Lakers problems, tbh..

[Malik Hairston]

- Trying too hard to implement their new offense..

- Nash is a role player in this offense, he was invisible..

- They're going to Gasol too much..

- Howard lacks explosion, thus limiting his defensive ability..other than Metta, the rest of their defensive players are mediocre or worse..they won't be able to stop anybody without Howard's super athleticism..

- Their bench is still terrible..

Fixable issues?..

[Clipper Nation]

- Can't shoot free throws (Dwight's always sucked at those)

- Too many egos

- No bench and not that many great role players left to sign

[ElNono]

Fixing Howard's free throw shooting should be priority, IMO... he was abysmal tonight... he shoots 75% and it's a close game

[lefty]

Still shitty D at the PG position

[Malik Hairston]

Nash's numbers look Fisher-esque, tbh..

[lefty]

They can't flop anymore

[Venti Quattro]

Nash is getting abused on defense
Freethrow shooting is terrible

[midnightpulp]

Nash is getting abused on defense
Freethrow shooting is terrible

According to superfan Cobbler, Nash is an all world defender compared to Sessions and Fisher.

[IronMaxipad]

Dat Princeton Offense.

[Venti Quattro]

Dat Princeton Offense.

aka mask for Mike and Eddie's inability to coach.

[Malik Hairston]

A healthy and explosive Howard would negate some of Nash's defensive deficiencies, tbh..

Howard's defense was well below par tonight, Lakers D will struggle until he recovers his explosiveness..

[InRareForm]

Blake had more assists tonight lol

[Tuddy]

No point

[TD 21]

- Trying too hard to implement their new offense..

- Nash is a role player in this offense, he was invisible..

- They're going to Gasol too much..

- Howard lacks explosion, thus limiting his defensive ability..other than Metta, the rest of their defensive players are mediocre or worse..they won't be able to stop anybody without Howard's super athleticism..

- Their bench is still terrible..

Fixable issues?..

- If they don't, they'll get criticized for essentially ignoring the coaching staff. I'd give this some time. It's easy to blame Brown and act as if he's over thinking this, but when you have four stars of that magnitude, you want something that's equal opportunity, so that none feel slighted.

- I'd also give Howard some time. But if he can't regain full explosiveness/athleticism, then they can forget about winning a championship.

- The bench is laughable. First and foremost, they need a 3D SF. Pietrus and Richardson aren't great options, but they beat playing Jamison out of position or playing Ebanks period.

This is going to be a season long work in progress, which is why I always had them as the 3 seed and under 60 wins.

[m>s]

nash is a good player in a run-and-gun system but he's a terrible fit for a system like lakers, who only scored like 8pts on fast breaks tonight (including 4pts scored in garbage time), nash is neutralized playing halfcourt offense imho

[purplengold]

found it funny Kobe got no freethrow, yeh Dwight gotta fix that shit n his form changed so imma guessing he gotta get use ta it. Kobe n gasol was beasting n the team was moving the ball, playing good D to start. from what it look, the team just gotta gel

like I say in the beginning, lakers gon have a slow start. This a new team, got new egos, new pick n roll players, new bench, etc etc etc. like heat play like shit for half a season when they formed, new laker team gon spend half the season figuring themselves out.

What be promising tho is Pau look like he exit his slump, Dwight lookin healthy n kobe was efficient. What not good is bench seemed lost n Nash dunno his role in da team I think

[Venti Quattro]

What be promising tho is Pau look like he exit his slump

crofl Eddy Curry took his lunch and his money

[purplengold]

crofl Eddy Curry took his lunch and his money

he did aiight, not efficient but 13rbs n 6ast wit 2to n 3blks is a good sign. Pau wasn't bein a soft bitch at least n that what been givin us trouble since 11 season

[m>s]

found it funny Kobe got no freethrow, yeh Dwight gotta fix that shit n his form changed so imma guessing he gotta get use ta it. Kobe n gasol was beasting n the team was moving the ball, playing good D to start. from what it look, the team just gotta gel

like I say in the beginning, lakers gon have a slow start. This a new team, got new egos, new pick n roll players, new bench, etc etc etc. like heat play like shit for half a season when they formed, new laker team gon spend half the season figuring themselves out.

