well that didnt take long

[mavs>spurs]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107

bring it on commie, i'm loaded for bear


After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks



http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20121107&t=2&i=672062005&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CBRE8A61IEW00

By Louis Charbonneau
UNITED NATIONS (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/united-nations?lc=int_mb_1001) | Wed Nov 7, 2012 6:48pm EST

(Reuters) - Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected, the United States backed a U.N. committee's call on Wednesday to renew debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion global conventional arms trade.
U.N. delegates and gun control activists have complained that talks collapsed in July largely because Obama feared attacks from Republican rival Mitt Romney (http://www.reuters.com/people/mitt-romney?lc=int_mb_1001) if his administration was seen as supporting the pact, a charge Washington denies.
The month-long talks at U.N. headquarters broke off after the United States - along with Russia (http://www.reuters.com/places/russia) and other major arms producers - said it had problems with the draft treaty and asked for more time.
But the U.N. General Assembly's disarmament committee moved quickly after Obama's win to approve a resolution calling for a new round of talks March 18-28. It passed with 157 votes in favor, none against and 18 abstentions.
U.N. diplomats said the vote had been expected before Tuesday's U.S. presidential election but was delayed due to Superstorm Sandy, which caused a three-day closure of the United Nations last week.
An official at the U.S. mission said Washington's objectives have not changed.
"We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the official said.
"We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.
U.S. officials have acknowledged privately that the treaty under discussion would have no effect on domestic gun sales and ownership because it would apply only to exports.
The main reason the arms trade talks are taking place at all is that the United States - the world's biggest arms trader accounting for more than 40 percent of global conventional arms transfers - reversed U.S. policy on the issue after Obama was first elected and decided in 2009 to support a treaty.
'MONTHS AWAY' FROM DEAL?
Countries that abstained included Russia (http://www.reuters.com/places/russia?lc=int_mb_1001), Saudi Arabia (http://www.reuters.com/places/saudi-arabia?lc=int_mb_1001), Syria (http://www.reuters.com/places/syria?lc=int_mb_1001), Sudan, Belarus, Cuba and Iran (http://www.reuters.com/places/iran?lc=int_mb_1001).China (http://www.reuters.com/places/china), a major arms producer that has traditionally abstained, voted in favor.
Among the top six arms-exporting nations, Russia cast the only abstention. Britain, France (http://www.reuters.com/places/france) andGermany (http://www.reuters.com/places/germany?lc=int_mb_1001) joined China and the United States in support of the resolution.
The measure now goes to the 193-nation General Assembly for a formal vote. It is expected to pass.
The resolution said countries are "determined to build on the progress made to date towards the adoption of a strong, balanced and effective Arms Trade Treaty."
Jeff Abramson, director of Control Arms, a coalition of advocacy groups, urged states to agree on stringent provisions.
"In Syria (http://www.reuters.com/places/syria), we have seen the death toll rise well over 30,000, with weapons and ammunition pouring in the country for months now," he said. "We need a treaty that will set tough rules to control the arms trade, that will save lives and truly make the world a better place."
Brian Wood of Amnesty International said: "After today's resounding vote, if the larger arms trading countries show real political will in the negotiations, we're only months away from securing a new global deal that has the potential to stop weapons reaching those who seriously abuse human rights."
The treaty would require states to make respecting human rights a criterion for allowing arms exports.
Britain's U.N. mission said on its Twitter feed it hoped that the March negotiations would yield the final text of a treaty. Such a pact would then need to be ratified by the individual signatories before it could enter into force.
The National Rifle Association, the powerful U.S. interest group, strongly opposes the arms treaty and had endorsed Romney.
The United States has denied it sought to delay negotiations for political reasons, saying it had genuine problems with the draft as written.

[ChumpDumper]

So what do you think this treaty will do to the availability of guns in this country?

Or rather, what does Alex tell you to think?

[mavs>spurs]

there's no telling what kind of implications this thing will have before it's all said and done, nothing is set in stone yet

[ChumpDumper]

there's no telling what kind of implications this thing will have before it's all said and done, nothing is set in stone yetAlex said that?

