Bruce Bowen for Mike James

[Spursdaone]

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Bruce Bowen
6-7 SF from Cal State Fullerton
8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.0 minutes
Incoming

Mike James
6-2 PG from Duquesne
12.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

Houston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Mike James
6-2 PG from Duquesne
12.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Incoming

Bruce Bowen
6-7 SF from Cal State Fullerton
8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -1.4 apg.

[ShoogarBear]

I like Mike James, but Bruce is a Spur For Life.

And realistically, what does Houston get out of this?

[Sense]

Hell No... Defense wins championship and you're taking away an all nba defense and nba defensive player of the year contender?

What are you crazy?

[Kori Ellis]

:shootme

[Big Pimp_21]

The Spurs would lose the best defensive player in the league (lb for lb). This would be a horrible trade. We would not have been champs without bowen shutting down Melo, Ray, Marion, and Rip. What the hell does Mike James do?

[timvp]

WTF Forum

[Pistons < Spurs]

I'd be very happy if you made that trade. Our job would be much easier come June 2006!! LOL

[Marcus Bryant]

Son, hand over the modem.

[timvp]

Son, hand over the modem.

:lol

[Obi wan Ginobili]

Are you nuts? Not only do you lose the best defensive player in the league... you trade him to someone on OUR DOORSTEP in the same division with a defensive minded scheme so he can stop Manu 4 games a year...

Great Idea Einstein.

[ShoogarBear]

Hey, Pistons > Spurs got a name change! :lol

[manustarting2gd]

Please contact Charter Real immediately. The drugs aren't worth it.

[Horry For 3!]

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Bruce Bowen
6-7 SF from Cal State Fullerton
8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.0 minutes
Incoming

Mike James
6-2 PG from Duquesne
12.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

Houston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Mike James
6-2 PG from Duquesne
12.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Incoming

Bruce Bowen
6-7 SF from Cal State Fullerton
8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -1.4 apg.
You have to be the dumbest person alive. Just go ahead and :shootme and save everyone.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Son, hand over the modem.
:lmao :lmao

[dn0]

you have to be kidding me.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I'd be very happy if you made that trade. Our job would be much easier come June 2006!! LOL


thats should be more than enough to put this idea in the trash.

[Samr]

Pop>Isiah Thomas

In case you forgot.

[picnroll]

Visual proof that no IQ test is required for registration to Spurstalk.com.

[Sense]

Hey, Pistons > Spurs got a name change! :lol


Agreed.... :lol

[ObiwanGinobili]

Hey, Pistons > Spurs got a name change! :lol

holy crap I didn't notice that!! :lmao

[Kori Ellis]

He asked for the name change.

[mavsfan1000]

Sounds great for a mavs fan. Do it. Who needs the best defender anyway. :lol

[Solid D]

Rip Hamilton for Mike Wilks. What do you think?

[spurschick]

:nope

[Sense]

:lmao
Rip Hamilton for Mike Wilks. What do you think?


heheh solid...

[mavsfan1000]

This guy should hang out with T Park.

[Jdspur20]

smoking crack thread

[nkdlunch]

'Ta Loco

[foodie2]

San Antonio Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Bruce Bowen
6-7 SF from Cal State Fullerton
8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.0 minutes
Incoming

Mike James
6-2 PG from Duquesne
12.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +4.2 ppg, -0.3 rpg, and +1.4 apg.

Houston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Mike James
6-2 PG from Duquesne
12.4 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 2.9 apg in 25.6 minutes
Incoming

Bruce Bowen
6-7 SF from Cal State Fullerton
8.2 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1.5 apg in 32.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, +0.3 rpg, and -1.4 apg.


Hold on, let me think...let me think...

Um, no.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Hey, Pistons > Spurs got a name change! :lol


I'm only wearing this one till next June when we take our Trophy back!!!!

[mavsfan1000]

It's threads like these that keep me from being bored in the summer. :lmao

[Sense]

I'm only wearing this one till next June when we take our Trophy back!!!!


You'll be wearing that name for YEARS.

[slayermin]

Props to Pistons<Spurs for changing his name.

Bowen for James? WTF!?!

[Gino2882]

Houston would do this in a second. Jeff Van Gundy would love to have him there.

Mike James does nothing for this team though.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

I'm I the only one that thinks Spursdaone is Mike James????

I think Mike wants to be part of the Spurs, badly.

[Hook Dem]

How many more of these utterly ridiculous threads are we gonna have to endure? Stupid idiots!

[ShoogarBear]

I'm only wearing this one till next June when we take our Trophy back!!!!
You need to pick a title other than "Lottery Pick" though . . . how 'bout "Sheed Doubles Manu"?

[Pistons < Spurs]

You need to pick a title other than "Lottery Pick" though . . . how 'bout "Sheed Doubles Manu"?


LOL not nice........it hurts as much today as it did after the game!

[BigDaddyMatty]

I'm I the only one that thinks Spursdaone is Mike James????

I think Mike wants to be part of the Spurs, badly.
No, its obviously JVG.

[mookie2001]

we could trade duncan for olowokandi too

[whottt]

Icecoldbrewski quoting a fantasy basketball expert is no longer the biggest joke in forum history...Congrats Brewski...Spursdaone is now "it".

[mavsfan1000]

This idiot should be banned

[Spursdaone]

How long do you expect Bruce Bowen to be this defensive stopper. He is 34 and I don't expect to last much longer. Mike James is a good defender and will back up Parker and Ginobili. Y'all are thinking too much in the short term which there isn't that much left.

[mookie2001]

bruce still looks to be in his prime
until i see some slippage you gotta stick with him
and then if he was getting too old, why would you get a backup PG to replace him?

[Manu20]

Bruce Bowen will be a Spur for a long time.