What be promising tho is Pau look like he exit his slump, Dwight lookin healthy n kobe was efficient. What not good is bench seemed lost n Nash dunno his role in da team I think
just hope they can fit into a team soon enough to steal one or two rings from miami's cabinet before kobe completely turns $-collecting mode tbh.

[purplengold]

just hope they can fit into a team soon enough to steal one or two rings from miami's cabinet before kobe completely turns $-collecting mode tbh.

iunno we gotta see this team ceiling to talk bout stealing brons cookies. afta allstar we gonna know if this team finals bound. Dwight still gettin to playing form, Nash gotta adjust to runnin this team. we see if they make the projected impact they should.

imma concern over coaching because the team currently raw, it need direction n that what Nash #1 priority is

[racm]

The Lakers' biggest problem is that Pau Gasol was their best player.

Of course, when Pau WAS their best player, they rang, tbh, fwiw, imo

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Mike Brown turned Steve Nash into a spot up shooter. I was getting indignant for Nash especially when the Mavericks left him wide open and Peace, Kobe, et al are trying to chuck contested shots.

I mean let's get one of the best PG ever who excels at pnr and fast break sets and let's run that offense? Brown coached with Popovich during the era where it was all 4 down and pnr with Parker/Manu. Hmmm. pnr roll with Kobe or Nash along with postups to Gasol and Howard? Brown won championships with the template with the Spurs. Howard ran about a billion pnr sets with Nelson.

Brown is the Laker's problem. I don't give a shit how shitty Nash is on defense. there is no excuse for that.

[intlspurshk]

Heat has similar problem when the LB joined. No need to over-emphasize the outcome of one game. Nevertheless, as a SPURS fan, I pray Mike Brown stays with the head coach of the Lakers forever.

[Horry For 3!]

I knew it would come back to bite them, they have no bench what so ever.

[wanggi]

As what I mentioned, the Lakers will find out that Howard isn't better than Bynum.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

IMO they should bring Nash off the bench. He can still be in during the 4th quarter and close games out, but that way he'll play a bigger role when he's in and will largely help the ineptitude of their bench. He and Jamison should be enough to make their 2nd unit respectable.

[Josepatches_]

Mike Brown turned Steve Nash into a spot up shooter. I was getting indignant for Nash especially when the Mavericks left him wide open and Peace, Kobe, et al are trying to chuck contested shots.

I mean let's get one of the best PG ever who excels at pnr and fast break sets and let's run that offense?

So Kobe will be a spot up shooter. Same problem. Kobe needs the ball in his hands. It's his game. And that's the way Kobe got his rings. Nash has none being the main guy so the choice is obvious.

Nash is not the PG the Lakers need but we knew it.

Bring him off the bench to run the second unit could help.

[Josepatches_]

As what I mentioned, the Lakers will find out that Howard isn't better than Bynum.

The biggest problem will be if he's not more healthy than Bynum

[colargol]

When your Centers are 4/20 FT you are in trouble

[Seventyniner]

just hope they can fit into a team soon enough to steal one or two rings from miami's cabinet before kobe completely turns $-collecting mode tbh.

Kobe's been in $-collecting mode his entire career. I don't think he's ever taken a penny less than the absolute max the CBA allowed.

Edit: at least recently. I don't know if he got maxed out early in his career.


IMO they should bring Nash off the bench. He can still be in during the 4th quarter and close games out, but that way he'll play a bigger role when he's in and will largely help the ineptitude of their bench. He and Jamison should be enough to make their 2nd unit respectable.

If their backup PGs were anything better than a rotting pile of crap I might agree. Blake really is bad enough to drag down the whole starting lineup, though. For now, the Lakers will just have to play their starters 36+ min each to mitigate the damage caused by their own bench.

