Were we wrong about Harden?

[siraulo23]

iguodala shut him down

[Latarian Milton]

idiots who thought i was wrong about harden are actually wrong about the beard nigga tbh

[ambchang]

Man, did LM got his wife stolen by an Asian? Such blinded hate towards one race, I thought I was reading commentary from a 'Nam vet in 1983.

[purplengold]

he 2 fo 4 now Ina good games. anybody still thinkin first two games been enough ta say he gon be a superstar?

nah I didn't think so. now y'all watch him play few dozen mo games before jackin off ta harden

[Latarian Milton]

Man, did LM got his wife stolen by an Asian? Such blinded hate towards one race, I thought I was reading commentary from a 'Nam vet in 1983.
tbh i'd thank the asian that stole my wife away if that truly happened because that would enable me to get out of the trap called marriage w/o getting financially fucked tbh

[ambchang]

So your wife is Asian?

[ambchang]

Harden is what Harden does, he is not Jordan reincarnated, he is not even Kobe or Drexler reincarnated. What he is though is a crafty playmaker who can score when called upon, and is a borderline max-level player would could lead a playoff team, or a fantastic 2nd option on a championship level team.

The trade hurts OKC during their championship window years, and potentially hurts Houston financially if Harden fails to improve. That said, Harden has shown consistent improvement up to this point, and it's a good bet for the Rockets. If Harden can become a 20/5/5 player with a level of consistency and efficiency, the Rockets win for sure, and Harden is worth the max. However, if Harden becomes an inconsistent, inefficient player, putting up numbers he did last year with OKC, then he is not the max, but Houston still comes up on tops in the trade column.

[pass1st]

What happened to all the rocket fans who suddenly started posting when Rockets got Harden?

[Trainwreck2100]

What happened to all the rocket fans who suddenly started posting when Rockets got Harden?

they got limp due to preejaculation

[pass1st]

Figured, Harden has 3 bad games and they run away. Give the beard some time ya fucks.

[Reck]

Figured, Harden has 3 bad games and they run away. Give the beard some time ya fucks.

Its just evening out. Whoever thought Harden would keep this up was either delusional or...delusional.

He's going to stabilize at around 15-18 points per game from now on.

[Malik Hairston]

:lol Iguodala and Allen are the 2 best defensive role players in the NBA, they have shut down many star players..

It's evening out in the sense that he won't score 30 a game, but only an idiot believes he's going to peak at 15-18 per game(not surprising that Shadowflames said it, tbh)..

[Spurs da champs]

:lol Iguodala and Allen are the 2 best defensive role players in the NBA, they have shut down many star players..

It's evening out in the sense that he won't score 30 a game, but only an idiot believes he's going to peak at 15-18 per game(not surprising that Shadowflames said it, tbh)..
If he was legit he'd torch them.

Talk about back to earth.

[FkLA]

:lol Iguodala and Allen are the 2 best defensive role players in the NBA, they have shut down many star players..

It's evening out in the sense that he won't score 30 a game, but only an idiot believes he's going to peak at 15-18 per game(not surprising that Shadowflames said it, tbh)..

:tu

[Reck]

:lol Iguodala and Allen are the 2 best defensive role players in the NBA, they have shut down many star players..

It's evening out in the sense that he won't score 30 a game, but only an idiot believes he's going to peak at 15-18 per game(not surprising that Shadowflames said it, tbh)..

Time will tell faggot.

As they face more than adequate teams that can actually play some defense his numbers will drop dramatically.

Who are you again?

[noob cake]

2nd seed on lock still

[thunderfan]

OKC is easily as good with Martin as they were with Harden. It's a different look for sure, but Martin is gonna work. The question is - will Westbrook do his job? That's iffy sometimes.

[thunderfan]

I think judging any player on 4-5 games is a little stupid. He's in a new role. Get a bigger sample of games and then decide.

[Brazil]

ST :lol 2 great games Harden is for real, going to dominate, 2 bad games Harden is a scrub, I told u all

[Raven]

2nd seed on lock still

not sure if you mean from top to bottom or the other way...

[purplengold]

this shit got quiet

[baseline bum]

???? Dude is still averaging 24 a game.

[pass1st]

???? Dude is still averaging 24 a game.

With 4 TOs per game and 42/20% FG/3pt%, it's not really a good 24ppg. He's playing worse than Kobe did last season, but He will probably have some bomb games and sleep on 45-47%.....hopefully for rocketfans sake :lol

Edit- more like 43/28%, thought I saw a zero instead of an 8 :lol

[DAF86]

Didn't he get injured or something?

