Andrew Luck is League MVP

[DeadlyDynasty]

Dat boy good.

[Pelicans78]

That was amazing. Love his poise. Just like Brady and not Peyton.

[Bruce Wayne]

Who has less talent around them? Luck or Griffin?

[chequevera's Burrito]

hi Bruce

[Pelicans78]

hi Bruce

That burrito looks really good!!

[TIMMYtoZO]

That was amazing. Luck has a shot, but I see it going to Peyton or Aaron Rodgers.

[benefactor]

Yes he is. Fuck the Colts for having him.

[Clipper Nation]

Fuck that, JJ Watt should be MVP.... I'm tired of the MVP becoming the Most Slurped Quarterback of the Year Award....

[Creepn]

All this ejaculation over a game where Luck struggled to beat a shitty team he supposed to beat.

Bad ass comeback and win though.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Fuck that, JJ Watt should be MVP.... I'm tired of the MVP becoming the Most Slurped Quarterback of the Year Award....

Christ, you're stupid. Take Luck off the Colts and give them JJ Watt. Theyd be 1-11

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

All this ejaculation over a game where Luck struggled to beat a shitty team he supposed to beat.

Bad ass comeback and win though.
A team he's supposed to beat? Detroit was at home and favored by 5 in that game...

[djohn2oo8]

Christ, you're stupid. Take Luck off the Colts and give them JJ Watt. Theyd be 1-11

The Colts mailed it in last year. All those years of playoff runs, you'd have a longer rebuild period if they were that bad. It was strategic and brilliant.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So Luck is on a team full of quitters who mail it in when things aren't going well and has led them to an 8-4 record?

[Clipper Nation]

Christ, you're stupid. Take Luck off the Colts and give them JJ Watt. Theyd be 1-11
JJ Watt is a dominant defensive player in an offense-biased era....

[djohn2oo8]

So Luck is on a team full of quitters who mail it in when things aren't going well and has led them to an 8-4 record?

The Colts weren't stupid. Irsay decided to mail it in for a year to get the young face of the franchise instead of paying an "injured" Peyton. Yeah Luck is a once in a lifetime player, it's not like they have zero talent. Reggie Wayne is a big reason Luck has progressed as nicely as he has, and the team had talent.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Luck had some extremely shitty throws today, but to be able to hang in there and score back to back with only 3 minutes remaining is impressive.

He turns the ball over a lot, but the dude has proven to be clutch in the 4th quarter.

[J.T.]

The #ChuckStrong Colts are one of the most improbable NFL teams I've ever seen. They are not a great football team. Luck's talent level as a rookie is absurd. Give this team two more drafts and they should be done building the monster. This was better than the Green Bay game.

[Avante]

Might want to compare Luck's stats to those of Russell Wilson.

Beating the Bears on the road in OT is far bigger than beating a weak Lions team on the road.

[monosylab1k]

I think Luck is great too, but let's not play stupid and pretend the Colts weren't tanking all last year. That was a team with above average talent. A quarterback can make all the difference at that point. Even if they were quitters last season and losing on purpose, that doesn't mean they'll forever be that way. It was a smart move by the entire organization.

[monosylab1k]

:lmao Charlie Batch.

[Pelicans78]

Might want to compare Luck's stats to those of Russell Wilson.

Beating the Bears on the road in OT is far bigger than beating a weak Lions team on the road.

Seattle has a much better running game and defense. Wilson does most of his damage on play-action, bootlegs, and rolling out. He was struggling big time from the pocket today. Unless he develops a Brees like accuracy, he won't be anything more than a solid QB due to his height.

[Pelicans78]

The Colts have a terrible defense. They have some playmakers on offense, but their line isn't that great and not a real good running game either.

[djohn2oo8]

Christ, you're stupid. Take Luck off the Colts and give them JJ Watt. Theyd be 1-11

Also on a separate note. Watt is doing something never seen by a DLman before. He deserves some MVP consideration.

[Creepn]

Also on a separate note. Watt is doing something never seen by a DLman before. He deserves some MVP consideration.

Mos def.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

The #ChuckStrong Colts are one of the most improbable NFL teams I've ever seen. They are not a great football team. Luck's talent level as a rookie is absurd. Give this team two more drafts and they should be done building the monster. This was better than the Green Bay game.

Don't forget the 44 million in cap space they have this offseason as well.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Might want to compare Luck's stats to those of Russell Wilson.

Beating the Bears on the road in OT is far bigger than beating a weak Lions team on the road.


Tbh the Lions arent as shitty as their record suggests. Thier schedule has been pretty brutal thus far and they have been competitive in pretty mich evert game.

[dirk4mvp]

Also on a separate note. Watt is doing something never seen by a DLman before. He deserves some MVP consideration.

Luck is doing things a rookie QB has never done. What's your point?

[Pelicans78]

Funny how Avante criticizes the Lions as a bad team yet Seattle and Russell Wilson went up there and lost :lol

[dirk4mvp]

Funny how Avante criticizes the Lions as a bad team yet Seattle and Russell Wilson went up there and lost :lol

Wasted keystroked here tbh. Avante's already repeated his talking point about Luck's unimpressive game/Wilson's impressive game a couple times. I think he's done posting for the evening.

[djohn2oo8]

Luck is doing things a rookie QB has never done. What's your point?

Acting like Luck is the sole reason Indy has 8 wins is retarded. So is acting like Watt wouldn't have an impact on the Colts. It implies Luck is the only reason for their success. That's what I was pointing out to DD.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How were the Colts last year without Luck?

