KL Development progress

[TDMVPDPOY]

Is anyone impress with his development, cause im not.....disregard the injury

he was unfortunate to be traded to the spurs where his playing behind the big3, then u have clowns like neal, green and blair who needs shots to get going...KL is only there for the scraps whatever he can get offensively...so much talent going to waste imo

i look at the cats rookie MKG and lillard on the blazers who are given free reigns to run the team, damn i wish KL had that opportunity to ball hog and fill up the stat sheet, i wanna see his fkn talents not goto waste thats not allowed to be shown...

exciting player to look forward too down the line, but if POP continues to dick him...his better off bolting to another team

[polandprzem]

Stats player or team player

What is more important?

[Richie]

Who gives a fuck about stats? The NBA is about winning and Kawhi is on a winning team.

You think he'd rather be losing every night playing 40 minutes with the Bobcats?

Also, can we please stop comparing Kawhi to MKG? Kawhi went mid round is a very weak draft, MKG went 2nd in the strongest draft in a decade.

Ridiculous thread all round.

[racm]

Who gives a fuck about stats? The NBA is about winning and Kawhi is on a winning team.

You think he'd rather be losing every night playing 40 minutes with the Bobcats?

Also, can we please stop comparing Kawhi to MKG? Kawhi went mid round is a very weak draft, MKG went 2nd in the strongest draft in a decade.

Ridiculous thread all round.

Except I have Kawhi being the second best player in a supposedly weak draft; it's stronger than advertised considering the 2010 draft was bleh.

The problem was that all the lottery teams took the wrong talent. Derrick Williams (in Adelman's doghouse right now) over KL or Faried? Vesely over Kemba Walker? Tristan Thompson over Chandler Parsons?

[TDMVPDPOY]

i dont think KL draft class is that weak, if he was on another team, his talents will be shown...his being held back on the spurs

[Paranoid Pop]

i dont think KL draft class is that weak, if he was on another team, his talents will be shown...his being held back on the spurs

No, he has been working with the best shooting coach in the league and some of the best players in the league. He's on the best team to get better, people just have irrational expectations, he will never be a first or second option offensively in his career but at the same time he can be worlds better than most defensive specialists. Fact is, as good as his offense gets, and it's getting pretty damn good with hints of a mid-range game recently, it'll only be matter if he can play elite defense.

[TDMVPDPOY]

No, he has been working with the best shooting coach in the league and some of the best players in the league. He's on the best team to get better, people just have irrational expectations, he will never be a first or second option offensively in his career but at the same time he can be worlds better than most defensive specialists. Fact is, as good as his offense gets, and it's getting pretty damn good with hints of a mid-range game recently, it'll only be matter if he can play elite defense.

so when do we expect him to be moving up the offensive touches? not just touches in the system, the green light to shoot anytime he wants outside the system...


a player of his talents can beat his man of the dribble and penetrate for a dunk, layup or mid jumper...is force to be a spot up shooter....PATHETIC, when he can be more diverse on offense if allowed to....

[racm]

Did you even watch Kawhi before he got injured? The kid was pulling up from mid-range instead of simply shooting corner 3s. He's also a disruptive defender and good rebounder.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Did you even watch Kawhi before he got injured? The kid was pulling up from mid-range instead of simply shooting corner 3s. He's also a disruptive defender and good rebounder.

no cause i was too busy watchin hero ball,

KL has been overshadowed by players on this team that his not given the opportunity to shine

[DesignatedT]

Stupid thread once again.

[ChumpDumper]

So basically the OP wishes the Spurs were a bad team.

[Juggity]

no cause i was too busy watchin hero ball,

KL has been overshadowed by players on this team that his not given the opportunity to shine

KL is a second-year player who is developing a better offensive repertoire and is showing signs of adding a midrange game to his already potent 3 point shot. What are you looking for, honestly? He isn't ready to be a superstar yet, and the spurs don't need him to be one yet. They already have 3 superstars, one of whom is playing close to MVP caliber ball. KL's time will come. Right now, he's a role player.

[timvp]

Wow. This thread. Then again, I guess it's better than last year when TDMVPDPOY posted repeatedly about how he wanted Duncan to retire to make room for Splitter the Second Coming.

[Stabula]

So basically the OP wishes the Spurs were a bad team. That seems to be the gist of it, yeah. Sounds like he'd rather Kawhi "shine" as opposed to the Spurs.