[pass1st]

Didn't he get injured or something?

Has the flu, it seems

[baseline bum]

With 4 TOs per game and 42/20% FG/3pt%, it's not really a good 24ppg. He's playing worse than Kobe did last season, but He will probably have some bomb games and sleep on 45-47%.....hopefully for rocketfans sake :lol

Edit- more like 43/28%, thought I saw a zero instead of an 8 :lol

But I would have still given Kobe a max contract at the salary and years Harden was eligible for if he wasn't old as fuck now.

[pass1st]

But I would have still given Kobe a max contract at the salary and years Harden was eligible for if he wasn't old as fuck now.

It's paying for potential, a pretty big risk considering Rox want to hype Harden up as a star so they can attract a big name to form their own big 3 with Harden & Lin(:lol)

[baseline bum]

It's paying for potential, a pretty big risk considering Rox want to hype Harden up as a star so they can attract a big name to form their own big 3 with Harden & Lin(:lol)

If we were talking those huge 7 year deals like Allan Houston and Eddie Jones got back in the day, then he wouldn't be worth it, but now the max contract has gone way down to the point Harden is easily worth the current max based on the player he is today, potential disregarded.

[pass1st]

If we were talking those huge 7 year deals like Allan Houston and Eddie Jones got back in the day, then he wouldn't be worth it, but now the max contract has gone way down to the point Harden is easily worth the current max based on the player he is today, potential disregarded.

But if he doesn't really shine then that puts a monkey wrench in the Rox's plans and sets them back. harden is worth it for his play, he'll eventually fix his shooting %, but will he give the team appeal to sign somebody like Tyreke? I really don't see a big draw to Rockets with teams like Lakers coming off the books with Pau & Kobe soon after next season, Nets possibly becoming a high in demand team to be traded to, OKC shedding Kmart next season I think and with Irving coming up Cavs might have a strong draw even if their city is shit.

To me, his contract is a bust unless he can get the interest of a top FA in '13 or '14. Houston isn't really in the top 5 destination list for a lot of players :lol

[Raven]

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[TDMVPDPOY]

2nd seed in the west still up for grabs right?

[Raven]

houston has to be thrilled with they'r deal, they got a great player and still managed to be terrible... with a top 3 pick in the next draft and another max player they could be set for years to come..

[djohn2oo8]

But if he doesn't really shine then that puts a monkey wrench in the Rox's plans and sets them back. harden is worth it for his play, he'll eventually fix his shooting %, but will he give the team appeal to sign somebody like Tyreke? I really don't see a big draw to Rockets with teams like Lakers coming off the books with Pau & Kobe soon after next season, Nets possibly becoming a high in demand team to be traded to, OKC shedding Kmart next season I think and with Irving coming up Cavs might have a strong draw even if their city is shit.

To me, his contract is a bust unless he can get the interest of a top FA in '13 or '14. Houston isn't really in the top 5 destination list for a lot of players :lol

The Rockets won't add a big time player through free agency. It'll be through trade. And how could he set them back? He's only 23. He's a well respected player around the league, you have to get a foundational piece before you get the finished product. Like I said before, sounds like you're hatin a bit. Houston wasn't a destination as far as playing for the Rockets goes. In today's NBA, it's not as attractive as other big market cities because the Dwight Howard/Carmelo Anthonys of the world are only concerned with their brand. You just said Houston isn't a destination for players even though many reside here in the offseason, yet you say Cleveland can attract players before Houston. And since 97, Cleveland can't even attract a fucking all star game. And there sure were alot of big time players who went to team up with LeBron when he was there, like a washed up Shaq. :lol

[djohn2oo8]

houston has to be thrilled with they'r deal, they got a great player and still managed to be terrible... with a top 3 pick in the next draft and another max player they could be set for years to come..

This. The plan all along I guess. Be terrible, have room for another max player. And if they get a top pick, do they use it or ship it off for another max player?

[djohn2oo8]

It's paying for potential, a pretty big risk considering Rox want to hype Harden up as a star so they can attract a big name to form their own big 3 with Harden & Lin(:lol)

You have to be really clueless if you think Lin is actually a part of their plan. Lin was Les Alexander's choice, not a Morey one, for marketing purposes obviously. He was brought in to draw the asian population while they tank this year. Seems pretty obvious.