[Creepn]

How were the Colts last year without Luck?

They were very successful tanking the season without him.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

They were very successful tanking the season without him.

So without Luck they're a team of quitters. Got it.

Great cop out answer.

[dirk4mvp]

:lol no player is the sole reason their team wins games. The closest player to reach that status was Indy's previous franchise QB (the 09 MNF game against Miami is a good example)

Do you think the Colts are 8-4 or better with JJ Watt (who I think is a very good player and probably a draw so far with Von Miller for DPOY) instead of Luck?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Do you think the Colts are 8-4 or better with JJ Watt (who I think is a very good player and probably a draw so far with Von Miller for DPOY) instead of Luck?
Whatever Texanfan has to say to this, I'm sure it won't be a direct answer.

[symple19]

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[JoeTait75]

Might want to compare Luck's stats to those of Russell Wilson.

Beating the Bears on the road in OT is far bigger than beating a weak Lions team on the road.

If the Colts offered to trade Luck for Wilson straight up, how long do you think Seattle would take to accept? One minute or two?

[dirk4mvp]

The deal would be done before one of their freaknig defensive players could pop another adderall.

[Creepn]

So without Luck they're a team of quitters. Got it.

Great cop out answer.

Lol why is it hard to believe teams tanks? Especially when it's so obvious.

In 2010, they were kicking ass, first in their divison, and made the playoffs. Now in 2011, with a pretty similar roster from 2010, with basically the same core of backs and WRs all of the sudden go 2 and 14??? Lost what? 13 in a row? Even losing to the crappy Jaguars? Lmao get the fuck outta here with that and take your white tinted glasses with you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Lol why is it hard to believe teams tanks? Especially when it's so obvious.

In 2010, they were kicking ass, first in their divison, and made the playoffs. Now in 2011, with a pretty similar roster from 2010, with basically the same core of backs and WRs all of the sudden go 2 and 14???
:lmao:lmao:lmao yeah you're right, it's a total fuckin mystery how they went from 10-6 to 2-14. It's not like they had a franchise QB in 2010 who didn't play a single game in 2011 because of a neck injury or anything.

:lmao:lmao:lmao "pretty similar roster" (except for the QB the entire fuckin roster was built around)

[Creepn]

:lmao:lmao:lmao yeah you're right, it's a total fuckin mystery how they went from 10-6 to 2-14. It's not like they had a franchise QB in 2010 who didn't play a single game in 2011 because of a neck injury or anything.

:lmao:lmao:lmao "pretty similar roster" (except for the QB the entire fuckin roster was built around)

That's EXACTLY how they want you to think. Perfect timing to tank the season. I refuse to believe that the Colt's roster is so horrible and unable to adjust without Manning. No fucking way.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That's EXACTLY how they want you to think. Perfect timing to tank the season. I refuse to believe that the Colt's roster is so horrible and unable to adjust without Manning. No fucking way.

That's it, the drop off from the 2010 to 2011 Colts is one big Aryan Brotherhood conspiracy!!! They want you to believe propoganda that losing one of the top 3 QBs of all time can cause a huge drop off in how a team plays.

It's not like the Dolphins saw a huge drop off after losing Marino.

It's not liek the Cowboys saw a huge drop off when they lost Aikman.

It's not like the broncos saw a huge drop off when they lost Elway.

The Colts seeing a huge drop off without Manning is just a neo-Nazi conspiracy to prop up Andrew Luck! They're trying to INDOCTRINATE you with the white supremacist agenda by making you think losing a franchise QB makes a team play a lot worse!

[dirk4mvp]

:lol Luck diving in to snatch the ROTY right off top of Bob Griffin's nappy ass braids has creepn ready to go full gorilla rampage mode.

[Creepn]

That's it, the drop off from the 2010 to 2011 Colts is one big Aryan Brotherhood conspiracy!!! They want you to believe propoganda that losing one of the top 3 QBs of all time can cause a huge drop off in how a team plays.

It's not like the Dolphins saw a huge drop off after losing Marino.

It's not liek the Cowboys saw a huge drop off when they lost Aikman.

It's not like the broncos saw a huge drop off when they lost Elway.

The Colts seeing a huge drop off without Manning is just a neo-Nazi conspiracy to prop up Andrew Luck! They're trying to INDOCTRINATE you with the white supremacist agenda by making you think losing a franchise QB makes a team play a lot worse!

Nope, the drops without those quarterbacks you mentioned were nowhere near as atrocious as the 2010 Colts. Shit, Miami placed first after Marino left.

If Peyton was so crucial to the Colts like that, then why cut him? They were worried about Peyton's neck boo boo?

[Creepn]

:lol Luck diving in to snatch the ROTY right off top of Bob Griffin's nappy ass braids has creepn ready to go full gorilla rampage mode.

ROTY is for RG3 to lose. Luck won't be snatching shit. It would be handed to him if it goes that way.

[Avante]

As of right now it's...

RGIII
Russell Wilson
Andrew Luck

...not even debatable. Luck is the 29 rated QB.




