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mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 12:33 PM
Mavs are expected to dump Finley

By Art Garcia
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

Barring the unexpected, Michael Finley's career with the Mavericks is effectively over. The financial implications of waiving the longest-tenured member of the team far outweigh keeping Finley, making his release "academic," according to a team source.

Finley is eligible to be waived under a one-time-only exception in the new collective-bargaining agreement recently agreed upon by the NBA and the players' association. Teams above the luxury tax threshold, such as the Mavs, are permitted to release one player this summer and avoid the luxury-tax penalty from that player's contract.

"Whatever decisions [we make] will be made in the best interest of the franchise," Mavs coach Avery Johnson said Sunday. "That's pretty much what we promised our players and our fans. The part of the business of losing anyone on our team isn't a good feeling, especially Finley."

A player released would still receive his full salary for the length of the contract and count against the salary cap, but that salary would not be used to calculate the luxury-tax penalty. In Finley's case, he's on the books for $51.8 million over the next three years.

"It's a process we're working through together," Mavs president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson said. "We're sharing information and trying to address all the different options. We'll be working along with Michael and his representatives to figure out a win-win situation."

Assuming the Mavs remain above the luxury-tax threshold -- a safe assumption -- Finley's deal would cost the Mavs up to $103.6 million. Waiving Finley would save Mavs owner Mark Cuban up to $51.8 million in luxury-tax payments.

But that's only part of the savings for the next three years, because Finley's contract is substantially deferred. The Mavs would pay Finley approximately $5 million of next season's $15.9 million salary, with the remainder spread out over a number of years. It's a similar situation for the last two years of his deal, meaning the overall bottom-line savings for the next three seasons could fall in the $80 million range, a figure even the billionaire owner can't ignore.

Finley and Cuban were in Mexico over the weekend attending the wedding of Mavs equipment manger Al Whitely. Considering his value to the franchise for the last eight seasons, Cuban wanted the opportunity to address the situation with Finley face-to-face.

Finley, 33, would be the second member of the former "Big Three" to leave the Mavs in the past year. Steve Nash left for Phoenix via free agency last summer, leaving only Dirk Nowitzki from what was once considered the franchise's core threesome.

If waived, Finley is free to sign with any team except the Mavs. The market for Finley, an effective locker-room presence with a career 19-point scoring average, is expected to be good. His new salary also could lead to even more savings for the Mavs. The new CBA contains a formula that could offset some of what the Mavs owe Finley, though the details have yet to be finalized.

Finley can't officially be released until the final version of the CBA is ratified by both the league and the players. That's expected to occur in late July.

Trading the 10-year veteran -- a consideration after the season -- no longer makes sense. The Mavs have moved big contracts in the past, including Juwan Howard, Raef LaFrentz, Nick Van Exel, Antoine Walker and Antawn Jamison, but moving Finley in return for another big contract doesn't alleviate the luxury-tax penalty.

If Finley did return, his chances of being in the starting lineup would be remote. The tentative plan would be to use Finley to back up Josh Howard at small forward. Internally, the Mavs are considering Jerry Stackhouse and Marquis Daniels at shooting guard, although acquiring outside help is an option, as well.

Finley's health is also a concern. He has been plagued by injuries in recent seasons and underwent successful ankle surgery earlier this month, a procedure that wasn't done under the supervision of the Mavs' medical staff. Finley missed 18 games last season and averaged 15.7 points, his lowest output since joining the Mavs in the 1996-97 season.

Marcus Bryant
06-28-2005, 12:39 PM
Perhaps Finley would be interested in winning championships and lighting up his former employer 4 times (at least) a year?

Hmmmm...:)

Aggie Hoopsfan
06-28-2005, 12:42 PM
Finley would be a great pickup for our bench.

Plus you could pencil the guy in for 40 every time we played _allas.

:lol

Marcus Bryant
06-28-2005, 12:44 PM
Finley backs up Bruce. A bit on the small end at the 3 spot, but sobeit.

:smokin

Solid D
06-28-2005, 12:44 PM
The DFW media were really on Finley's case at the end of the season. They were basically saying good riddance last week when news of the new CBA and the 1-time lux tax clause came out.

If someone like Detroit signs him...look out. He still has game-changing firepower from the perimeter. His scoring literally kept the Mavs in 2 of the Suns games by himself.

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 12:45 PM
Dallas has 3 shooting guards that are good enough to be a starter and Finley is rapidly declining for Dallas. Daniels and Stackhouse are both better than Finley this late in his career. He also is very injury prone.