[Latarian Milton]

houston might be a big city by population but its never been a big sports city imho, people are dumb n fat and most of them are more insterested in junkfoods & night clubs rather than sports. you seem to get more all-star votes each year but you know where most of the votes come from tbh

[Latarian Milton]

they signed the asian fag to keep their popularity high in the asian market. although they seemed to have given him a big contract, they won't necessarily end up paying him that much since he'll probably get shipped out of town before his contract comes to its final year where his salary will jump from 4m a year up to 13m something. dude's contract will be an excellent trading asset imho

[pass1st]

You have to be really clueless if you think Lin is actually a part of their plan. Lin was Les Alexander's choice, not a Morey one, for marketing purposes obviously. He was brought in to draw the asian population while they tank this year. Seems pretty obvious.

:lol It doesn't really seem to help, plenty of Asians around here that like NBA and not many know who Lin is.

[djohn2oo8]

:lol It doesn't really seem to help, plenty of Asians around here that like NBA and not many know who Lin is.

The Houston market it helps.

[baseline bum]

houston might be a big city by population but its never been a big sports city imho, people are dumb n fat and most of them are more insterested in junkfoods & strip clubs rather than sports. you seem to get more all-star votes each year but you know where most of the votes come from tbh

fify

[TDMVPDPOY]

chickity china the chinese chicken?

[Mel_13]

So glad that Presti traded Harden to the Rockets. The Thunder are much more beatable without him.

[thunderfan]

Hardens good. He's not that good. IMO he was worth 11M a year to OkC. A penny beyond that and he was standing in the way of their future success. Ibaka, without question, is more irreplaceable. Great move keeping Ibaka over Harden, if only one could be had.

[Mel_13]

Both were there for the taking.

[Brazil]

So glad that Presti traded Harden to the Rockets. The Thunder are much more beatable without him.

more beatable maybe but I'm not so sure. Martin is quite a good fit for OKC and Ibaka progress on the O end are quite noticeable, he is hitting the mid JS nicely nowadays he is averaging 15 pts a game at .58 FG% which is great improvement compared to last year. OKC needed O out of their front court and Ibaka is bringing just that. Durant is also improving especially his passing skills which compensate a bit Harden play making ability. Harden was a Spurs killer so it is a good news but this OKC team is not a lot weaker than last year imho

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hardens good. He's not that good. IMO he was worth 11M a year to OkC. A penny beyond that and he was standing in the way of their future success. Ibaka, without question, is more irreplaceable. Great move keeping Ibaka over Harden, if only one could be had.

Harden for what Houston is paying him is a lot less overpayed than the max contract Chimpbrook got. They woulda been smart keeping Harden and Ibaka over Chimpbrook.

[Mel_13]

more beatable maybe but I'm not so sure. Martin is quite a good fit for OKC and Ibaka progress on the O end are quite noticeable, he is hitting the mid JS nicely nowadays he is averaging 15 pts a game at .58 FG% which is great improvement compared to last year. OKC needed O out of their front court and Ibaka is bringing just that. Durant is also improving especially his passing skills which compensate a bit Harden play making ability. Harden was a Spurs killer so it is a good news but this OKC team is not a lot weaker than last year imho

Didn't say they were a lot weaker, just more beatable. Especially when matched with the Spurs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

In playoff games where 4th quarter execution is even more important the Thunder are more beatable and "weaker" for that matter. Harden was clutch as hell and had a bad series against the best perimeter defense in the NBA. Kevin Martin is a historically unclutch stat padder who won't give them nearly what Harden gave them in the playoffs.

[Brazil]

Didn't say they were a lot weaker, just more beatable. Especially when matched with the Spurs.

yes I agree, my comments were more general for those who think that OKC is going to be easier to deal with

[Brazil]

In playoff games where 4th quarter execution is even more important the Thunder are more beatable and "weaker" for that matter. Harden was clutch as hell and had a bad series against the best perimeter defense in the NBA. Kevin Martin is a historically unclutch stat padder who won't give them nearly what Harden gave them in the playoffs.

Kevin Martin was always the primary O option in his previous teams, with Westbrick and Durant this is not the case anymore therefore he will deal with a lot less pressure. The 4th quarter Harden playmaking abilities are going to be missed a lot by OKC but in counterpart Durant is becoming more mature for that matter and once again the Ibaka improvements on the O end are going to help them a lot. Overall I'm just saying I don't sleep on OKC they are still for me the favorites to go out of the west.