29
A. Luck (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/25711/andrew-luck)(Ind (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/11/indianapolis-colts))
255
449
56.8
3,205
7.1
291.4
13
13
26
76.7


30
M. Sanchez (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/9269/mark-sanchez)(NYJ (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/20/new-york-jets))
194
350
55.4
2,339
6.7
212.6
12
10
26
75.6


31
R. Tannehill (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/25718/ryan-tannehill)(Mia (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/15/miami-dolphins))
197
334
59.0
2,373
7.1
215.7
7
12
20
72.9


32
B. Weeden (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/25732/brandon-weeden)(Cle (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/5/cleveland-browns))
222
397
55.9
2,456
6.2
223.3
12
13
20
70.9


33
M. Cassel (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/7406/matt-cassel)(KC (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/12/kansas-city-chiefs))
161
277
58.1
1,796
6.5
199.6
6
12
19
66.7


34
J. Skelton (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/24131/john-skelton)(Ari (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/22/arizona-cardinals))
98
179
54.7
1,058
5.9
176.3
2
5
14
64.4

[gaKNOW!blee]

Jesus dude stop quoting those stats...that was before today.

[Avante]

Jesus dude stop quoting those stats...that was before today.


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Totally current, he's not having the kind of season people think he is.

RGIII and Russell Wilson really are having the better season.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nope, the drops without those quarterbacks you mentioned were nowhere near as atrocious as the 2010 Colts. Shit, Miami placed first after Marino left.
None of those QBs had a supporting cast as shitty as Peyton had, and none of those QBs were replaced by QBs as bad as the trio of Collins/Orlovsky/Painter. You're also revising history by calling the 2010 Colts a good team. They wouldn't have made the playoffs had they not been in a shit division and tey needed Peyton to do everything. It was pretty much a consensus among non-retarded people Peyton's supporting cast in 2010 was horrible and without Peyton would have been in a competition for worst team in the NFL. 2010 was the first time since 2002 that Peyton couldn't lead the Colts to 12 or more wins. It was obvious to people who remember how weak the 2010 team was.


If Peyton was so crucial to the Colts like that, then why cut him? They were worried about Peyton's neck boo boo?
Because his supporting cast was so shitty they knew it would be better to rebuild and yes, you can call it a neck boo boo since you think that label changes something, but they didn't wanna pay him the gigantic bonus he had coming given that he was dealing with a career threatening neck injury.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

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Totally current, he's not having the kind of season people think he is.

RGIII and Russell Wilson really are having the better season.
No, it's not totally current you inbred mongoloid.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/14874/andrew-luck

They haven't adjusted the totals to reflect today's game. Add up the touchdowns from each game. He had 13 touchdowns entering today and now has 17 total. For such a betting expert you struggle with basic arithmetic.

[gaKNOW!blee]

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Totally current, he's not having the kind of season people think he is.

RGIII and Russell Wilson really are having the better season.

Luck has more yards, total td and wins than Wilson (who you can subtract 1 td, 1 win and and add an int)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

29

A. Luck (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/25711/andrew-luck)(Ind (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/11/indianapolis-colts))

255

449

56.8

3,205

7.1

291.4

13

13

26

76.7



30

M. Sanchez (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/9269/mark-sanchez)(NYJ (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/20/new-york-jets))

194

350

55.4

2,339

6.7

212.6

12

10

26

75.6



31

R. Tannehill (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/25718/ryan-tannehill)(Mia (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/15/miami-dolphins))

197

334

59.0

2,373

7.1

215.7

7

12

20

72.9



32

B. Weeden (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/25732/brandon-weeden)(Cle (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/5/cleveland-browns))

222

397

55.9

2,456

6.2

223.3

12

13

20

70.9



33

M. Cassel (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/7406/matt-cassel)(KC (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/12/kansas-city-chiefs))

161

277

58.1

1,796

6.5

199.6

6

12

19

66.7



34

J. Skelton (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/player/24131/john-skelton)(Ari (http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/team/22/arizona-cardinals))

98

179

54.7

1,058

5.9

176.3

2

5

14

64.4





I'm quoting this now as what Avante said was totally current as of this week so he doesn't go back and try to move the goal posts. Andrew Luck had 13 touchdowns entering this week and now has 17 total. These stats are not totally current.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Luck has more yards, total td and wins than Wilson (who you can subtract 1 td, 1 win and and add an int)

Using QB rating as the best gauge for this comparison is as intellectually dishonest it gets and they know it. It's not even worth achknowledging as a legitimate argument.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Last updated on Sunday, Dec 2, 2012 6:06 am EST

Totally current, he's not having the kind of season people think he is.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I didn't even realize this nugget of temporal lobe damage. Stats that were last updated Sunday morning at 6:06 AM are totally current? Really? They reflect the games played hours after the last update you retarded fuck :lmao:lmao

So in addition to sucking at basic arithmetic, Avante's senial ass can't even tell time :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Tbh, just checking stats, RG3 has the better case.

Rookie QB A:

16 TDs, 4 INTs, 67.4 comp, 2400 yards passing, 650 yards rushing, 6 rush TDs

Rookie QB B:

17 TDs, 16 INTs, <55.0 comp, 3600 yards passing, 200 yards rushing, 5 rush TDs


No way does rookie B win the RotY. I don't care about the team he has, QB A's stats are just better across the board except for yards.

[Avante]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I didn't even realize this nugget of temporal lobe damage. Stats that were last updated Sunday morning at 6:06 AM are totally current? Really? They reflect the games played hours after the last update you retarded fuck :lmao:lmao

So in addition to sucking at basic arithmetic, Avante's senial ass can't even tell time :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

I deserve that just went with the date, why upgrade last week today?

Anyway...