Doesn't sound like him tbh.

[LnGrrrR]

OMG! They're talking about something!!!!

[mavs>spurs]

lol i don't know which is more pathetic, the lame alex jones smack or the fact that you admittedly listen to him more than i do. shows what type of fulfilling life you lead that you have time to post 71,000 times on a messageboard pestering other people with your rhetorical devices and listening to talk show all day just to get a kick out of what the "other team" is saying. cmon, spice your life up a little, change up the shtick once in a while. you're boring, that isn't what austin is about now is it? i thought austin was supposed to be all hipster and weird.

[ChumpDumper]

Post count and basement smack is so funky fresh, b.

I listen to Jones. You take him seriously.

[mavs>spurs]

I listen to Jones.

lol alex jones

[ChumpDumper]

lol alex joneslol trying to co-opt my line

[mavs>spurs]

lol just did bitch

[ChumpDumper]

lol transparent

Now you'll say the Foreskin Avenger was your idea.

[HI-FI]

Chump going balls deep in statism and sarcasm.

[mavs>spurs]

Shit, all this might lead to a ridiculous sequence of events leading to you actually thinking that was funny. Lol Foreskin Jones.

[ChumpDumper]

Shit, all this might lead to a ridiculous sequence of events leading to you actually thinking that was funny. Lol Foreskin Jones.Not as funny as your crusade, to be sure.

[Clipper Nation]

So what do you think this treaty will do to the availability of guns in this country?

Tbh, it means Barry will be handing out free gun licenses with every welfare check... :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Tbh, it means Barry will be handing out free gun licenses with every welfare check... :lolObamagun!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

God dammit Chump beat me to the Obamagun joke

I hope I get a free Obamagun with my Obamaphone.

[ElNono]

God dammit Chump beat me to the Obamagun joke

I hope I get a free Obamagun with my Obamaphone.

But it's gonna be regulated by the UN! :dramaquee

[Koolaid_Man]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/07/us-arms-treaty-un-idUSBRE8A627J20121107

bring it on commie, i'm loaded for bear




As CBS' Jan Greenburg writes in her article (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57547239/adviser-romney-shellshocked-by-loss/):


Romney was stoic as he talked the president, an aide said, but his wife Ann cried. Running mate Paul Ryan seemed genuinely shocked, the adviser said. Ryan's wife Janna also was shaken and cried softly.


...and Kool cried too....:lol thank you to the Neapolitan Coalition...

93 % of the Black vote
73 % of the Asian note
71 % of the Mexican vote
55% of female vote
40% of the white vote

Checkmate!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

whatup Kool tbh

[Koolaid_Man]

whatup Kool tbh

just enjoying listening to Sean Hannity, Rush Limpdick, Fox News and crew melt the fuck down....like Fresh Ice Tea or Lemonaide on a piping hot summer day....:hat

[ploto]

With what part of this do you have an issue?

"We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the official said.

"We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.

[Drachen]

With what part of this do you have an issue?

"We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the official said.

"We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.

The part of the article encompassed in the fifth and sixth word of the whole article.

[DarrinS]

whatup Kool tbh

Tbh stands for "to be honest", tbh

[mavs>spurs]

With what part of this do you have an issue?

"We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the official said.

"We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.
The part where your tits aren't out tbh

[DMC]

You have to look at these things like a golden calf. Buy some guns, ammo, magazines, wait for the panic, sell for double or more.

[DMC]

With what part of this do you have an issue?

"We seek a treaty that contributes to international security by fighting illicit arms trafficking and proliferation, protects the sovereign right of states to conduct legitimate arms trade, and meets the concerns that we have been articulating throughout," the official said.

"We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.

The way those words in the 2nd Amendment have been twisted to mean whatever the judge or governing state body wants it to mean doesn't give me comfort. We have states that do not allow firearms, states that register them, states that have some fat sheriff decide if you need one, so on and so forth. Only a couple states actually consider the 2nd Amendment at face value. The term "infringes" means different things just as the term "is" does, it seems.