[Spurminator]

Mike James is 30. Whoop-de-doo.

[ALVAREZ6]

Are you retarded?

[mookie2001]

why would you get a backup PG to replace him?
spursdaone...

[Spursdaone]

He would also be a backup shooting guard and we could try to convince Glenn Robinson to stay by telling him he could be the starting SF. Gary Payton was once a defensive stopper to.

[mookie2001]

no he would not be the backup sg with barry and devin brown
he's too small
pop would never start bigdog
gary payton in his prime couldnt guard shawn marion

[Brodels]

Man, I don't know what's worse: the fact that you started this thread, or the fact that you're actually trying to defend your take.

Bruce was undoubtedly one of the four most important Spurs players in the finals. They wouldn't have won without him. And what makes you think he's going to slow down? He looked pretty good in the finals.

Besides, the last thing you want is Bowen locking down Ginobili next season. And with Ginobili's energy level a constant concern, who exactly would you expect to be the Spurs defensive stopper on the wings?

It's O.K. man, I needed a good laugh today. There have been some utterly ridiculous takes in here recently, but this one takes the cake.

[duncan_21]

Why don't we trade duncan over to dallas for finley?

[Spursdaone]

David Wesley plays shooting guard full time and he is 6'1. Shawn Marion is a small forward by the way and James would guard Billups or Hamilton. Brown and Barry can handle the small forward but I expect Bowen's defense to decline in a couple year like Payton's defense.

[Brodels]

David Wesley plays shooting guard full time and he is 6'1. Shawn Marion is a small forward by the way and James would guard Billups or Hamilton. Brown and Barry can handle the small forward but I expect Bowen's defense to decline in a couple year like Payton's defense.

Keep posting, man. With the season over now, we'll need some comic relief.

[Spursdaone]

I made my point and y'all did to so this is the last post on this thread. I agree Houston would get the better of this for the short term.

[ZStomp]

Oh my god..here come the foolish trade threads....:(

[jochhejaam]

Hey, Pistons > Spurs got a name change! :lol


Yeah, I'm surprised he did that I guess I'll change mine to:

Jochhejaam < Spurs? No, I won't do it. :lol

We had Mike James on our team when we won the championship and he's excellent coming off the bench but he's no Bruce Bowen. Bad trade idea.

[travis2]

http://www.lionking.org/~killer/WebDecor/CarfaceNKiller.gif

MORONS!!! I'M SURROUNDED BY MORONS!!!

What's with some of these newbies? Do they even watch the games? On television, not their NBA2k5 game?

:rolleyes

[1Parker1]

WTF Forum


:lmao

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Duncan to Miami for a box of rocks, and Bowen to Detroit for a ham sandwich.

[SWC Bonfire]

Time for the five o'clock free crack giveaway...:rolleyes

[Pistons < Spurs]

Bowen to Detroit for a ham sandwich.


Consider it done!

http://www.janinehosegood.co.uk/FOOD%20PICS/HAM%20SANDWICH.jpg

Now give us Bowen!

[NZHayden]

Rip Hamilton for Mike Wilks. What do you think?

i was more or less thinking lj3 for stojakobitch

[Flea]

Consider it done!

http://www.janinehosegood.co.uk/FOOD%20PICS/HAM%20SANDWICH.jpg

Now give us Bowen!


:lol

This thread deserves to go to the classics forum as one of the dumbest suggestions of all time.

Way to go to Pistons<Spurs for having a sense of humor and getting his name changed.

[easjer]

Pistons<Spurs is pretty cool.

But sadly, Spurs_Fan_in_exile can't make that trade. And he doesn't like mayonnaise or tomatoes . . . so you can't have Bruce. Sorry.


Bowen hasn't lost a step yet, he's perfectly good starting for at least two years, if not four, and furthermore, you need to trade for that position if you are taking him out, not for a back-up point guard.

And even if this were somehow plausible, as much as Jeff Van Gundy would love Bruce, he needs point guards - they are sadly hurting for them.

So as if anyone needed logical proof, you are a moron.

[Hook Dem]

http://img165.echo.cx/img165/4448/mentallydeficient1xd.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Consider it done!

http://www.janinehosegood.co.uk/FOOD%20PICS/HAM%20SANDWICH.jpg

I don't know, Spurs fans... that's a mighty nice ham sandwich there.

Maybe we should consider it. :lol :shootme

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

If we get to keep the plate they can have Barry too.

[Das Texan]

so is this the first stupid trade suggestion of the summer

[SWC Bonfire]

so is this the first stupid trade suggestion of the summer

You missed the hundreds of "Trade Rasho" threads?

[Das Texan]

You missed the hundreds of "Trade Rasho" threads?


those werent during the summer. and rasho didnt exactly help us win a title against detroit much.

[SWC Bonfire]

There were three yesterday.

[Marcus Bryant]

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes...

[Guru of Nothing]

I'm willing to give up everything but the SPAM in exchange for Lebron James. I assume the salaries match.

http://www.pk.org/lib/images/meatprod-sm.jpg

[SWC Bonfire]

PORK BRAINS!?! (in milk gravy)

HAHAHAHAHA:LOL

[slayermin]

Dennis Rodman was a great defender until he was like 38 or so. Bruce has a similar type of wiry frame and work ethic. He could still play another solid three to four years.

I''m not agreeing with spursdaone but I thought Bruce was better in 2003 than he was this season. His defense on Kobe Bryant was incredible.

[mavsfan1000]

I think it would be a stupid trade because who will play small forward? The defense wouldn't be quite the same even though the offense would improve.

[cmc$purs]

PORK BRAINS!?! (in milk gravy)

HAHAHAHAHA:LOL :throwupsp

WTF? WHO EATS THAT :vomit


mike who ? :idiot :stfu

[mavsfan1000]

http://www.lionking.org/~killer/WebDecor/CarfaceNKiller.gif

MORONS!!! I'M SURROUNDED BY MORONS!!!

