance for the black race?
Not really, you're off on a tangent. Powell says he's voting Obama for the reasons stated in the OP. You reject his reasons stated above and have come up with your own based on race, something you cannot prove. You're playing the race card.

Why Powell or anyone else was crying in 2008 is irrelevant to your argument. One can even be emotional about Obama being the first black president and also vote for him due to policy reasons - the two are not mutually exclusive. So really, what is your point?

DMC

10-28-2012, 07:25 PM

Not really, you're off on a tangent. Powell says he's voting Obama for the reasons stated in the OP. You reject his reasons stated above and have come up with your own based on race, something you cannot prove. You're playing the race card.

That's a cop out. I haven't played any race card and you're not even using that term correctly. Powell showed he was ready to endorse a guy who had done nothing as president, so why does it matter why he continues to endorse the same guy? Once a standard has been set, all else is just words on paper.

Why Powell or anyone else was crying in 2008 is irrelevant to your argument. One can even be emotional about Obama being the first black president and also vote for him due to policy reasons - the two are not mutually exclusive. So really, what is your point?
Now you're just floundering on the issue. I don't have the desire to find creative words to force you to admit that Powell cried because finally a black man was voted to be the POTUS. It had nothing to do with his policy. Generals don't cry because of the policy of a president-elect. It was because of the color of his skin. To argue otherwise is dishonest, and though you might attach a caveat of "the historical significance for the nation, not just the black people" that does not explain endorsement without a single act as president.

Once we've established that Powell will (did) endorse someone of the opposite party without them having done anything as POTUS, we can totally dismiss his reasons for continuing to endorse even if they are true. He did not need those reasons in 2008 yet endorsement was given so there was already a standard that Obama met for endorsement according to Colin Powell. Can you tell me what that standard was if it wasn't the color of his skin?

Sure you can say Obama had policies that Powell agreed with, but then why did Powell wait until Obama won before he endorsed him? Was he unaware of the policies? You can say that McCain's policies were too aggressive but then why did Powell campaign for McCain before? Why did Powell campaign for GWB who's policies were much more aggressive than McCain's?

You're running out of room here.

DMC

10-28-2012, 07:28 PM

so Powell states his case...and some are calling him a liar.. without any facts just their opinion...

You haven't read the thread obviously. Why did Powell endorse Obama in 2008?

George Gervin's Afro

10-28-2012, 07:34 PM

You haven't read the thread obviously. Why did Powell endorse Obama in 2008?

I will go on a limb and sya it wasn't because he was black. I will give Colin Powell the benefit of the doubt.

DMC

10-28-2012, 07:37 PM

I will go on a limb and sya it wasn't because he was black. I will give Colin Powell the benefit of the doubt.

You didn't didn't answer the question. Why did Powell endorse Obama. Both of you have skirted answering that.

Are you saying that Powell's endorsement and the fact he cried when Obama won are unrelated? Do you honestly believe that? Because if you do, what you're saying is that Powell wanted Obama to win but didn't want him to win.

resistanze

10-28-2012, 07:38 PM

It's not a cop out just because you say so. I'm sorry, that's just the facts of what's being arguing. I'm taking Powell's comments at face value you're not, but your position is conjecture.

I would check your facts regarding Powell endorsing Obama in 2008. He came out well before Obama won and gave several reasons why he was supporting Obama and not McCain (similarly like how he did in this article).

DUNCANownsKOBE

10-28-2012, 07:42 PM

DMC

10-28-2012, 07:53 PM

It's not a cop out just because you say so. I'm sorry, that's just the facts of what's being arguing. I'm taking Powell's comments at face value you're not, but your position is conjecture.

You've totally gone tits up on this issue. You have no intention of honestly answering my questions. I see no reason to even discuss this with you since you just keep arguing ad naueum.

Well before? Middle of October.

The former SoS was not required to endorse either candidate. He switched sides once he saw that Obama was probably going to win. He didn't want to be crying tears of joy without publicly showing support before hand. He's a tactician after all.

It's amazing how any of you take a politician (which he is) at face value when it suits your argument. What you haven't even begun to address is why he cried. That actually tilts the scales.

DMC

10-28-2012, 07:53 PM

Only reason anyone could endorse Obama is cause he's black!

Colin Powell's dissatisfaction with the GOP has been evident dating back to him bouncing himself from the Bush administration. He'd be endorsing the candidate who's the least like Bush regardless of the candidate's skin color.

Then why did he donate the maximum amount to senator McCain's campaign in 2007?

If you cried when he won the first time, you likely did so because he's the 1st black president. He also won the peace prize for basically be elected as a black man so the wave wasn't solely isolated to Powell.

DUNCANownsKOBE

10-28-2012, 07:55 PM

Then why did he donate the maximum amount to senator McCain's campaign in 2007?

Probably cause he thought he was getting the moderate McCain who ran in 2000, then McCain suddenly became a neo-conservative bible thumper who picked Sarah Palin as his VP.

Why do you think he left the Bush administration?

DMC

10-28-2012, 07:59 PM

Probably cause he thought he was getting the moderate McCain who ran in 2000, then McCain suddenly became a neo-conservative bible thumper who picked Sarah Palin as his VP.

Why do you think he left the Bush administration?

Because Andy Card asked him to resign.

resistanze

10-28-2012, 07:59 PM

Is Mid-October after the election like you stated? Did he not give reasons why he was voting for Obama in 2008, contrary to what you said?

