The Official 2012 Election Day thread sponsored by Goldman Sachs

[Jacob1983]

I'm thinking Barry is going to win but it will be close. Whoever wins, Goldman Sachs will be proud.

[ElNono]

Jacob you can always join the OWS movement and protest against Wall Street with like-minded individuals, tbh

[Jacob1983]

I don't care about OWS. It was a diss toward Obamney since they're both puppets for Goldman Sachs. Thank you. The only thing that I will be paying attention to is if crazy Virgil Goode and Gary Johnson screw Romney out of winning Colorado, Ohio, and Virginia. That would make me smile. I'm thinking Gary Johnson winds up with 1 or 2 percent of the popular vote.

[MannyIsGod]

So I know the presidential election will get the most attention but there are a lot of other races that are interesting. There are some local bond issues here that I'm really interested in and things like the SA preK will be interesting to watch as well.

[MannyIsGod]

The 3 initiatives on gay marriage will say quite a bit on how far the country's mindset has come (Maine, Maryland, Washington). There are 3 states voting on to straight up legalize pot for adult use (Washington and Colorado - I think Oregon is the other).

[boutons_deux]

While Barry has done very little to punish the financial, the financial sector and Repugs have fought like hell, and mostly won, against any and all fanatical regulation.

Bishop Gecko + Repug Congress would certainly kill/gut/defund all financial regulation, while Barry won't.

There is a stark difference between the two on financial regulation. Which is why the financial sector has given 9:1 to their shitbag boy Bishop Gecko.

Gonna be great to see the financial sector lose their donations to Bishop Gecko (less that pocket change for them) and see their hated nemesis Warren become MA Dem Senator.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Gaycob, if you didn't major in Psych:lollogy maybe Goldman Sachs would be interested in hiring you tbh

[DarrinS]

Early Ohio voting shows fewer Obama votes than 2008 and votes for Romney higher than McCain in 2008.

Independents leaning Romney

[ErnestLynch]

America is going to have new President I think.

[SA210]

Today's sad truth image

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/547010_439979356061544_305974644_n.jpg

[timvp]

I'll make this thread live.

FWIW, every statistical model with halfway logical methodology has Obama winning so I'd be shocked if Romney pulls this out. In fact, going by the numbers, it won't be close. If Romney wins, no one should ever look at a political poll again.

[scott]

Ron Paul's got this.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

[Warlord23]

IMO Romney will pull this one out if he can win Florida, which looks promising as early voting by registered Dems has been much lower than in 2008. Thanks to another masterstroke, Ohio is already in the red team's bag: a last-minute software update on voting machines ordered by the Ohio Secretary of State, violating regulations that all software must be tested by the state board of voting machine standards. A judge will rule on this case, but it seems likely that they've got away with it.

CBS news (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57545531/ohio-faces-controversy-over-voting-machines-update/)
Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/news/article/Judge-ready-to-rule-on-Ohio-voting-software-claim-4011176.php)

If Romney wins OH, FL, NC and VA then Obama will have to run the table on the remaining swing states, which is not happening.

[Winehole23]

If Romney wins, no one should ever look at a political poll again.the outliers that call it for Romney will gain credibility and prestige; all others will diminish.

[jack sommerset]

I'll make this thread live.

FWIW, every statistical model with halfway logical methodology has Obama winning so I'd be shocked if Romney pulls this out. In fact, going by the numbers, it won't be close. If Romney wins, no one should ever look at a political poll again.

Translation: "if my boy loses, I'm going to be butthurt" God bless

[Fpoonsie]

Hey, SA210.

Kill yourself.

[Winehole23]

Translation: "if my boy loses, I'm going to be butthurt" God blessobviously, you can sympathize.

[MannyIsGod]

QdpGd74DrBM

This is blowing up on reddit.

[jack sommerset]

obviously, you can sympathize.

Honestly, I cant. It's a dead heat according to most. This can't trust any polls thing is a silly statement. What is obvious is Obama is one of the worst presidents of all time and there a 50/50 chance he will win again. That says a lot about our country. God bless

[Winehole23]

What is obvious is Obama is one of the worst presidents of all time and there a 50/50 chance he will win again. That says a lot about our country. God blessyou're butthurt already? that's a legit distinction.

[jack sommerset]

you're butthurt already? that's a legit distinction.

No. God bless

[timvp]

Translation: "if my boy loses, I'm going to be butthurt" God bless

?

[boutons_deux]

"It's a dead heat according to most."

The media is pushing melodrama to sell ads to viewers they are trying get glued to the TeeVee and radio, just like in 2008 when McLiar/pitbull bitch were crushed.

[Fpoonsie]

:lmao

Fat bitch that passed out while waiting in line to vote in FLA.

[SnakeBoy]

Hey, SA210.

Kill yourself.

I approve this message.

[Winehole23]

I wish I could be there to point and laugh when it happens to you, Fpoons.

[LnGrrrR]

I'll be glad if Obama wins, but I'll still be hoping that the 2016 nominees will include one that protect civil liberties better.

[LnGrrrR]

Honestly, I cant. It's a dead heat according to most. This can't trust any polls thing is a silly statement. What is obvious is Obama is one of the worst presidents of all time and there a 50/50 chance he will win again. That says a lot about the Republican nominee. God bless


fify

[Fpoonsie]

I wish I could be there to point and laugh when it happens to you, Fpoons.

Maybe if she was drinking water instead of eating Pringles, it wouldn't have been a problem.

[benefactor]

fify
:tu

[MannyIsGod]

"It's a dead heat according to most."

The media is pushing melodrama to sell ads to viewers they are trying get glued to the TeeVee and radio, just like in 2008 when McLiar/pitbull bitch were crushed.

Yes. They won't get ratings by telling you its not close. Exactly the same shit we saw in 2008.

[DarrinS]

QdpGd74DrBM

This is blowing up on reddit.