:lol

[Horry For 3!]

How long do you expect Bruce Bowen to be this defensive stopper. He is 34 and I don't expect to last much longer. Mike James is a good defender and will back up Parker and Ginobili. Y'all are thinking too much in the short term which there isn't that much left.
Dude, do you know anything about basketball? Obviously not! You idiot!

[Spursdaone]

Dude, do you know anything about basketball? Obviously not! You idiot!
First off Horry sucks. Next when a player gets old the first thing that goes is their defense. When that happens Bowen would be worthless because he is not an offensive threat. He has already dropped some on defense and I expect have even a faller drop this next season.

[Guru of Nothing]

First off Horry sucks. Next when a player gets old the first thing that goes is their defense. When that happens Bowen would be worthless because he is not an offensive threat. He has already dropped some on defense and I expect have even a faller drop this next season.

What would a Mavs fan know about defense?

[mavsfan1000]

What would a Mavs fan know about defense?
He sounds more like a rockets fan to me.

[mavsfan1000]

First off Horry sucks. Next when a player gets old the first thing that goes is their defense. When that happens Bowen would be worthless because he is not an offensive threat. He has already dropped some on defense and I expect have even a faller drop this next season.
:lmao This guy is hilarious. He should replace T Park for the biggest idiot on here.

[Guru of Nothing]

He sounds more like a rockets fan to me.

No, it's pretty easy to tell the difference between a rocket fan and a mav fan. Rocket fan is obnoxious, while Mav fan is http://www.boomspeed.com/mateo/shortbus.gif

[mavsfan1000]

Rocket fans also think Yao will be the next Shaq. I hate that team.

[mavsfan1000]

No, it's pretty easy to tell the difference between a rocket fan and a mav fan. Rocket fan is obnoxious, while Mav fan is http://www.boomspeed.com/mateo/shortbus.gif
sounds like T Park is a Mavs fan than. :wtf

[easjer]

Rocket fans also think Yao will be the next Shaq. I hate that team.

Honey, I live here. You are dead on. It's sad how deluded some of my friends are. I pointed out that his time to improve and live up to expectations is quickly dwindling, but they always have an excuse (new coach, just got T-Mac and needs to adjust, needs a better pg to feed him, etc).

You know I live mere minutes away from Yao's bar? We go to a restaurant nearby every two or three weeks, but have never been. . .

[Spursdaone]

What would a Mavs fan know about defense?
NO. I'm actually a spurs fan who is thinking of ways to improve the team. James would be a spark plug coming off the bench which would be a perfect fit for this team. Brown is actually the closest to that and could start. Bowen won't be missed too much because San Antonio will win another championship but this time with James. :princess

[FromWayDowntown]

NO. I'm actually a spurs fan who is thinking of ways to improve the team. James would be a spark plug coming off the bench which would be a perfect fit for this team. Brown is actually the closest to that and could start. Bowen won't be missed too much because San Antonio will win another championship but this time with James. :princess

So much for those promises of no more posts. . . .

I could see the point in arguing that Bowen might slow down in the next year or so and that that Spurs might be better in the long-term by selling high and buying low on some talent. For the record, I don't favor dealing Bruce Bowen, but I can see the point, to an extent.

I just can't see why you would be willing to trade a guy with a unique skill that is highly in demand for a middling point guard who, at most, will come off the bench, who isn't a great distributor and is far from an all-NBA defender.

If you think Mike James is the best that the Spurs can do in moving Bowen, I'd say that's precisely why there shouldn't be any deal.

By the way, if you're not Mike James, spursdaone are you maybe Devin Brown? :)

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Dumbest trade idea ever.

[Spursdaone]

With Mike James you could put Parker at the 2 guard and that would force some matchup problems because he will be hard to guard without the ball. You can also put him with Ginobili which would give Billups some trouble. I think everyone needs quit their love affair with Bowen and realize what is best for the team.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I think everyone needs quit their love affair with Bowen and realize what is best for the team.


LOL I'm just gonna sit back w/ my popcorn, and enjoy the show. I know there will be some responses to that.......

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[Sense]

With Mike James you could put Parker at the 2 guard and that would force some matchup problems because he will be hard to guard without the ball. You can also put him with Ginobili which would give Billups some trouble. I think everyone needs quit their love affair with Bowen and realize what is best for the team.

You're trying to make yourself look like you know about basketball...but the fact is you don't..


Any moron that says Horry sucks, and says that Bowen won't be missed is a complete idiot... coming from a Spurs fan.....it's embarrassing.

[Spursdaone]

You no way proved that an old Bruce Bowen is better than Mike James. Mike James is like Bobby Jackson a couple years ago.

[ZStomp]

Lock this already!

[travis2]

You no way proved that an old Bruce Bowen is better than Mike James. Mike James is like Bobby Jackson a couple years ago.

Who the fuck says you've proven Mike James is better than Bruce Bowen? :rolleyes



Watch the game. Learn something.

[mattyc]

:pctoss

[mavsfan1000]

bump

[Spursdaone]

Who the fuck says you've proven Mike James is better than Bruce Bowen? :rolleyes



Watch the game. Learn something.
Mike James should be a starter but on this team he would be the energizer behind Parker and Ginobili. He will add to the neverending offense when Parker or Ginobili go to the bench. He is an awesome shooter and a good defender. Brown will be a great starter at the small forward with Barry getting more minutes which will help his rhythm. Instead of attacking me think of why Bowen is needed and why James won't help as much.

[Man In Black]

Mike James SUCKS. Seriously, any ALL-NBA D teams? How about is top 10 in the L in anything of note?