[thunderfan]

Would've been ideal to keep Harden and Ibaka, obviously, but it's not real reasonable to expect a small market team can sign 3 max contract players. In all, they are still excellent with Martin and should be a legit contender. Martin is fantastic in isolation as well. Clearly he doesn't finish in the same manner as Harden, but his shot release is fantastic for getting defenders in the air and being able to drive and penetrate the lane. I've thought in the past at times that keeping Harden over Westbrook might have been more ideal, but Westbrook currently is really showing a lot more poise and improvement in his role. I think it all hinges on Westbrook as to how far the team goes. I truly don't think Martin will slow them down any. Ibaka's offense and overall improved ball movement and passing has sort of made up for Harden's offense.

[purplengold]

could have threw Perkins ta the curb n sign some scrub center

[Mel_13]

Would've been ideal to keep Harden and Ibaka, obviously, but it's not real reasonable to expect a small market team can sign 3 max contract players.

Except that could have done it in any number of ways. Instead, they chose to trade him over a difference of $5m spread over 4 years.

[purplengold]

Except that could have done it in any number of ways. Instead, they chose to trade him over a difference of $5m spread over 4 years.

im thinking they ship him off over principle that they didn't wanna pay harden max. Dun make sense ta refuse to pay extra mil n a quarter per year for a team that probably profitable

[DAF86]

Manu 0.2 has the Rockets 4 games above .500, tbh.

[racm]

Manu 0.2 has the Rockets 4 games above .500, tbh.

To be fair, he's got a decent if streaky PG and a good C to help.

[DAF86]

Asik is a monster, I swear that everytime I catch a Rockets game he has like 18 rebounds.

[GuerillaBlack]

Scoring 15 in the final six minutes like its nothing. Wolves announcers were wishing they had a "guy like that".

[Mel_13]

Scoring 15 in the final six minutes like its nothing. Wolves announcers were wishing they had a "guy like that".

At some point in the 2013 playoffs, Thunder announcers will be saying the same thing.

[djohn2oo8]

9ynuAq7UTXQ

[Killakobe81]

At some point in the 2013 playoffs, Thunder announcers will be saying the same thing.

I agree and could be the difference if you meet in the WCF again. I still think OKC should would be favored but Harden was a key factor in the back-door sweep. Plus he and Collison had great chemistry in pnr situations. I get why those chose to keep Ibaka and Martin can score but despite his bad Finals showing dont see how Thunder beat the Heat as constructed. Their best advantage ...durant over the opposing SF is neutralized by Battier on defense and Lebron on offense. Durant may score more but James is winningthat matchup 9 out of 10 times. When your best player gets out-played at his position it is HARD to win. A second straight Finals loss is the OKC ceiling ... but an upset in the WCF wouldnt shock me either.

[Brazil]

At some point in the 2013 playoffs, Thunder announcers will be saying the same thing.

That was his first experience at this level. People are usually overreacting at his performance IMHOIMHO

[Samuel Eto'o]

Manu 0.2 has the Rockets 4 games above .500, tbh.

Its 2.0 you dumb fuck

[DAF86]

Its 2.0 you dumb fuck

Badfish with the retarded Mavkrew reject bads per par.

[Samuel Eto'o]

per par.

:lmao oh, wow

[DAF86]

Being intentionally retarded and pretending not to get things is like a schtick you're trying or are you really this slow?

[Mel_13]

Scoring 15 in the final six minutes like its nothing. Wolves announcers were wishing they had a "guy like that".


At some point in the 2013 playoffs, Thunder announcers will be saying the same thing.

I imagine that they were saying it today.

Too bad thunderfan took his blanket and ran away. I would have loved to see him spin today's events.

[timvp]

OKC traded away their fourth quarter point guard for the corpse of Reggie Miller.

Ouch.

[cheguevara]

no harden no problem

:lmao

[Cry Havoc]

OKC traded away their fourth quarter point guard for the corpse of Reggie Miller.

Ouch.

:lmao

Serious bombs here.

:lmao

When Durant has an off night in the playoffs it's going to be up to Refsbrook to beat the Clippers, Spurs, and Heat. That prospect has to TERRIFY OKC fans.

[Clipper Nation]

Hell, even when Durant plays well, they'll STILL need Whistlebrick to show up in the playoffs, which he won't.... that's why the Thunderefs won't be ringing anytime soon even with the favorable whistle, until they either dump Whistlebrick or force some basketball IQ into his pea brain...