[mercos]

This is just Obama's way of pumping money into the economy. He scares the wing nuts into thinking their guns are being taken away, and they go out in record numbers buying up every rifle, shotgun, and bullet in sight. Wing Nut Keynesianism tbh.

[Drachen]

This is just Obama's way of pumping money into the economy. He scares the wing nuts into thinking their guns are being taken away, and they go out in record numbers buying up every rifle, shotgun, and bullet in sight. Wing Nut Keynesianism tbh.

KENYANISM?!?!?

I fucking knew it.

[Latarian Milton]

whether approved or not it's only gonna affect the global arms trade, don't see it make any impact domestically tbh

[RandomGuy]

So what do you think this treaty will do to the availability of guns in this country?


The question remains.

My answer: Nuthin'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

This treaty is little more than an attempt to limit some shockingly horrific shit going on in some parts of the world, violence driven by arms trade

Since Russia and China are the ones selling this stuff, they oppose it, and have opposed it for a while.

It has fuckall to do with the 2nd amendment in this country, and everything to do with children drafted to be murderers, cannibals, and rapists.

Hopefully the UN can get this resolution done.

[boutons_deux]

America, arms-dealer to the world (http://www.salon.com/2012/01/24/america_arms_dealer_to_the_world/)

When it comes to weaponry, to paraphrase Seger, we’re still young and proud and makin’ Predators and Reapers (as in unmanned aerial vehicles, or drones (http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175489/)) and Eagles and Fighting Falcons (as in F-15 and F-16 combat jets), and outfitting them with the deadliest of weapons. In this market niche, we’re still the envy of the world.

We are uneasy no more. Today we take great pride (or at least have no shame) in being by far the world’s number one arms-exporting nation. A few statistics bear this out. From 2006 to 2010, the U.S. accounted for nearly one-third (http://www.sipri.org/googlemaps/at_top_20_exp_map.html) of the world’s arms exports, easily surpassing a resurgent Russia in the “Lords of War” race. Despite a decline in global arms sales in 2010 due to recessionary pressures, the U.S. increased its market share, accounting for a whopping 53 percent (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/world/global-arms-sales-dropped-sharply-in-2010-study-finds.html) of the trade that year. Last year saw the U.S. on pace to deliver more than $46 billion (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-11/u-s-projects-over-46-billion-in-foreign-arms-sales-in-2011.html) in foreign arms sales. Who says America isn’t number one anymore?

For a shopping list of our arms trades, try searching the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute database for arms exports and imports (http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php). It reveals that, in 2010, the U.S. exported “major conventional weapons” to 62 countries, from Afghanistan to Yemen, and weapons platforms ranging from F-15, F-16 and F-18 combat jets to M1 Abrams main battle tanks to Cobra attack helicopters (sent to our Pakistani comrades) to guided missiles in all flavors, colors, and sizes: AAMs, PGMs, SAMs, TOWs — a veritable alphabet soup of missile acronyms.

Never mind their specific meaning: They’re all designed to blow things up; they’re all designed to kill.

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/24/america_arms_dealer_to_the_world/ (http://www.salon.com/2012/01/24/america_arms_dealer_to_the_world/)

[101A]

America, arms-dealer to the world (http://www.salon.com/2012/01/24/america_arms_dealer_to_the_world/)

When it comes to weaponry, to paraphrase Seger, we’re still young and proud and makin’ Predators and Reapers (as in unmanned aerial vehicles, or drones (http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175489/)) and Eagles and Fighting Falcons (as in F-15 and F-16 combat jets), and outfitting them with the deadliest of weapons. In this market niche, we’re still the envy of the world.

We are uneasy no more. Today we take great pride (or at least have no shame) in being by far the world’s number one arms-exporting nation. A few statistics bear this out. From 2006 to 2010, the U.S. accounted for nearly one-third (http://www.sipri.org/googlemaps/at_top_20_exp_map.html) of the world’s arms exports, easily surpassing a resurgent Russia in the “Lords of War” race. Despite a decline in global arms sales in 2010 due to recessionary pressures, the U.S. increased its market share, accounting for a whopping 53 percent (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/world/global-arms-sales-dropped-sharply-in-2010-study-finds.html) of the trade that year. Last year saw the U.S. on pace to deliver more than $46 billion (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-11/u-s-projects-over-46-billion-in-foreign-arms-sales-in-2011.html) in foreign arms sales. Who says America isn’t number one anymore?

