What's wrong with Deron Williams?

[DPG21920]

He seemingly can no longer score consistently or shoot very well. In Utah, he was always up around the 45-47% FG range, and when he was traded it just nose-dived into the 35-40% range. At first it might be argued that he had no real talent around him at NJ and was forced to do too much, take bad shots, but now he has a lot of talent and it's the same deal.

He's shooting awful from the field, from 3-point land and just all around struggling, is this a case of him always being overrated or just a slump?

[mavs>spurs]

He was always overrated, which is why guys like me didn't want him in Dallas unless he came with Dwight as the 3rd cog of a super team. Said it all summer that he wasn't worth the max.

[LkrFan]

I think one of his wheels is bad. I read somewhere that he will have surgery in the offseason.

EDIT: here (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8559067/deron-williams-brooklyn-nets-says-need-offseason-surgery-ankle) it is. Once he is healthy again he'll return to his usual self.

[Clipper Nation]

Overrated, not a leader, never in shape, only shows up when facing CP3...

[LkrFan]

He was always overrated, which is why guys like me didn't want him in Dallas unless he came with Dwight as the 3rd cog of a super team. Said it all summer that he wasn't worth the max.
You sound bitter because he spurned Dallas.

[LkrFan]

Overrated, not a leader, never in shape, only shows up when facing CP3...
He seemingly always beats CP3's teams though.

[namlook]

When Deron is healthy he's definitely not overrated.

[Clipper Nation]

He seemingly always beats CP3's teams though.
To be fair, he usually had better teams in Utah than CP3 had in NOLA, and as a Clipper, CP3's only played against DWill when the Clippers have been in a slump in general.... that being said, I really do think it's the one matchup that DWill plays at his best for...

[mavs>spurs]

You sound bitter because he spurned Dallas.

Not really whenever I was saying this back when he was thinking about coming to Dallas, the whole time I was saying please no.

[DPG21920]

Well he was pretty healthy last year and from what I know of the ankle injury is that even though he is going to have surgery that it should not really inhibit him.

He looks like he has no confidence and he also just takes more three's now and they aren't good looks. Not to mention, I think he is much too casual but it's hard to tell if he's just overrated or off.

[ElNono]

tbh, I think he let the Turkish jersey retirement get to his head...

[Clipper Nation]

When Deron is healthy he's definitely not overrated.
For years, people thought he was better than CP3, which he clearly isn't, but he's been getting paid off that overrated rep for years.... before you point to the head-to-head results, doesn't Melo usually own LeBron head to head? Doesn't make him a better player than LeBron though....

[LkrFan]

To be fair, he usually had better teams in Utah than CP3 had in NOLA, and as a Clipper, CP3's only played against DWill when the Clippers have been in a slump in general.... that being said, I really do think it's the one matchup that DWill plays at his best for...
Sounds like excuses to me. You guys held 2005-2008 Lakers against Kobe despite knowing he had a shitty supporting cast. Double standard much?

[Clipper Nation]

Sounds like excuses to me. You guys held 2005-2008 Lakers against Kobe despite knowing he had a shitty supporting cast. Double standard much?
Tbh, those shitty teams were partially Kobe's fault for forcing out Shaq and Phil after '04 and being a constant distraction....

[purplengold]

you gotta ask? Foo just collecting cash, he dun care bout rings. He play hard when he wanna play hard

[Jodelo]

He is just so happy to play alongside JJ...

38% :depressedthe best player i have ever played with:depressed

[timvp]

Fat point guards peak early in their careers. Real talk.

[callo1]

Overrated coach killer

[Brazil]

remember dat time when peope was saying he was better than CP3 ?

BTW CP3 is playin' fine but and maybe it's an impression but NO CP3 was better than LAC CP3 tbh

[Ace]

Bone spurs

[LkrFan]

Tbh, those shitty teams were partially Kobe's fault for forcing out Shaq and Phil after '04 and being a constant distraction....Nope, not buying it. They had been arguing for years. Shaq's big gut and his big mouth is the reason he was no longer in LA after that 2004 Finals. Anytime you dunk on someone (expected) in a meaningless preseason game, then tell your owner to "pay me!!..." - you can expect to be traded. If Shaq was still the 1999, MVP, 30/12/3 Shaq of old, he would have still been there. Dr. Buss traded his ass just in time too because since then it's Kobe: 2, Shaq:1*.Thems be the facts son. Neal with it.

