So what will we probably do with Jackson?

[BillMc]

Stephen Jackson has an expiring contract. He has been a great addition, accepted coming off the bench well, played generally well with good team basketball. To lose him would be a major reduction in our depth...

On the other hand, he's 34 and known to be difficult if he gets no contract or offered a contract he doesn't like. Captain Jack also occasionally stopped working AFTER he got the next big contract, though admittedly that was on a losing team. In other words, he's motivated to be on his best behavior NOW in order to get the next contract. Why change those conditions?

So, the Spurs's FO seems to have options.

1. Keep him and do an extension during the season.

2. Let him test free agency after the season, but tender an offer... (i.e try to keep him).

3. Use his expiring contract in a trade.

4. Let him walk in free agency. (No offer),.


I'd like to keep him. But the problem with Jack, no matter how good he is, he thinks he's even better. If the Spurs offered an extension during the season he didn't like, he might stop being so much a team player. (He's done that with other teams before.) If we don't offer him an extension, he also might get to be a pain. If we don't offer him a contract until after the season, we could lose him without getting anything back.

So, if we were to offer Stephen, I don't know 5 to 6 million a year, would he take it? Would he be worth it? Or would be insulted at the "cut" and suddenly become difficult? He's making 10 million now, but I can't see the Spurs doing anything close to that.

What do you think the FO 1) shoud do and 2) will do ?


Best, Bill

[Duncan2177]

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[DesignatedT]

Offer him 2 years 10-12 mil. If he doesn't take the deal than he's an idiot.

[8FOR!3]

Yeah he might think he's better than he is, but it's not like he tries to play above I himself. I never see him go out there and try to do too much.

[spurs10]

I'm not so sure he will be insulted in taking less money, as he's happy to be here and realizes his role. I am all for holding onto him and think he's a big reason for last year's success. If a couple more people play with his toughness and confidence, then the airlines would have sold a whole lot of tickets to Miami from San Antonio earlier this year. I also can't think of a trade for his expiring that matches his worth. He fits with the Spurs......damn glad he's back!

[Juggity]

Trade him

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You've got to be kidding about the first one and the last one

[Kidd K]

It's a really burning question I think; one of the biggest ones of the year for the Spurs. It's either going to be a trade or it's going to be a re-sign situation. My assumption would be that they will try to work out an extension for next season, and if Jack wants too much, they will trade him instead.

I'd personally like to keep him, but if trading him can land us that much needed big, I'm willing to let him go for that. Kawhi has improved enough (still needs to work on his offense though) to where I'm confident with him on the floor in almost every situation besides badly needing buckets.

[Kuestmaster]

Offer him 2 years 10-12 mil. If he doesn't take the deal than he's an idiot.

too much. I'd offer him two years 6-8 mil, he won't get much else anywhere and maybe he will prefer to retire here.

[DesignatedT]

It's not too much. A one year contract worth 6-8 mil is easy to move if it comes to that during his last year.

[DAF86]

You've got to be kidding about the first one and the last one

About the first one because the Cavs would never go for that?

[Richie]

Leave him to expire, waive him, resign Manu and a big free agent (possibly a max deal) and then offer him the room exception (2 years, $5m). Same if he gets traded, if he's willing to take the room exception make sure he knows we want him back

Hoepfully we can make the most of free agency and get someone like Millsap. If we can't get a halfway decent free agent, give him a bit more money and resign Splitter

[Juggity]

About the first one because the Cavs would never go for that?

Yeah, Varejao has looked like a cornerstone big man early this season. The spurs would be fleecing the Cavs if that trade went down. No way would they let that happen.

[KaiRMD1]

Keep him, he's even said how happy he is here and that he wants to retire here. It might be longshot but you never know, he might even take less ala Duncan. But again, it is a longshot. Either way, keeping him seems like a smarter choice in my book.

[thOOdee]

no doubt keep him. if timmy is your backbone of the team, gino is the heart, tony parker the brains, then stephen jacksons got to be the balls. you cant win a championship without some balls.

[timvp]

Keep him and try to re-sign him for two more years in the offseason. He fits too seamlessly to let go of again.

[capek]

Ya, my ideal would be a 2 year 10 mil deal. If he keeps up his current level of play, make the last guaranteed. He's Jax, I think he would see that as a respectable deal. Since he got back with the Spurs, he has frequently talked very openly and humbly about taking a back seat to the young players, coming off the bench, fitting in where he can etc, all just team first kinda stuff. Personally, I don't think that's all talk, and I'd be very surprised if him and Pop don't work out a way for him to retire as a Spur.