It's called duplication of effort. We have a good PG, we have a capable at times backup PG, we have a good SG with PG skills, we have a capable backup SG with PG skills, we have a defensive monster at SF, we have a capable backup player at SF who used to be a NDBL MVP. So seriously...where does Mike James fit and why is it for Bruce Bowen?

Yournotdaone. I'd say youdastupid.

[travis2]

Mike James should be a starter but on this team he would be the energizer behind Parker and Ginobili. He will add to the neverending offense when Parker or Ginobili go to the bench. He is an awesome shooter and a good defender. Brown will be a great starter at the small forward with Barry getting more minutes which will help his rhythm. Instead of attacking me think of why Bowen is needed and why James won't help as much.

Excuse me??? Why is Bowen needed? What are you smoking??

(1) His defense has NOT decreased, for one thing...good grief, you are talking about the #2 vote getter for DPOY. And #1 isn't a perimeter defender!

(2) Brown's defense is still shaky. He is getting better...but he's not ready to take over for Bowen anytime soon.

(3) Barry...see (2)

QED. I think that's enough for now.

[Spursdaone]

If the trade went through this would be the spurs lineup
Mohammad/Duncan
Duncan/Horry
Brown/Barry
Ginobili/James
Parker/James.
As I recall Beno had trouble holding on to the ball and was taken out of the lineup. James would get about 24-30 minutes a game which is a perfect 6th man. This would prolong the dynasty also.

[Kori Ellis]

Lock this already!

Why would I lock it?

It's, hands down, the worst thread of all time.
:)

[Mixability]

this guy is a complete idiot, T Park is that you?

[ChumpDumper]

think of why Bowen is neededI did.

He is.

Thanks for reminding me. I always underrate the guy.

[Spursdaone]

I did.

He is.

Thanks for reminding me. I always underrate the guy.
Sounds like you overate him because you think he is the reason they are so good defensively when in fact everyone on the team is good defensively.

[ChumpDumper]

Sounds like you overate him because you think he is the reason they are so good defensively when in fact everyone on the team is good defensively.They're good.

He's better.

And yes, they are good defensively in no small part because of his example. I think Parker in particular has been greatly influenced by Bowen's D.

[Useruser666]

This thread is still rolling? :lol

[Spursdaone]

Another example of a player who depends solely on their defense is D. Christie.
He went from a great defender to an average one who took him out of Sacramento. Defense is usually the first thing to go and offense follows later. I'm just concerned that Bowen will not be able to sustain that defense because of losing a step.

[E20]

All 108 posts say the exact samething.

[FromWayDowntown]

Bruce Bowen is the single best defensive player in the game right now. Given what he's asked to do, Bruce Bowen is a better defensive player than Ben Wallace. He adds a dash of 3-point shooting and a ton of toughness to a team that needs both of those things. And did I mention that he's the best defensive player in the game?

Why anyone would want to trade the best defensive player in the game for a backup point guard (who would be an extremely small 2 guard) is beyond me. I'm glad spursdaone has no control in the front office -- by the same illogic used in this thread, the Spurs should have dealt David Robinson in 2000 for a back-up wing.

[Spursdaone]

Another example of a player who depends solely on their defense is D. Christie.
He went from a great defender to an average one who took him out of Sacramento. Defense is usually the first thing to go and offense follows later. I'm just concerned that Bowen will not be able to sustain that defense because of losing a step.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm just concerned that Bowen will not be able to sustain that defense because of losing a step.And? We aren't going to replace him with a backup point guard.

[Spursdaone]

Have you watched any Houston games this year? He is better than a backup point guard. He is strong enough to play shooting guard and is very similar to Bobby Jackson.

[ChumpDumper]

Have you watched any Houston games this year?Yes, he's quite good at times.

Not all the time.

Not worth giving up Bowen by any stretch of the imagination.

[Spursdaone]

How do you know Bowen won't fade like D. Christie? He was at Bowen's age as effective but look what 2 years did to him.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I think a good question that needs to be asked is why the hell would the Rockets trade this guy if he's so friggin' wonderful as you make him out to be? Their biggest problem all year was a lack of consistent PG play. If they trade James that leaves them with Bobby Sura (too injury prone), and Luther Head (who most draft experts are saying has great potential but will need some time). They could maybe go after NVE but he's not getting any younger and the Rockets are the oldest team in the league as is, and he's the best free agent PG at the moment. So there's one more hole in your brain dead argument. And that's in addition to the fact that you have yet to address why the Spurs would make such a trade given that they are not as dumb as you are.

[FromWayDowntown]

Have you watched any Houston games this year? He is better than a backup point guard. He is strong enough to play shooting guard and is very similar to Bobby Jackson.

I did watch many Houston games this year.

I noticed that on a team that was desperate to find a point guard all year long, Mike James could never fill the starting role. That might be a result of his assist/turnover ratio being about 2:1 while his regular season shooting percentage was a below-average 43-44%.

In fact, I noticed last night that the Rockets are so sold on James as a PG that they drafted *drumroll* another point guard.

I noticed that Mike James is 6'2" and about 190, which would make him an extremely small 2 guard in the NBA.

This is a ridiculous idea, but let's put it into some perspective -- if you have your way, the Spurs would make this deal so that, at times, they could play two guys 6'2" together. I noticed last season (and I think most of the veteran posters around here would probably agree) that at times, the Spurs were too small with Parker, Ginobili, and Bowen. Now, you want the Spurs to get even smaller? If you truly think that's a good idea, you either don't know much about NBA basketball or you don't really want the Spurs to win. Regardless of the reasons for this ridiculous idea,

[Spurminator]

How do you know Bowen won't fade like D. Christie?

For one thing, he's not hopelessly and fatally pussy-whipped.