Fake

[leemajors]

QdpGd74DrBM

This is blowing up on reddit.


http://boingboing.net/2012/11/06/ohio-gop-secretary-of-state-or.html


Republican Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted has asked voting machine giant ES&S to install last-minute, unverified, custom firmware updates on the state's voting machines. This is highly irregular, and the details of it are shrouded in secrecy and silence -- the few, terse statements from Husted's office on the matter have been self-contradictory and unhelpful. On Salon, Brad Friedman tries to untangle the mess, and concludes that it's impossible to say what the new software in Ohio's voting machines actually does, nor why unaudited, unapproved software should be added to voting machines in a critical swing-state at the last minute, but that it's highly suspicious and possibly illegal.




And, just to pre-respond to those supposed journalists who have shown a proclivity for reading comprehension issues, let me be clear: No, this does not mean I am charging that there is a conspiracy to rig or steal the Ohio election. While there certainly could be, if there is, I don’t know about it, nor am I charging there is any such conspiracy at this time. The secretive, seemingly extra-legal way in which Secretary of State Husted’s office is going about whatever it is they are trying to do, however, at the very last minute before the election, along with the explanations they’ve given for it to date, and concerns about similar cases in the past, in both Ohio and elsewhere, are certainly cause for any reasonable skeptic or journalist to be suspicious and investigate what could be going on. And so I am …

[MannyIsGod]

Fake

Link?

[DarrinS]

Already setting up the conspiracy scenarios. Lol

[Winehole23]

while you fantasize about race riots

[pad300]

Democrat intimidation and illegal forcing republican observers out of the polls in philly....
http://twitchy.com/2012/11/06/gop-inspectors-reportedly-kicked-out-of-multiple-philadelphia-polling-places/
http://twitchy.com/2012/11/06/new-black-panther-thugs-reportedly-back-at-the-polls-in-philly/

[pad300]

Killing the double post

[bus driver]

for the westsiders that are voting, dont vote for this guy.

SAN ANTONIO - State Representative John Garza, who is fighting to win another term in Austin, has some explaining to do about the way he's spending campaign funds. Those questionable expenditures include an expensive holiday dinner with his family and paying his wife to work on his campaign.

Garza is the freshman representative in District 117, which runs from Helotes to far western Bexar County to the Southwest Side. He’s locked in a bitter battle with Democratic challenger Philip Cortez’s, a former San Antonio city councilman.

“I thank you very much Brian. God bless you. You're a great person,” said a sarcastic Garza when I caught up with him outside a political event last week.

I tracked him down because he would not answer questions about his campaign expenses listed on his campaign finance report filed with the Texas Ethics Commission. Garza’s listed expenses include a $900 dinner held last Christmas Eve at an expensive steak restaurant.
http://www.woai.com/content/blogs/briancollister/story/Politician-in-hot-water-for-paying-wife/AjnBwU_ZZkme_32VOMNpDA.cspx

[Winehole23]

you'd be screaming from the rooftops if blue teamers were doing something similar, Darrin.

[CuckingFunt]

you'd be screaming from the rooftops if blue teamers were doing something similar, Darrin.

Voter fraud!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Translation: "if my boy loses, I'm going to be butthurt" God bless

Pretty sure Timvp is a conservative. God bless.

[pad300]

you'd be screaming from the rooftops if blue teamers were doing something similar, Darrin.

Who are you kidding, they are:
http://twitchy.com/2012/11/01/whoa-voting-machines-in-ohio-nc-nev-switching-romney-votes-to-votes-for-obama/

Personally, I think it's not much on either side. I always find touchscreens are a pain in the ass, and they are not really designed for a 10000 or so people poking at them in a day. The just don't register that well.

[pad300]

Damnit, why is everything double posting? Is it because of that auto-update thing?

[MannyIsGod]

Already setting up the conspiracy scenarios. Lol

Conspiracy? AFAIK its a fucked up machine. You're projecting. You do this a lot.

[leemajors]

CBS reporting on software update in OH:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57545531/ohio-faces-controversy-over-voting-machines-update/

[Winehole23]

pad300: I was talking to Darrin, not addressing red team generically.

[boutons_deux]

Hundsted just fixing his place in the Repug Pantheon of election stealers, like K. Harris, etc.

[Winehole23]

CBS reporting on software update in OH:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_162-57545531/ohio-faces-controversy-over-voting-machines-update/
In 2010, 10 percent of ES&S machines failed pre-election testing in Ohio's (http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04/some_cuyahoga_countys_voting_m.html) Cuyahoga County.

[MannyIsGod]

Lee posts an article where the journalist specifically says he's not pushing conspiracy theories.

2 posts later Darrin says people are pushing conspiracy theories.

Don't ever change, Darrin.

[leemajors]

Lee posts an article where the journalist specifically says he's not pushing conspiracy theories.

2 posts later Darrin says people are pushing conspiracy theories.

Don't ever change, Darrin.

I made sure to put that second part in :lol

[pad300]

pad300: I was talking to Darrin, not addressing red team generically.

I'm not really red team per se; I'm a canadian. I just find US elections amusing - because of all the shit that goes on - and terrifying, because I (and the world) have to live with the results. I want Romney-Ryan win this time, because they are the ones promising an attempt at fiscal sanity. If your economy crashes, ALL of us have excedrin headache 357...

and for more entertainment, Vote Fraud:

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-people-go-to-vote-ballots-already-cast-in-their-names-others-vote-more-than-once/

[pad300]

God damn the double posts...

[Th'Pusher]

I'm not really red team per se; I'm a canadian. I just find US elections amusing - because of all the shit that goes on - and terrifying, because I (and the world) have to live with the results. I want Romney-Ryan win this time, because they are the ones promising an attempt at fiscal sanity. If your economy crashes, ALL of us have excedrin headache 357...

and for more entertainment, Vote Fraud:

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-people-go-to-vote-ballots-already-cast-in-their-names-others-vote-more-than-once/

Yeah a 20% across the board tax cut when you're $16T in debt. That's what I call fiscal sanity.

[boutons_deux]

"because they are the ones promising an attempt at fiscal sanity"

:lol If they win and Ryan's budget ideas get implemented, $5T+ will be added to the national deficit, and there will be huge depression again from govt austerity, exactly like Europe and any other country that cuts govt spending in a depression.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol I'm not going to get mad at the Canadian for not understanding that Romney/Ryan are FOS on that account but I will laugh at the thought.

