Iran's fabulous new submarine

[RandomGuy]

LOL.... You have to see it to believe it.

http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/DxJTeBya3a5QdF6AytSdBA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/thesideshow/BlueSub1.jpg


I hear they have already recruited and trained the first crew...

http://media.timeout.com/images/resizeBestFit/100227073/660/370/image.jpg

Reviews are definitely in....


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcmm6eYllQ1qbnggp.jpg


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From homegrown "ninjas" (not making that up, they are seriously recruiting martial artists to train their own "ninjas"), to the dinky helicopters, they get into some seriously risible stuff.

[coyotes_geek]

It's just big enough to torpedo an oil tanker.

[101A]

I assume that's the entire crew?

[CosmicCowboy]

It's just big enough to torpedo an oil tanker.

yep

[boutons_deux]

Iran ain't startin shit directly, but their HAMAS/Hisbollah proxies will certainly keep screwing Lebanon, Israel, Syria.

[RandomGuy]

It's just big enough to torpedo an oil tanker.

My thoughts exactly.

Of course if you paint the damn things pretty, bright colors, and they are Iranian "technology" the chances that one would get close enough to get one off, given US ASW capabilities, would be somewhat remote.

Pretty coffin for the crew, though.

[Wild Cobra]

At least it isn't this one:

http://larvalsubjects.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/yellow-submarine-dp.jpg

"We all live in a turquoise submarine"

Wrs5DjHNUOE

[Nbadan]

Have you seen the 'new" (to them anyway) Chinese air craft carrier?

:lol

[Nbadan]

On a side note, a small submarine could slip through our complex detection system and sink a carrier....the Chinese proved this years ago...

[Nbadan]

The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise, leaving military chiefs red-faced

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/submarine_468x323.jpg


American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html#ixzz2E2KygQr6
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[LnGrrrR]

Considering that happened in 2007, I'd like to think that they solved that particular problem...

[Wild Cobra]

Propaganda Dan gives us an article that uses an unmanned source.

Boy oh boy... This has to be real!

Sorry guys, I don't buy it. It would never get that close no matter how quite it is. Our Navy has some real good detection capabilities. Maybe one ship with the people not manning the consoles, but the fleet... No fucking way.

[Latarian Milton]

chinks navy has been underestimated like i said many times. yes they only have one air-craft carrier and it's an antique but their submarines would be a big threat to us, to the whole nation rather than just the carriers i mean, knowing each of the submarines could be carrying nuclear weapons. if you think you could dominate the chinks in the sea then your horribly wrong tbh.

[Latarian Milton]

i'd rather fight the fucks on land rather than in the sea if a war is truly inevitable, their army might look strong with those 99-type tanks which are reported to be as advanced as M1-abrams, not to say they have more than a billion fuckheads to pick up the guns to fight against us, but their airforce is still at WWII level and their troops would be nothing but a sorry fodder under the gunfire of apaches

[TDMVPDPOY]

killing alot of them clowns, ur only doing their party govt a favor...fck them

[LnGrrrR]

Propaganda Dan gives us an article that uses an unmanned source.

Boy oh boy... This has to be real!

Sorry guys, I don't buy it. It would never get that close no matter how quite it is. Our Navy has some real good detection capabilities. Maybe one ship with the people not manning the consoles, but the fleet... No fucking way.

That part was actually real...at the end of this article they reference it:

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/01/kyo_china_080115/

In 2006, a Chinese attack sub stalked the Kitty Hawk without being detected until it surfaced within firing range of the group.
Last November’s incident, however, could have been unintentional as the Shenzhen was also headed to Tokyo for an historic port call there, just as the Kitty Hawk was denied Hong Kong entry.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kitty_Hawk_(CV-63)


In the month of October 2006, Kitty Hawk and her escort warships were undergoing exercises near Okinawa, and a Chinese Song class (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Song_class) submarine shadowed the group then surfaced within 5 mi (8.0 km) of the group on 26 October 2006.[13] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-13) It was considered to be quite rare for Chinese subs to operate that far from their homeports on the mainland, though with this incident that may be changing. Reports claim that the submarine had been undetected until it surfaced.[14] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-14)[15] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-15)[16] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-16) In 2009, Timothy J. Keating (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/Timothy_J._Keating), commander of the United States Pacific Command (http://www.spurstalk.com/wiki/United_States_Pacific_Command), commented on the issue, stating that the carrier was "in a very relaxed posture. If there were some heightened state of tension, we would, believe me, we would not let them get that close."[17] (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/#cite_note-17)

[Wild Cobra]

You know, I simply don't buy it that the submarine wasn't detected. I would suggest you all entertain the notion that they knew it was there, but did nothing to alert the Chinese they knew. Military forces test each others ability often. You never want them to know they succeeded. I'll bet such standing orders are to let the other side think they succeeded in stealth maneuvers, not letting them know you can detect them.