[LkrFan]

Fat point guards peak early in their careers. Real talk.

The late Dennis Johnson says hi.

[Clipper Nation]

Nope, not buying it. They had been arguing for years.

Except Kobe finally forced the Lakers' hand by threatening to sign with the Clippers if they didn't trade Shaq...

[SpursIndonesia]

Fat point guards peak early in their careers. Real talk.

Raymond Felton doesn't agree with that. :)

[Malik Hairston]

As I've been saying for years, he's one of the most overrated players in the NBA, in addition to being a coach killing diva..he's atrocious on defense and lacks leadership skills..

[irishock]

He seemingly always beats CP3's teams though.


Not very hard when you're on a Sloan-coached team against the hornets

[rayjayjohnson]

you gotta ask? Foo just collecting cash, he dun care bout rings. He play hard when he wanna play hard

Goddamn you're a retard.

[rayjayjohnson]

As I've been saying for years, he's one of the most overrated players in the NBA, in addition to being a coach killing diva..he's atrocious on defense and lacks leadership skills..

Hes better than Parker tbh

[Killakobe81]

remember dat time when peope was saying he was better than CP3 ?

BTW CP3 is playin' fine but and maybe it's an impression but NO CP3 was better than LAC CP3 tbh

No shit. Dude had a major injury. I was in the Dwill camp but admit Paul is better but he does (Paul) struggle with bigger PGs ...Westbrook just owned him and he is not better than Paul. Pre injury they were closer than most people thought, but advanced metric worshipers sucked off Paul.

[DMC]

Deron is not overrated. He's one of the best in the league if he's healthy (not too healthy though). He's got great court vision, shoots great and can handle the ball as well as anyone in the league. I think he's just going through a tough phase.

[mavs>spurs]

he has the nice handles and flashy crossovers, and is a decent but not great shooter but he lacks the ability to consistently get good shots due to his lack of pure athleticism and being limited vertically, and lacking the craftiness to find ways around this which leads to him settling for WAY too many jumpers off the dribble hence the low percentages.

[TDMVPDPOY]

this guy still pissed about d12 not going to the nets with him??.......

[Stabula]

Both Deron Williams and Chris Paul are overrated. Personally I hate Chris Paul more for being such a flagrant flopper. His flops incite disgust.

[purplengold]

Goddamn you're a retard.

that uncalled for ya cun.t

[rayjayjohnson]

Both Deron Williams and Chris Paul are overrated. Personally I hate Chris Paul more for being such a flagrant flopper. His flops incite disgust.

same.

do you hate manu with equal vitriol?

[LkrFan]

Both Deron Williams and Chris Paul are overrated. Personally I hate Chris Paul more for being such a flagrant flopper. His flops incite disgust.
:lol

[Stabula]

same. do you hate manu with equal vitriol? I wouldn't say it's equal as Chris Paul has to be the flopping queen of the NBA. I admire Ginobili's overall game but flops of any sort always piss me off. I look at it as a sign of weakness and an attempt to bail yourself out of a bad play.

[Clipper Nation]

Both Deron Williams and Chris Paul are overrated. Personally I hate Chris Paul more for being such a flagrant flopper. His flops incite disgust.
:cry "Even though I'm a Spurfan, I pretend to hate flopping floppers who flop!" :cry

Tbh, you should be consistent and hate on Deron for how his fat rolls flop up and down when he waddles around the court... :lol

[purplengold]

Paul ain't exactly a lean athlete either, Stacey

[Pelicans78]

He's been fat and out of shape the last few years. Doesn't nearly have the quickness he used to have. Can't elevate over his defenders as well as he used to.

[Stabula]

Tbh, you should be consistent and hate on Deron for how his fat rolls flop up and down when he waddles around the court... :lol Ha. Okay Clipper fan I'll grant you that much at least.

