RGIII and Russell Wilson

[Avante]

Anyone still think blacks can't play QB in the NFL? Imagine those two a few years from now, once they get some experience. Cam Newton did things last season no rookie had ever done.

What we do know for sure, whites can't play cornerback and very few at running back.

As of right now....

Russell Wilson 63.5 comp% 19td/8int 95.2 rating
Andrew Luck 55.5% 17/16 76.1

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Big time backs like Alfred Morris out of RinkyDinky State is nothing new in the NFL.

All 1000 yard rushers. *** Hall of Fame

Chris Johnson..East Carolina
Chris Warren...Furman
Fred Jackson...Coe
Walter Payton...Jackson State***
Joe "The Jet" Perry...Compton JC***/first Niner 1000yder
Mercury Morris...West Texas State
Abner Haynes...North Texas State/first Chief 1000yder
Dick Bass...UOP/first Ram 1000er
Joe Delaney...NWLa/as a rookie, if he hadn't drown...??? A 9.4 sprinter.
Clem Daneils...Prairie View/first Raider 1000yder
Willie Ellison...Texas Southern
DeAngelo Williams...Memphis
J.D. Smith...NCA&T
Stump Mitchell...The Citadel
Leroy Kelly...Morgan State***
Cookie Gilchrist..no college/first AFLer & Bills 1000er
Icky Woods...UNLV
Don Woods...New Mexico/was a college QB, over a 1000 his rookie season.
Terdell Middleton...Memphis State

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tons of great receivers out of non BCS conferences

Jerry Rice....Mississippi Valley State***
Terrell Owens...Chattanooga*** (to be)
Randy Moss..Marshall*** (to be)
Isacc Bruce...Memphis
Otis Taylor...Prairie View
Jimmy Smith...Jackson State
John Stallworth...Alabama A&M***
Bob Hayes...Florida A&M***
Victor Cruz...UMass
Greg Jennings...Western Michigan
Andre Reed...Kutztown
Charkie Joiner...Grambling***
Shannon Sharpe...Savannah St***
Rod Smith...Southern Colorado
Harold Carmichael...Southern U
Lionel Taylor...New Mexico Highlands
Art Powell...SJS
Don Maynard...Texas Western (UTEP)***
Harold Jackson...Jackson St
Donald Driver...Alcorn

[J.T.]

Andrew Luck is a winner though. If the Colts wanted a stat machine quarterback they could have just kept Manning.

[Bill_Brasky]

In 3 years we can come back and discuss this. For now, Wilson is incredibly mediocre and gets carried by a strong defense and good coaching. Plus he has a good RB to take pressure off of him and hide his throwing deficiencies. He will need to develop some very very good accuracy is he wants to last in the league.

RG3 I believe can actually be very good. He has the work ethic and a very good arm. Right now though, his accuracy isn't very good. Lots of low/high balls last night, as well as missing a throw toan open receiver in the end zone on the run. If he can become accurate on the run he will be great. He also didn't see a wide open Santana Moss downfield for a TD on one play. He also benefited from having a top 5 back, but he's no slouch himself when running the rock. I don't wanna see him taking too many more hits though or he won't last.

[Avante]

Andrew Luck is a winner though. If the Colts wanted a stat machine quarterback they could have just kept Manning.

You watch any of those football talk shows? The Herd? They can't say enought good things about Russell Wilson. He is getting as many props as Luck and RGIII.

I realize some must knock him down because he's black and I bragged about him. But reality is just that..reality. The guy is doing great especially for a rookie. His stats are superior to Lucks and he doesn't have a Reggie Wayne.

It's pretty obvious this bullshit about black QB's is just that...bullshit.

[Avante]

In 3 years we can come back and discuss this. For now, Wilson is incredibly mediocre and gets carried by a strong defense and good coaching. Plus he has a good RB to take pressure off of him and hide his throwing deficiencies. He will need to develop some very very good accuracy is he wants to last in the league.

RG3 I believe can actually be very good. He has the work ethic and a very good arm. Right now though, his accuracy isn't very good. Lots of low/high balls last night, as well as missing a throw toan open receiver in the end zone on the run. If he can become accurate on the run he will be great. He also didn't see a wide open Santana Moss downfield for a TD on one play. He also benefited from having a top 5 back, but he's no slouch himself when running the rock. I don't wanna see him taking too many more hits though or he won't last.