[Spursdaone]

I know it's a bad trade for Houston but Bowen's hype will be too much for Houston to deny. I still think San Antonio would be a great defensive team. Stop exaggerating things like James is so great or Bowen is terrible because that is stupid stuff to say. Sell Bowen when he is still a great defender and prolong the dynasty.

[Spurminator]

It's a bad trade for both teams. The last thing the Rockets need is a defensive specialist with no offensive game, and the last thing the Spurs need is a third string point guard.

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

I know it's a bad trade for Houston but Bowen's hype will be too much for Houston to deny. I still think San Antonio would be a great defensive team. Stop exaggerating things like James is so great or Bowen is terrible because that is stupid stuff to say. Sell Bowen when he is still a great defender and prolong the dynasty.

You quit bitch, your concern for this team is faux, now get the fuck out of this forum like you fucking promised, be a man of your womanly word.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

How about PLAY Bowen while he's still a great defender and then keep him around to train the next generation and prolong the dynasty?

[BadlyDrawnBoy]

It's a bad trade for both teams. The last thing the Rockets need is a defensive specialist with no offensive game, and the last thing the Spurs need is a third string point guard.

Quit making so much sense! Next thing you'll say is a man helds up to his word.

[Spursdaone]

I'll leave if you leave a-hole.

[bdubya]

This thread's got me wonderin'.....if the Rockets need help at the one, I wonder if they'd consider James for Arroyo.

RE-RELEASE THE PIT BULLS!!

[Spursdaone]

How about PLAY Bowen while he's still a great defender and then keep him around to train the next generation and prolong the dynasty?
It won't be a dynasty if Bowen's defense goes to shit because of age. Obviously you don't know about deteriation and James is the most underrated point guard ever the way it sounds here to me.

[Kori Ellis]

You quit bitch, your concern for this team is faux, now get the fuck out of this forum like you fucking promised, be a man of your womanly word.

Ummm.. He's not TPark. So simmer down.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

It won't be a dynasty if Bowen's defense goes to shit because of age. Obviously you don't know about deteriation and James is the most underrated point guard ever the way it sounds here to me.

Let's pretend for a second that you do have a functioning neuron and that you're remotely right about Bowen going in the toilet, you've already admitted in this thread that the Spurs have two able replacements in Brown and Barry. Throw in Parker, Beno, along with Barry and Ginobili's ability to run the offense and there's no damn need for an extra fucking point guard who was so damn great for the Rockets that they felt the need to get Luther Head.

Or there's the more likely scenario that you are wrong, and Bowen ages a little more gracefully than Christie, in which case the Spurs are right to hold on to him.

So which is it shitbrick? Either you're right that we don't need Bowen and are dumb enough to think that the Spurs need a fifth point guard, or you're wrong about Bowen and this is a stupid trade. Pick your poison-either way you've proven that your head is hopelessly stuck up your ass.

[Spursdaone]

Let's pretend for a second that you do have a functioning neuron and that you're remotely right about Bowen going in the toilet, you've already admitted in this thread that the Spurs have two able replacements in Brown and Barry. Throw in Parker, Beno, along with Barry and Ginobili's ability to run the offense and there's no damn need for an extra fucking point guard who was so damn great for the Rockets that they felt the need to get Luther Head.

Or there's the more likely scenario that you are wrong, and Bowen ages a little more gracefully than Christie, in which case the Spurs are right to hold on to him.

So which is it shitbrick? Either you're right that we don't need Bowen and are dumb enough to think that the Spurs need a fifth point guard, or you're wrong about Bowen and this is a stupid trade. Pick your poison-either way you've proven that your head is hopelessly stuck up your ass.
I didn't say Mike James was so great but he was a big part of Houston's improvement from early on in the season to later on. Bowen might age better than Christie but it might not either. Beno and Barry are not good point guards if you consider Barry a defensive liability at point guard and Beno unable to hold on to the ball. Please stop giving Bowen so much credit because if it weren't for Ginobili, Duncan, and Parker that Bowen wouldn't get so much consideration. Just shut up now please.

[ChumpDumper]

How do you know Bowen won't fade like D. Christie?How do you know James won't fade like any backup point guard over 30?
I didn't say Mike James was so great but he was a big part of Houston's improvement from early on in the season to later on.He only played 27 games for them in the regular season and was up and down in the playoffs.
Bowen might age better than Christie but it might not either.He already has.
Please stop giving Bowen so much credit because if it weren't for Ginobili, Duncan, and Parker that Bowen wouldn't get so much consideration. He did before he ever got to San Antonio. Ask the Mike James' coach.

[easjer]

Baby, he's a moron. Plain and simple. He wants to add another point guard. A bench player, at that. Who didn't produce much for his team. I watched several games, but even if I didn't, dude, I live in Houston and I watch the news. They needed a pg.

We need another 3, not because Bowen is going downhill (which leads to the question -did you watch any Spurs games? He's the most fit starter we have!), but because we want someone trained to do what he does.

But whatever. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so keep blowing smoke out of your ass.

_____________

Kori? Why would you say this is the worst thread ever? In addition to trading our premier perimeter defender and three point specialist in a position without great depth for a mediocre bench pg, we've also traded Tim Duncan for a box of rocks, Bowen for a sandwich, and wasn't there also a trade Manu in there somewhere?

[Spursdaone]

Did I mention Sura being injured and how bad Houston would be without Jamea

[easjer]

Dude, Bowen was the most consistent player in the finals series. Did you watch it at all? He was a serious contender for finals MVP.

It's not about Bowen love, it's about reality. Clearly, you are watching sports in an alternate universe.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I didn't say Mike James was so great but he was a big part of Houston's improvement from early on in the season to later on. Bowen might age better than Christie but it might not either. Beno and Barry are not good point guards if you consider Barry a defensive liability at point guard and Beno unable to hold on to the ball. Please stop giving Bowen so much credit because if it weren't for Ginobili, Duncan, and Parker that Bowen wouldn't get so much consideration. Just shut up now please.