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 12:47 PM
The DFW media were really on Finley's case at the end of the season. They were basically saying good riddance last week when news of the new CBA and the 1-time lux tax clause came out.

If someone like Detroit signs him...look out. He still has game-changing firepower from the perimeter. His scoring literally kept the Mavs in 2 of the Suns games by himself.
Yeah but also destroyed Dallas in games 5 and 6. For every big game he has he makes up for it with a terrible game.

picnroll
06-28-2005, 12:50 PM
Finley and Bowen could elbow each other in practice instead of during games.

Aggie Hoopsfan
06-28-2005, 12:51 PM
Daniels sucks. Kid didn't do jack when he came back this year. Finley was the heart and soul of that team, and now the Mavs are kicking him to the curb.

Just another reason why they'll never win a thing.

Dex
06-28-2005, 12:53 PM
I'd love to have Finley as a backup, but seriously...

The guy was making over 15 million a season, more than even Tim Duncan. Does anyone REALLY think he's going to come here and play for peanuts (and a ring)?

The question is, how much do those parentheses really matter to him?

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 12:54 PM
Daniels sucks. Kid didn't do jack when he came back this year. Finley was the heart and soul of that team, and now the Mavs are kicking him to the curb.

Just another reason why they'll never win a thing.
Do you remember how good Daniels was in his first year. That ankle injury cost him to miss training camp and part of the season. I think he will become a great player during the summer league. Finley was great 3 years ago but he is too inconsistent and strictly a jump shooter. He used to be a great player for Dallas but has fallen dramatically because of injuries and age.

Aggie Hoopsfan
06-28-2005, 12:56 PM
Does anyone REALLY think he's going to come here and play for peanuts (and a ring)?

He wouldn't be playing for peanuts, he'd be playing for 15 million a year plus whatever the Spurs paid him, it's just that Cuban would be footing the bill for most of it :D


Do you remember how good Daniels was in his first year.

Yes, and since then he's regressed. Teams have him scouted now, and he can't do jack. Have a nice day.

Dex
06-28-2005, 12:58 PM
He wouldn't be playing for peanuts, he'd be playing for 15 million a year plus whatever the Spurs paid him, it's just that Cuban would be footing the bill for most of it :D

....sign him up! :elephant

Hell, the MLE will buy you 5 nice houses in San Antonio.

Sense
06-28-2005, 01:00 PM
Daniels sucks. Kid didn't do jack when he came back this year. Finley was the heart and soul of that team, and now the Mavs are kicking him to the curb.

Just another reason why they'll never win a thing.


Totally agree with this.

Second mistake since kicking Nash out.

Duff McCartney
06-28-2005, 01:00 PM
Finley wouldn't come to the Spurs. The Mavs board I frequent has long been saying that Finley has a huge ego. He had a huge problem letting Dirk become the teams leader, how do you think he'll handle being what the 3rd-4th swingman off the bench here in SA?

He'll go somewhere else.

Aggie Hoopsfan
06-28-2005, 01:04 PM
He wouldn't be the third backup swingman. He'd instantly be our #1 backup at the 2 and 3.

And he'd have a chance to win rings while giving the proverbial finger to the Mavs organization.

But someone like Atlanta or NO will probably give him 6-8 million a year to go play for them. Depends how bad he wants the ring.

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 01:06 PM
Finley's stats in 2005 playoffs is 13.1 ppg shooting 42.5% in 38 minutes.

weebo
06-28-2005, 01:25 PM
Finely is a pussy. We don't another one. We already have one in
Rasho.

Spurminator
06-28-2005, 01:28 PM
Finley was hampered a bit with injuries this season, and he did not look good on the court. If he's not healed up, about all he would be good for in San Antonio is an alternative target for the ire directed at Brent Barry.

Guru of Nothing
06-28-2005, 01:29 PM
I can easily see Finely going to the Rockets.

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 01:31 PM
It seems like Finley gets injured every year. He will not be the same player now because of having to have surgery on his ankle. He is close to done in my opinion. Brent Barry is better

Vashner
06-28-2005, 01:44 PM
We don't need that dude....

SenorSpur
06-28-2005, 01:54 PM
Guys, don't even think about it. I live in Dallas so I have some inside insight. While there have been disadvantages mentioned earlier, let me chime in as to why the Spurs should not pursue Michael Finley.