Totally wrong about Wilson, are you aware of his stats at all? Ever hear his coach talk about him? What are you watching?

As of right now he is the 7th ranked QB in the league, Luck number 29.

[Bill_Brasky]

Totally wrong about Wilson, are you aware of his stats at all? Ever hear his coach talk about him? What are you watching?

Yeah, and 90% of his good plays are just him gaining huge chunks of yardage on broken plays. Last time I checked you have to be able to throw the ball to win playoff games.

[Avante]

Yeah, and 90% of his good plays are just him gaining huge chunks of yardage on broken plays. Last time I checked you have to be able to throw the ball to win playoff games.

Last time I checked his completion % was over 63 which is better than Luck, Eli, Brees and others. Once again, what are you watching?


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/statistics/player/passing/sort/passer_rating/2012

[Bill_Brasky]

Last time I checked his completion % was over 63 which is better than Luck, Eli, Brees and others. Once again, what are you watching?


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/statistics/player/passing/sort/passer_rating/2012

If he raises it to 70% maybe they'll finally bench him :lmao

[Avante]

If he raises it to 70% maybe they'll finally bench him :lmao

I don't think so.

Imagine where this guy is headed if he's already out playing most those with far more experience, guy simply has "it" and it's very obvious.

[J.T.]

You're just hating on Luck because he's white. Racist.

[Avante]

You're just hating on Luck because he's white. Racist.

I'm not the one posting threads grading the black QB's, there's your racists. I just thought maybe some reality might be cool. I'm a realist, not a racist. I deal in facts not opinion.

kL9gzkA0s5A

[J.T.]

I'm not the one posting threads grading the black QB's, there's your racists. I just thought maybe some reality might be cool. I'm a realist, not a racist. I deal in facts not opinion.

But if RG3 and Russell Wilson were white and not black this wouldn't be an issue, they'd just be typical white stat padding finesse QBs. So you're only sticking up for them because they're black and you dislike white QBs. Therefore, you are racist.

[Avante]

But if RG3 and Russell Wilson were white and not black this wouldn't be an issue, they'd just be typical white stat padding finesse QBs. So you're only sticking up for them because they're black and you dislike white QBs. Therefore, you are racist.

Some of my prized possesions are...

rookie cards

Joe Montana
Dan Marino
Brett Favre
My 1968 Joe Namath
My 1958 Y.A.Tittle
My 1969 John Unitas
My 1959 Bart Starr

I value those cards far more than I do my 1985 Warren Moon rookie.

Couldn't be more wrong if ya tried. I just know the reality of the situation, yes blacks can play QB in the NFL. Anyone saying they can't aren't paying attention.

[Bruce Wayne]

Pretty sad tbh. Then one position the caucasion persuasion has left in the game and the niggras are coming to take it over. Niggras who can actual throw and prefer to throw over run.

[Avante]

Sorta like Tiger Woods and the Williams sisters , huh? Wait until they start swimming.

[J.T.]

So much racism in this thread. Yall just mad the white man will always make more money than you no matter what he does.

[Bruce Wayne]

J.T. just mad the average white man is unathletic as fuck.

[Avante]

So much racism in this thread. Yall just mad the white man will always make more money than you no matter what he does.

You do know I'm white, right?

[J.T.]

You do know I'm white, right?

Doesn't matter. There are numerous examples of people being racist against their own, including this thread. Why you gotta be so racist man?

[J.T.]

J.T. just mad the average white man is unathletic as fuck.

:tu eat penguin shit you ass spelunker

[Avante]

J.T. just mad the average white man is unathletic as fuck.

Well let' s see....

Last white sprinter to run on a USA Olympic 4x1 team, Gerry Ashworth 1964 and he was there because of injuries to black sprinters Mel Pender and Trenton Jackson.

Last white sprinter fom the USA to medal in an Olympic 100/200, Duke's Dave Sime 1960.

Last white running back to lead the NFL in rushing, Packers Jim Taylor early 60's.

We have to go way back to find white long jumpers of note. Same with hurdlers.