Now it's on like Donkey Kong, you short bus riding GM wannabe. First off, congratulations on realizing one decent fact. Mike James was a big reason for the Rockets finally getting their shit together, but that was more by default than anything else. Before him they had been managing .500 basketball without any real point guard to speak of. Any decent point guard could have managed that one.

And Bowen will age better than Christie. Christie has spent the last few seasons racking up injuries that have seriously slowed him down. Bruce, despite being older, hasn't missed a game in three years. He keeps himself in terrific shape and he isn't asked to really carry any of the offensive load. He's going to age just fine.

Beno is going to be a good point guard for the Spurs. People love to point at his struggles in finals as some sort of smoking gun but all that really happened was that a rookie point guard suddenly looked like a rookie point guard when the best damn defense in the league was thrown at him. It happens. Barry's D has been steadily improving, but it still has a ways to go when he's guarding PG's but you just managed to shoot yourself in the foot again. Because if you bothered to watch the finals a big reason the Spurs were able to keep Barry on the floor (which was a big key to their success in game 7, IMO) was because they could move Barry onto Prince and put who on the point guard? BRUCE BOWEN YOU STUPID FUCK! So you're saying that we should trade someone who managed to do exactly what you seem to think that we need Mike James for.

And you're getting your wish. This will be my last post of the day. I'm going home to spend time with more intelligent life forms like my lovely wife-to-be, and our cat.

[easjer]

Sura was injured and they weren't great even with James. T-Mac is the main reason Houston kept afloat.

[nkdlunch]

Is this thread for real or am I missing something?????

let this dumb thread die please.

[Spursdaone]

Sura was injured and they weren't great even with James. T-Mac is the main reason Houston kept afloat.
Just like how great they were with Tyron Lue. You think James is just a backup point guard. I can tell you now Houston would not be the same without Mike James as the backup point guard. Mcgrady can't do everything and you dumbfucks think Mcgrady could you don't understand how important the point guard position is. Having a great backup is even better for a team like the spurs. This is not as lopsided as you think.

[ChumpDumper]

This is not as lopsided as you think.Yes it is.

[Spursdaone]

Yes it is.
is not.

[Spursdaone]

I give up if all you wanna do is argue with me. You think Bowen will be the same in 2 years and James sucks huh. I tell you I am changing my mind about being a spurs fans due to people like you who refuse change. Ageing does funny things to players.

[ChumpDumper]

Ageing does funny things to players.And James is already thirty.
I tell you I am changing my mind about being a spurs fans due to people like you who refuse change.If that's all it takes, you never were a fan in the first place.

[Hook Dem]

"I tell you I am changing my mind about being a spurs fans due to people like you who refuse change. Ageing does funny things to players.".................................................. ......................Can we count on that? :lol

[Spursdaone]

He just turned thirty and I expect 4 solid years left for him.

[ChumpDumper]

He just turned thirty and I expect 4 solid years left for him.What if you're wrong? I expect two solid years from Bowen. So what?

[Spursdaone]

I will eat crow than but I don't think Bowen will have 2 solid years left.

[Kori Ellis]

I will eat crow than but I don't think Bowen will have 2 solid years left.

Why do you think that? Everyone knows that Bowen is getting older. That's why most people believe that they need to get a young small forward on the roster that can be Bowen-in-training (as opposed to a 6'2 backup PG). But what indicates to you that Bowen will plummet this season (or even the next)?

He is in better shape than any guy on the Spurs roster. He hasn't missed a start in 3 1/2+ seasons. Who else on the Spurs can say that? (hint: no one) Who else in the league can say that?

He ran with Rip Hamilton (probably the best conditioned guy in the league) in the Finals and he shut down Ray, Carmelo, Marion, Rip and Chauncey this postseason.

[ChumpDumper]

And I don't think James is going to start too many games.

All Bowen has done as a Spur is prove naysayers wrong. Considering this was a career year for him at 33, two years seems pretty likely.

[Spursdaone]

Why do you think that? Everyone knows that Bowen is getting older. That's why most people believe that they need to get a young small forward on the roster that can be Bowen-in-training (as opposed to a 6'2 backup PG). But what indicates to you that Bowen will plummet this season (or even the next)?

He is in better shape than any guy on the Spurs roster. He hasn't missed a start in 3 1/2+ seasons. Who else on the Spurs can say that? (hint: no one) Who else in the league can say that?

He ran with Rip Hamilton (probably the best conditioned guy in the league) in the Finals and he shut down Ray, Carmelo, Marion, Rip and Chauncey this postseason.
I thought Doug Christie and Karl Malone were in great shape but injuries happen more often when players get older. The fact that Bowen relies so much on his defense isn't a good thing. Payton along with other great conditioned athletes thought they could last forever but Brown is capable of taking over that small forward position and I doubt Beno will ever turn into anything great because of not being athletic. I think I have a good point and people like Bowen too much to really agree with me.

[Kori Ellis]

I think I have a good point and people like Bowen too much to really agree with me.

Even if you had a good point. Why aren't you trying to trade him for a young, long small forward.

[Kori Ellis]

Let me tell you something though, if you curse Bowen with all your "he's going to get injured talk", I'm going to have Shelly voodoo you, your family, and all your friends for the rest of your existence. :)

[Spursdaone]

Who would be willing to give that type of player in place of Bowen? James is the best you can get in my opinion and could turn out a great fit.

[ChumpDumper]

Who would be willing to give up James if he's so great -- and why has he been on five teams in the past three seasons?