[swaggerjackson]

I really love what Kawhi brings to the team, but I think some people's expectations of what he will become are unrealistic. Yes he was a huge steal in the draft and yes Pop has all but declared him the future of the franchise. But I don't think he is going to every turn into a deadly one on one scorer or NBA superstar. I think he is going to become a better defender and develop some more moves with the dribble but I see him as an Andre Iguodala or Danny Granger caliber player. He is going to be a very player who would start on just about any team, but I don't see him developing into a guy who could carry a team deep into the playoffs without significant help. So for now I say he needs to focus on using his physical gifts to become the elite defender we know he can be, and he needs to focus on what he can do to make the Spurs win now. Parker and Ginobili could have had more impressive individual careers if they had been playing for teams that didn't have a player as good as Duncan. They could have scored 25 a night every night if that is what the team needed them to do, but a team led by solely Tony Parker or solely Manu Ginobili would not have had a great chance of winning a championship. They developed their game in order to help the team win championships. And that is what Kawhi Leonard seems to be doing. Maximize the potential of the team, not the player.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Wow. This thread. Then again, I guess it's better than last year when TDMVPDPOY posted repeatedly about how he wanted Duncan to retire to make room for Splitter the Second Coming.

LAST few games splitter has shown he is the messiah

3 stooges are holding back the new players.....must prepare for post duncan era, accept the losses now for the greater cause....

[timvp]

I think he's actually serious, tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

That seems to be the gist of it, yeah. Sounds like he'd rather Kawhi "shine" as opposed to the Spurs.

KL shining is better then building fans hopes up of another 60win team playoff fodder exit

[Kool Bob Love]

I like KL but the big 3 eat 1st. Thats the way it should go.

He'll get his shot in a couple of years. Better to let him learn to play without the ball. This will make him a better player.

[tmtcsc]

So you're saying a second year player should be showcased over three guys who have collectively been a part of at least 3 NBA Championships, multiple All Star appearances, regular season and NBA Finals MVP's and an Olympic Gold Medal. TIMVP says you're serious. I say you are delusional. You need to get some fresh air and re-think a few things. Remember, you don't always have to select the "Submit" button.

[Richie]

KL shining is better then building fans hopes up of another 60win team playoff fodder exit

So you think a team built around Kawhi and Splitter would be better right now than a team built around Timmy, Tony and Manu?

http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/image/1340/66/1340660741578.jpg

[Fabbs]

KL shining is better then building fans hopes up of another 60win team playoff fodder exit
Truth bomb.
KL does not have to be the #1 option, not what TDM is saying.
But you *Big 3* geezers need to give it a rest. They're not "big" anymore. Occasionally absolutely. Consistently? Ain't happened since 2007.
Balanced approach would be to slide more minutes and shots to KL and Splittsville. Not make them #1 and #2, just give them more. Proven they can handle it.

CIA Pooped had a very nice approach last season then crapped the bed when it took some real coaching vs OKC. On his way, has 5 already on the way to 6.
Embrace change or get ready for #6.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188574&highlight=2008

[Stabula]

KL shining is better then building fans hopes up of another 60win team playoff fodder exit How pessimistic of you. The Spurs are not just some bullshit team like the Wizards or the Bobcats the Spurs are a championship caliber team that has at least 2 more rings than other high-caliber teams not named the Lakers or the Celtics and 4 more rings than the rest. This is an elite team with a high ceiling and they have just as good a shot as anyone not named the Heat to win a 5th ring. Duncan continues to play at an elite level, Parker is showing signs of regaining his elite level of play from last season, and Ginobili seems to finally be returning to the court as the Argentine star we remember. Add in the big role players like KL, Jax, Splitter (when he's pissed) and guards that could possibly mature into something important for the team (De Colo, Mills) and you've got a recipe for success. Not to mention Pop is one of the best coaches in the league.

Your pessimism is unwarranted. I like Kawhi as much as anyone but he needs to continue his role as a competent starter and has no need currently to be "the one" to carry us through games. A green light to chuck shots anytime when we have so much firepower on this team? That's just ridiculous. Team players over stat padders anyday.

[Fabbs]

last season Stabula?
(as i posted i don't want KL #1 but to continue as is why should anyone expect anything different then last years playoffs?) For that matter
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012

[Richie]

Why is it all these posters with 5000+ posts are such fucking morons?

[Fabbs]

^ Go for 6, Pop. :lol

[Stabula]

last season Stabula? (as i posted i don't want KL #1 but to continue as is why should anyone expect anything different then last years playoffs?) For that matter 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 What about last season? We lost in 6 games in the WCF? Yeah I remember that and it was driven by a few factors. Harden played out of his mind and then shat himself in the NBA finals, Green went ice cold the entire series, and the officiating was horrendous especially in game 6. I wasn't convinced OKC was truly the better team. Everyone expected the Spurs to win it all last year and I'm convinced they still have a good shot at that this year. OKC isn't the same team anymore and if the Spurs go to the WCF again I sincerely doubt that's who they'll be playing.