[Avante]

Doesn't matter. There are numerous examples of people being racist against their own, including this thread. Why you gotta be so racist man?

I don't play pretend, if others are going to run down black athletes here I'm going to throw some reality at them. I'm not about to put up with ignorance. Blacks are simply faster, quicker, more agile and elusive. We see tall fast black guys, big powerful fast black guys, we don't see that in any other race in abundance like we do the black race, that is reality and that is a fact.

[Clipper Nation]

Did someone really just say RG3's accuracy needs to improve? :lol

Third in the league in passer rating, only Peyton and Rodgers are better... 5th in completion percentage (btw, how the fuck is R:lolm:lol tied with him?).... 5th in total QBR.... he's only thrown 4 picks all year so far.... by any metric, RG3 is already an elite QB in terms of his accuracy, dude can throw the ball, plain and simple.....

The scary part is, he's young and he has a LOT of time to get even better.... NFL = f:lolcked....

[dirk4mvp]

:lol blinding ignoring the fact most of RG3's passes are dumpoffs, screens, and rollouts....very similiar to Russell Wilson.

:lol elite accuracy

[Lincoln]

In 3 years we can come back and discuss this. For now, Wilson is incredibly mediocre and gets carried by a strong defense and good coaching. Plus he has a good RB to take pressure off of him and hide his throwing deficiencies. He will need to develop some very very good accuracy is he wants to last in the league.

RG3 I believe can actually be very good. He has the work ethic and a very good arm. Right now though, his accuracy isn't very good. Lots of low/high balls last night, as well as missing a throw toan open receiver in the end zone on the run. If he can become accurate on the run he will be great. He also didn't see a wide open Santana Moss downfield for a TD on one play. He also benefited from having a top 5 back, but he's no slouch himself when running the rock. I don't wanna see him taking too many more hits though or he won't last.
Actually that was one of Rg3s worst games accuracy wise I think due to all the Giants pressure up front. He missed a lot of throws he usually makes. Got to give the giants credit there

[Blake]

You do know I'm white, right?

Fat ol white fuck that can't out predict a shit throwing monkey, right?

[Bruce Wayne]

:lol blinding ignoring the fact most of RG3's passes are dumpoffs, screens, and rollouts....very similiar to Russell Wilson.

:lol elite accuracy

:lol Cuck 16 interceptions even with Reggie Wayne.
:lol elite accuracy
:lol pick six machine

[Avante]

All three of them are playing better as rookies than most the legends did. All of them are going to be great QB's. We do have to concern ourselves with RGIII's durability, cat takes some hits.

[Lincoln]

I guess Brady sucks too because he throws a lot of quick passes, slants, screens, and short crossing routes as well

[Lincoln]

:lol Cuck 16 interceptions even with Reggie Wayne.
:lol elite accuracy
:lol pick six machine

Dont forget the 5 lost fumbles

21 turnovers in 12 games. Not hating, just facts...

[dirk4mvp]

Dont forget the 5 lost fumbles

21 turnovers in 12 games. Not hating, just facts...

All while being 8-4, leading his team to a better record than both spook qbs. Not hating, just facts...

[dirk4mvp]

I guess Brady sucks too because he throws a lot of quick passes, slants, screens, and short crossing routes as well

:lol derived what I said into he sucks
:lol comparing RG3 to Tom Brady

strong comprehension

[Bruce Wayne]

All while being 8-4, leading his team to a better record than both spook qbs. Not hating, just facts...

:lol Season not even over
:lol Desperate for Luck to finish with the better record
:lol Cuck

[dirk4mvp]

great screen name

[Avante]

All while being 8-4, leading his team to a better record than both spook qbs. Not hating, just facts...

Playing Jags twice, Tenn and Cleveland will do that. Buffalo!

[Lincoln]

Yea lets ignore the 3 games RG3 was up in the 4 th quarter only for the 31st ranked pass d to give it up

Indy also has the 3rd easiest schedule against the league with a combined record of below .500 crofl

[Lincoln]

Yea lets ignore the 3 games RG3 was up in the 4 th quarter only for the 31st ranked pass d to give it up

Indy also has the 3rd easiest schedule in the league with a combined record of below .500 crofl

[dirk4mvp]

Facts don't change reality. Luck has a better record despite both Wilson and Bob having stud rbs.