[Warlord23]

I want Romney-Ryan win this time, because they are the ones promising an attempt at fiscal sanity.

Does not compute. Please explain how they will slash the budget or reduce the national debt while cutting taxes and increasing military spending. Look at America's history and tell me which Republican president after Nixon balanced the budget.

[pad300]

Fiscal Sanity is spending less money than you bring in. Which does mean gutting a bunch of entitlements, and doing what the Canadians did with the national pension (OAS for you folks) a while back: Going to investment funding vs ponzi scheme funding....

[pad300]

The republicans are the only party who might be willing to cut entitlements. The democrats are bred in the bone opposed to cutting entitlements.

The dirty little secret of the Ryan plan is that they are going to be stuck with cutting entitlements - they just don't want to campaign on it.... but if they try and implement, they will end up there.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm not really red team per se; I'm a canadian. I just find US elections amusing - because of all the shit that goes on - and terrifying, because I (and the world) have to live with the results. I want Romney-Ryan win this time, because they are the ones promising an attempt at fiscal sanity. If your economy crashes, ALL of us have excedrin headache 357...

and for more entertainment, Vote Fraud:

http://twitchy.com/2012/11/06/voter-fraud-people-go-to-vote-ballots-already-cast-in-their-names-others-vote-more-than-once/

Romney's "attempt" at fiscal sanity will be about as successful as an attempt to get to the moon by flapping your arms very fast.

[LnGrrrR]

The republicans are the only party who might be willing to cut entitlements. The democrats are bred in the bone opposed to cutting entitlements.

The dirty little secret of the Ryan plan is that they are going to be stuck with cutting entitlements - they just don't want to campaign on it.... but if they try and implement, they will end up there.

Except that Democrats were willing to cut entitlements if Republicans were willing to raise taxes... guess what happened there? Saying you're willing to cut entitlements, but not able to list any that actually would make a dent in the budget, isn't really serious.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The republicans are the only party who might be willing to cut entitlements. The democrats are bred in the bone opposed to cutting entitlements.

Both parties have supporters who expect and get their entitlements. Minorities in Cleveland getting food stamps and Obamaphones are one of the many kinds of entitlements bankrupting this country.

[pad300]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_the_U.S._federal_budget_is_spen t_on_entitlements

56% of the total budget. If you want it to balance, you are going to have to hit entitlements. The democrats won't do it. The republicans might do it. The choice is pretty easy. If the Tea party had their own candidate slate, I'd be hoping for them...

[pad300]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_the_U.S._federal_budget_is_spen t_on_entitlements

56% of the total budget. If you want it to balance, you are going to have to hit entitlements. The democrats won't do it. The republicans might do it. The choice is pretty easy. If the Tea party had their own candidate slate, I'd be hoping for them...

[MannyIsGod]

:lol Surely no member of the GOP has ever claimed to be a fiscal conservative before only to turn out to be FOS.

[coyotes_geek]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percentage_of_the_U.S._federal_budget_is_spen t_on_entitlements

56% of the total budget. If you want it to balance, you are going to have to hit entitlements.

True.


The democrats won't do it. The republicans will pretend they want to do it. The choice is pretty easy. If the Tea party had their own candidate slate, I'd be hoping for them...

FIFY true.

[Warlord23]

Fiscal Sanity is spending less money than you bring in. Which does mean gutting a bunch of entitlements, and doing what the Canadians did with the national pension (OAS for you folks) a while back: Going to investment funding vs ponzi scheme funding....

Listen bud, I'm not saying fiscal sanity cannot be done. It will take entitlement reform and tax increases to get it done. My question is what makes you think a Republican administration will do it? You say they will "try and implement it" - what's the basis for that? The Red Team won't even let Medicare negotiate lower prices with providers. They are not interested in making government programs more efficient, they just want their donor corporations to feed at the trough uninterrupted!

The only thing Romney's definitely going to do is to cut taxes and then hope that everything else works out (higher growth, more jobs, therefore more tax revenue and less social spending). But the problem with that hypothesis is that it hasn't ever worked out. A recent Tax Policy Center study showed that tax cuts had no result on growth, and the red team basically wanted to put a lid on the report. They don't have anything new; they have exactly one medicine in their arsenal and they don't care about the patient's actual disease.

Romney would win this election running away if he had said he would do both entitlement reform and increase taxes to bridge the deficit. He won't do it, because his donors don't want that.

[pad300]

:lol Surely no member of the GOP has ever claimed to be a fiscal conservative before only to turn out to be FOS.

The word I used was "might" .... You don't get what on the label. But some hope is better than none.

[pad300]

:lol Surely no member of the GOP has ever claimed to be a fiscal conservative before only to turn out to be FOS.

The word I used was "might" .... You don't get what on the label. But some hope is better than none.

[Warlord23]

The word I used was "might" .... You don't get what on the label. But some hope is better than none.

Let me save you the trouble ... they "might" but they "won't"

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How fiscally responsible were the Republicans from 2001-2008 tbh

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This guy is the first person (and will probably always be the only person) to praise Canada's government then advocate the Republican. What a total contradiction :lol

[pad300]

Maybe. The democrats won't. Without scare quotes...

[Th'Pusher]

Maybe. The democrats won't. Without scare quotes...

Negotiations this year broke down due to proposed tax increases, not entitlement reform.

[Warlord23]

Maybe. The democrats won't. Without scare quotes...

So your argument is that people should vote based on what the GOP says, not what it has been doing.

"Matt Bonner says he is interested in winning a championship. Therefore he "might" win the championship. Let's give him a max contract". Completely disregarding Matt Bonner's actual track record.

The two major parties have done a great job of providing an illusion of choice while not having the stomach or a realistic plan to tackle the problem.

[pad300]

How fiscally responsible were the Republicans from 2001-2008 tbh

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/OBAMAFAILDEFICITSCBO.jpg

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/OBAMAFAILDEFICITSCBO.jpg

Anything stick out to you? I'll admit the Bush II years were not particularly good financially, but...

