Is Ginobili white?

[irishock]

I'm not too well-educated in terms of geography, but I know he's from Argentina, but so is Scola and people don't seem to put them in the same category as Dirk, Nash, Peja, etc. in terms of race.

So, is Manu white? If he is, him or Dirk, who's the best white playoff performer of the decade?

[pass1st]

His family is of Italian descent so he does fit into the criteria of being a Caucasian....I think

[KL2]

No, Manu is Mexican, I thought this was well known.

[NRHector]

I thought he was Batman

[FYM]

he is white he cannot jump

[Juggity]

He's got that Euro-Italian ancestry, not native American ancestry. So he's definitely white.

[TimDunkem]

No, Manu is Mexican, I thought this was well known.

Every Hispanic is a Mexican to Mexicans in San Antonio.

[BlackSwordsMan]

So you see, way back then, uh, Sicilians were like, uh, wops from Northern Italy. Ah, they all had blonde hair and blue eyes, but, uh, well, then the Moors moved in there, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much fuckin' with Sicilian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why blonde hair and blue eyes became black hair and dark skin

[JRHernandez88]

Every Hispanic is a Mexican to Mexicans in San Antonio.
Even Jesus was Mexican tbh

[NRHector]

Even Jesus was Mexican tbh

:lmao

[JRHernandez88]

Lol

[davi78239]

He's Italian. But also a Latino

[DMC]

Manu is white.

[Latarian Milton]

if you define white people as those who're as white as sheamus then white people would be the minority in all european countries as well as the US except for a few north european countries like iceland and norway imho

[baseline bum]

Since when did Mexicans become white?

[Dex]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/272.png&w=350&h=254

You be the judge.

[JRHernandez88]

to be fair can we get a pic with his hair long??

[CitizenDwayne]

So you see, way back then, uh, Sicilians were like, uh, wops from Northern Italy. Ah, they all had blonde hair and blue eyes, but, uh, well, then the Moors moved in there, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much fuckin' with Sicilian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why blonde hair and blue eyes became black hair and dark skin

You're part eggplant.

[Dex]

http://frontofficenews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/manu-ginobili.jpg

Wow, that really does make a difference.

[TDMVPDPOY]

first thing during colonization, dilute the gene pool

[JRHernandez88]

http://frontofficenews.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/manu-ginobili.jpg

Wow, that really does make a difference.definately latino

[DAF86]

Americans don't know what Latino or Latin means, tbh.

[SpursRock20]

His ethnicity is Italian. Although he was born in South America, he is not latino. Many Argentinians are Italians.

I hope you all know that the place of birth has no effect on ethnicity.

[JRHernandez88]

Fk it he's Mexican then

[timvp]

Ginobili is more culturally black than Kobe, tbh.

[DAF86]

His ethnicity is Italian. Although he was born in South America, he is not latino. Many Argentinians are Italians.

I hope you all know that the place of birth has no effect on ethnicity.

Italians are Latinos. Just what I was saying:


Americans don't know what Latino or Latin means, tbh.

[SpursRock20]

Italians are Latinos. Just what I was saying:

If you want to define Latinos as people who use a language that derives from Latin, then yes, Italians are Latinos. That's one way to define it. But the question was, "Is he white." Americans define Latinos as a people native to Latin America. Based on this definition, he is not Latino. It's all semantics.

[NRHector]

His ethnicity is Italian. Although he was born in South America, he is not latino. Many Argentinians are Italians. I hope you all know that the place of birth has no effect on ethnicity.

:lol so many mexicans are spaniards that makes them white

[SpursRock20]

Many Argentinians are of Italian descent, happy?

[DAF86]

If you want to define Latinos as people who use a language that derives from Latin, then yes, Italians are Latinos. That's one way to define it. But the question was, "Is he white." Americans define Latinos as a people native to Latin America. Based on this definition, he is not Latino. It's all semantics.

No, it's not semantics, it's the meaning of a word getting disorted.

Latino or Latin means one thing and one thing only.

[SpursRock20]

No, it's not semantics, it's the meaning of a word getting disorted.

Latino or Latin means one thing and one thing only.