[J.T.]

I don't play pretend, if others are going to run down black athletes here I'm going to throw some reality at them. I'm not about to put up with ignorance. Blacks are simply faster, quicker, more agile and elusive. We see tall fast black guys, big powerful fast black guys, we don't see that in any other race in abundance like we do the black race, that is reality and that is a fact.

So you're a white guy who wishes he was black like countless socially awkward white high school boys wish they were Japanese so they could live in a society where raping girls on the subway isn't just okay, but is socially acceptable and it's really more the woman's fault for not honoring her family enough.

I don't know where you're trying to go with this thread if it's not in the direction of you being a total and absolute white man hating racist.

[dirk4mvp]

Yea lets ignore the 3 games RG3 was up in the 4 th quarter only for the 31st ranked pass d to give it up

Indy also has the 3rd easiest schedule against the league with a combined record of below .500 crofl

:cry Luck has such a great defense, it's clearly why they're making the playoffs :(

[dirk4mvp]

It's also hilarious Lincoln turns a blind eye to the Redskins defense being the main reason they won last night :lol

[Avante]

So you're a white guy who wishes he was black like countless socially awkward white high school boys wish they were Japanese so they could live in a society where raping girls on the subway isn't just okay, but is socially acceptable and it's really more the woman's fault for not honoring her family enough.

I don't know where you're trying to go with this thread if it's not in the direction of you being a total and absolute white man hating racist.

Didn't I mention that I'm an historian? I deal in reality and facts. I don't play bullshit games. I know the history, I know what has and is really going on. I'm not going to bullshit about anything. I'm simply telling you how it really is, if you can't handle the truth that's on you not me.

[Lincoln]

Lol theyve showed up the past 3 weeks which is why they've won 3 straight

How can u not give credit to RG3 when it's the defenses fault they have up those 3 games (4 if you want to include bengals). Those wins against the bills, dolphins, titans, jags, and browns are sure impressive tho.

[Lincoln]

Let's be honest, lol if luck couldn't make the playoffs with the 3rd easiest schedule in the league

[dirk4mvp]

Lol theyve showed up the past 3 weeks which is why they've won 3 straight


lol giving the defense props when called out about it

[dirk4mvp]

AFC South wins not including Indy - 17


NFC East wins not including Wash - 16

[Lincoln]

take a look at the defense pre bye week vs post bye week. They're still giving up yards and on pace to give up the most passing yards in NFL history but they've had timely turnovers and played bend but don't break. A weak secondary that's given up 3 games combines with a tough schedule has Washington at 6-6. If only they could feast on the bills,browns, titans 2x, jags 2x, lions etc

[dirk4mvp]

Not really sure why you keep regurgitating the teams Indy plays when it's clear they play in a better division as stated in my earlier post.

[Lincoln]

:lol Indys division being better than the NFC east

Now you're just trolling

[dirk4mvp]

More teams with winning records and more wins in total overall.

[Avante]

Indy...

beat Tenn
lose to Houston
beat KC
could beat Houston here if Houston has all they can get.

But lets give Indy....10 wins

Seattle....

beat Arizona
beat Buffalo
beat the Niners at home
beat St.Louis

...that's 11 but lets say 10.

Washington

beat Baltimore
could lose one of these two road games...Cleveland/Philly
beat Dallas

...that's 9 maybe 10.

[Blake]

I'm simply telling you how it really is, if you can't handle the truth that's on you not me.

52% > 70% = fat fuck failure

[Clipper Nation]

More teams with winning records and more wins in total overall.
The fact that the crap-ass AFC South has more winning teams than the NFC East says more about the shittiness of the AFC this year than anything else, tbh......

[Creepn]

Lmao JT making my sides hurt with him crying about racism against his white brethren.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Indys division being better than the NFC east

Now you're just trolling

Are you deliberately being stupid? The winner of the NFC East will probably be a 9-7 or even 8-8 team. Meanwhile, the Texans have 11 wins and still haven't clinched yet. Why do RG3 nuthuggers act like the NFC East is something more than this season's partial birth abortion of a division?