[Fabbs]

Green went ice cold the entire series,
Was obvious after game 2.
Did the coach make an adjustment? No.


and the officiating was horrendous especially in game 6
It reached Kobe/Laker levels and that's about impossible.
Did the coach say anything? (Not that it would have made a damn bit of difference if Sternie and co. had a predetermined Thunder Finals) but for ___s sake, say something in the media.

[Richie]

Was obvious after game 2.
Did the coach make an adjustment? No.

Why would he make a change after we comfortably won our first 2 games? Once we starting losing Pop did make the change and put Manu in the starting lineup

[Fabbs]

Why would he make a change after we comfortably won our first 2 games? Once we starting losing Pop did make the change and put Manu in the starting lineup
Ya that is true. Plus OKC went into a coma shooting in Game 4.
Plus game 5 it was Neal and Parker who shat the bed, not Green.

[spurraider21]

Are we really complaining that a #15 draft pick isn't already an all-star in his second season? lol.

[PingPong]

Just a good role player. Overrated, so far from being a Kirye Irving tbh.

[benefactor]

So you think a team built around Kawhi and Splitter would be better right now than a team built around Timmy, Tony and Manu?

http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/image/1340/66/1340660741578.jpg
I believe he's serious...unfortunately...well...as serious as someone who has huffed several hundred gallons of paint can be.

[ChuckD]

no cause i was too busy watchin hero ball,

KL has been overshadowed by players on this team that his not given the opportunity to shine
You're a fucking retard. Stop posting, now.

You're angry with other players for so called "hero ball", yet that exactly what you're advocating that Kawhi do, and he's less equipped to do so than Manu or Tony.

[cd021]

He's averaging 10pts ,5.5 rpg and hitting 50+% from the field. HE has already proven more valuable than Richard Jefferson at a massive discount ( nearly 10 million less than RJ's current salary) He can develop into a star while being an 5th option. That is the perfect situation for him. He does need to improve his handles and ability to attack off the dribble. Pop may have over hyped his improvement but he is making solid strides.

[timvp]

When TDMVPDPOY and Fabbs agree on something, run -- don't walk -- to the other side of the argument.

[Fabbs]

When TDMVPDPOY and Fabbs agree on something, run -- don't walk -- to the other side of the argument.
I don't know if we we agree on how much KL should be increased but we def agree KL and Splitts should be increased.
The "other side" OTOH, go for six!

[FromWayDowntown]

Wow. This thread has to be one of the Spurs Talk all-timers. What it really needs is a Whitney > Parker sort of tag line.

[aal04]

Star players aside,

NO ONE is getting more love than Kawhi in the NBA, hes a very very very lucky player.

He is playing for the best organization in professional sport in America. And he is getting ALL the attention of the organization.

Every single piece of support from the coaching staff, every single piece of support from his mentor players, and every opportunity from the coach to display and hone those skills.

SAS needs a new franchise player and they know they cant buy one or draft one (TD and Robinson were freakish drafts). They have to develop one. The season TD leaves i bet we will head for a bottom finish in the division.

I just hope Kawhi does well, but atm im only seeing a solid roleplayer. And that isnt a franchise player like we need or hope and pray for.

[timvp]

The "other side" OTOH, go for six!

Which of the previous five seasons did the Spurs have the personnel and injury/ref fortune to be considered the title favorite?

[TDMVPDPOY]

how would u clowns feel if KL pull a derek anderson on us when his contract is up??

i hope he does pull a derek on us...

[Fabbs]

Which of the previous five seasons did the Spurs have the personnel and injury/ref fortune to be considered the title favorite?
2008 Ahead of the Lakers by 20 pts (65-45) 3rd qtr with only 6 minutes left. Coach Numb Nutts pulls Bowen off Kobe. One poster called it the worst coaching decision of CIP Poops career. Also for the game:
Mrs Michael Finley-Pop 22 minutes 0-5. Bob Horry? 5 minutes.
CIA Dipstick completely wastes a 30/18 effort by Duncan.
We in Game 1 yes i say we win the Series.

2009 and beyond :cry "Our roster wasn't good enough".
President of All Things Basketball acquires Dick Jefferson. Then extends Finley, Soft Dick and Bonner. :pop:

Laker reffing i concur even a GOAT lineup cannot overcome the fixaroos. 2009 i laid major bank down on the Fakeshow knowing they would be gifted the WWE belt regardless.