I can believe that politicians are often dishonest without accepting your position based on conjecture. I don't have to accept Powell voted for Obama because he's black, just because politicians lie. I'm taking what he said at face value because there is no acceptable evidence that would cause me to reject his personal stated reasons for voting for a particular candidate. But you're right, this is getting silly.

DUNCANownsKOBE

10-28-2012, 08:01 PM

Because Andy Card asked him to resign.
:lol

DMC

10-28-2012, 08:03 PM

Is Mid-October after the election like you stated? Did he not give reasons why he was voting for Obama in 2008, contrary to what you said?

When you answer my question as to why he cried, we can move forward. I see you want to participate when you feel you have an upper hand.

I can believe that politicians are often dishonest without accepting your position based on conjecture. I don't have to accept Powell voted for Obama because he's black, just because politicians lie. I'm taking what he said at face value because there is no acceptable evidence that would cause me to reject his personal stated reasons for voting for a particular candidate. But you're right, this is getting silly.
Explain why he cried. You've ignored that as you cherry pick things to respond to.

DMC

10-28-2012, 08:05 PM

:lol

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/27/AR2006092700106.html

ChumpDumper

10-28-2012, 09:27 PM

Why was he happy? I didn't cry.Obviously you were unhappy.

Why were you so unhappy?

DMC

10-28-2012, 09:32 PM

Obviously you were unhappy.

Why were you so unhappy?

I voted for Obama.

ChumpDumper

10-28-2012, 09:35 PM

I voted for Obama.But you're not black. Therefore, you couldn't be happy.

DMC

10-28-2012, 10:17 PM

But you're not black. Therefore, you couldn't be happy.

You're useless outside of snippets of pithy remarks. When you grow a pair and want to answer the question "why did Powell cry tears of joy when Obama won in 2008?" let me know.

I've never seen so many different people interject then cower in fear of a simple question.

ChumpDumper

10-29-2012, 02:34 AM

You're useless outside of snippets of pithy remarks. When you grow a pair and want to answer the question "why did Powell cry tears of joy when Obama won in 2008?" let me know.

I've never seen so many different people interject then cower in fear of a simple question.You mean like how you cowered when you were asked?

I can't answer for another man.

You could answer for yourself, if you were a man.

DMC

10-29-2012, 07:57 AM

You mean like how you cowered when you were asked?

I can't answer for another man.

You could answer for yourself, if you were a man.
I did answer.

ChumpDumper

10-29-2012, 11:07 AM

I did answer.You didn't say why you were unhappy. There's no way you could be happy because you're not black.

Your logic.

George Gervin's Afro

10-29-2012, 02:53 PM

You didn't didn't answer the question. Why did Powell endorse Obama. Both of you have skirted answering that.

Are you saying that Powell's endorsement and the fact he cried when Obama won are unrelated? Do you honestly believe that? Because if you do, what you're saying is that Powell wanted Obama to win but didn't want him to win.

what ? maybe powell thought Obama was the better man to lead the country. once obama won powell creid because he never thougt in his life time that a man of color would win the Presidency. Since you can't answer your own question without guessing I will go with the above.

boutons_deux

10-29-2012, 03:53 PM

Powell cried tears of joy that the Reign of Error by the assholes in the WH he worked for was finally over.

DMC

10-29-2012, 06:00 PM

what ? maybe powell thought Obama was the better man to lead the country. once obama won powell creid because he never thougt in his life time that a man of color would win the Presidency. Since you can't answer your own question without guessing I will go with the above.

Great let's move forward with this "man of color" thing.

Since Powell cried for that reason, it must be because a "man of color" did win the Presidency, which then stands to reason that Powell was happy to see that. That being the case, it stands to reason that Powell wanted Obama to win. That being the case, it stands to reason that at least part of the reason Powell voted for/endorsed Obama is because he was a "man of color".

DMC

10-29-2012, 06:02 PM

You didn't say why you were unhappy. There's no way you could be happy because you're not black.

Your logic.

No, your inability to argue effectively which leads to your little pithy remark tantrum. Your bad analogy is only overshadowed by your refusal to actually provide honest answers.

The rational mind can easily conclude that "happy" and "crying tears of joy" are on two completely different levels. I am happy to be alive. I cried tears of joy when my grandson was born. The first is just a state of satisfaction, but the second is a state of elation. The word "happy" gets falsely equivocated (as you have done) with "ecstatic" so that the reciprocal is sad. You can be content and not be overjoyed. Some people consider happy to mean content. Whatever makes you happy. I think you know damn well that Colin Powell cried because a milestone was reached in the black community. That milestone had to be on his mind during his decision to endorse Obama and during his vote. Otherwise you're suggesting it surprised him.

ChumpDumper

10-29-2012, 06:13 PM

No, your inability to argue effectively which leads to your little pithy remark tantrum. Your bad analogy is only overshadowed by your refusal to actually provide honest answers.I answered quickly and honestly. That my answer made U mad is not my problem.

The rational mind can easily conclude that "happy" and "crying tears of joy" are on two completely different levels. I am happy to be alive. I cried tears of joy when my grandson was born. The first is just a state of satisfaction, but the second is a state of elation. The word "happy" gets falsely equivocated (as you have done) with "ecstatic" so that the reciprocal is sad. You can be content and not be overjoyed. Some people consider happy to mean content. Whatever makes you happy. I think you know damn well that Colin Powell cried because a milestone was reached in the black community. That milestone had to be on his mind during his decision to endorse Obama and during his vote. Otherwise you're suggesting it surprised him.I'm suggesting you are completely free and seemingly eager to ascribe to Powell whatever your bias compels you to.

You are free to be angry about its being pointed out by me to, as you are so clearly doing.