1. Injuries - have depleted him of much of his natural athletic ability. He is no longer able to slash to the hoop and attack the rim, as he did when he was younger. Injuries have relegated him to simply lingering on the perimeter and taking ill-advised jumpers. Sure he has his moments (31 points in a single playoff game versus Phoenix this year), but he's not a good enough outside shooter, like a SJax, Kerr or even Hedo for that matter, to warrant constant defensive attention as a sixth man or shooting specialist.

2. Ego. While he has taken the lion share of criticism from both local Mavs fans and Dallas/Ft. Worth media, he remains steadfast in his belief that he is still a core member of the team. While that may be acceptable for an above-average or superstar player, however this guy is no longer an above average talent. When asked whether he'd move to the bench, if such a move would help the team, his response is always "this team won 58 games with me as a starter, so any criticism or suggestions of me moving out of the starting lineup is unfair". While he puts up a brave front, the severe criticism over the years has left him on edge.

3. Defense (or the lack thereof). We all know to exist in Pop's systems, you've got to be able to play defense. Hell, even Big Dog understood that and put forth the effort. This guy has never exerted effort on the defensive side of the ball. He's all offense, all the time. Which made him the protype player Don "Nellie" Nelson loved.

4. Money. Because his ego is such that he still considers himself a starter, it's no doubt he'll want to command a starters salary. Trust me, he's gonna find the market is shaky for a 34 year-old, injury-prone swingman, who cannot consistently nail the outside jumper, doesn't pass well and puts forth little to no effort defensively.

5. Team Chemistry. I watched my share of Mavs games (when the Spurs were not on, of course) and one of the team's weaknesses (outside of their defensive liabilities) was their limited ball movement, which resulted in a low number of assists. Between Dirk and Finley, one or the other was sure to fire away - no matter who's guarding them or where they are on the court. Finley and Dirk were "black holes" on offense, which made Steve Nash's absence even more glaring. Furthermore, I'm afraid Finley would trouble with our inside-outside offensive style and would surely continue his penchant of forcing shots instead of taking shots within the flow of the offense.

Finley is a good player, a good guy and a strong community advocate. He would have been a better fit here 4 years ago. However, the fact remains that this guy is in some serious denial about his skills and that he doesn't or cannot accept the fact that his career is on the decline. If some team wants to bite on this guy, great. However, the Spurs should stay away - far away.

MadDog73
06-28-2005, 02:07 PM
How much can the Spurs afford to spend this year?

Don't they have their hands full with keeping Horry and signing Scola?

Mr. Body
06-28-2005, 02:16 PM
I see Finley going back to Phoenix.

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 11:03 PM
I see Finley going to Chicago.

BillsCarnage
06-28-2005, 11:07 PM
I see Finley going back to Phoenix.

That's what i'm hoping too! He's going to be a steal for whoever gets him and there has been talk around here of him coming back.

$51mil on the books for the next 3years... Nice Cuban... Real nice.. :lmao :lmao

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 11:09 PM
The only thing Finley will be stealing are cups off the bench. Waterboys are needed in the league because he is aging rapidly.

BillsCarnage
06-28-2005, 11:10 PM
Hey, all he needs to do is come off the Suns bench and give them 8pts and play a little D. The Suns use their bench to rest the starters not score loads of points.

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 11:12 PM
He doesn't play defense anymore and I doubt he will score 8 points on the average in les than 20 minutes. He'll be coming off ankle surgery which will make him even more of a defensive liability.

Jdspur20
06-28-2005, 11:13 PM
no no and no!!!!, i've seen this guy play for years here in dallas. he plays no D and doesn't have the guts to get to the basket.

mavsfan1000
06-28-2005, 11:19 PM
He won't hurt the team if he accepts the role of playing only 10-15 minutes a game.

Pandaemonaeon
06-29-2005, 05:39 AM
Finley would be good at a team that doesn't have a starting SG for the MLE, but as a back-up, I'm not so sure of that. He's not an energy guy you could yank off the bench. He doesn't play defense (anymore) either and has the handles of a center.

Bottomline: If you need a perimeter shooter that only functions once in a while and before the trade deadline - go for it.

Supergirl
06-29-2005, 08:31 AM
I used to think Finley was the only Mav who had a prayer of playing defense. But his contract is outrageous.

I think he'll be a hot commodity for the MLE. A team like the Hornets could make a bid for him, or the Bobcats.

I don't think the Suns can afford him, after picking up Thomas.