[dunkman]

The Spurs will be better keeping Jack. They could add a big like K-Mart as FA and if he doesn't fit, try with another FA the next season, for example David West. Jack is too valuable, specially for the playoffs and small ball.

[Paranoid Pop]

Meh I'd only even think about letting him go if we had a shot at a (potential) elite defensive PF since we'd be letting go our best PF defender when the west is full of elite PFs, and I don't think we do.

How about McGee? Paid 10M to sit on the bench but if that doesn't work out we're stuck with him for a while, super risky...

[therealtruth]

Yeah, Varejao has looked like a cornerstone big man early this season. The spurs would be fleecing the Cavs if that trade went down. No way would they let that happen.

He's had the freedom to play by his coach. Splitter could probably do the same in a similar situation.

[capek]

He's had the freedom to play by his coach. Splitter could probably do the same in a similar situation.

If Splitter had Varejao's motor, there wouldn't be so many Spurs fans wanting to make this trade.

[Bruno]

It's a good question for in 3 months, when it will be near the trade deadline. Right now, it's premature.

[Russ]

Jackson's value is fairly low given his skills because he's too old for a young (rebuilding) club to want.

He's in the "late bargain" phase of his career (as opposed to the "early bargain" phase which K. Leonard is in).

I wouldn't be surprised if he retires as a Spur.

[therealtruth]

If Splitter had Varejao's motor, there wouldn't be so many Spurs fans wanting to make this trade.

He has a better basketball IQ and I bet his motor would be better on a team where he knew what minutes he was getting from night to night. It is not a surprise Splitter had one of his better games when he started. Pop gives him inconsistent minutes and calls him a blue collar player to feed the perception that he isn't that good. It seems to work.

[TD 21]

For a myriad of reasons, I think he'll be kept.

1) They value his toughness/confidence/swagger and know they need more of it.

2) He's a quality small ball PF option, which is important given their weakness at PF, as well as the fact that the two reigning conference finalists possess the best small ball PF options in the league.

3) He's a proven shot maker in the playoffs.

4) The type of player they'd grudgingly include him in a trade for (Smith), they more than likely cannot get.

5) The best they can probably get (Varejao) won't require trading him. I think there's a good chance of a Splitter, Blair, Bonner and Mills for Varejao and Leuer trade going down whether McDyess returns or not, but presuming he does, I think the chances would only increase.

I think the Spurs will offer him 2 years/$6 or 7M. He'll probably initially balk, then quickly come to the realization that he can't do better and re-sign.

[elemento]

I like him, but 6m/year for SJAX is way too much. Seriously, there won't be any competition around the league to get Jackson in the off-season, unless he is willing to play for the min, something that I don't see happening at all.

I mean, Ronnie Brewer and Matt Barnes got the minimum. Vince Carter and Andre Miller got 3m/year. Guys like Brandon Rush, Mareese Speights and Carl Landry got 4m/year.

There's 0 reason for San Antonio to offer him 6m/year. Offer him 3m/year for 2 years. If he doesn't like, tell him to gauge his value around the league. I am sure It won't take more than a single day for SJAX to reconsider the offer.

[tim_duncan_fan]

If at all possible, I'd like him to never wear another jersey ever again. Shouldn't have left here in the first place.

[Duncan2177]

I like him, but 6m/year for SJAX is way too much. Seriously, there won't be any competition around the league to get Jackson in the off-season, unless he is willing to play for the min, something that I don't see happening at all.

I mean, Ronnie Brewer and Matt Barnes got the minimum. Vince Carter and Andre Miller got 3m/year. Guys like Brandon Rush, Mareese Speights and Carl Landry got 4m/year.

There's 0 reason for San Antonio to offer him 6m/year. Offer him 3m/year for 2 years. If he doesn't like, tell him to gauge his value around the league. I am sure It won't take more than a single day for SJAX to reconsider the offer.

More reason to trade him.

[Ice009]

I like him, but 6m/year for SJAX is way too much. Seriously, there won't be any competition around the league to get Jackson in the off-season, unless he is willing to play for the min, something that I don't see happening at all.