You are right, the word is heavily distorted and has a whole new meaning here in the United States. But that is how words change. For example, in the U.S. we use the word "homely" to refer to an ugly person; however, in the U.K. it means "pleasant". Yeah, I know that we, Americans, screw up the meaning of words and are essentially creating our own language but that is just how it is. We basically define "Latino" as a "brown person".

One person said he is Latino. Based on how we perceive "Latino", I said he was wrong. I shouldn't have assumed that he is using the American meaning but I'm pretty sure he was.

[baseline bum]

No, it's not semantics, it's the meaning of a word getting disorted.

Latino or Latin means one thing and one thing only.

It means Mexican. What's so hard about that?

[FkLA]

"We Latinos are in a growing stage in the NBA (http://www.quotesandpoem.com/quotes/showquotes/author/manu-ginobili/132479#). It's all part of the international basketball boom."

[DAF86]

You can be white and Latino, tbh.

[Manufan909]

You can be white and Latino, tbh.

This.

[Latarian Milton]

latinos may refer to the people living in south america where most people apart from mexico & caribbean area look just as white as an average american does, if not whiter. some latin american countries are nazi sympathizers and their people are in fact whiter than italians & french people in general tbh

[YoMamaIsCallin]

Really, people. What is this, 1970?

Who the FUCK CARES?

[pookenstein]

So you see, way back then, uh, Sicilians were like, uh, wops from Northern Italy. Ah, they all had blonde hair and blue eyes, but, uh, well, then the Moors moved in there, and uh, well, they changed the whole country. They did so much fuckin' with Sicilian women, huh? That they changed the whole bloodline forever. That's why blonde hair and blue eyes became black hair and dark skin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_svnsF5OLbI
:hat

[Koolaid_Man]

I'm not too well-educated in terms of geography, but I know he's from Argentina, but so is Scola and people don't seem to put them in the same category as Dirk, Nash, Peja, etc. in terms of race.

So, is Manu white? If he is, him or Dirk, who's the best white playoff performer of the decade?

98% of all Mexicans and Latino's think they are or want to be white...most of the ones I know would deny their heritage in a nano-second if given the opportunity...they really I mean really want to be considered the white man...real bad...:lol

yeah they voted for Obama but that's only because of the Tea Party alternative...it's the same with Arabs...for all intents and purposes they thought they were white for the past 60+ yrs until 911...then when whites turned on them they now want to be down with the black man...shit is hilarious :lol

[Chinook]

No, it's not semantics, it's the meaning of a word getting disorted.

Latino or Latin means one thing and one thing only.

Yes, but those two words mean different things. If you want to play the "one true definition" game, Latin used to only mean ancient Romans (from Latium, although I had heard in school that these people were called Latims, but whatever). Latino as a U.S. term refers to people from Mexico, Central- and South America, and for some odd reason Spain. I had heard before that the term is an abbreviation of 'latinoamericano'. By that logic, the way most Americans think of the word Latino is the exact way the word is defined. If there is a divergent meaning that comes from another place, then the word is just polysemous. That doesn't make the American use of the term wrong.

For those keeping score, that means Ginobili is Latin (if you just go ahead and say Latin refers to all people of Italian descent), Latino and White.

[DAF86]

Yes, but those two words mean different things. If you want to play the "one true definition" game, Latin used to only mean ancient Romans (from Latium, although I had heard in school that these people were called Latims, but whatever). Latino as a U.S. term refers to people from Mexico, Central- and South America, and for some odd reason Spain. I had heard before that the term is an abbreviation of 'latinoamericano'. By that logic, the way most Americans think of the word Latino is the exact way the word is defined. If there is a divergent meaning that comes from another place, then the word is just polysemous. That doesn't make the American use of the term wrong.

For those keeping score, that means Ginobili is Latin (if you just go ahead and say Latin refers to all people of Italian descent), Latino and White.

From what I see Americans don't use the word Latino to refer to people from Latinoamerica, they use it to refer to people that are "mestizos".

[Chinook]

As a racial distinction, you're right that Latino gets messed up by ignorant folks. But I think the extent to which Americans in general don't understand what the word means is overstated. It just stands to reason that mestizos are almost by definition Latinos, and so people feel that can safely refer to them as such. Most Americans don't assume the same with Blacks, Whites and Asians from Latin America. because they have different ideas of where those people come from. That's wrong, but it's no worse than the assumption that every Black person is an American-American. It's not so much an ignorance of the term, I feel, but rather a stereotype about what a person from Latin America looks like.