Bottom line is that both RGIII and Wilson have out played Luck so far. Not even debatable.

[Avante]

Using QB rating as the best gauge for this comparison is as intellectually dishonest it gets and they know it. It's not even worth achknowledging as a legitimate argument.

I have no doubts at all that if Luck had the better rating they've be very important.

Luck isn't doing anything superior to RGIII and Wilson despite the fact he has Reggie Wayne.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

except for yards.

and wins

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I have no doubts at all that if Luck had the better rating they've be very important.

Using passer rating to compare a QB in a run first offense where a lot of his throws are dump offs and off play action to a QB who has to attempt 40+ passes a game w/ no running game/play action/dump offs to utilize is intellectually dishonest regardless of whether or not it helps or hurts your argument.

I guess Alex Smith is better than Drew Brees since his passer rating is so much higher.

[Avante]

and wins


So Luck is better than Drew Brees?

[LnGrrrR]

And to be honest, it's not like RG3 is starting on a team full of world beaters. They were 5-11 last year, and their WRs were Pats castoffs and Santana Moss.

Of course, if Washington doesn't hit at least .500, that will make his case a lot tougher.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So Luck is better than Drew Brees?

Sorry, I beat you to that argument.

[LnGrrrR]

and wins

True, but I think that "stats" win out over "wins". Both rely on the team, but one a lot more than the other. (For instance, Bradford got a win today, and he was responsible for 3 points in 75 mins of play...)

[Avante]

Using passer rating to compare a QB in a run first offense where a lot of his throws are dump offs and off play action to a QB who has to attempt 40+ passes a game w/ no running game/play action/dump offs to utilize is intellectually dishonest regardless of whether or not it helps or hurts your argument.

I guess Alex Smith is better than Drew Brees since his passer rating is so much higher.

Luck does have Reggie Wayne. Both Wilsion and RGIII have done more than Luck so far. You can play..."but ya see.."..,.all you want, the facts are Luck has the inferior stats. We don't know what would happen if these guys were on each others teams. All we know is what the numbers tell us.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And to be honest, it's not like RG3 is starting on a team full of world beaters. They were 5-11 last year, and their WRs were Pats castoffs and Santana Moss.

Of course, if Washington doesn't hit at least .500, that will make his case a lot tougher.

RGIII is on a team with a great run blocking O-line and a great running back in Morris. Meanwhile, Luck is on a team with a shit offensive line and a non-existent running game. Do you really need someone to explain to you why being on a great rushing team leads to a better passer rating?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

True, but I think that "stats" win out over "wins".

Yeah, in a world of stupid spear chucking n!ggers where style is more important than substance, stats are more important than wins. That's why Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders think Cam Newton is a future HOFer. It's not like football is a team sport where you try to help your team win.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Luck does have Reggie Wayne. Both Wilsion and RGIII have done more than Luck so far. You can play..."but ya see.."..,.all you want, the facts are Luck has the inferior stats. We don't know what would happen if these guys were on each others teams. All we know is what the numbers tell us.

lol contradictory arguments. "We don't know what would happen if Luck's team had some semblance of a running game, but I'm going to point out all the advantages Luck has!"

[dirk4mvp]

Yeah, in a world of stupid spear chucking n!ggers where style is more important than substance, stats are more important than wins. That's why Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders think Cam Newton is a future HOFer. It's not like football is a team sport where you try to help your team win.

Does Irvin and Sanders ever gush over the season Josh Freeman is having? Can't believe they don't prop up the best black QB in the league by far this year.

[LnGrrrR]

RGIII is on a team with a great run blocking O-line and a great running back in Morris. Meanwhile, Luck is on a team with a shit offensive line and a non-existent running game. Do you really need someone to explain to you why being on a great rushing team leads to a better passer rating?

Do you really think RotY voters will take that strongly into consideration? Lucks best chance is making it to the playoffs and hoping RG3 flames out the last few games.

[dirk4mvp]

Do you really think RotY voters will take that strongly into consideration?

Nope. The media is foaming at the mouth for a marketable black QB who is actually worth a shit tho.

[Avante]

lol contradictory arguments. "We don't know what would happen if Luck's team had some semblance of a running game, but I'm going to point out all the advantages Luck has!"

So now we need that running game, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Do you really think RotY voters will take that strongly into consideration? Lucks best chance is making it to the playoffs and hoping RG3 flames out the last few games.

No, because ROY voters are in the group of NFL/media members desparate for a successful black QB (and no, this isn't a trolling shtick. The one thing I've ever agreed with Rush Limbaugh on is the NFL's pathetic agenda to have a successful black QB in the NFL). It's why Scam Newton led his team to a 6-10 record then was annointed a franchise QB and MVP candidate entering this year. Or why Mike Vick tortured and mutilated 60+ dogs in a hainus act of violence only to be forgiven by the media and NFL shortly after. Or why RGIII's team is below .500 and he's being annointed a winning franchise QB.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Nope. The media is foaming at the mouth for a marketable black QB who is actually worth a shit tho.

This.

[LnGrrrR]

No, because ROY voters are in the group of NFL/media members desparate for a successful black QB (and no, this isn't a trolling shtick. The one thing I've ever agreed with Rush Limbaugh on is the NFL's pathetic agenda to have a successful black QB in the NFL). It's why Scam Newton led his team to a 6-10 record then was annointed a franchise QB and MVP candidate entering this year. Or why Mike Vick tortured and mutilated 60+ dogs in a hainus act of violence only to be forgiven by the media and NFL shortly after. Or why RGIII's team is below .500 and he's being annointed a winning franchise QB.