[DMC]

KL is the next Bruce Elliott.

[Gutter92]

Wow. This thread. Then again, I guess it's better than last year when TDMVPDPOY (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=977) posted repeatedly about how he wanted Duncan to retire to make room for Splitter the Second Coming.

:wow:rollin

[TDMVPDPOY]

2008 Ahead of the Lakers by 20 pts (65-45) 3rd qtr with only 6 minutes left. Coach Numb Nutts pulls Bowen off Kobe. One poster called it the worst coaching decision of CIP Poops career. Also for the game:
Mrs Michael Finley-Pop 22 minutes 0-5. Bob Horry? 5 minutes.
CIA Dipstick completely wastes a 30/18 effort by Duncan.
We in Game 1 yes i say we win the Series.

2009 and beyond :cry "Our roster wasn't good enough".
President of All Things Basketball acquires Dick Jefferson. Then extends Finley, Soft Dick and Bonner. :pop:

Laker reffing i concur even a GOAT lineup cannot overcome the fixaroos. 2009 i laid major bank down on the Fakeshow knowing they would be gifted the WWE belt regardless.

what pissed me of is pop not playin his rookies, when they shown during the regular season they could held their own when given the opportunity
ghill rookie season in the playoffs didnt get the opportunity when he held his own in the regular season
splitter same situation
instead opt for tosb who couldnt defend for shit...

those series losses were all winnable or at leasts given them teams a run for their money, instead waving the white flag bending over receiving it like a man...

[timvp]

2009 and beyond :cry "Our roster wasn't good enough".

Add in Manu's injury in 2008 and Fabbs just admitted his whining is baseless, tbh.

[Fabbs]

Add in Manu's injury in 2008 and Fabbs just admitted his whining is baseless, tbh.
naw your defense mechanisms are just up.
2008 it was super obvious Manu was injured.
Instead of going to available and ready Brent Barrdog, Coach Numb Nutts tries to milk GNob and he sucks on O and D. Duh, he was operating at 55%.
Barrdog responds with 23/5/5 on only 14 shots. Altho he fails to jump into DeReek Swisher to get the game winning FTAs.
Point being, CIA No Adjustments boggled two games away with 55% GNob. Ya i know Ginobili had one good game. Big deal, he was obviously injured.
So was it our roster or Coach Numb Nutts? Oh yeah Mike Finley with 9 minutes of all zeros and his usual matador defense.

[therealtruth]

Truth bomb.
KL does not have to be the #1 option, not what TDM is saying.
But you *Big 3* geezers need to give it a rest. They're not "big" anymore. Occasionally absolutely. Consistently? Ain't happened since 2007.
Balanced approach would be to slide more minutes and shots to KL and Splittsville. Not make them #1 and #2, just give them more. Proven they can handle it.

CIA Pooped had a very nice approach last season then crapped the bed when it took some real coaching vs OKC. On his way, has 5 already on the way to 6.
Embrace change or get ready for #6.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188574&highlight=2008

I agree especially when the big 3 can't even play big minutes anymore. If we could have kept Parker, Duncan, and Ginobili on the floor for 40+ minutes and have them still play at a high level we probably beat OKC.

[Mel_13]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gxKStPXyn8

[ChumpDumper]

Time to blow up the team and usher in the Splitter/Leonard era.

Multiple O'Briens to follow.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if its not broken dont change it

been broken for 5 seasons,....

[ChumpDumper]

Please tell us your grand plan to build the team around Leonard.

This should be good.

[timvp]

naw your defense mechanisms are just up.
2008 it was super obvious Manu was injured.
Instead of going to available and ready Brent Barrdog, Coach Numb Nutts tries to milk GNob and he sucks on O and D. Duh, he was operating at 55%.
Barrdog responds with 23/5/5 on only 14 shots. Altho he fails to jump into DeReek Swisher to get the game winning FTAs.
Point being, CIA No Adjustments boggled two games away with 55% GNob. Ya i know Ginobili had one good game. Big deal, he was obviously injured.
So was it our roster or Coach Numb Nutts? Oh yeah Mike Finley with 9 minutes of all zeros and his usual matador defense.

Did I miss the point in time when your nicknames were amusing? Must have, tbh.


:lol @ thinking "Barrdog" could ever replicate and replace a 55% Manu.

[jjktkk]

When TDMVPDPOY and Fabbs agree on something, run -- don't walk -- to the other side of the argument.

Or just continue to laugh at their posts.