[FkLA]

Are both of Manus parents pure Italians? Also how did the Ginobilis end up in Argentina ?

[NRHector]

If he bricks a 3 pointer then he's white, but if he makes it he's a latino, there I hope this ends the discussion

[DMC]

Are both of Manus parents pure Italians? Also how did the Ginobilis end up in Argentina ?

Here.... (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Manu+Ginobili)

[lefty]

The real question is :

Does Manu Ginobili know that he is married to Manu Ginobili ?

http://ballerwives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Manu-Ginobili-Wife-Marianela-Orono1.jpg

[DAF86]

If having one ancestor that isn't all white makes you not white I'm not sure there are as many whites as informed.

Anyway, I'm sure Manu couldn't care less about what race he is, tbh.

[FkLA]

If having one ancestor that isn't all white makes you not white I'm not sure there are as many whites as informed.

Anyway, I'm sure Manu couldn't care less about what race he is, tbh.

Nah, thats not what I meant tbh. I was just asking those questions out of curiosity.

Based on his skin tone and his last name we can assume that he atleast has Italian blood from his fathers side. Unless his moms side are mestizos than he should be considered white imo.

[ElNono]

I can confirm Manu's parents were both born in Argentina... However, either his grandfather or great grandfather was Italian. The reason being that Italy grants citizenship up until the great grandfather ancestry and it's fairly well known Manu has dual citizenship (Argentina & Italian).

[Latarian Milton]

manu has one spot on his head that's even whiter than milk though

[spursfaninla]

I can confirm Manu's parents were both born in Argentina... However, either his grandfather or great grandfather was Italian. The reason being that Italy grants citizenship up until the great grandfather ancestry and it's fairly well known Manu has dual citizenship (Argentina & Italian).

This discussion highlights the confusion our society has over whether "Latino", "hispanic," or even terms like "Mexican-American" really refer to a cultural identity, a racial identity, or both. I vote cultural identity.

I think using "latino" as a racial identity idea makes no sense, largely because racial identity only makes sense as a social idea, not as a genetic one.

Even setting aside that race makes no sense from a scientific standpoint (although regional characteristics do make sense, but that is a different discussion) most latinos, even europeans, are of mixed descent, and the rules for what is defined as "white" keeps changing historically. In the late 1800's and early 1900s, being Irish was not included as "white," and Italians too. Mixed people typically can appear white, but many people consider them not to be white regardless. So, in a sense, almost all latinos are of a mixed race, as are almost all people anyway.

to the point: Manu identifies as Latino, he was born in south america, he speaks spanish, and his parents were born in latin america. Clearly he is culturally a "latino," for all that this means given the cultural diversity of different spanish speakers.

[Man In Black]

Manu is white and took shit from other players when they didn't know who he was early on. Players used to disrespect him by saying he was a Whitey Euro who couldn't play Basketball. And then he dunked on their heads or broke their ankles on the way to a twisting layup.

http://m24digital.com/en/2011/11/18/ginobili-in-the-u-s-i-was-despised-for-being-whitey-for-coming-from-south-america/

I've always said that part of the reason the Spurs aren't as popular is because AMERICAN TV doesn't know to promote International Stars. They failed miserably with Tony and Manu but are trying to pump up the US on new International players like Ricky Rubio and Serge Ibaka.

If we're talking American Demographic Definitions, on the US Census, there is no Race for Mexican. There is a listing for Hispanic as an ethnic classification followed by Race. So, for the US Census, Manu could simply say that Him and his family are Hispanic>White
Where as a a guy like say Leandrinho Barbosa could say that him and his family are Hispanic>Black

http://www.census.gov/population/hispanic/

[russellgoat]

Manu look jewish tbh...

[Proxy]

If it speaks spanish, it's mexican

[Spur_Fanatic]

if you define white people as those who're as white as sheamus then white people would be the minority in all european countries as well as the US except for a few north european countries like iceland and norway imho

Pretty much this.