I think even if RG3 were white, his stats would still draw him plenty of support. I guess they have four more games to sort it out...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So now we need that running game, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If your goal is to win games, then no, you don't. Luck has managed to get his team to 8-4 without a running game while RGIII's running game has some flashy moments but a shitty record. If inflating the QB's passer rating is the objective, then yeah, you should utilize dump offs and play action through a good running game as much as possible. If winning games is the objective, then being able to run the ball doesn't matter and being able to make pocket passes when the other team is expecting the pass is important (as demonstrated by Luck).

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I think even if RG3 were white, his stats would still draw him plenty of support.

If RG3 were white he'd care less about substanceless moon cricket bullshit like sexy stats and care more about helping his team win.

[Avante]

No, because ROY voters are in the group of NFL/media members desparate for a successful black QB (and no, this isn't a trolling shtick. The one thing I've ever agreed with Rush Limbaugh on is the NFL's pathetic agenda to have a successful black QB in the NFL). It's why Scam Newton led his team to a 6-10 record then was annointed a franchise QB and MVP candidate entering this year. Or why Mike Vick tortured and mutilated 60+ dogs in a hainus act of violence only to be forgiven by the media and NFL shortly after. Or why RGIII's team is below .500 and he's being annointed a winning franchise QB.

Wrong as usual.

First of Vick didn't torture dogs, where'd you get that bullshit? He was raised in a culture where dog fighting was no big deal, it was like cock fighting.

Cam Newton had one of the best rookie seasons ever, far better than what Luck is having. He should have been talked about like he was. RGIII doesn't have the team around him and we all know it, he's also having a better season than Luck.

What it is is that for some reason you don't like black people, which tells me you are a redneck okie totally out of touch with today. We've already had great black QB's it's nothing new.

[Avante]

If your goal is to win games, then no, you don't. Luck has managed to get his team to 8-4 without a running game while RGIII's running game has some flashy moments but a shitty record. If inflating the QB's passer rating is the objective, then yeah, you should utilize dump offs and play action through a good running game as much as possible. If winning games is the objective, then being able to run the ball doesn't matter and being able to make pocket passes when the other team is expecting the pass is important (as demonstrated by Luck).

Oh hell no nothing beata third and long, having your D right back out there because you couldn't sustainn a drive. Screw running out the clock, protecting a lead, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! You are football stupid! You need a running game only an idiot would think you didn't. Don't watch much football do you?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

First of Vick didn't torture dogs.
The indictment report you dumbshit. And the fact he was raised in a n!gger culture that said making helpless animals fight to the death is OK isn't a valid excuse. Dog fighting and cock fighting are not remotely comparable, and cock fighting itself is barbaric.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick


He admitted to sharing in the proceeds from these dog fights. He further admitted that he knew his colleagues killed several dogs who did not perform well. He admitted to being involved in the destruction of 6–8 dogs, by hanging or drowning.

Mike Vick himself admitted to hanging and drowning dogs.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Oh hell no nothing beata third and long, having your D right back out there because you couldn't sustainn a drive. Screw running out the clock, protecting a lead, hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! You are football stupid! You need a running game only an idiot would think you didn't. Don't watch much football do you?

Somehow Luck's team has a better record even though it doesn't have a running game to protect the lead.

You haven't watched recent superbowls, have you?

[Avante]

The indictment report you dumbshit. And the fact he was raised in a n!gger culture that said making helpless animals fight to the death is OK isn't a valid excuse. Dog fighting and cock fighting are not remotely comparable, and cock fighting itself is barbaric.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick



Mike Vick himself admitted to hanging and drowning dogs.

I hate to break it to ya like this slick but white folks also fight dogs. Obviously you don't know what the word torture means. I'll help ya out, it's not about killing it's about prolonging pain.

I'm betting dog fighting was started by whites over in Europe.

Why this hatred for black people, you seem obsessed with it, what gives?

Here ya go amigo...

Dog fighting is a blood sport that can be traced back to ancient times.[1] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-1) Blood sports (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Blood_sport) involving the baiting of animals has occurred since antiquity for example at the Colosseum (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Colosseum) in Rome (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Rome,_Italy) during the reign of the Roman Empire (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Roman_Empire). It possibly reached the peak of its popularity during the 16th century. The various animal types involved in the bait allowed for the breed specialization and basic anatomical forms of fighting dogs, which we see today.
Accounts of dog fighting in China date back to 240 A.D.[citation needed (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]. Dog fighting has been documented in the recorded history (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Recorded_history) of many different cultures (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Culture), and is presumed to have existed since the initial domestication of the species.[citation needed (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)] Many breeds have been bred specifically for the strength, attitude, and physical features that would make them better fighting dogs.
Scholars[who? (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words)] speculate that large-scale human migration, development of trade, and gifts between royal courts of valuable fighting dogs facilitated the spread of fighting dog breeds. There are many accounts of military campaigns which used fighting dogs, as well as royal gifts in the form of large dogs.[citation needed (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]

[Avante]

Somehow Luck's team has a better record even though it doesn't have a running game to protect the lead.

You haven't watched recent superbowls, have you?

I've never missed a SB. I can't believe you actually watch football and know nothing.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I hate to break it to ya like this slick but white folks also fight dogs. Obviously you don't know what the word torture means. I'll help ya out, it's not about killing it's about prolonging pain.