[Koolaid_Man]

He seemingly can no longer score consistently or shoot very well. In Utah, he was always up around the 45-47% FG range, and when he was traded it just nose-dived into the 35-40% range. At first it might be argued that he had no real talent around him at NJ and was forced to do too much, take bad shots, but now he has a lot of talent and it's the same deal.

He's shooting awful from the field, from 3-point land and just all around struggling, is this a case of him always being overrated or just a slump?

You sure can play dumb at times...I hear you're actually a pretty good point guard on the court...and I tend to believe the stories that you can hoop...that being said you should know how having bone spurs can affect a point guard...


NEW YORK -- Brooklyn Nets (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets) general manager Billy King confirmed Thursday that an MRI revealed point guard Deron Williams (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2798/deron-williams) has bone spurs in his left ankle and probably will have to undergo offseason surgery to have them "cleaned up."

However, King downplayed the results and expects the injury to be "manageable."




King said the bone spurs were causing inflammation in the point guard's ankle.

[Koolaid_Man]

Both Deron Williams and Chris Paul are overrated. Personally I hate Chris Paul more for being such a flagrant flopper. His flops incite disgust.

I'd take them both over Tony Parker...plus they don't fuck teammates wives

[DPG21920]

I might be inclined to blame the bone spurs if he had put up good numbers when healthy like he was last year - but last year was bad too. Also, the bone spurs are said to be pretty manageable so if he's playing and can make it through an entire season, he should be ok.

[Koolaid_Man]

I might be inclined to blame the bone spurs if he had put up good numbers when healthy like he was last year - but last year was bad too. Also, the bone spurs are said to be pretty manageable so if he's playing and can make it through an entire season, he should be ok.

Please get rid of that avatar...it reminds me of the time I welshed on you...and for the record I only did it because Cully threatened to withdraw his friendship if I paid...and his friendship meant more to me than paying you...in fact I would welsh again if those were the terms...outside of that I apologize...:lol

[BRHornet45]

Sons Deron is just like the rest of this generations NBA players. Lazy, spoiled, and good for nothing other than dribbling and shooting a ball. He just needs one good ass whipping to put him in his place and humble him.

[FYM]

At least Rondo is not a lazy fat ass like Deron and CP3

[Clipper Nation]

At least Rondo is not a lazy fat ass like Deron and CP3

He's just a stat-padding bitch with attitude problems....

[FYM]

He's just a stat-padding bitch with attitude problems....

still better than a fat ass flopper bitch

[DPG21920]

He should be an 18 point/10 assist machine on 46-48% shooting.

[Clipper Nation]

still better than a fat ass flopper bitch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-ZJNMgC5Vs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvz73SHW3nk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAnplzbN6lI

[DPG21920]

He just had Novak on him and air balled a layup..

[FYM]

:lol Clipper Nation

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1106098/paulf.gif

[Clipper Nation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roVw7Qqu1hs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpI06hPoF34

[Clipper Nation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRxZ-6DYJgU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoTaOw0Cd_Y

[pass1st]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0L2BISX-pM

[Latarian Milton]

teams built around PGs are genuinely screwd up in the first place. deron is not overrated and he's at least a top 5 at this position w/o a doubt, it's not jsut him that has been playing bad, the whole team has been performing well below expectation. they got some nice players but it seems they've yet to figure out a way to win. and the team is not that good in terms of talents as people think they are, JJ has been playing like garbage and the 7'0 white faggot can't rebound for shit, so the whole team is still pretty much on deron's shoulder like it always was

[FYM]

:lmao clipper nation talking shit about flopping

[DPG21920]

Continuing to watch him play not only is he shooting poorly, but he's scared to shoot. He will routinely pass up good looks and one's he does shoot he hesitates and his shot is flatter than ever with no touch.

[Koolaid_Man]

just wishes he was playing with Kobe and Dwight..he'll get over it

[Koolaid_Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0L2BISX-pM

lol that auto-flopping off da chain

[da_suns_fan]

Shooting 29% from three yet continues to chuck it up. Avery Johnson doesnt have the balls to tell him to STOP SHOOTING THREE POINTERS!!

[Clipper Nation]

Avery Johnson doesnt have the balls to tell him to STOP SHOOTING THREE POINTERS!!