[pad300]

How fiscally responsible were the Republicans from 2001-2008 tbh

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/OBAMAFAILDEFICITSCBO.jpg

http://cdn.pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/OBAMAFAILDEFICITSCBO.jpg

Anything stick out to you? I'll admit the Bush II years were not particularly good financially, but...

[pad300]

So your argument is that people should vote based on what the GOP says, not what it has been doing.

"Matt Bonner says he is interested in winning a championship. Therefore he "might" win the championship. Let's give him a max contract". Completely disregarding Matt Bonner's actual track record.

The two major parties have done a great job of providing an illusion of choice while not having the stomach or a realistic plan to tackle the problem.

Your argument is 1998. The Spurs have never won a ring. Therefore they never will. Except the personnel changed...
The Tea party is having a huge influence on the republican primary processes. The personnel is changing. Maybe not fast enough, but here's to hoping.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So a few things.

1) Does that graph account for the interest accumumating on the debt racked up from 2001-2008?

2) Does that graph account for the fact Bush didn't include the wars on his budget thereby grossly understating the deficit?

3) When Willard adds 5 trillion in tax cuts and 2 trillion in defense spending, how do you think that's gonna impact your graph?

4) Why did you dodge the question I asked regarding were the Republicans fiscally responsible from 2001-2008? It was a yes or no question that takes no effort to answer.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Your argument is 1998. The Spurs have never won a ring. Therefore they never will. Except the personnel changed...
The Tea party is having a huge influence on the republican primary processes. The personnel is changing. Maybe not fast enough, but here's to hoping.

:lmao thinking the tea party influence is gonna help. The crybaby tea partiers in congress were what prevented Obama and Boehner from getting a deal done and were the cause of the S&P's credit downgrade.

PS - Why did the tea baggers suddenly start caring about our deficit in 2009? Where was their concern when we had record deficits during Bush?

[Warlord23]

So a few things.

1) Does that graph account for the interest accumumating on the debt racked up from 2001-2008?

2) Does that graph account for the fact Bush didn't include the wars on his budget thereby grossly understating the deficit?

3) When Willard adds 5 trillion in tax cuts and 2 trillion in defense spending, how do you think that's gonna impact your graph?

4) Why did you dodge the question I asked regarding were the Republicans fiscally responsible from 2001-2008? It was a yes or no question that takes no effort to answer.

Bingo.

[Warlord23]

Your argument is 1998. The Spurs have never won a ring. Therefore they never will. Except the personnel changed...
The Tea party is having a huge influence on the republican primary processes. The personnel is changing. Maybe not fast enough, but here's to hoping.

If you think a bunch of intransigent ideologues who don't understand the mathematics behind policy will help solve a problem that will definitely need a multi-pronged solution, you're deluded.

[pad300]

So a few things.

1) Does that graph account for the interest accumumating on the debt racked up from 2001-2008?

2) Does that graph account for the fact Bush didn't include the wars on his budget thereby grossly understating the deficit?

3) When Willard adds 5 trillion in tax cuts and 2 trillion in defense spending, how do you think that's gonna impact your graph?

4) Why did you dodge the question I asked regarding were the Republicans fiscally responsible from 2001-2008? It was a yes or no question that takes no effort to answer.

1), 2) All gov't spending included. Interest, wars, all of it.
3) I doubt they will actually add $2 Billion in defence spending. A feature of your political system is they will have to compromise with the democrats somewhere. The tax cuts might just work out in the gov'ts favor overall. They did for Reagan.
4) Gone blind? "I'll admit the Bush II years were not particularly good financially, but... " Bush II still looks at LOT better than Obama.

[pad300]

So a few things.

1) Does that graph account for the interest accumumating on the debt racked up from 2001-2008?

2) Does that graph account for the fact Bush didn't include the wars on his budget thereby grossly understating the deficit?

3) When Willard adds 5 trillion in tax cuts and 2 trillion in defense spending, how do you think that's gonna impact your graph?

4) Why did you dodge the question I asked regarding were the Republicans fiscally responsible from 2001-2008? It was a yes or no question that takes no effort to answer.

1), 2) All gov't spending included. Interest, wars, all of it.
3) I doubt they will actually add $2 Billion in defence spending. A feature of your political system is they will have to compromise with the democrats somewhere. The tax cuts might just work out in the gov'ts favor overall. They did for Reagan.
4) Gone blind? "I'll admit the Bush II years were not particularly good financially, but... " Bush II still looks at LOT better than Obama.

[MannyIsGod]

Apparently the reason Romney Ryan is going to lose today is because they did their best campaigning in Canada.

[pad300]

:lmao thinking the tea party influence is gonna help. The crybaby tea partiers in congress were what prevented Obama and Boehner from getting a deal done and were the cause of the S&P's credit downgrade.

PS - Why did the tea baggers suddenly start caring about our deficit in 2009? Where was their concern when we had record deficits during Bush?

The US budget doesn't need another "deal" to kick the can down the the road. They ain't no more road. It needs bunch of "intransigent ideologues" with axes...

[pad300]

:lmao thinking the tea party influence is gonna help. The crybaby tea partiers in congress were what prevented Obama and Boehner from getting a deal done and were the cause of the S&P's credit downgrade.

PS - Why did the tea baggers suddenly start caring about our deficit in 2009? Where was their concern when we had record deficits during Bush?

The US budget doesn't need another "deal" to kick the can down the the road. They ain't no more road. It needs bunch of "intransigent ideologues" with axes...

[pad300]

Apparently the reason Romney Ryan is going to lose today is because they did their best campaigning in Canada.

I guess we will find out...