I'm betting dog fighting was started by whites over in Europe.

Why this hatred for black people, you seem obsessed with it, what gives?
:lmao hanging and drowning dogs doesn't prolong pain? I wasn't aware they were methods used by vets to Euthanize dogs so the dog feels as little pain as possible. You're one fucked up person being ok with the hanging and drowning of helpless animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_torture

Physical torture methods



Abacination (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Abacination)
Beatings (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Strike_(attack)) and physical violence (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Physical_abuse)
Blinding (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Blindness) with light
Boiling (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Boiling_to_death)
Bone breaking (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Bone_fracture)
Branding (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Human_branding)
Castration (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Castration)
Chelsea grin (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Chelsea_grin)
Chinese water torture (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Chinese_water_torture)
Choking (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Choking)/Strangling (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Strangling)
Crushing (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Crushing_(execution))
Cutting (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Cutting)
Denailing (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Denailing)
Disfigurement (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Disfigurement)
Drowning (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Drowning)
Dunking (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Dunking)
Flagellation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Flagellation)
Flaying (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Flaying)
Foot roasting (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Foot_roasting)
Foot whipping (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Foot_whipping)
Force-feeding (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Force-feeding)
Garrotting (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Garrote)
Genital mutilation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Genital_mutilation_(disambiguation))/forced circumcision (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Forced_circumcision)
Hamstringing (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Hamstringing)




Kneecapping (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Kneecapping)
Keelhauling (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Keelhauling)
Mutilation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Mutilation)
Oxygen deprivation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Oxygen_deprivation)
Picquet (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Picquet)
Pitchcapping (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Pitchcapping)
Pressure points (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Pressure_points)
Rat torture (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Rat_torture)
Riding the Rail (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Riding_the_Rail)
Sexual assault (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sexual_assault)
Sawing (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sawing_(torture))
Scalping (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Scalping)
Scaphism (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Scaphism)
Sleep deprivation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sleep_deprivation)
Sound (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sound) (extremely high volumes (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Amplifier), dynamic range (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Dynamic_range), low frequency (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Frequency), high pitched noise, intended to interfere with rest, cognition (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Cognition) and concentration (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Concentration)).
Starvation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Starvation)
Strappado (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Strappado)/squassation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Squassation) (also known as "reverse hanging" and "Palestinian hanging")
Stress positions (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Stress_positions)
Ta'liq (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Ta%27liq_(torture)) hanging from a metal bar.
Tarring and feathering (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Tarring_and_feathering)
Thumbscrew (torture) (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Thumbscrew_(torture))
Tickle torture (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Tickle_torture)
Tooth extraction (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Extraction_(dental))
Water cure (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Water_Cure_(torture))
Waterboarding (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Waterboarding)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x578837


“In or about March of 2003, PEACE, after consulting with VICK about the losing female pit bull's condition, executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal.”


If you don't think electrocuting a dog is as fucked up and deranged as it gets, you're pretty fucked up and deranged yourself.

[Avante]

:lmao hanging and drowning dogs doesn't prolong pain? I wasn't aware they were methods used by vets to Euthanize dogs so the dog feels as little pain as possible. You're one fucked up person being ok with the hanging and drowning of helpless animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_methods_of_torture

Physical torture methods




Abacination (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Abacination)
Beatings (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Strike_(attack)) and physical violence (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Physical_abuse)
Blinding (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Blindness) with light
Boiling (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Boiling_to_death)
Bone breaking (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Bone_fracture)
Branding (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Human_branding)
Castration (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Castration)
Chelsea grin (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Chelsea_grin)
Chinese water torture (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Chinese_water_torture)
Choking (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Choking)/Strangling (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Strangling)
Crushing (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Crushing_(execution))
Cutting (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Cutting)
Denailing (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Denailing)
Disfigurement (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Disfigurement)
Drowning (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Drowning)
Dunking (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Dunking)
Flagellation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Flagellation)
Flaying (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Flaying)
Foot roasting (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Foot_roasting)
Foot whipping (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Foot_whipping)
Force-feeding (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Force-feeding)
Garrotting (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Garrote)
Genital mutilation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Genital_mutilation_(disambiguation))/forced circumcision (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Forced_circumcision)
Hamstringing (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Hamstringing)





Kneecapping (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Kneecapping)
Keelhauling (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Keelhauling)
Mutilation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Mutilation)
Oxygen deprivation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Oxygen_deprivation)
Picquet (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Picquet)
Pitchcapping (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Pitchcapping)
Pressure points (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Pressure_points)
Rat torture (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Rat_torture)
Riding the Rail (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Riding_the_Rail)
Sexual assault (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sexual_assault)
Sawing (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sawing_(torture))
Scalping (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Scalping)
Scaphism (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Scaphism)
Sleep deprivation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sleep_deprivation)
Sound (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Sound) (extremely high volumes (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Amplifier), dynamic range (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Dynamic_range), low frequency (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Frequency), high pitched noise, intended to interfere with rest, cognition (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Cognition) and concentration (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Concentration)).
Starvation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Starvation)
Strappado (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Strappado)/squassation (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Squassation) (also known as "reverse hanging" and "Palestinian hanging")
Stress positions (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Stress_positions)
Ta'liq (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Ta%27liq_(torture)) hanging from a metal bar.
Tarring and feathering (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Tarring_and_feathering)
Thumbscrew (torture) (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Thumbscrew_(torture))
Tickle torture (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Tickle_torture)
Tooth extraction (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Extraction_(dental))
Water cure (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Water_Cure_(torture))
Waterboarding (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Waterboarding)






Dude, I'd kill any mutherfucker who hurt an animal, cut their fucking head right off. So once again totally wrong.