[Clipper Nation]

The Texans are all that division really has and they're benefiting quite a bit from a weak AFC, tbh....

[Lincoln]

^

[J.T.]

Didn't I mention that I'm an historian? I deal in reality and facts. I don't play bullshit games. I know the history, I know what has and is really going on. I'm not going to bullshit about anything. I'm simply telling you how it really is, if you can't handle the truth that's on you not me.

You deal in racism and hate mongering against your own race. You're a sad sack of shit and I hope you get Lou Gehrig's disease, you dirty racist.

[J.T.]

Lmao JT making my sides hurt with him crying about racism against his white brethren.

Leave the white man alone, he didn't do anything except get educated and decide to sell his less educated darker skinned brothers to do free labor. It's not his fault for tryna make money.

[Creepn]

Leave the white man alone, he didn't do anything except get educated and decide to sell his less educated darker skinned brothers to do free labor. It's not his fault for tryna make money.

I totally agree with you.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The NFC East is is an embarrassment to the NFL this year. Between the Giants' regular season apathy, the Eagles' meltdown, Dallas underachieving (AGAIN), and the mediocrity of the Redskins, it's just a cesspool of shitty football.

[Avante]

You deal in racism and hate mongering against your own race. You're a sad sack of shit and I hope you get Lou Gehrig's disease, you dirty racist.

Calm down little fella, ok?

Trust me I'm totally up on all those white sprinters going back to pre 1900 and the great Lom Myers, cat held the American record from the 50 to the mile. I can name every single white running back of note, ever. I'm just as up on the white athlete, ok? The thing is this, they just don't match up. Do we need to play pretend and act like we do, why? When it comes to speed, quicks, agility, and size with all those the black athletes are the best in the world. If you can't handle the facts then you got a problem. If reality is too much for you, bummer.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Avante, I love trivia challenges. Name me every white player to ever play in the NFL. You've got 30 mins. If you don't, self banishment for a month. If you do, I'll quit posting for a year.

[Avante]

Avante, I love trivia challenges. Name me every white player to ever play in the NFL. You've got 30 mins. If you don't, self banishment for a month. If you do, I'll quit posting for a year.

Obviously with...GOOGLE...that could be done just not in 30 mimutes, it would take awhile and it's boring, so nay.

But since you simply love trivia challenges, here ya go. All about white players.

1.Last Superbowl where one team had two white backs as starters?

2.The first time two white receivers on the same team both had 1000 yard seasons?

3.This team had two Heisman winners in the same backfield at the same time?

4.Two world class hurdlers who played in the NFL?

5.This school had two 1000 rushers who played on the same pro team, just not at the same time?

Good luck!

[gaKNOW!blee]

Avante, in your opinion who are the top ten safeties in the league right now?

[Avante]

Avante, in your opinion who are the top ten safeties in the league right now?

With everyone healthy

1.Ed Reed
2.Troy Palumalu
3.Eric Berry
4.Ryan Clark
5.Adrian Wilson
6.Malcolm Jenkins
7.Earl Thomas
8.Donte Whitner
9.Dashone Goldson
10.Jairius Byrd

[gaKNOW!blee]

Not too bad...but Ed reed is one of the greatest players ever I have no idea how you screwed his name up.

You have Wilson and Jenkins too high with Thomas and Byrd too low.

Donte whitner really sucks though. I would replace him with Eric weddle.

1. Reed
2. Troy
3. Thomas
4. Byrd
5. Berry
6. Goldson
7. Jenkins
8. weddle
9. Decoud
10. Moore


IMO

[Avante]

Not too bad...but Ed reed is one of the greatest players ever I have no idea how you screwed his name up.

You have Wilson and Jenkins too high with Thomas and Byrd too low.

Donte whitner really sucks though. I would replace him with Eric weddle.

1. Reed
2. Troy
3. Thomas
4. Byrd
5. Berry
6. Goldson
7. Jenkins
8. weddle
9. Decoud
10. Moore


IMO

Eric Reid is a great hurdler out of LSU...my bad.

I get what that was all about, trust me big up on todays game, not just some dude stuck in those good old days. I just left a site breaking down points scored and given up. The Raiders a minus 121...ouch!