He's the one making DWill shoot the ugly three-pointers, since he insists on using him as basically a shooting guard.... his offense really sucks and is boring to watch, tbh...

[Clipper Nation]

M:lol Willi:lolms outplayed DWill tonight :lmao

[DPG21920]

The really alarming thing is his fall off in defense and assists. He's playing with a lot of solid talent and while his shot is off, no excuse to get burned on defense and also have inconsistent assists.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Who?

[TheRealCB]

4 mil OJ Mayo>>18 mil DWill

[DPG21920]

Dayum :wow

http://www.nj.com/ledger-dalessandro/index.ssf/2012/12/dalessandro_deron_williams_holding_on_too_tight.ht ml


We heard you blame your troubles on coach Avery Johnson, and pine for the days when that wise old crank in Utah ran stuff that was better suited to your individual skills.

Trust us: The national response was raucous laughter, because you were the guy responsible for getting Jerry Sloan to decide after 27 years that he’d rather live with his 30 tractors in McLeansboro, Ill., than put up with your insubordination.

Now you say Sloan was best for your career, not to mention the $100 million contract that validates it? That’s rich. Sure, revisionist history was worth a shot, but our only takeaway was more sympathy for Avery. He’s done what he had to do with this offense: Establish Brook Lopez, get Joe Johnson acclimated quickly, and whatever sugar remains goes to Deron and Gerald Wallace.

Whether the point guard likes it or not is irrelevant. You make it work. You lead.

And when you miss game-winning shots against the Bulls and Knicks, with no defender in the same ZIP code, you blame yourself — period.

Of course, the lack of accountability is also management’s fault. We recall those stories about you finishing practice and heading up to Billy King’s office to plop yourself on the couch — where even the new boss chuckled along when you called yourself “the assistant GM.” Haw!

But if you understand the GM-player relationship, you know this is a problem. Because with the exception of one guy in San Antonio, no player should have this kind of entitlement. Not even LeBron James, who once prided himself on his ability to hold a franchise hostage, would presume to have this kind of influence.

[DPG21920]

I wonder if emo Deron will get this guy fired. This is a pretty scathing article for a beat writer to write about the team's star player.

[lefty]

NBA scores: The Nets lose again, and Deron Williams is part of the problem

By Mike Prada (http://www.sbnation.com/authors/mike-prada) on Dec 20, 9:46a 1 (http://www.sbnation.com/2012/12/20/3787744/nba-scores-2012-deron-williams-nets-knicks#comments)
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The Nets lost again, and Deron Williams is getting some justified criticism. Also, the Kings and Warriors play a classic out West, and the Thunder needed just two players to beat the Hawks.
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Knicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/new-york-knicks) 100, Nets (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/brooklyn-nets) 86
First, a few words on the Knicks: they are in an awesome rhythm right now and have become impossible to stop because of their three-point shooting and the threat of Tyson Chandler (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21669/tyson-chandler) rolling to the rim. This Carmelo Anthony guy is also pretty good (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2012/12/20/3787430/carmelo-anthony-mvp-new-york-knicks-vs-nets). These have been a few words on the Knicks.
Now, let's talk about the Nets, like many people are. On some level, I'm not inclined to panic about this team's recent struggles. We forget how many new players the team has. More importantly, we forget how many players they have who are used to the plays being structured for them rather than having to work off other stars. The Nets' offense now is a weird amalgam of Jerry Sloan-style Flex action (Williams' old offense), Horns sets (where the two big men initiate the offense from the elbow), Hawks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/atlanta-hawks)-style baseline screens, guard-guard picks (Joe Johnson's (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21564/joe-johnson) offense), standard high-pick-and-rolls and shuffle cuts to free up Brook Lopez. It's as if they are running many different offensive systems, each tailored to one of their stars.
I'm inclined to believe that element of the Nets' struggles will be solved with time. Already, you see them having some success with several of those set plays. That'll only continue as they learn how to play with each other and unlearn bad habits they developed in losing situations (for all the holdover Nets) or settings where they had free reign to break plays (Johnson). I also think that they'll eventually develop some more trust for each other where they aren't breaking plays to play hero-ball, like they did in the third quarter against the Knicks.
But I also think there are some scary issues. One is the defense, but few actually expected Brooklyn to be good on that end. The more concerning and surprising issues go back to Williams himself. For a supposed elite point guard, Williams has a really poor understanding of pace and personnel. He's supremely talented and versatile, but his decision-making and shot-selection were really poor in that third quarter and have been all season.
One issue Williams has is a tendency to get sloppy in transition. Here's one play in the third quarter where he committed a turnover.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1902899/Screen_Shot_2012-12-20_at_12.03.04_AM_medium.png (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1902899/Screen_Shot_2012-12-20_at_12.03.04_AM.png)