I mean, Ronnie Brewer and Matt Barnes got the minimum. Vince Carter and Andre Miller got 3m/year. Guys like Brandon Rush, Mareese Speights and Carl Landry got 4m/year.

There's 0 reason for San Antonio to offer him 6m/year. Offer him 3m/year for 2 years. If he doesn't like, tell him to gauge his value around the league. I am sure It won't take more than a single day for SJAX to reconsider the offer.

That's exactly what the Spurs offered him last time and he walked, Spurs still owe him for low balling him the last time. If the Spurs were willing to pay that other guy 14 million a year or whatever it was, then Sjax is easily worth 6 million a year. He's also a big reason why the Spurs were able to become contenders again, not the only reason, but a big part of it.

If you are a contending team and you need a SF or backup SF then he is a great player to have, and I think he is worth the mid-level exception if you are a contending team. Even someone like Shaq knows he's a great piece for a contending team. Shaq suggested that the Bulls should trade for him last season as he thought that Jack would help their chances at a Championship.

[elemento]

I understand your love for S-Jax and I also love him but it's a totally different situation. And the Spurs don't owe him shit. He is getting 10m this season.

Jefferson was a gamble. Back then, SA didn't have a starting material SF , now they have a very good young one. The priority next season is a BIG. If SA has the chance to bring a good BIG and if it means no S-Jax, yeah I prefer the BIG. The only player I would prefer to keep over a new BIG is Manu and he is the biggest priority next season.

All the other players are replaceable, including S-Jax. Yeah, I love his toughness, I love his attitude, but I love a good BIG to be paired with Duncan more.

S-Jax is a good player to have when you have a franchise like San Antonio and a coach like Pop that can deal with him. Otherwise, he is a cancer. Ask GS, Indiana or Milwaukee if they wanna him back.

S-Jax won't gauge much interest around the league if his GOAL is the MLE. You can book my words. As I said, I love him but SA clearly has bigger needs than a backup SF.

[dunkman]

I understand your love for S-Jax and I also love him but it's a totally different situation. And the Spurs don't owe him shit. He is getting 10m this season.

Jefferson was a gamble. Back then, SA didn't have a starting material SF , now they have a very good young one. The priority next season is a BIG. If SA has the chance to bring a good BIG and if it means no S-Jax, yeah I prefer the BIG. The only player I would prefer to keep over a new BIG is Manu and he is the biggest priority next season.

All the other players are replaceable, including S-Jax. Yeah, I love his toughness, I love his attitude, but I love a good BIG to be paired with Duncan more.

S-Jax is a good player to have when you have a franchise like San Antonio and a coach like Pop that can deal with him. Otherwise, he is a cancer. Ask GS, Indiana or Milwaukee if they wanna him back.

S-Jax won't gauge much interest around the league if his GOAL is the MLE. You can book my words. As I said, I love him but SA clearly has bigger needs than a backup SF.

Manu has lost a step and has become very injury prone. Jack is more than just a backup SF, he makes 3's like Horry did and the Spurs can go small without sacrificing rebounding with Kawhi and Jack. I agree the Spurs need a bigman, but unless they can get a bonafide all-star PF for Jack (tbh, I would consider trading Manu too), it would be better to just bring K-Mart or Dice.

The next season, Manu and Jack will take paycuts which will open the possibility to sign an starter quality bigman.

[Ice009]

If the Spurs let him go, then they will be thin at backup SF too, so I disagree with what you are saying. Especially when lots of team like playing small ball, and some of the most potent scorers in the NBA play either SF or small ball PF. SF is just as big of a priority as a big man is to put next to TD. If you let him go, then you are creating another hole there. Manu and Danny are simply not big enough to play SF on a regular basis, and if they have to defend guys like Lebron or KD then we would not be in good shape.

[sasffl]

Sign him for 3 years, less than 500M a year, last year not fully guaranteed

[Ice009]

What do you think Jack should be offered Timvp?

[mabrignani]

I like that Al Jefferson trade

[Ice009]

Al Jefferson is a mediocre defender though. Offense isn't our main problem.

[racm]

It's not like Jefferson brings anything to the table that Duncan doesn't bring, tbh...

[cd021]

Once his current contract expires ,of course.

If we were to extend his deal, the lowest we could pay him would be $9 million dollars.

[SequSpur]

Spurs are in tank mode after this year...they aren't signing any of these guys.....it's over...

[timtonymanu]

Trade him

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Most of those trades are fucking retarded.