[Obstructed_View]

Fabbs is so fucking retarded. Please stop quoting his posts.

[Fabbs]

Did I miss the point in time when your nicknames were amusing? Must have, tbh.


:lol @ thinking "Barrdog" could ever replicate and replace a 55% Manu.
Keep hiding.
23/5/5 on 14 shots.
20 point lead mid 3rd quarter blown.

Do NOT address these.

[Fabbs]

Which of the previous five seasons did the Spurs have the personnel and injury/ref fortune to be considered the title favorite?
Are you saying after the Spurs were rigged into sitting on the Tarmac overnight and yet getting to here in Game 1:

2008 Ahead of the Lakers by 20 pts (65-45) 3rd qtr with only 6 minutes left. Coach Numb Nutts pulls Bowen off Kobe. One poster called it the worst coaching decision of CIP Poops career. Also for the game:
Mrs Michael Finley-Pop 22 minutes 0-5. Bob Horry? 5 minutes.
CIA Dipstick completely wastes a 30/18 effort by Duncan.
We in Game 1 yes i say we win the Series.
That the Lakers had the better roster?

[ElNono]

In hindsight, you could argue the Spurs are stuck in that "good enough team not to tank/land a high pick but not good enough to win it all" position, but neither Kawhi or Splitter are the answer to get out of that situation, IMO.

[exstatic]

In hindsight, you could argue the Spurs are stuck in that "good enough team not to tank/land a high pick but not good enough to win it all" position, but neither Kawhi or Splitter are the answer to get out of that situation, IMO.

I disagree with that sentiment. I see those teams as being like Houston the last 2 years, the number 9 seed, hovering in the low 40s in wins. You never blow up a top 2 or 3 conference seed. All you need is a couple of breaks.

[ElNono]

I disagree with that sentiment. I see those teams as being like Houston the last 2 years, the number 9 seed, hovering in the low 40s in wins. You never blow up a top 2 or 3 conference seed. All you need is a couple of breaks.

I thought the Spurs had a couple of breaks last playoffs in landing Utah and a hobbled last season's Clippers. If you have to also hope that Durant + Lebron go down, it's a bit unrealistic, right? And that's kind of the conundrum: If our aging stars + superior team game can't trump the current generation of stars...

[exstatic]

I thought the Spurs had a couple of breaks last playoffs in landing Utah and a hobbled last season's Clippers. If you have to also hope that Durant + Lebron go down, it's a bit unrealistic, right? And that's kind of the conundrum: If our aging stars + superior team game can't trump the current generation of stars...

The alternative is horrible, if you don't absolutely HAVE to rebuild. I'll be content with 55-60 wins for another 2-3 years, THEN we can blow it up.

I may be in the minority here, but I felt that Miami was a good matchup for us last year. Their two biggest defensive weaknesses are a post scoring big man and uber-quick PGs. We have both. I agree that our first two rounds were easy matchups, but I think we were going to the WCFs regardless. We did well against Memphis and LA last year. The matchups just made it a quick trip to the WCFs.

[ElNono]

The alternative is horrible, if you don't absolutely HAVE to rebuild. I'll be content with 55-60 wins for another 2-3 years, THEN we can blow it up.

I'm on record having no problem with an extended farewell tour for the Duncan era...

[therealtruth]

The alternative is horrible, if you don't absolutely HAVE to rebuild. I'll be content with 55-60 wins for another 2-3 years, THEN we can blow it up.

I may be in the minority here, but I felt that Miami was a good matchup for us last year. Their two biggest defensive weaknesses are a post scoring big man and uber-quick PGs. We have both. I agree that our first two rounds were easy matchups, but I think we were going to the WCFs regardless. We did well against Memphis and LA last year. The matchups just made it a quick trip to the WCFs.

Ironically having the easy path was probably detrimental. We didn't really face any challenge and get to see how we responded to a loss. I also think one mistake was Pop starting Green and Kawhi. It's unheard of two rely on basically two rookies. Pop should probably have started Manu during the season and then we could have worked out any lineup issues. Or he should have stayed with Green and hope he would eventually find his shot.

I also agree Miami was the perfect matchup for us. Duncan would have had a field day scoring on their frontcourt and TP would have won the matchup against Chalmers.

[therealtruth]

In hindsight, you could argue the Spurs are stuck in that "good enough team not to tank/land a high pick but not good enough to win it all" position, but neither Kawhi or Splitter are the answer to get out of that situation, IMO.

That's probably why so many wanted to tank for Anthony Davis last year. Can you imagine pairing Davis with TD?