[gaKNOW!blee]

Wasn't about anything...I was just asking

[J.T.]

Calm down little fella, ok?

Trust me I'm totally up on all those white sprinters going back to pre 1900 and the great Lom Myers, cat held the American record from the 50 to the mile. I can name every single white running back of note, ever. I'm just as up on the white athlete, ok? The thing is this, they just don't match up. Do we need to play pretend and act like we do, why? When it comes to speed, quicks, agility, and size with all those the black athletes are the best in the world. If you can't handle the facts then you got a problem. If reality is too much for you, bummer.

I just don't see how you can go around every day preaching this anti-white man sermon until the sun goes down and still expect us to let you through the front door at white church on Sunday.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I just don't see how you can go around every day preaching this anti-white man sermon until the sun goes down and still expect us to let you through the front door at white church on Sunday.

:lmao post of the fuckin year

[DPG21920]

While RG3 does do a lot of dump offs, the difference between him and Wilson is that they actually trust RG3 to take numerous shots down field. When you watch RG3 play you can tell he can easily make the throws and is pretty damn accurate. Wilson is actually having a solid year all things considered but as of now he has not shown an ability to consistently make actual throws outside of very accurate, quick, short dumps. He's effective in doing that - even more so than other QBS but he's clearly not the class RG3 or Luck is in.

[DPG21920]

Oh, and Luck is just a ridiculous QB/Football Player.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

While RG3 does do a lot of dump offs, the difference between him and Wilson is that they actually trust RG3 to take numerous shots down field. When you watch RG3 play you can tell he can easily make the throws and is pretty damn accurate. Wilson is actually having a solid year all things considered but as of now he has not shown an ability to consistently make actual throws outside of very accurate, quick, short dumps. He's effective in doing that - even more so than other QBS but he's clearly not the class RG3 or Luck is in.

Yeah, RG3 >>> Wilson, it's not even a close call. When you watch Wilson it's obvious how much his height limits his ability to make throws in the pocket. He's having a great year for a rookie 3rd round pick but there's a ceiling on how good he'll be unless he becomes an insanely accurate passer.

[DPG21920]

I haven't been this hyped about the QB position in a while. There was a great stretch there with Brees, Brady, Manning. Then Rodgers (with a couple of those almost great guys like Ben, Romo, Rivers...) but then it started to really look bleak with a lot of busts. Now RG3 and Luck are here and they look really bad a**.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Andy Dalton also looks pretty good this year imo. Tannehill has the Dolphins being a lot more competitive than anyone thought they would be, and I'd be more excited about Weeden if he wasn't so old. If only Stafford and Cutler would stop thinking the object of football is to show the world how well you can throw off your back foot then we'd have more relatively young, good QBs :lol

My concern with Luck is that Indy seems ready to repeat all the mistakes they made with Peyton. The fact Luck is one of only three QBs with 500+ pass attempts this year shows how crappy his supporting cast is, and hopefully Indy knows it needs to improve the talent around Luck. Indy's defense needs a lot of work imo, and the offense needs more weapons outside of Wayne.

[DPG21920]

I'm not sold on Dalton or Tan, but ya they look solid right now. Indy should be in a decent spot to build around Luck so hopefully they don't do the "we can be cheap because Luck can win with whatever..." stuff.

[Lincoln]

This years QB draft class is pretty damn good even Weeden for a rookie. It's still a horrible pick tho especially for a rebuilding team where they will only get like 3 solid years out of him.

Russell is a steal tho for where he got drafted, I was hoping he would fall to Washington but even Kirk cousins looked decent when he has played this year. I ain't sold on tannehill at all tho

[Lincoln]

Dalton was great last year and he is proving it again this year

[dirk4mvp]

Russell Wilson leading his team right now to a 48-0 lead in the 3rd quarter :wow :wow

[DD]

Lynch and Morris are the #2 and 3 rushers in the league. I'm sure people here can connect the dots.

[Creepn]

DD on the never ending campaign to discredit black quarterbacks.

[The Batman]

Lynch and Morris are the #2 and 3 rushers in the league. I'm sure people here can connect the dots.

But their teams win. Just like Luck's team even though he looked shitty today but let's still hype him for MVP.