[HI-FI]

Westbrook has some amazing chimp DNA, his athleticism and lack of injuries is proof of that. Fortunately he also has a chimp brain so that's the balance that we need. Until Sam Presti can find some ALZ-112 for Westbrook, we must exploit his stupidity.

[TDMVPDPOY]

his nba career path is starting to mesh like gino, a choke here and there if u know what i mean

[Mel_13]

Oklahoma City is another team with plenty of assets, and after losing to the Lakers and both games of the season series to Miami, is strongly considering a move, sources said. Thunder GM Sam Presti is likely dangling both younger players and draft picks to land an offensively-gifted player to join Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/02/15/13/NBA-trade-buzz-Nets-get-set-for-deadline/msn_landing.html?blockID=864873&feedID=3725

Would have been so easy to just keep the one he had.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Oklahoma City is another team with plenty of assets, and after losing to the Lakers and both games of the season series to Miami, is strongly considering a move, sources said. Thunder GM Sam Presti is likely dangling both younger players and draft picks to land an offensively-gifted player to join Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/02/15/13/NBA-trade-buzz-Nets-get-set-for-deadline/msn_landing.html?blockID=864873&feedID=3725

Would have been so easy to just keep the one he had.
no matter who they trade for, they still have westbrick on the t eam who is not a pure pass first pg, his always looking for his and will shoot ur t eam out of a game when he decides to go kermit mode with continuous possessions where he will ballhog

[slick'81]

thank god okc got rid of harden

[Mel_13]

Hardens good. He's not that good. IMO he was worth 11M a year to OkC. A penny beyond that and he was standing in the way of their future success. Ibaka, without question, is more irreplaceable. Great move keeping Ibaka over Harden, if only one could be had.


OKC is easily as good with Martin as they were with Harden. It's a different look for sure, but Martin is gonna work. The question is - will Westbrook do his job? That's iffy sometimes.

:lmao

[SpursIndonesia]

:lol Thunderefs
:lol Methlahoma
:lol Presti
:lol Chimpbrick over the Beardman

[racm]

Presti should come back to San Antonio, looks like he still needs a few lessons in how to build a team

[TIMMYtoZO]

Would've been ideal to keep Harden and Ibaka, obviously, but it's not real reasonable to expect a small market team can sign 3 max contract players. In all, they are still excellent with Martin and should be a legit contender. Martin is fantastic in isolation as well. Clearly he doesn't finish in the same manner as Harden, but his shot release is fantastic for getting defenders in the air and being able to drive and penetrate the lane. I've thought in the past at times that keeping Harden over Westbrook might have been more ideal, but Westbrook currently is really showing a lot more poise and improvement in his role. I think it all hinges on Westbrook as to how far the team goes. I truly don't think Martin will slow them down any. Ibaka's offense and overall improved ball movement and passing has sort of made up for Harden's offense.

:lmao at this retarded post. I can't believe I missed this.

[whitemamba]

lol okc

[Venti Quattro]

Look at who he was playing, tbh.....


:lmao :lmao Clipper Nation in a world of asshurt


No asshurt here... if Harden starts doing this to playoff teams, he might end up being worth the money, tbh...

Still not worth the money?

[da_suns_fan]

Oh how I prayed the Suns would get him.

In hindsight, the trade was an absolute steal. The rockets got a bona-fide franchise guy for Kevin Martin, a d-leaguer and a couple of picks.

[Clipper Nation]

Still not worth the money?
What can I say, I was wrong... and I'm glad I've been proven wrong, Harden is officially off my shit-list, tbh... :lol Thunderefs

[sook]

46 points on 14/19. :wow:wow:wow Horrrry shit!

[spurraider21]

I'm loving what Harden is doing. Makes me wonder what kind of things prime Manu could have done if he left the Spurs for a lead role elsewhere

[BobaFett1]

I'm loving what Harden is doing. Makes me wonder what kind of things prime Manu could have done if he left the Spurs for a lead role elsewhere

And they kept WESTBROOK over him,lol

[chapnis]

I'm loving what Harden is doing. Makes me wonder what kind of things prime Manu could have done if he left the Spurs for a lead role elsewhere

Same, but I'm kinda glad he didn't.

[BobaFett1]

Same, but I'm kinda glad he didn't.

Manu also knew he could be a champ in S.A.