[therealtruth]

Imagine if the Spurs had gone after Jax instead of RJ.

[Richie]

For the first time in forever the Spurs actually have the cap space to sign a big free agent this year, and with the likes of Millsap and Jefferson available we can't afford to miss out. Theres no chance Jax is getting an extension before the summer.

I hope we can get him for the room exception of $5m/2 years, meaning we could waive him and his massive cap hold and then resign him as a free agent. Hopefully Manu will take $10m/2years or less and Jax, Manu and Timmy can all retire together.

[Duncan2177]

Most of those trades are fucking retarded.

What do you think would be a good trade then?

[Sean Cagney]

Keep him and try to re-sign him for two more years in the offseason. He fits too seamlessly to let go of again.

I agree.
Imagine if the Spurs had gone after Jax instead of RJ.

That would have been great, but we had no clue a 19 ppg guy would turn into the crap he was here.

[Ice009]

I agree.

That would have been great, but we had no clue a 19 ppg guy would turn into the crap he was here.

I knew it in the first month he was here and I even wanted to trade him for Jack at the time. I watched RJ for about a month and concluded that he needs to go. That was when Sjax first asked to be traded from Goldenstate. Only a few people here were interested. Pretty much everyone here wanted to keep RJ at the time and no one wanted anything to do with Sjax. I was told RJ is a better player for the team. LOL, total fools.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't see any reason why the Spurs should or would offer him an extension during the season. He'lll either be traded at the deadline or be dealt with in the summer when they gauge how much cap space they'd have and identify potential FA targets for the available cap space.

[TDMVPDPOY]

it be funni if the FO low balls him again with another lame contract offer like the time at the end of 03.....

i think the spurs wouldve repeated in 04 with jax instead of the turk who dissappeared that year...

04/05/06 << wouldve been the years the 3 young guys the team invested in would all be playin in their prime...gino, parker, jax...= championships...

[TDMVPDPOY]

I don't see any reason why the Spurs should or would offer him an extension during the season. He'lll either be traded at the deadline or be dealt with in the summer when they gauge how much cap space they'd have and identify potential FA targets for the available cap space.

not many good FA worth looking at anyway....

[Sean Cagney]

it be funni if the FO low balls him again with another lame contract offer like the time at the end of 03.....

i think the spurs wouldve repeated in 04 with jax instead of the turk who dissappeared that year...

04/05/06 << wouldve been the years the 3 young guys the team invested in would all be playin in their prime...gino, parker, jax...= championships...

Crazy to think of but you may be right, we might have one more title in 04 if he was here! I can see that. Hedo was some shit later on that year. 05 we won and 06 maybe, but he would be here over say who Finley? Finley was a SG I know but he played the three alot that year or so when POP went SMALL LOL. If Jax stayed here we would have one more title maybe.

[Richie]

not many good FA worth looking at anyway....

Howard
Bynum
Smith
Jefferson
Millsap

Obviously Howard isn't going to come here, but there are a few talented bigs out there. The top 3 are probably out of reach but the big teams will be chasing them, I'd love to sneak in under the radar and grab Millsap. We'll probably have to overpay to get someone but could be worth it to make the most of Duncans last year or two

[spurraider21]

For the first time in forever the Spurs actually have the cap space to sign a big free agent this year, and with the likes of Millsap and Jefferson available we can't afford to miss out. Theres no chance Jax is getting an extension before the summer.

I hope we can get him for the room exception of $5m/2 years, meaning we could waive him and his massive cap hold and then resign him as a free agent. Hopefully Manu will take $10m/2years or less and Jax, Manu and Timmy can all retire together.

While Milsap and Jefferson are really good players, we'd have to offer a boatload just to land one of them, and I don't think either guy is a true cornerstone worth tying up our finances for the long term. What, are we going to give big Al 5 years for 70 million or whatever he's going to demand? Plus he's not a good defender, and isn't a great competitor. I still remember last year he essentially threw in the towel after game 3 of the first round. I also don't think Milsap is worth 10 mil per year for 4-5 years for our team. Considering we have a rebuild on the horizon, I'd rather retain financial flexibility unless we get some true cornerstone. I'd rather take a risk with Bynum than commit to big Al for the long term. Its just going to be another albatross contract ala RJ for a player that is never going to be a #1 on a contending team.