Torture is about taking your time so you can inflict as much pain as you can, I seriously doubt that was done. OPnce again talking out of your ass.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Dude, I'd kill any mutherfucker who hurt an animal.

Yet you sympathize with Mike fucking Vick :lmao

[Avante]

Yet you sympathize with Mike fucking Vick :lmao

No I don't, I don't like the prick at all and yes would kick his fucking ass if he were around me. I disown a cousin who fights cocks.

I do however seperate the man from the athlete when talking football.

[Clipper Nation]

ROTY is for RG3 to lose. Luck won't be snatching shit. It would be handed to him if it goes that way.

Tbh, neither of them deserve it.... Doug "Muscle Hamster" Martin, motherfuckers!

[Clipper Nation]

I disown a cousin who fights cocks.

So, let me get this straight... your cousin fights cocks, and you suck them....

[Avante]

So, let me get this straight... your cousin fights cocks, and you suck them....

I'll go slow....

Apparently there is a big old world out there you know nothing about. I'm guessing your parents pampered you as a child. You don't seem to know anything about anything. I'll do what I can to help ya little guy. When we say...cock fighting...we are talking about roosters not actually cocks. I know, I know, news to you. I'm here for ya slick.

Oh yeah...

Alfred Morris is right there with Martin in the rookie running competition. He plays for the Redskins, a real big game tonight would help.

I've decided to take you under my wing amigo, nobody should be that stupid.

[Malik Hairston]

Avante, you said that Vick didn't torture dogs, just a few posts ago..you were defending him, clearly..

Just a few posts later, you're claiming that you hate Vick..pick a lane, tbh..I guess you're too focused on daydreaming of Lorenzo Neal's body, tbh..

[Avante]

Avante, you said that Vick didn't torture dogs, just a few posts ago..you were defending him, clearly..

Just a few posts later, you're claiming that you hate Vick..pick a lane, tbh..I guess you're too focused on daydreaming of Lorenzo Neal's body, tbh..

I would never defend that fucker, I just know the difference between torture and murder. Two different things.

Obviously that deal with Neal also flew over you head.

Some years ago there was a kid out of Hanford a city about 10 miles east of Lemoore whrere Neal is from. the kids name was Ken Thomas (his older brother Jewerl was a back for the Rams) Thomas was one of the fastest kids in the state at 5'9 215 pounds. At SJS he lead the nation in INT's as a db, the cat was thick and wide, yet on any chart he'd be overweight, just like Lorenzo Neal would be. Thomas was drafted by the Chiefs, a knee injury did him in. Chiefs used him at running back.

To assume somebody is fat because of numbers on a chart, nay. According to the charts he shouldn't weight over 180 pounds.

Kenneth Ray Thomas
Position: RB
Height: 5-9 Weight: 211 lbs. Born: February 11 (http://www.spurstalk.com/friv/birthdays.cgi?month=2&day=11), 1960 in Hanford, CA (http://www.spurstalk.com/friv/birthplaces.cgi?country=USA&state=CA)
Died: November 13 (http://www.spurstalk.com/friv/deathdays.cgi?month=11&day=13), 2002 in Independence, MO (http://www.spurstalk.com/friv/deathplaces.cgi?country=&state=MO) (Aged 42)
College: San Jose St. (http://www.spurstalk.com/colleges/sanjosest/) (school history (http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/san-jose-state/))
Drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.spurstalk.com/teams/kan/1983_draft.htm) in the 7th round (173rd overall) of the 1983 NFL Draft (http://www.spurstalk.com/years/1983/draft.htm).

[Pelicans78]

So Luck is better than Drew Brees?

Saints defense has been worse than the Colts and Brees single handedly lost the last two games for the Saints.

[J.T.]

Some of Andrew Luck's traditional stats are below his other rookie peers. But his team, previously the worst in the NFL, is winning way more games than it should. The people with RG3's dick firmly lodged in their tracheas will tell you the Colts just sand bagged last season because they knew Luck was going to be this good. I'll counter that by saying that everyone knew Luck was NFL ready, but a 8-10 game winner on the worst overall team coming into his first season? No, none of us, even me, Mr. "Colts Might Win The Super Bowl" Thread in preseason, had this on our radar.

Here's how Luck stacks up on 3rd downs this season:

Passing 3rd Downs 63-147 (43%) | 7th overall among starting QBs
Adjusted 3rd Downs (Run & Pass) 77-164 (47%) | 5th overall
Long Passing 3rd Downs (3rd and 8+) 31-73 (42.5%) | 2nd overall
Adjusted Long 3rd Downs 35-78 (45%) | 1st overall

By comparison, RG3 (34%/#25, 37%/#19, 10%/#38, 17%/#37) is pretty terrible on 3rd down and while Wilson is a little better (40%/#15, 42%/#11, 29%/#15, 26%/#22), neither have been as consistent at Luck at staying on the field on 3rd down. RG3 has FIVE long 3rd down conversions on the season. Five. That's terrible, and he's supposedly running his college offense on a team that has bent over backwards to run the show his way, whilst Luck is in his first season playing in an offense that goes heavy on the vertical downfield game. Luck is 2nd to Roethlisberger on long third downs, and while both guys are big and can extend the play with their legs, let's roll the clock back and look at Ben's rookie stats on 3rd and Long - 9 for 51 (18%).