[DD]

Was what I said factual? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[dirk4mvp]

But their teams win. Just like Luck's team even though he looked shitty today but let's still hype him for MVP.

True, Lynch's and Morris' team won today. Just like Luck's. 3 really good players leading their team to wins. Although Morris did have help today from Kirk Cousins.

[DD]

But their teams win. Just like Luck's team even though he looked shitty today but let's still hype him for MVP.

Neat post, black apologist.

Hey, Christian Ponder is 7-6 and his team plays in a better division than all 3 of them. Let's give him all the credit too while we're at it.

[Pelicans78]

Luck really wasnt that bad. One pick was on a Hail Mary and the other one was a horrible call by the refs.

[The Batman]

True, Lynch's and Morris' team won today. Just like Luck's. 3 really good players leading their team to wins. Although Morris did have help today from Kirk Cousins.

True. Still, neither of them turn the ball over as many times as Luck.

[dirk4mvp]

Even with the turnovers Luck has a better record than either Lynch or Morris :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

All Luck does is win.

[Trill Clinton]

wait...so just because luck's team has a better record he is the better qb?

is that the logic we're rockin' with?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No, there are other factors. The fact Luck has a better record with the team that had the worst record in the NFL last year is a better explanation.

[dirk4mvp]

Other factors like not getting yourself hurt and possibly missing a game(s) in crunch time of a late season playoff hunt weigh in also.

[Trill Clinton]

oh ok

[The Batman]

Even with the turnovers Luck has a better record than either Lynch or Morris :lol

I didn't know luck played in an actual division. 18 picks with 6 games in that weak ass division :lol

:lol haven't even played Houston yet
:lol feasting off Jacksonville and Tennesee

[DD]

Was what I said factual? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Creepn...answer the question.


True. Still, neither of them turn the ball over as many times as Luck.

Yeah, that's the whole point, dumbshit. Of course you're going to have less TO's when you can just say "hey, let's just hand it off to our 1500yd running back!"

[The Batman]

Other factors like not getting yourself hurt and possibly missing a game(s) in crunch time of a late season playoff hunt weigh in also.

It's what happens when you have no consistent receiver.

[The Batman]

Creepn...answer the question.



Yeah, that's the whole point, dumbshit. Of course you're going to have less TO's when you can just say "hey, let's just hand it off to our 1500yd running back!"

Yeah, that covers the production for an actual reciever too . Or you could just do alot of dumpoffs and screens. Which Luck has multiple weapons.

[Lincoln]

Houston might not even play their starters vs Indy

3rd easiest schedule in league

Only played 3 teams with winning records all year which makes lucks TD INT ratio even more impressive

[DD]

Was what I said factual? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


I didn't know luck played in an actual division. 18 picks with 6 games in that weak ass division :lol

:lol haven't even played Houston yet
:lol feasting off Jacksonville and Tennesee

I think it's pretty obvious why you've been primarily a lurker in this forum with those takes:lol

[DD]

Yeah, that covers the production for an actual reciever too .

Like I said, go back to lurking.

[Pelicans78]

Houston might not even play their starters vs Indy

3rd easiest schedule in league

Only played 3 teams with winning records all year which makes lucks TD INT ratio even more impressive


Of course Houston will play their starters. They won't have home field or the division wrapped up yet.

[The Batman]

Houston might not even play their starters vs Indy

3rd easiest schedule in league

Only played 3 teams with winning records all year which makes lucks TD INT ratio even more impressive

And still lost to Jacksonville and the Jets :lol

MVP :lol

[Lincoln]

It'll be some good games then. They play back to back IIRC

[dirk4mvp]

Sorry The Batman (lame poster btw, never noticed him/her until maybe last week in a thread like this. Between Lincoln and the other 2 wigs there isn't any room for you on that wagon :(

[Bill_Brasky]

There is no way around it now, Luck is ROY.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why does djohn2008 feel like logging into Batman in order to argue for black QBs?

[Creepn]

Was what I said factual? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Yeah it's true they have good backs but the dots doesn't lead a person with a brain to think that Wilson is a shitty qb. Fuck no. He's a huge player in their success.