[Spursdaone]

Someone already made that argument and I told them he isn't great but was a big difference for Houston in the end of the season. He can play the shooting guard also so take that. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

He can play the shooting guard also so take that.Can he? I'll take my chance with a guy who didn't shoot under 40% from the arc once in all four playoff series than a guy who pulled an 0fer in one.
I told them he isn't greatI completely agree with you there.

[Spursdaone]

He shoots alot of 3's on statistics so you can't really decide on that one series if he is worth keeping. I don't like you disecting my quotes and not taking all the information that is given. That is a sign of being wrong.

[FromWayDowntown]

He can play the shooting guard also so take that. :lol

at 6'2"?

In the NBA?

That's laughable.

[Spursdaone]

David Wesley is laughable to then. He is 6'1 and Bobby Jackson is 6'2. Ben Wallace is 6'8 at the center position. I can understand that you don't notice that there are exceptions.

[ChumpDumper]

He shoots alot of 3's on statistics so you can't really decide on that one series if he is worth keeping.I can decide on keeping Bruce by his four series over .400 -- I don't think you realize the significance of that..
I don't like you disecting my quotesIf you have a problem with what you say, don't say it. There are no refs here to whine to, Ray.
That is a sign of being wrong.Your being wrong is a bigger sign of being wrong and your whining is a sure sign of being owned.

[Spursdaone]

I think it is a fair deal. You don't think that James is that good but what would be better when Billups is dominating Parker again to put James who is stronger to put against Billups. I would take the lost of Bowen for that opportunity. Parker will never have an answer for the stronger point guards.

[ChumpDumper]

I would take the lost of Bowen for that opportunity.Then you would take the "lost" of the playoffs in the first round. Good job. You could probably get a front office job in Orlando or Toronto.

[FromWayDowntown]

David Wesley is laughable to then. He is 6'1 and Bobby Jackson is 6'2. Ben Wallace is 6'8 at the center position. I can understand that you don't notice that there are exceptions.

I've also noticed how well David Wesley's teams and Bobby Jackson's teams have done in recent playoffs. In Houston, you'll note that Wesley spent a great deal of time playing alongside Bob Sura, who is around 6'5"; James spent more time playing alongside Jon Barry, who is around 6'5". Unless you're expecting Tony Parker to grow this summer, I can't see your point -- small backcourts tend to get horrendously abused on the defensive end (see, e.g., Francis and Mobley).

Funny, what you propose would necessarily have the effect of making the Spurs a weaker defensive team -- it would detract from their strengths, particularly if, as you propose, James were brought in to play 2 guard (at times) alongside Parker. Instead of being able to match-up with almost any NBA team, the Spurs would almost of necessity have to play zone for long stretches.

Besides, you're the only one here who seems to think that Mike James as a middling 30-something is worth more than Bruce Bowen as the premiere perimeter defender in the NBA.

Don't get upset if people are unwilling to drink the kool-aid of your asinine ideas. We disagree with you because we know basketball. If our disagreement is enough to send you off to be a fan of another team, fare thee well.

[Spursdaone]

I doubt Ginobili, Duncan, and Parker would lose in the first round. I don't understand why you think Bowen is so great. You have to play well on both sides of the floor and James can do that. I don't think Houston would want to do this trade though it won't happen anyway.

[jochhejaam]

this guy is a complete idiot, T Park is that you?

Let's take that guess to another level, are you Mike James' Mom?

[ChumpDumper]

You have to play well on both sides of the floor and James can do that.So can Bruce.
I don't think Houston would want to do this trade though it won't happen anyway.Well, the last four teams he was on didn't seem to have a problem letting him go, and wouldn't you know it -- the Rockets just drafted a point guard.

Go figure.
I don't understand why you think Bowen is so great.I live and breathe, friend. I live and breathe.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think it is a fair deal. You don't think that James is that good but what would be better when Billups is dominating Parker again to put James who is stronger to put against Billups. I would take the lost of Bowen for that opportunity. Parker will never have an answer for the stronger point guards.

You're concerned about the Spurs matchup with ONE team -- a team the Spurs just beat in the Finals. There is no guarantee that the Spurs will need to matchup better with Detroit next season. The Spurs could fail to reach the Finals (more likely without Bowen, I'd argue); the Pistons could fail to reach the Finals.

Suppose, just for one second, that like the last, oh 7-8 years in the NBA, there is no repeat of the Finals matchup in 2005-06. The Spurs arrive at the Finals, but the Pistons don't, having been dethroned by, say, the Heat. Now, you have a Spurs team that is "loaded" (says you) at the PG spot, playing against a team that doesn't really have a PG. The one guy that you had who could play some representative defense (and get respect from officials) against Dwayne Wade is cooling his heels on a boat in the Gulf of Mexico with his old buddy Chauncey Billups. Wade, who you've not accounted for in the rush to find a smallish back-up PG, torches the Spurs, forcing double-teams on the floor, leaving Shaq to ravage the middle and cruise to his 4th Finals MVP. Now that's a good scenario.

Or supose that the Spurs, by some coincidence, meet let's say, the Indiana Pacers in the Finals. Tony Parker is capable of hanging with Jamaal Tinsley and Anthony Johnson, but the Spurs have nobody who can commit exclusively to defending Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, or maybe even Reggie Miller (Manu tries, but is limited to 25 minutes per game by chasing guys off of screens and expending monumental amounts of energy on the defensive end). While Bruce Bowen and Chauncey are contemplating the next hot fishing hole, the Spurs, who would have been able to defend Indy's wings in previous years, are left to watch Mike James finish up as the 2 guard in garbage time of Indy's Game 5 win. Another good scenario.

[Spursdaone]

Dwayne Wade and Chauncey Billups should be considered the most to worry about because Indiana will lose to one of those teams. Bowen will be a year older and not be able to keep up with those 2 players that are quicker than him.

[Vashner]

Trading Bruce is not a good idea. He fits into the team chemistry well.