In the past 10 years, Peyton Manning is the undisputed king of 3rd and Long. Manning's worst season, 2010 (36%) would still be good for 3rd overall (behind Andrew Luck) this year. It's insane that a rookie is doing this. Adjust the stats again for rushing and passing on long 3rd downs? Andrew Luck is your No. 1 overall quarterback at converting 3rd and Long in the NFL. Your boy RG3? 37 out of 38 properly sandwiched between John Skelton and Blaine Gabbert. The magic of Andrew Luck does not show up on the traditional stat sheet. The dude has some trouble taking care of the ball, but is also in an offense that might ask him to attempt 60 passes in a game. The Colts are a broken team and collectively should not be in the playoff tournament. The offensive line is incredibly inconsistent and the defense needs about 7 new regular starters. Maybe eight. What Luck is doing with this Colts team is incredibly special, but let's all continue looking at his TD:INT ratio as the only meaningful stat in the Offensive Rookie of the Year discussion. It makes anyone who purports that stat as the dealbreaker on who gets the trophy as a massive tool.

[Lincoln]

Props to luck and the colts for beating the lions, jags, titans, dolphins,browns, and bills. They can easily get to 10 wins if they beat the lowly titans (again) and the lowly chiefs. Maybe even 11 if Houston rests their starters.

[Creepn]

Props to luck and the colts for beating the lions, jags, titans, dolphins,browns, and bills. They can easily get to 10 wins if they beat the lowly titans (again) and the lowly chiefs. Maybe even 11 if Houston rests their starters.

Ooooooooooooh shiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeettttt!! Lmao!

[Clipper Nation]

SHere's how Luck stacks up on 3rd downs this season:

Passing 3rd Downs 63-147 (43%) | 7th overall among starting QBs
Adjusted 3rd Downs (Run & Pass) 77-164 (47%) | 5th overall
Long Passing 3rd Downs (3rd and 8+) 31-73 (42.5%) | 2nd overall
Adjusted Long 3rd Downs 35-78 (45%) | 1st overall

By comparison, RG3 (34%/#25, 37%/#19, 10%/#38, 17%/#37) is pretty terrible on 3rd down and while Wilson is a little better (40%/#15, 42%/#11, 29%/#15, 26%/#22), neither have been as consistent at Luck at staying on the field on 3rd down. RG3 has FIVE long 3rd down conversions on the season. Five.

:lol Basing your whole argument for MVP on third-down stats only

I see you've conveniently left out that RG3 has 47 less third-down passing attempts than Luck... you also forgot to mention that the Colts lead the league in third-down attempts whereas the Redskins are dead last in team third downs.... maybe your boy Luck should try getting it done on first and second down more often... :lol

[Lincoln]

Ooooooooooooh shiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeettttt!! Lmao!

I'm not hating bro I'm giving luck his props

He's turned that 2-14 team around tbh

[Creepn]

It's easy to turn a team around with a core roster that placed first in the division and made the playoffs 2 years ago imo.

[J.T.]

Great argument. The 2012 Colts starting roster features 15 out of 22 players (9 offense, 6 defense) who were not even on the 2010 Colts team.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao:lmao:lmao another n!ggerific argument from Creepn that makes no sense.

[Creepn]

:lmao:lmao:lmao another n!ggerific argument from Creepn that makes no sense.

Lol I'm gonna have to pull an Avante on that one and say my cousin made me type that.

Anyway, I still don't think it's all that impressive that he turned a team around that tanked. I'm sorry. Don't get me wrong. I think he's a great qb, but MVP? Not this year.

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol Basing your whole argument for MVP on third-down stats only

I see you've conveniently left out that RG3 has 47 less third-down passing attempts than Luck... you also forgot to mention that the Colts lead the league in third-down attempts whereas the Redskins are dead last in team third downs.... maybe your boy Luck should try getting it done on first and second down more often... :lol
Maybe if RG3 converted more third downs he wouldn't be 6-6 in the most apathetic division in football.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Maybe if RG3 converted more third downs he wouldn't be 6-6 in the most apathetic division in football.

What do you mean?!?!?!?!?! The NFC East is secretly the best division in football according to n!ggerQBfans.

[Lincoln]

He's looked impressive so far vs the titans

[J.T.]

He's looked impressive so far vs the titans

9-4

[dirk4mvp]

He's looked impressive so far vs the titans

His clutch pass on 3rd down to seal the game so Tenn couldn't get the ball back was awesome.

[Lincoln]

9-4
3rd easiest schedule in the league

only playing 3 teams with winning records all year

[FkLA]

#TeamRG3

[Creepn]

Yippee, he beats the Titans. What a match to test Luck. Oh wait...they did test him. Self sarcasm fail on my part lol.

[DD]

http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000105991/

Adam Schein, one of 50 AP writers/voters for this award (and a senior writer/journalist) agrees with me...and this article was before he led another 4th quarter. Comeback yesterday.

[Avante]

Two other rookie QB's have a 90 plus QB rating, Luck at below 80.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Two other rookie QB's have a 90 plus QB rating, Luck at below 80.

Chad Pennington and Matt Schaub have a career 90+ QB rating, John Elway at below 80