[DAF86]

I'm loving what Harden is doing. Makes me wonder what kind of things prime Manu could have done if he left the Spurs for a lead role elsewhere

The only question mark regarding Manu would have been his injuries/stamina. In terms of talent, skills, leadership, mental strength to lead a team, clutchness, etc. I have no doubt that he's as good (probably better,tbh) than Harden.

[dunkman]

He was motivated, so he played much better then usual, but still it was a great move for the Rockets. The difference between the Rockets and the Thunder offer was only few millions, for an NBA organization that isn't so much.

They thought that it wasn't worth paying as the Lakers or the Heat were to win the next 2-3 'ships anyway, and it was better to have the picks when Kobe and Nash retire.

Since the Lakers most probably won't even make the playoffs, the trade was beneficial for the Spurs too, as the chances to make the finals improved.

[dbreiden83080]

Hardens good. He's not that good. IMO he was worth 11M a year to OkC. A penny beyond that and he was standing in the way of their future success. Ibaka, without question, is more irreplaceable. Great move keeping Ibaka over Harden, if only one could be had.

LOL old post but still...

Harden is putting up almost 27 a game on 45% shooting. He also shoots 86% from the line and showed the so called clutch gene against the Spurs last year. Harden is easily a top 6 or 7 offensive player in the league and he is only 23..

[Samuel Eto'o]

I have no doubt that he's as good (probably better,tbh) than Harden.

What was that equation for douchebag status again?

[lefty]

bump






:lol

[lefty]

:rollin

[sook]

it wasn't the fact that he had that bad of a game shooting wise, it was bad..but not THAT bad. It was the fact he played really dumb and that is something he doesn't normally do.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

:lol He looked real good tonight.

[Monster1776]

I'm going to laugh at all the homers when OKC easily makes it to the finals.

[Venti Quattro]

I'm going to laugh at all the homers when OKC easily makes it to the finals.

Are you laughing now?

[da_suns_fan]

I sure as hell wasnt wrong.

[da_suns_fan]

Oh how I prayed the Suns would get him.

In hindsight, the trade was an absolute steal. The rockets got a bona-fide franchise guy for Kevin Martin, a d-leaguer and a couple of picks.

Once again, unpopular opinions on this forum are often laughed at but are usually correct.

[Venti Quattro]

:lol Oklahoma City
:lol refusing to pay Harden
:lol paying for Ibaka
:lol trading for Kevin Martin
:lol Harden having a break-out
:lol Methlahoma

[Monster1776]

Are you laughing now?

Considering that post was before Westbrook was out and every game we lost against the Grizz was by a narrow margin often ending with a rookie mistake with Jackson, I don't think I was too far off making that comment. That being said I just hope they take it as a gut check this year and come back stronger the next, all you can really hope for.

[DAF86]

Considering that post was before Westbrook was out and every game we lost against the Grizz was by a narrow margin often ending with a rookie mistake with Jackson, I don't think I was too far off making that comment. That being said I just hope they take it as a gut check this year and come back stronger the next, all you can really hope for.

What was the point of that comment anyway? Yeah, you may have gotten to the finals but so what? This trade made you a weaker team and that's what this thread is all about.

[Monster1776]

What was the point of that comment anyway? Yeah, you may have gotten to the finals but so what? This trade made you a weaker team and that's what this thread is all about.

It's rather difficult to judge a trade based off of immediate results. I highly doubt that we would have a better understanding of a trading situation than the people with all the numbers and plans in front of them. Then again you have idiot owners that are just looking for cash that absolutely destroy franchises like Schultz for Seattle, Maloofs for Sacramento, Dan for the Cavs, or whoever owns the magic.

[DAF86]

It's rather difficult to judge a trade based off of immediate results. I highly doubt that we would have a better understanding of a trading situation than the people with all the numbers and plans in front of them. Then again you have idiot owners that are just looking for cash that absolutely destroy franchises like Schultz for Seattle, Maloofs for Sacramento, Dan for the Cavs, or whoever owns the magic.

I don't care about all that burocratic crap. I'm talking strictly about the game, and it is obvious that in this sense you definitely are a lesser team after the Harden trade. With the improvement of the young core (Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka) and some moves (get Perkins the fuck out for any above average NBA player) OKC could have seriously challenged Miami for NBA titles in the very near future, now Durant will probably have to go ring chasing somewhere else by the time he's in his mid 30's.

[LkrFan]

37/12/5
https://www.oyster.com/uploads/sites/35/2019/05/front-desk-v2181821-1440.jpg
This is where Frauden and his stats bout to checkout of the bubble :lol