I think unless something spectacular happens where Dwight or Bynum (lol, imagine) decide to come to San Antonio, we will try to keep Jax for a 2 year deal, maybe 3 like has been mentioned. But nowhere north of 5 mil per year tbh. Keep our cap space open to make a big splash another time, instead of throwing it at guys like Al or Milsap

[Richie]

While Milsap and Jefferson are really good players, we'd have to offer a boatload just to land one of them, and I don't think either guy is a true cornerstone worth tying up our finances for the long term. What, are we going to give big Al 5 years for 70 million or whatever he's going to demand? Plus he's not a good defender, and isn't a great competitor. I still remember last year he essentially threw in the towel after game 3 of the first round. I also don't think Milsap is worth 10 mil per year for 4-5 years for our team. Considering we have a rebuild on the horizon, I'd rather retain financial flexibility unless we get some true cornerstone. I'd rather take a risk with Bynum than commit to big Al for the long term. Its just going to be another albatross contract ala RJ for a player that is never going to be a #1 on a contending team.

I think unless something spectacular happens where Dwight or Bynum (lol, imagine) decide to come to San Antonio, we will try to keep Jax for a 2 year deal, maybe 3 like has been mentioned. But nowhere north of 5 mil per year tbh. Keep our cap space open to make a big splash another time, instead of throwing it at guys like Al or Milsap

I see what you're saying, but are the Spus ever going to land a bigger free agent than the likes of Millsap?

Lets say we gave Millsap $60m/5 years, we will certainly not be in rebuilding mode for 2 of those years while Timmy is here, and maybe a player like Millsap can do more of the dirty work and even extend Timmys career.

The Spurs are going to be a bad team for a while after Timmy retires, surely if overpaying Millsap for a few years helps us get the most of the next couple years it's worth it? The question whether Millsap is actually good enough to do that is another debate, but IMO the Spurs shouldn't be thinking of the post-Duncan era when making decisions to win now.

You say we should save our cap for another time, but there are only 2 free agency summers left before Timmy probably retires. It's now or never.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Howard
Bynum
Smith
Jefferson
Millsap

Obviously Howard isn't going to come here, but there are a few talented bigs out there. The top 3 are probably out of reach but the big teams will be chasing them, I'd love to sneak in under the radar and grab Millsap. We'll probably have to overpay to get someone but could be worth it to make the most of Duncans last year or two
besides howard, none of those guys will put us over the top or something post duncan to look forward too...

hate him or love him, most ppl would want howard on their team even with the bullshit that comes with it, dominant big man are hard to come by, but his a clown

for al jefferson to succeed on the spurs, spurs need to return to the big man offense and he has to be the number 1-2 option on offense, then again the spurs can always go the very cheap route and just sign curry for the minimum, force feed him the ball, while the other 4 players on the court cover his/their defensive weaknesses....

[racm]

besides howard, none of those guys will put us over the top or something post duncan to look forward too...

hate him or love him, most ppl would want howard on their team even with the bullshit that comes with it, dominant big man are hard to come by, but his a clown

for al jefferson to succeed on the spurs, spurs need to return to the big man offense and he has to be the number 1-2 option on offense, then again the spurs can always go the very cheap route and just sign curry for the minimum, force feed him the ball, while the other 4 players on the court cover his/their defensive weaknesses....

Why would the Spurs want Al Jefferson when he's a middle class man's Duncan on offense and nowhere near him on defense?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Crazy to think of but you may be right, we might have one more title in 04 if he was here! I can see that. Hedo was some shit later on that year. 05 we won and 06 maybe, but he would be here over say who Finley? Finley was a SG I know but he played the three alot that year or so when POP went SMALL LOL. If Jax stayed here we would have one more title maybe.

did the spurs save any money not extending jax that year?
they still had to waste money signing scrubs like turgo, mercer to fill up roster spots...

[TDMVPDPOY]

Why would the Spurs want Al Jefferson when he's a middle class man's Duncan on offense and nowhere near him on defense?

who do you suggest the spurs sign? outside of howard, none of those guys are worth max or anything above 10m a pop...they are overrated scrubs

[therealtruth]

I knew it in the first month he was here and I even wanted to trade him for Jack at the time. I watched RJ for about a month and concluded that he needs to go. That was when Sjax first asked to be traded from Goldenstate. Only a few people here were interested. Pretty much everyone here wanted to keep RJ at the time and no one wanted anything to do with Sjax. I was told RJ is a better player for the team. LOL, total fools.

