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Galileo
11-18-2012, 09:04 PM
Who is the best NBA player since the beginning of last season's playoffs?

Tim Duncan

24 games
18 wins
6 loses

764 minutes

1619 team points
421 individual points
227 rebounds
64 assists
57 blocks
21 steals
2409 total good

1431 team points allowed
166 individual missed FG
30 missed FT
34 turnovers
48 fouls
1709 total bad

700 good minus bad

43.98 good minus bad per 48 minutes

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Lebron James

34 games
24 wins
10 losses

1383 minutes

2991 team points
966 individual points
323 rebounds
200 assists
27 blocks
53 steals
4560 total good

2657 team points allowed
349 individual missed FGs
81 missed FTs
104 turnovers
65 fouls
3256 total bad

1304 good minus bad

45.26 good minus bad per 48 minutes

racm
11-18-2012, 09:35 PM
LeBron rang this June tbh

lefty
11-18-2012, 09:37 PM
lebron shits on TD tbh

racm
11-18-2012, 09:44 PM
lebron shits on TD tbh

James is 0-4 against Duncan in the playoffs tbh :lol

jesterbobman
11-18-2012, 09:55 PM
It's LeBron. That Stat you've used is ridiculous and pointless.

lefty
11-18-2012, 10:46 PM
James is 0-4 against Duncan in the playoffs tbh :lol

:lol

" but thanks for giving it to us this year "

BatManu20
11-18-2012, 11:12 PM
Lebron. Next.

Galileo
11-19-2012, 12:24 AM
It's LeBron. That Stat you've used is ridiculous and pointless.

The stat is accurate and right-on.

TDMVPDPOY
11-19-2012, 12:32 AM
this is what i dont get with the heat and celtics in the easts....wtf are they gettin pushed to 6-7 games in the 1st round and 2nd round by fodder teams...

Kool Bob Love
11-19-2012, 12:50 AM
Lebron. best Spurs player is TD.

jesterbobman
11-19-2012, 01:11 AM
The stat is accurate and right-on.

There is no reason to think that all of the good things and all of the bad things are equally important.

Why are team points and individual points equally weighted, clearly 1 of the 2 is more relevant to who the best player has been.

You've counted FT misses equally with FG misses, even though FT attempts only use a fraction of a possession up.(Use .44 or Whatever). Going 1/2 on 2 trips is a 0, going 1/2 on 2 FGA is a 1, despite using the same number of possessions for the same number of points. The Free throw shooter has also drawn fouls(a negative equivalent to a TO under your system)

Only counting misses ignores the fact of the extra value of threes(2-6 on threes would be 2 points in this system, 3-6 on 2's would be 3 points, the former is more valuable as the team has more offensive rebounding chances), Should use FGA to indicate possessions used.

Tim Duncan is good. But don't murder statistics to try and create support for your opinion. It's the worst. See you next time you want to argue with me, but you're wrong.

Galileo
11-19-2012, 01:18 AM
There is no reason to think that all of the good things and all of the bad things are equally important.

Why are team points and individual points equally weighted, clearly 1 of the 2 is more relevant to who the best player has been.

You've counted FT misses equally with FG misses, even though FT attempts only use a fraction of a possession up.(Use .44 or Whatever). Going 1/2 on 2 trips is a 0, going 1/2 on 2 FGA is a 1, despite using the same number of possessions for the same number of points. The Free throw shooter has also drawn fouls(a negative equivalent to a TO under your system)

Only counting misses ignores the fact of the extra value of threes(2-6 on threes would be 2 points in this system, 3-6 on 2's would be 3 points, the former is more valuable as the team has more offensive rebounding chances), Should use FGA to indicate possessions used.

Tim Duncan is good. But don't murder statistics to try and create support for your opinion. It's the worst. See you next time you want to argue with me, but you're wrong.

Odds of an offensive rebound on a FG is about 30%, but only about 5% on a missed FT.

Also, some FT attempts are not because of the value of the offensive player, like technical foul shots and intentional fouls, or just lucky fouls and bad calls.

So I am happy to weight a missed FT the same as a missed FG.

Galileo
11-19-2012, 01:26 AM
and on the other hand, many FG attempts are desperation shots and the end of a quarter of shot clock.

I am confident with my system.

Juggity
11-19-2012, 02:27 AM
Come on.

TD is having a renaissance, but Lebron just carried his team to the finals.

Your weird stat is trying too hard to make a case where none exists.

Galileo
11-19-2012, 08:34 AM
haters gonna hate.

Rummpd
11-19-2012, 09:35 AM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics LeBron is not only above Duncan in PER but has the highest EWA of any top player. Duncan has been truly great this year but LeBron continues to be the dominant player in the game - Durant, Kobe, Paul and a few others also playing at an exceptionally high level but LeBron will be the most likely (besides Durant) to sustain it over the season and into the playoffs and LeBron (1A) should be 1A > Durant (1B0 for MVP again baring injuries.

Proxy
11-19-2012, 07:46 PM
Regardless of how close the stats may be, you're choosing to ignore every other variable to appease your argument.

Galileo
11-24-2012, 07:29 PM
Duncan's stats getting even better, three straight games with 20+ points and 14+ boards on low minutes.

Galileo
11-24-2012, 07:31 PM
so go F yourself!

spurraider21
11-24-2012, 07:47 PM
Whose been the best player? You mean besides Lebron, right?

BillMc
11-24-2012, 08:15 PM
Actually, the OP's system is not that different than how Larry Bird used to determine who he thought should be MVP back in his day. It was:

Add up points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocked shots, then subtract missed shots, missed free throws, personal fouls and turnovers. Divide by the number of games played.

Players who approached a number close to 30 in this system were serious MVP candidates.

Russo21
11-25-2012, 01:11 AM
Since last season. LeBron 1 Championship- Duncan 0