[Warlord23]

We've gone over the math regarding Bush and Obama's spending on this forum before. Scott pulled together the data in a prior thread:


Government Receipts & Expenditures by Year

Year 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996
Total receipts 1,159.3 1,237.0 1,337.2 1,422.8 1,543.9
Total expenditures 1,487.5 1,534.8 1,566.5 1,631.4 1,697.8
Net lending or net borrowing (-) -328.2 -297.8 -229.3 -208.7 -153.9

Year 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001
Total receipts 1,676.7 1,803.0 1,923.7 2,085.2 2,048.2
Total expenditures 1,728.8 1,761.0 1,828.7 1,900.6 2,014.1
Net lending or net borrowing (-) -52.1 42.0 95.0 184.7 34.2

Year 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Total receipts 1,884.6 1,907.1 2,038.5 2,315.1 2,552.4
Total expenditures 2,162.6 2,329.3 2,465.4 2,667.4 2,799.6
Net lending or net borrowing (-) -278.0 -422.2 -426.8 -352.4 -247.2

Year 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
Total receipts 2,681.2 2,530.5 2,247.1 2,410.5 2,529.2
Total expenditures 2,996.2 3,286.7 3,704.5 3,901.0 3,923.2
Net lending or net borrowing (-) -315.0 -756.2 -1,457.4 -1,490.5 -1,394.1

Source: US Department of Commerce, Bureau of Economic Analysis http://www.bea.gov/

My subsequent analysis:

Bush
Expenditure that he inherited from Clinton [2000]: 1.9 Trillion
Expenditure at the end of his tenure [2008]: 3.286 Trillion
CAGR: 7.1% per annum over 8 years

Obama
Expenditure that he inherited from Bush [2008]: 3.286 Trillion
Expenditure at the end of last year [2011]: 3.923 Trillion
CAGR: 6.1% per annum over 3 years

Bush spent money while cutting taxes. Obama did nothing to reverse those tax cuts and continued spending. However, the numbers beg the question: why wasn't the Tea Party formed during 8 years of 7% spending hikes under a Republican president? Why did it get formed within the first year of Obama's presidency, and why are his spending hikes portrayed as much worse than his predecessor's?

johnsmith summarizing it eloquently:

This thread is such a kick ass example of what's wrong with politics in America and why guys like Boutons are actually right that this country is fucked (I refuse to use the word unfuckable because it sounds fucking retarded).

OP: Our debt is 16 trillion
Repub: Thanks for nothing Obama
Dem: Your guy started it
Repub: Your guy made it worse
Dem: Yeah but your guy started it.

Repub/Dem: Vote for my guy and it will change.

[ElNono]

Jack is salty mad already and it's only noon... gonna be a long day

[ChumpDumper]

So I know the presidential election will get the most attention but there are a lot of other races that are interesting. There are some local bond issues here that I'm really interested in and things like the SA preK will be interesting to watch as well.Here I'm mostly interested in which city council scheme is adopted. I've got a bad feeling there will still be at large council members after today. The richers won't give up so easily.

[ChumpDumper]

Jack is salty mad already and it's only noon... gonna be a long dayI love the "worst prez evah" being thrown around. Folks have no knowledge of history.

[Warlord23]

Conclusion: both sides know what the problem is, but they will not do what it takes to solve it.

The 10 biggest corporations will continue to pay less than 10% in taxes.
Oil company subsidies will continue.
Crony capitalism will be alive and well.
The boomers will get to keep their freebies.

But don't worry, Mitt Romney is here to assure you that he will cut taxes, buy more warships, magically create 12 million jobs (the rationale behind this number itself is hilarious, but that's a different topic altogether), de-fund PBS and Planned Parenthood and the budget will be balanced!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

1), 2) All gov't spending included. Interest, wars, all of it.
So whoever made the graph went back and added the wars to what the deficit was reported as each year from 2001-2008? Methinks you're wrong.


3) I doubt they will actually add $2 Billion in defence spending. A feature of your political system is they will have to compromise with the democrats somewhere. The tax cuts might just work out in the gov'ts favor overall. They did for Reagan.
Oh where to begin.

1) Mitt Romney said he wants to add $2 trillion in defense spending. If him being fiscally responsible is contingent on the Democrats getting their way and lowering that number, it doesn't do much for your argument that the Democrats are fiscally irresponsible.

2) The tax cuts worked out well under Reagan? The national deficit exploded in his 8 years as president. It almost doubled as a percentage of GDP. Do you have more history you wish to revise?


4) Gone blind? "I'll admit the Bush II years were not particularly good financially, but... " Bush II still looks at LOT better than Obama.
You didn't answer the question. It was a yer or no question. Were the Republicans fiscally responsible from 2001-2008, yes or no? Lets see if you dodge it again.

[ElNono]

2) The tax cuts worked out well under Reagan? The national deficit exploded in his 8 years as president. It almost doubled as a percentage of GDP. Do you have more history you wish to revise?

:lol StRonnie cut taxes then proceeded to *raise* taxes for just as much or more (depending who you ask). All the while expanding government and putting it all on the government credit card.

Nothing says fiscal conservative like Star Wars! :lol

[scott]

We've gone over the math regarding Bush and Obama's spending on this forum before. Scott pulled together the data in a prior thread:



My subsequent analysis:


johnsmith summarizing it eloquently:

Do you have a link to this original thread? Would like to look back at it, too lazy/stupid to search.

[Heath Ledger]

Romeny wants to cut taxes and cut spending lol......... seems legit.

[Winehole23]

Here I'm mostly interested in which city council scheme is adopted. I've got a bad feeling there will still be at large council members after today. The richers won't give up so easily.nope. there's been surprisingly little chatter on the facebook about the Travis Co. ballot, and there's plenty on it this time.

[Heath Ledger]

The governement has been raising taxes for years, by watering down our dollar in the form of inflation.

[Warlord23]

Do you have a link to this original thread? Would like to look back at it, too lazy/stupid to search.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202923

[ChumpDumper]

nope. there's been surprisingly little chatter on the facebook about the Travis Co. ballot, and there's plenty on it this time.Yeah, I really don't have a read on that issue or the medical school tax.

Weird stuff.

[LnGrrrR]

Apparently the reason Romney Ryan is going to lose today is because they did their best campaigning in Canada.