Even before he got here I knew his style of play didn't match the Spurs. Pop had this crazy idea he could change Jefferson into a player he wasn't. It was pretty much a gamble from the start.

[elemento]

If the Spurs let him go, then they will be thin at backup SF too, so I disagree with what you are saying. Especially when lots of team like playing small ball, and some of the most potent scorers in the NBA play either SF or small ball PF. SF is just as big of a priority as a big man is to put next to TD. If you let him go, then you are creating another hole there. Manu and Danny are simply not big enough to play SF on a regular basis, and if they have to defend guys like Lebron or KD then we would not be in good shape.Well, we will have to agree to disagre then Ice, but it's ok. I want S-Jax back as well, as long as he asks a reasonable price and if it doesn't affect SA's ability to improve the front-court. For the next season, only Duncan is a lock to get back. Splitter is a RFA, Diaw has a PO, Bonner and Blair are gone. SA can't have the lux to pay 6m/year to a backup SF and go the the next season with a thin front-court. That would be a nightmare. In terms of priorities, a BIG > backup SF by a large margin. Before we start thinking about Durant or Lebron (and look, SA still has a pretty cable defender in Leonard to defend both), SA still have to think about defending Z-Bo, Kevin Love, Lamarcus Aldridge, Pau Gasol and Blake Griffin. If SA goes small without Jack, Leonard will be the one defending Bron or Durant, not Manu or Green. Seriously, It's mandatory for SA to find better BIGs next off-season. It's ridiculous the amount of effort Duncan has to put defensively playing with stiffs like Bonner and Blair. I say let the market set the price for S-Jax.

[Richie]

who do you suggest the spurs sign? outside of howard, none of those guys are worth max or anything above 10m a pop...they are overrated scrubs

Any of the players I listed would be huge upgrades to the front court. Josh Smith even has an all defensive appearance to his credit.

[Raven]

the plaoffs will decide..

[spurspokesman]

Judging by what we paid Rj he has earned his 10 mil and deserves a contract extension. I think we wouldve got curb stomped against okc after game 2 hadn't been for jacks persistence and refusal to lay down to them. His toughness is contagious and thats a quality in itself that i believe willed the spurs to keep battling.

[Fireball]

Do not trade him this season - his impact on team attitude and defense (currently also his rebounding) are needed.
Extend him (2 years, 6-8 million per) during the season or after the season is over.

[Richie]

Do not trade him this season - his impact on team attitude and defense (currently also his rebounding) are needed.
Extend him (2 years, 6-8 million per) during the season or after the season is over.

6m-8m per year? Way, way too much. Nobody is doubting his positive impact on the team, but if he won't accept something like $6m/2 years we should let him go, upgrading the front court is a much more pressing concern and with cap room it's the place we need to spend the money.

[benefactor]

So to sum up this thread...we don't want to pay Jackson more than 3 million a year and want to go after Bynum, Al Jefferson and Millsap.

You greys never cease to disappoint.

[venitian navigator]

I don't see a team that can offer us as much as SJ value is...for our team.
And I agree with people saying he can't have a big value market, considering is past and his age.
The best way for everybody is to keep him...coming to the price, imho the range could be from 4/5 per year for three years or 5/6 per year for two years (I see no disrespect for both offers and that sholudbe fa ir considering we have to pay Manu with a sort of the same contract, and spend more money to probably keep Splitter, Neal and Blair).

As for the famous "big" we should add, sorry folks but I don't see in the open market any sort of (reachable...I'm obviously not considering Howard) player better than the ones we already have.

If we need a defensive big, Splitter is probably way better than all the free agents...given a decent amount of time.
Blair is young and a more than decent offensive player. If he start to play some defense and begin to play at a decent level, like some performances of the past year, he could be one the best option, considering the price.

I don't think that after re-signing our players (Manu, Jack, probably Splitter, Neal and Blair) we'll be under the cap situation.
But we will still have the exceptions and our first round draft choice.

[JR3]

I would like to keep him. He compliments this team really well. Not a better player you could get at 5-6mil. And from his perspective, not a better organization to be with.

[Sean Cagney]

did the spurs save any money not extending jax that year?
they still had to waste money signing scrubs like turgo, mercer to fill up roster spots...
That is all true, none of those bums worked out either.