[LnGrrrR]

You know, I simply don't buy it that the submarine wasn't detected. I would suggest you all entertain the notion that they knew it was there, but did nothing to alert the Chinese they knew. Military forces test each others ability often. You never want them to know they succeeded. I'll bet such standing orders are to let the other side think they succeeded in stealth maneuvers, not letting them know you can detect them.

Perhaps, but it probably doesn't look good to have a Chinese submarine pop up alongside your cruisers in the middle of an exercise. It especially doesn't make much sense to let them pop up within firing distance. That naval commander would have to have some big balls to hope the sub wasn't up to no good... if it fired, I'm pretty sure he would've been too.

[101A]

A diesel sub running on just its batteries is damned quiet; a hole in the ocean. Problem is they can only be that quiet until the batteries are drained (relatively limited distance) and they have to fire up the oil burner.

In this case, considering the location of our ships, they didn't have to travel very far in stealth mode - and we weren't looking; if we found ourselves in some kind of hot action with China, I have no doubt we would have tabs on all of their subs; wouldn't allow them to get close enough to our fleet while running engines to cut them and sneak in on electric. IMO.

[Wild Cobra]

Did it really pop up "along side"?

The supporting material I could find only claimed within torpedo range.

[LnGrrrR]

Did it really pop up "along side"?

The supporting material I could find only claimed within torpedo range.

Within torpedo range is certainly closer than I would prefer. I'd rather play it safe and not let them get into range, then try to make them think they were getting away with something.

[ChumpDumper]

I like WC's new shtick.

I propose you entertain the notion of joining my attempt to reject reality.

[Wild Cobra]

Within torpedo range is certainly closer than I would prefer. I'd rather play it safe and not let them get into range, then try to make them think they were getting away with something.
I seriously don't think that anyone considered it a threat. For what reason would the Chinese start a war?

[LnGrrrR]

I seriously don't think that anyone considered it a threat. For what reason would the Chinese start a war?

*shrug* You got me. Like I said, I prefer safe over sorry.

[CosmicCowboy]

Carrier groups won't be wort a shit anyway if its the big one. They are great for these limited engagements but in a full blown WWIII all they would have to do is pop a nuke in the general area while they are at sea and the carrier group is toast. From a strategic standpoint the US probably wouldn't even respond nuclear against a land target for fear of escalating.

[Twisted_Dawg]

You know, I simply don't buy it that the submarine wasn't detected. I would suggest you all entertain the notion that they knew it was there, but did nothing to alert the Chinese they knew. Military forces test each others ability often. You never want them to know they succeeded. I'll bet such standing orders are to let the other side think they succeeded in stealth maneuvers, not letting them know you can detect them.

Or, the Navy (and the US Military) intentionally let this happen so they can go back to Congress and demand $100 billion more to upgrade fleet defenses.

[Wild Cobra]

*shrug* You got me. Like I said, I prefer safe over sorry.
I agree, when it doesn't unnecessarily expose US capabilities that are classified. I will contend they wanted to see the US Navy flinch.

[Wild Cobra]

Or, the Navy (and the US Military) intentionally let this happen so they can go back to Congress and demand $100 billion more to upgrade fleet defenses.
I will say that is plausible, but I don't buy that idea as likely.

[Halberto]

The chinese were just trying to sell some cookies.

[Wild Cobra]

The chinese were just trying to sell some cookies.
Or, they were selling screen doors for submarines.

[mouse]

The limited thinking in this topic is unreal even for ST standards.

[Nbadan]

The limited thinking in this topic is unreal even for ST standards.

I agree, let's not forget that necessity is the mother of invention. The great US military thought it could just sweep through Afghanistan and Iraq and militarily for awhile it did...but those short term victories don't look so good anymore....the Taliban are back, Afghanistan and Iraq are governed by puppet governments just like under Saddam and Omar...and they can be brutal too.....we eliminated a lot of bad guys and bred many more in the process....we spent close to 1.8 trillions dollars and counting...more than 2.5 times the economic stimulus wing-nuts love to complain about, and gas is still over $3.00 per gallon..

...We are losing the war of attrition.....that is the new war the US will face....don't battle directly, fight and hide....very effective...