:lmao

[Winehole23]

The latest data show approximately 230,000 absentee ballots [in Ohio] that have not been returned, which, if postmarked by today, can arrive as late as ten days after the election. The margin of victory in 2008, a landslide by modern standards that no one expects to see repeated in this election, was 262,224 votes. So there is the very real possibility that we may be waiting ten days or more to get the final answer.http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/332645/election-crystal-ball-nro-symposium#

[z0sa]

It will all come down to turnout.

[Clipper Nation]

I love the "worst prez evah" being thrown around. Folks have no knowledge of history.
Seriously.... Nixon, Dubya, and Hamilton have that shit on LOCK, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

Conclusion: both sides know what the problem is, but they will not do what it takes to solve it.

The 10 biggest corporations will continue to pay less than 10% in taxes.
Oil company subsidies will continue.
Crony capitalism will be alive and well.
The boomers will get to keep their freebies.
Also, the Fed will keep debasing our currency at alarming rates, and idiots will still trade liberty for temporary safety....

[ChumpDumper]

http://petemergencymelbourne.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ConfusedDog.jpg
Hamliton?

[Clipper Nation]

http://petemergencymelbourne.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ConfusedDog.jpg
Hamliton?
Actually, replace Hamilton with Wilson... Wilson invented the Fed...

[DarrinS]

Judge ordered Obama mural at Philly polling place to be covered.


Problem solved. Definitely can't tell what's behind that paper.


http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Politics/philly_mural2.jpg


Does that mural have a Hitler stache? Or, is that just a shadow?

[Wild Cobra]

I hope that isn't a public place with a partisan message on the wall.

Does that fulfill the requirements of the "Hatch Act:" or similar legislation? I think not.

[Wild Cobra]

That is at the 35th ward-D18 Franklin School. I thought it was illegal for schools to have partisan pictures displayed outside of a set of "official" pictures, limited to a display of the current government members.

[ChumpDumper]

That is at the 35th ward-D18 Franklin School. I thought it was illegal for schools to have partisan pictures displayed outside of a set of "official" pictures limited to a display of the current government.I'm just going to save some time and assume you are completely and utterly wrong.

[timvp]

Manny, take my damn bet :lol

[DarrinS]

That is at the 35th ward-D18 Franklin School. I thought it was illegal for schools to have partisan pictures displayed outside of a set of "official" pictures, limited to a display of the current government members.


As long as it's not a depiction of Jesus, no one will make a fuss.

[MannyIsGod]

Whats the bet TBH?

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao @ the two resident retards upset about the picture of Obama

HOW dare they post that picture of our president!?!?!?!?!??! Don't they know he's a democrat?!?!?! AND BLACK!

[Wild Cobra]

The order isn't even being followed:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7CIGOACcAAsGHN.jpg (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/judge-reportedly-orders-pro-obama-mural-be-covered-up-at-philly-polling-station/)

It is not "covered in its entirety."

[timvp]

Whats the bet TBH?

From the Nate Silver thread, tbh.

I paypal you $125 if Romney wins.

If Obama wins, you paypal boutons_deux $10 and DarrinS $1.

If you believe Silver's 90% claims, this is a no-brainer bet for you.

:hungry:

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao I accept the bet. Boutons just got 10 bucks richer.

[ChumpDumper]

The order isn't even being followed:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A7CIGOACcAAsGHN.jpg

It is not "covered in its entirety."Throw them all in jail!

Especially the little girl!

She's a black panther!

[timvp]

:lmao I accept the bet. Boutons just got 10 bucks richer.

YWIA, boutons and darrins. :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Is that a transcript of the court ruling cause it looks photoshopped. The edges of the paper don't line up perfectly when you look at the individual pixels. Paper is a striaght line yet the pixels show it to be a jagged edge.

[ChumpDumper]

Is that a transcript of the court ruling cause it looks photoshopped. The edges of the paper don't line up perfectly when you look at the individual pixels. Paper is a striaght line yet the pixels show it to be a jagged edge.I demand to see the judge's birth certificate.

[DarrinS]

Is that a transcript of the court ruling cause it looks photoshopped. The edges of the paper don't line up perfectly when you look at the individual pixels. Paper is a striaght line yet the pixels show it to be a jagged edge.

They pretty much ignored the order anyway.

[coyotes_geek]

Is that a transcript of the court ruling cause it looks photoshopped. The edges of the paper don't line up perfectly when you look at the individual pixels. Paper is a striaght line yet the pixels show it to be a jagged edge.

I'm sure one of our resident red team / PDF experts will be along shortly to clear this up for us.

[MannyIsGod]

Yup, look at the way the text is. WC is posting a photoshop.

http://i.imgur.com/LrknN.jpg

Using my knowledge of photoshop light angles I an currently running an algorithm to triangulate WC's location so that when I report him to the authorities they know where to go. People who skew the election process deserve to be deported to Canada, IMO. Then if he's ever seen crossing back over the border he needs to be shot on sight.

I should have his location in the next 22 minutes.

[ChumpDumper]

You can see the layers!

[Wild Cobra]

How you doing Manny?

Timer's up!

[ElNono]

can't wait for the $5 million Trump challenge to the judge if he discloses his personal records to "his satisfaction"

[djohn2oo8]

How you doing Manny?

Timer's up!

What's that girl's address in your sig?

[Wild Cobra]

What's that girl's address in your sig?
I don't know, but if you go to a Seahawks game, you will probably see her.

[MannyIsGod]

How you doing Manny?

Timer's up!

The authorities are on their way but they're confused as to why the address I gave them is at a parts store.

[LnGrrrR]

That is at the 35th ward-D18 Franklin School. I thought it was illegal for schools to have partisan pictures displayed outside of a set of "official" pictures, limited to a display of the current government members.

1) I'm not sure if a picture of our current president is necessarily "partisan"

2) Why do you want to limit their right to free speech?

[timvp]

So how much longer for the networks claim Romney is "rallying" and how it's "closer" than expected? Need dem ratings, tbh.

[Drachen]

God damn the double posts...

We are American, so we don't generally listen to Canadians. Spurstalk Software v. 2.0 recognizes this and feels sympathy so it double posts what you are trying to say in order to give you twice the chance at catching the attention of at least one of us.