[spurs1990]

Nov 19 2004

Keep Jack alive

[crc21209]

I sure hope they keep him. I think he fits with this team too damn well to get rid of him. I'd give him 2 years/$10-12 million....

[timtonymanu]

What do you think would be a good trade then?

We just got him back and you want to trade him? Jack is too valuable to this team's toughness to let go of especially for guys like M:lol Williams or Tayshaun Prince. The only trade I would got for out of your trade machine fantasy is Varejao.

[SenorSpur]

I would like to keep him. He compliments this team really well. Not a better player you could get at 5-6mil. And from his perspective, not a better organization to be with.

Agree on both points.

:toast

[TD 21]

League sources said bluntly, that anything involving Varejao is also going to have to move out Luke Walton and his $6 million ending contract and return youth and draft picks. (http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-an-early-look-at-the-trading-block/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-am-an-early-look-at-the-trading-block) That might be too much to ask, so it’s more likely that Varejao stays where he is, but you never know how another team may view him, especially as the trade deadline gets closer. HoopsWorld (http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-an-early-look-at-the-trading-block/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nba-am-an-early-look-at-the-trading-block)


Granted, it's from HoopsWorld, so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

It doesn't make sense for this to be a deal breaker. They've got a low payroll and much of his salary will be gone by the deadline anyway. They could just buy him out at that point or let him walk at the end of the season.

If, by the off chance this is true though, then forget it, because that would require giving up Jackson (to make it work financially), in addition to those other assets and at that point, it just becomes too much.

[Ice009]

I would kick Varejao to the curb if you had to take Luke Walton back with him. That is disgusting, and we'd be giving away players for nothing in the scenario.

[Kool Bob Love]

I blame this thread for Sjax getting hurt.

[Kool Bob Love]

We keeping him now. out 4-6 weeks. Fuck you OP and everyone who posted in this thread.

:(

[manustarting2gd]

Ditto. Stfu and u guys forgot who he replaced. Idiots. Talk about a jinx.

[rascal]

The only over 35 yr old player the spurs should keep is Duncan. Both Manu and Jackson will be getting too much money for what they will be giving back. Their games are only going to get worse as they near 40. The Spurs are not winning any titles relying on these guys as a couple of their top players so bring in some youth and a tough frontline player.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Jax is an essential component of this team, crucial for us to contend methinks. He fills all the holes the team needs - tenacious D, toughness, 3pt shooting, versatility, unselfish passing. I hope he sticks around with us for another year or three.

If we want to make a run at Varejao we have to offer Splitter and pieces.

[swaggerjackson]

The only way you move Jax is if he is guarenteed to be released and will sign here again, or our season/future is completely destroyed and we enter rebuilding mode on the fly, or if it returns a big man that makes us title favorites (ie Al Jefferson, not saying its going to happen just an example)

[Ice009]

We keeping him now. out 4-6 weeks. Fuck you OP and everyone who posted in this thread.

:(

I just finished watching the game and I am pretty pissed off too about this thread. I said earlier in the thread that our depth at SF sucks, yet no one even said jack shit about that. Looks like I was right. I wanted to Spurs to get another SF/PF type.

I have no fucking idea why we are carrying this many guards, bit of a joke really. We need better big man depth and also SF/PF type player depth.

Spurs came into the season with a completely unbalanced team. Why in the fuck do we need so many small guards on the roster?

[timvp]

Tonight was a good example why Jackson is needed. When he left with injury, the Clippers proceeded to just bully the Spurs. And the Spurs never really fought back.

Jackson gives the Spurs that bit of competitive fiber that you can't find in a box score. It's not a coincidence Pop had to pull the soft card right before Jackson arrived and right after he went down with an injury.

The Spurs are no longer good enough where they can win a championship on talent and chemistry alone. To do it, they'd need a whole hell of a lot of grit ... and Jackson has grit by the bushel.

[therealtruth]

I just finished watching the game and I am pretty pissed off too about this thread. I said earlier in the thread that our depth at SF sucks, yet no one even said jack shit about that. Looks like I was right. I wanted to Spurs to get another SF/PF type.

I have no fucking idea why we are carrying this many guards, bit of a joke really. We need better big man depth and also SF/PF type player depth.

Spurs came into the season with a completely unbalanced team. Why in the fuck do we need so many small guards on the roster?

The front office is allergic to big men. Blatche could probably have been had for the minimum now he's helping the Nets win games.