There are a lot of numbers here, so let me explain. This is a situation where the Knicks have missed a shot and the Nets grabbed a defensive rebound. Williams has the ball on the right wing. The yellow numbers refer to the Knicks players who are behind the ball (Ronnie Brewer (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21656/ronnie-brewer) excepted). The Nets numbers are in order of which guys are furthest into the frountcourt. As you can see, the Knicks have four bodies back to prevent any sort of fast break. The efficient play is to pull this out and run your half-court offense. Instead, Williams tries to drive around Felton and loses the ball out of bounds.
Here's another transition situation where the Nets actually got a good shot, but it wasn't the right play.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1902907/Screen_Shot_2012-12-20_at_12.15.27_AM_medium.png (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1902907/Screen_Shot_2012-12-20_at_12.15.27_AM.png)
This is what the screen looks like right after a Nets defensive rebound. All five Nets players are still on the wrong side of half-court, while the fifth Knick not pictured is already back. Let's roll the tape a bit further.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1902915/Screen_Shot_2012-12-20_at_12.15.35_AM_medium.png (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1902915/Screen_Shot_2012-12-20_at_12.15.35_AM.png)
Once again, the Knicks have four players behind the ball. Trying to get a quick shot in this situation is not smart, especially because the tide of the game is starting to turn. Instead, Williams tries to set up the man behind him, Keith Bogans (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/21601/keith-bogans), for an open three. If that were Paul Pierce (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/4345/paul-pierce), Klay Thompson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/150213/klay-thompson), Stephen Curry (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/71907/stephen-curry) or, hell, even Joe Johnson, the logic would make some sense. But it's Keith Bogans.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1902939/Screen_Shot_2012-12-20_at_12.15.43_AM_medium.png (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1902939/Screen_Shot_2012-12-20_at_12.15.43_AM.png)
This isn't a bad shot on its surface, because Bogans is a pretty good three-point shooter, but the timing is bad. It's a home-run play, and the Nets' half-court offense is too dangerous on paper to go for too many home-run plays. If Bogans misses, the Nets have no rebounders to grab the carom. Williams simply has to be more patient than to rush for this shot.
Throw in all the poor shots, and the criticism of Williams is deserved. He has all the skills, but has lost his grasp on the sense of timing. In many ways, he's discovering that increased freedom has actually detracted from his game. At this point, Williams has to accept that being reigned in a bit will make him and his team better.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Cuban looking like a genius..... per the usual.

[LkrFan]

Better question: what's wrong with CP0? D-Will is undefeated in the playoffs (so far). :downspin:

[Clipper Nation]

Better question: what's wrong with CP0? D-Will is undefeated in the playoffs (so far). :downspin:

Hey Armando - what's wrong with Lance "The X-Factor" Stephenson? Getting owned at home by an under .500 team? SMH :lol

[LkrFan]

Hey Armando - what's wrong with Lance "The X-Factor" Stephenson? Getting owned at home by an under .500 team? SMH :lol
:lol - he did his part. More made FGs than PG. Too bad Bird won't be able to outbid Fredo for his services this summer. ;)

[ElNono]

:lol - he did his part. More made FGs than PG. Too bad Bird won't be able to outbid Fredo for his services this summer. ;)

Stephenson and Swaggy P? :lmao

[LkrFan]

Stephenson and Swaggy P? :lmao

I hope n:lolt. I couldn't handle both on the same squad + The Return! of the Mamba tbh. :lol

But Stephenson will be our young, Black Ginobli. You can't stop him - you can only hope to contain him. :lol