[Kori Ellis]

Dwayne Wade and Chauncey Billups should be considered the most to worry about because Indiana will lose to one of those teams. Bowen will be a year older and not be able to keep up with those 2 players that are quicker than him.

So Mike James will guard them?

[Spursdaone]

Yes when he is in the game since he is a point guard.

[FromWayDowntown]

So Mike James will guard them?


Yes when he is in the game since he is a point guard.

That should about wrap things up from here. . . . . I think we've hit an official all-time low.

[ChumpDumper]

I also hear he shits marble.

[Spursdaone]

Thank you and good night. Don't forget to see my next show. :elephant

[Supergirl]

Unbelievable. Bowen dominates in the playoffs, shutting down key players in every round of the playoffs, and his defense leads the team to a championship, and PEOPLE ARE STILL UNDERESTIMATING HIM. Either the person who started the thread is a troll or doesn't understand Spurs basketball.

[Vashner]

Spursdone.. I think you got trashed in this thread...

Your idea sucked... so hopefully your "next show" or idea won't suck
as bad as this one...

[rwb]

Consider it done!

http://www.janinehosegood.co.uk/FOOD%20PICS/HAM%20SANDWICH.jpg

Now give us Bowen!

LMAO...Okay, Pistons<Spurs...I officially like you. :tu

[travis2]

He can't have watched any games. It's kind of hard to see the TV when you are in this position...

http://messageboardfools.com/head_up_ass.gif

[Pistons < Spurs]

LMAO...Okay, Pistons<Spurs...I officially like you. :tu

Damn....it took you this long to "officially" like me?
:elephant :lol


I sooo can't believe this thread has gone on for so damn long......amazing!!

[nkdlunch]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/nkdlunch7/yawn.jpg

[Extra Stout]

This is the single biggest disadvantage of rooting for a team that has won three championships. It starts to attract the kind of fan that thinks it is a good idea to trade the best perimeter defender in the league for a 30-year-old backup point guard simply on the off-chance that said perimeter defender might start to decline sometime soon.

This logic is great. You know, my SUV is starting to get a little long in the tooth. I need something reliable to haul stuff around in. It runs great right now, but on the off chance it starts to have trouble, I think I'll sell it and buy a used computer.

[ObiwanGinobili]

I believe that after this "performance" we should change Spursdaone's name to:
Isaiah Thomas


All in favor?

[travis2]

I believe that after this "performance" we should change Spursdaone's name to:
Isaiah Thomas


All in favor?
:lmao

[Spursdaone]

From what I heard Mike James will be the starter for Houston next year. He badly outplayed Bob Sura in the playoffs and that's why he is a very good player. For some that don't know his game probably thought this trade was a joke but it is a good trade.

[Solid D]

Spursdaone, I'm sure that some of the comments here could represent a blow to one's self-esteem for posting something so off-the-wall and clueless by all appearances. However, we are all entitled to our opinions, so post on and keep the laughs coming!!!

[Solid D]

Spursdaone, I'm sure that some of the comments here could represent a blow to one's self-esteem for posting something so off-the-wall and clueless by all appearances. However, we are all entitled to our opinions, so post on and keep the laughs coming!!!

BTW, I'm sort of expecting to see post number 1 from Spursdaone's Mom, telling us to leave her kid alone. :angel

[Dex]

:lmao

[Spursdaone]

Should we do this now? Bruce is getting older and older.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Should we do this now? Bruce is getting older and older.So... still have that modem I see...

[Trainwreck2100]

who?

[Spurminator]

:lmao :lmao

[mardigan]

And after that trade, we could trade Manu for Wally Sczerbiak

[MoSpur]

WTF Forum


:lol

I hope this thread was started as a joke. Why would someone want to trade our best perimeter defender (maybe the best in the NBA) for a point guard to come off the bench?

[BigBeezie]

I wouldn't trade Bruce for Shawn Marion and Raja Bell.... Bruce is the best defender in the league.

[samikeyp]

Should we do this now? Bruce is getting older and older.

Dude....next time, wear your "special" helmet when using mom's computer

[Dre_7]

Duncan for Nazr!!!

[FromWayDowntown]

Having argued 2 years ago that Bruce Bowen only had 2 good years left, we've now come through a playoffs during which Bowen was remarkably efficient in defending Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, and Lebron James. I guess that performance is really the last we can expect from Bruce -- it really is time to move him along and get whatever we can get.

And luckily, it appears that Mike James will be back with the Rockets soon.

Hooray!! The Spurs can actually revisit this trade idea in its original form!

I'm not sure which is more ridiculous: proposing this trade idea in the first place and standing by it or choosing to raise it again 2 years later.

[Josh810]

Should we do this now? Bruce is getting older and older.
Oh.My.God.

[MrChug]

Should we do this now? Bruce is getting older and older.


...and so are you, hate to tell you. Before you know it you'll be asking to be dropped off at football games because your "older more experienced" 7th grade friend tells you that his boyfriend's friend thinks your cute. Then you'll one day realize that random tryst with an older man is gay and that you're not. You're just half-retarded. No biggie...

[Tha Carter]

lol @ son hand over the modem

[Darkwaters]

Classic thread section here we come...

[E20]

Son, hand over the modem.
LMAO :lmao :lol

[dbreiden83080]

Hell no Bruce has at least 2 more great years of man to man D in him which means we have 2 more shots at titles. What he does is amazing and when he is gone we are all going to feel it right away.

[dg7md]

:lmao

[ShoogarBear]

This thread sort of lost its kick after finding out who Spursdaone really is . . .

[smeagol]

This thread sort of lost its kick after finding out who Spursdaone really is . . .
You are too good at this.

Who is he?

(remember I was the one who thought timvp was The Commander :rolleyes )