[Wild Cobra]

1) I'm not sure if a picture of our current president is necessarily "partisan"

2) Why do you want to limit their right to free speech?

I don't know to what extent they apply, or if it was specific state laws, but there have been ruling on this issue. At least in some places, it is illegal for such displays in public schools. They are limited to a set of photos of the current administration. Standard, official photos only.

[Warlord23]

So how much longer for the networks claim Romney is "rallying" and how it's "closer" than expected? Need dem ratings, tbh.

Don't worry bro, Romney has this in the bag. Only drama left is whether he racks up 300. Believe.

[MannyIsGod]

Believe

[DarrinS]

Nate Silver just blogged that Romney's chances are 1,000,000 to 1.

[Drachen]

Nate Silver just blogged that Romney's chances are 1,000,000 to 1.

doesn't this adjust the amounts that MIG gets paid/will have to pay?

[ChumpDumper]

Nate Silver just blogged that Romney's chances are 1,000,000 to 1.You just posted about Nate Silver again.

[ElNono]

Nate Silver just blogged that Romney's chances are 1,000,000 to 1.

where?

[ElNono]

BTW, this is Silver's tweeter feed:
https://twitter.com/fivethirtyeight

[FYM]

Obama is gonna win that shit with not a lot of stress

[Dan Rather]

My gut tells me Romney is going to have a very good night.

[Drachen]

It's about that time for it to start.

[timvp]

Believe

:lol

The 2010 Bogans Spurs had a better chance than Romney does tonight, tbh.

[TE]

Well within the next 2 hours, we'll know the results of several swing states...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I should have his location in the next 22 minutes.


You can see the layers!

:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Well within the next 2 hours, we'll know the results of several swing states...

Eh, no. We'll have early indicators but I would doubt if any swing state is called the moment polls close.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Instead of wasting my vote on Obama and Romney, I voted for Gary Johnson.

[JoeChalupa]

Just saw a tweet from Sean Hannity saying Obama loses Ohio.

[timvp]

Just saw a tweet from Sean Hannity saying Obama loses Ohio.

Welp, sounds like Manny just got $125 richer.

[MannyIsGod]

Best site for results?

[MannyIsGod]

Welp, sounds like Manny just got $125 richer.

:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Just saw a tweet from Sean Hannity saying Obama loses Ohio.

:lmao

[timvp]

http://drudgereport.com/siren.gif
R: NC, FL
O: NH, PA, MI, NV
TOSS UP: OH, VA, CO, IA
http://drudgereport.com/siren.gif

[MannyIsGod]

Romney's own campaign saying Obama looks to be +5 in OH.

Can't win without Ohio.

[ElNono]

Pippen playing basketball with Barry today... :lol

http://i45.tinypic.com/zogcyb.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Pippen playing basketball with Barry today... :lol

http://i45.tinypic.com/zogcyb.jpgPanthers!

[MannyIsGod]

Naturally. Pippen is black so of course he's voting for Obama. Obama's locked up the NBA vote.

[ploto]

Truth is we may not have a call on Ohio at all tonight. Between the still outstanding 200,000 absentee ballots that do not have to be postmarked until today and the possibility of 200,000 provisional ballots that will not be counted for a week, they may not have a winner for a while.

[ploto]

Naturally. Pippen is black so of course he's voting for Obama. Obama's locked up the NBA vote.

Wonder if Pippen was on his team. Word is that Obama's team won the game today.

[TE]

Pippen playing basketball with Barry today... :lol

http://i45.tinypic.com/zogcyb.jpg
:lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Naturally. Pippen is black so of course he's voting for Obama. Obama's locked up the NBA vote.

Rumor has it he was gonna tell Trump to donate $5,000,000 to the NBA after showing him his academic records.

It was between the NBA, inner city kids, and sickle cell anemia research.

[ploto]

6:00

Is there a call on Virginia?

[ploto]

Double post

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao CNN stationing Crowley at the Romney camp

[ploto]

:lmao CNN stationing Crowley at the Romney camp

:lol

[timvp]

A red teamer was actually told me Obama was unAmerican for wasting his time playing basketball on such an important day. smh

[MannyIsGod]

Rumor has it he was gonna tell Trump to donate $5,000,000 to the NBA after showing him his academic records.

It was between the NBA, inner city kids, and sickle cell anemia research.

Trump would never go for the NBA. Too much like reparations, TBH.

[ElNono]

A red teamer was actually told me Obama was unAmerican for wasting his time playing basketball on such an important day. smh

But he's voting for a guy that never had a beer :lol

[MannyIsGod]

A red teamer was actually told me Obama was unAmerican for wasting his time playing basketball on such an important day. smh

Did you tell the red teamer that Obama had a flag pin on his jersey?

[ploto]

CNN with voter profiles in Va. Evangelical turnout down.

[MannyIsGod]

No surprise, honestly. Evangelicals don't want to vote for a mormon.

[ChumpDumper]

CNN with voter profiles in Va. Evangelical turnout down.There wasn't a Christian in the race, so why bother?

[ploto]

Virginia too close to call.

[MannyIsGod]

ROMNEY WINNING 8 TO 3!!!!!!!!

ZOMG.

[djohn2oo8]

lol Wolf Blitzer jizzing himself already

[MannyIsGod]

I really don't want to watch Wolf Blitzer. Are the network broadcasts on? I wish PBS had some thing on.

[ElNono]

Kentucky (8) projected winner: Mitt Romney

[MannyIsGod]

lol Wolf Blitzer jizzing himself already

Exactly. So annoying.

[MannyIsGod]

I didn't hear what state they said but black voter turnout even higher than 2008? Was that OH?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Kentucky (8) projected winner: Mitt Romney

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/2391/lopezs.gif

[ElNono]

I didn't hear what state they said but black voter turnout even higher than 2008? Was that OH?

VA

[DeadlyDynasty]

Looks like Ohio will probably go to Obama

[DJ Mbenga]

interesting. A CNN reporter says Romney's internal polling of Ohio had him down 5 points Sunday.