[Raven]

- If they don't, they'll get criticized for essentially ignoring the coaching staff. I'd give this some time. It's easy to blame Brown and act as if he's over thinking this, but when you have four stars of that magnitude, you want something that's equal opportunity, so that none feel slighted.

- I'd also give Howard some time. But if he can't regain full explosiveness/athleticism, then they can forget about winning a championship.

- The bench is laughable. First and foremost, they need a 3D SF. Pietrus and Richardson aren't great options, but they beat playing Jamison out of position or playing Ebanks period.

This is going to be a season long work in progress, which is why I always had them as the 3 seed and under 60 wins.

:tu

[Raven]

As what I mentioned, the Lakers will find out that Howard isn't better than Bynum.

he's far better, only problem is that last year's bynum wasn't the real bynum and yet they sucked big time anyway..

[Dex]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers-mavericks-sider-20121031,0,5316293.story


"It is frustrating a little bit because I feel like we're thinking too much instead of playing," Nash said of adjusting to a new offense after spending the last eight seasons with the Phoenix Suns. "At the same time, we don't have the confidence just to play. We're not totally confident in where we're going. But we've grown a lot. We've come a long way with it and we'll get better with it."

:cry Nash isn't having fun anymore. :cry

[da_suns_fan]

- Four of their starters are 32 or older.

- Kobe is too difficult of a personality to coach for anyone not name Phil Jackson, Pat Riley or Greg Popovic.

- Metta World Peace is an idiot. Just substract 5 possessions for the Lakers every night for all the terrible shots he takes.

It doesnt matter what "offense" they run. Three of the starters will always look to Kobe on every possession while MWP will do something dumb.

[Raven]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers-mavericks-sider-20121031,0,5316293.story



:cry Nash isn't having fun anymore. :cry

he will once he finds out just how much money he stole to the lakers..

[da_suns_fan]

The "Nash having fun" quote is being taken completely out of context.

He was comparing team under Terry Porter (worst coach in Suns history) and Shaq WHEN THEY WERE LOSING versus D'Antoni years.

[TimmehC]

Should've replaced Mike Brown with someone that can coach offense, while Nash is still mobile.

[Findog]

Best defense against Steve Nash is taking the ball out of his hands and chaining him in a slow-pace half-court offense. He looked positively Steve Blake-esque out there. Enjoy Lakers fans.

[Banzai]

Steve Blake Nash tbh...a great player being held back by Potato Head and his toppings of chives, sour cream, butter, salt, pepper.

[Clipper Nation]

Steve Blake Nash tbh...a great player being held back by Kobe's need to control the ball and get his shots.

fify

[purplengold]

fify

'sup Stacy? You watch the game? Prolly not because Kobe shot 11/14 n had zero FTs which means he was playin as da 3rd option. You tryna say he shouldnt shoot at all?

[024]

you can surround dwight howard with trash and that team will still win one or two rounds in the playoffs. orlando has been doing it for years. nash, on the other hand, is done. i don't know why lakerfan was creaming in his pants after getting nash. dude will be 39 years old at the time of the playoffs. watching him try to guard chris paul or westbrook will be hilarious. but again, lucky the lakers have DPOY candidate dwight howard. gasol is no slouch on shot blocking either. lakers just need to find an identity and just stick with it.

[Banzai]

fify

regardless I don't think Nash would play any better even if kobe took less shots. Guess we'll never know.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I saw 3 or 4 pnr with Nash that game. I am not saying that Nash needs to dominate the ball every possession but if you are not going to at least play to his strengths a little bit then why have him out there?

[Venti Quattro]

The Lakers still have time to fix their problems but time is ticking on them to fire Mike Brown.

[purplengold]

The Lakers still have time to fix their problems but time is ticking on them to fire Mike Brown.

who can replace brown tho? the team need somebody good wit ego management

[ElNono]

tbh, you can't even pin the bad D on Nash this time around... 90 pts in 3 quarters... You have to start thinking if that old team is going to have problems in back-to-back nights

[InRareForm]

injuries/health already an issue