For a shopping list of our arms trades, try searching the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute database for arms exports and imports (http://armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.php). It reveals that, in 2010, the U.S. exported “major conventional weapons” to 62 countries, from Afghanistan to Yemen, and weapons platforms ranging from F-15, F-16 and F-18 combat jets to M1 Abrams main battle tanks to Cobra attack helicopters (sent to our Pakistani comrades) to guided missiles in all flavors, colors, and sizes: AAMs, PGMs, SAMs, TOWs — a veritable alphabet soup of missile acronyms.

Never mind their specific meaning: They’re all designed to blow things up; they’re all designed to kill.

http://www.salon.com/2012/01/24/america_arms_dealer_to_the_world/ (http://www.salon.com/2012/01/24/america_arms_dealer_to_the_world/)


Can you imagine what our trade imbalance would look like without that?

[CosmicCowboy]

The treaty would require states to make respecting human rights a criterion for allowing arms exports.

An interesting inclusion since the UN considers the death penalty to be a human rights violation.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=42382&Cr=Human#.UJ0978XR58E

3 July 2012 – United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon today called on Member States which use the death penalty to abolish this practice, stressing that the right to life lies at the heart of international human rights law.

“The taking of life is too absolute, too irreversible, for one human being to inflict on another, even when backed by legal process,” Mr. Ban told a panel organized by the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR ) on ‘Moving away from the death penalty – Lessons from national experiences’ at UN Headquarters in New York.

“Where the death penalty persists, conditions for those awaiting execution are often horrifying, leading to aggravated suffering,” he added.

In 2007, the General Assembly endorsed a call for a worldwide moratorium of the death penalty. Since then, the practice has been abolished by countries like Argentina, Burundi, Gabon, Latvia, Togo and Uzbekistan. More than 150 States have either abolished the death penalty or do not practice it.

However, Mr. Ban noted, the death penalty is still used for a wide range of crimes in various countries. In particular, he expressed concern that 32 States retain the death penalty for drug-related offences, and its use on juvenile offenders.

“I am also very concerned that some countries still allow juvenile offenders under the age of 18 at the time of the alleged offence to be sentenced to death and executed,” Mr. Ban said. “The call by the General Assembly for a global moratorium is a crucial stepping stone in the natural progression towards a full worldwide abolition of the death penalty.”

The High Commissioner for Human Rights, Navi Pillay, has also repeatedly called for the universal abolition of the death penalty, citing a host of reasons ranging from the fundamental right to life to the possibility of judicial errors.

In addition, Mr. Ban’s Guidance Note of 2008 on the UN Approach to Rule of Law Assistance stated that the UN will not establish or directly participate in any tribunal that allows for capital punishment.

[CosmicCowboy]

Can you imagine what our trade imbalance would look like without that?

They don't give a shit. They would throw them under the bus in a heartbeat.

[boutons_deux]

Can you imagine what our trade imbalance would look like without that?

That article is old. I think 2011 US MIC's Lords of Wars trafficked nearly $70B in weapons.

[boutons_deux]

That article is old. I think 2011 US MIC's Lords of Wars trafficked nearly $70B in weapons.

And of course, the MIC's weapons are developed on the US taxpayer $Ts ($1.5T for F-35 and it's a pile of unflyable shit), much like the US pays twice for/subsidizes BigPharma drugs so BigPharma can traffic them overseas much cheaper and still make profit.

Americans are suckers and ATMs for the United Corporations of America.

[JoeChalupa]

No need to rush out and buy guns and ammo. Chill people.

[mavs>spurs]

^ppl been doing that for 4 years

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, with all the gun legislation Obama passed when he had full control of the government, the Alex Jones/Glenn Beck militia were sure prescient.