[ElNono]

Indiana projected winner: Mitt Romney

[ElNono]

Vermont projected winner: Barack Obama

[DeadlyDynasty]

Hopefully my state doesn't let everybody down like they did(nt) in 2000

[Brazil]

http://politicslive.cnn.com/Style/Images/twitterBird.png (http://twitter.com/)Mark Preston (https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=PrestonCNN) @PrestonCNN (https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=PrestonCNN)
Romney wins: Kentucky; Obama wins: Vermont, CNN Projects

[ElNono]

Some Florida voters accidentally told Election Day is Wednesday (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/florida-voter-robocalls-174406076--election.html)

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

"accidently" SMH

[ploto]

Voters still in line to vote in Democratic heavy Northern Virginia.

[timvp]

http://oi46.tinypic.com/erhb0k.jpg

:lobt2:

[Brazil]

http://politicslive.cnn.com/Style/Images/twitterBird.png (http://twitter.com/)Piers Morgan (https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=piersmorgan) @piersmorgan (https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=piersmorgan)
Wow, it really IS going to be close > CNN Exit Polls in Virginia: 49-49 tie #Election (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Election&src=hash)

thank you Piers

[DJ Mbenga]

James Carville "I wanna let you in on something... We don't know"

[Brazil]

http://politicslive.cnn.com/Style/Images/twitterBird.png (http://twitter.com/)David Gergen (https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=David_Gergen) @David_Gergen (https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=David_Gergen)
Remember early exits often wrong but so far, news from Va not encouraging for Mitt. He needs Va big time -- exit says tied. #CNNElections (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23CNNElections&src=hash)

[MannyIsGod]

We can call it now for Romney, LJ. Go ahead and send the money, IMO.

[ElNono]

Will this hold?

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/FL#president

[MannyIsGod]

LOL at the hispanic republican on CNN already trying to hedge and talk about how Obama is weaker if he wins.

So good.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That beandip Republican on CNN for whatever reason bothers the hell out of me. Moreso than other Republican commentators.

[ElNono]

Will this hold?

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/FL#president

Me, it was 54%-46% in favor of Barry when I posted... looks like it keeps updating... now it's tied up

[Heath Ledger]

If Obama wins Ohio or Virginia its pretty much over.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Will this hold?

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/FL#president


I did my part there...:lol

[Heath Ledger]

Obama is expected to get off to an early lead until the republicans get out of work.

[ElNono]

I did my part there...:lol

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

That beandip Republican on CNN for whatever reason bothers the hell out of me. Moreso than other Republican commentators.
Probably cuz he changed his name from Alejandro to Alex to sound less of a beandip :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

Btw, who has the best election coverage (no, I'm not gonna watch FNC)?

[MannyIsGod]

I'm watching CNN but I'd hardley say its the best. I'm just not going to watch Fox or MSNBC.

[timvp]

http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif R 53% O 46% http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif







:lol Gotta love Drudge, tnbh.

[TE]

FL is going back and forth.

[ElNono]

Wife has TV on ABC right now... I'm tuned to Spurstalk :hat

[scampers]

I generally like CNN's coverage for elections. But fuck, Wolf Blitzer is horrible and gives me headaches.

[DJ Mbenga]

got cnn . Sounds like they are gonna take a safe route projecting AMD I like john kings county analysis .

[ChumpDumper]

http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif R 53% O 46% http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif






:lol Gotta love Drudge, tnbh.The fraud hasn't started yet.

[ploto]

Ohio...

Will they even call it?

How close will NC be?

Romney will win but by how much?

[BRHornet45]

I'm watching CNN but I'd hardley say its the best. I'm just not going to watch Fox or MSNBC.

And sons this is why Manny is God. Smart man. Don't buy into either of those networks unless its the eye candy on Fox.

[ploto]

Ohio voters

60% approve of auto bailout

[ploto]

Double post

[timvp]

Tbh, I miss Tim Russert for nights like tonight.

[DeadlyDynasty]

West Va. Goes Romney

[TE]

West Virginia goes

[ploto]

NC too close to call

Good news for Obama

[ploto]

NC too close to call

Exit poll CNN 49-49

Surprise!

[DJ Mbenga]

lol wolf Blitzer nearly yelled when he said wow

[ploto]

CNN Ohip exit poll Obama 51-48

[TE]

Obama up in FL. It's going back and forth

[DeadlyDynasty]

Come on, Florida...hold the fuck on.

[DJ Mbenga]

wow N.C. Too close? CNN had it lean romney

[MannyIsGod]

Wolf Blitzer is going to need a change of pants.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Miami-Dade County representing:smokin

[MannyIsGod]

Dude on CNN sporting nice combover.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Dude on CNN sporting nice combover.
Kaine is much more tolerable than Blitzer though:lol

[MannyIsGod]

YdVMGKOFIwY

[MannyIsGod]

Skyfall looks legit TBH

[Kori Ellis]

What? It's Election Day ;)

This is my favorite day in four years to read the political forum.

Did everyone vote?

[TE]

NM

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Florida seems more and more like it's gonna swing Obama. Very surprising if that continues.

[ElNono]

Florida seems more and more like it's gonna swing Obama. Very surprising if that continues.

That would be the ultimate troll job by seniors, tbh :lol

[Drachen]

I wish CNN would just keep Kate Bolduan and Soladad Obrian onscreen

[DeadlyDynasty]

Did everyone vote?
:tu

Florida seems more and more like it's gonna swing Obama. Very surprising if that continues.
:tu

[Clipper Nation]

That would be the ultimate troll job by seniors, tbh :lol

Tbh, the seniors are getting their handouts either way, might as well go for free Jitterbug phones as well... :lol

[redzero]

Did everyone vote?

Fuck no.

[Clipper Nation]

Did everyone vote?

Wrote in Ron Paul, tbh...

[ElNono]

didn't even register here, tbh... not enough time to get familiar with the local politics, which is the only ones I would actually care about

[pass1st]

South Park already titled their next episode "Obama Wins!"

[ElNono]

tbh, Florida looks like a remake of the 2000 election... 10,000 votes difference right now

[Clipper Nation]

Obama opening up a big lead in North Carolina... 59%-40%...