Look at his passing stats, compare them with Luck's, then let me know if he's still a shitty qb.

[dirk4mvp]

What do you think the Seahawks and Colts records are if the 2 players switched teams?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If the Colts called the Seahawks and offered Luck for Wilson, how long do you think it would take the Seahawks to accept, 2 or 3 seconds?

[dirk4mvp]

A real response for once would be nice from creepn instead of some typical response like mane wilson be makin sum good plays n shit.

[mojorizen7]

What do you think the Seahawks and Colts records are if the 2 players switched teams?

Seahawks are comfortably in 1st place in the West probably. Luck has been impressive. Next season will be the litmus test though tbh.

[Creepn]

If the Colts called the Seahawks and offered Luck for Wilson, how long do you think it would take the Seahawks to accept, 2 or 3 seconds?

Why in the hell would they trade for a quarterback doing worse than Wilson? Luck is a fucking turnover machine. Seahawks would just laugh and hang up the phone. Colts would be a laughing stock on the ESPN panels.

Lol trading a top 10 quarterback for a lower tier qb.

[Creepn]

What do you think the Seahawks and Colts records are if the 2 players switched teams?

If Wilson played for the Colts, they would've been first in the division a long ass time ago.

[Avante]

Andrew Luck couldn't hold RGIII or Russell Wilsons jock strap, let's be honest about it. Both have outplayed him this season, while they are throwing TD's he's throwing INT's. Most important of all QB stats, turnovers.

Heading into this week RGIII and RW were ranked in the top 7 where was Luck....29th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many INT's did Luck throw this week

Save all the usual crap, I like the facts better.


But.....unlike you rookies I know better than to but too much into a game or a season. Luck might be the next big thing, but for now he's sucking hind tit.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Andrew Luck couldn't hold RGIII or Russell Wilsons jock strap, let's be honest about it. Both have outplayed him this season, while they are throwing TD's he's throwing INT's. Most important of all QB stats, turnovers.

Heading into this week RGIII and RW were ranked in the top 7 where was Luck....29th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many INT's did Luck throw this week

Save all the usual crap, I like the facts better.


But.....unlike you rookies I know better than to but too much into a game or a season. Luck might be the next big thing, but for now he's sucking hind tit.
:lmao I thought your stupid welching ass was leaving this site, what happened?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If Wilson played for the Colts, they would've been first in the division a long ass time ago.
If you actually believe this and actually think the Seahawks would reject a Wilson for Luck trade, your mother must have done some serious drugs when she was pregnant.

[Raven]

I'm on board with the whole black qb suck because of the whole running out of control until they have more broken ribs than not. Temptation is an ugly bitch and dudes just can't seem to resist running when there is no easy reciever to throw to. Despite liking both RG3 and RW, i still think they will fail in the long run and would take almost any starting white qb over them.

[johnsmith]

Andrew Luck couldn't hold RGIII or Russell Wilsons jock strap, let's be honest about it. Both have outplayed him this season, while they are throwing TD's he's throwing INT's. Most important of all QB stats, turnovers.

Heading into this week RGIII and RW were ranked in the top 7 where was Luck....29th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How many INT's did Luck throw this week

Save all the usual crap, I like the facts better.


But.....unlike you rookies I know better than to but too much into a game or a season. Luck might be the next big thing, but for now he's sucking hind tit.

Post doesn't count cause you're leaving this forum remember?

[Creepn]

I'm on board with the whole black qb suck because of the whole running out of control until they have more broken ribs than not. Temptation is an ugly bitch and dudes just can't seem to resist running when there is no easy reciever to throw to. Despite liking both RG3 and RW, i still think they will fail in the long run and would take almost any starting white qb over them.

What are you talking about? Black qbs don't even run the ball all that much. You make it around they run every single play lol.

How can you say black qbs suck when majority of black led teams are in upper tier in their division, high completion rates, high ratings, ect.?

Ignorance is a muthafucka around here.

[Raven]

What are you talking about? Black qbs don't even run the ball all that much. You make it around they run every single play lol.

How can you say black qbs suck when majority of black led teams are in upper tier in their division, high completion rates, high ratings, ect.?

Ignorance is a muthafucka around here.

because they don't last long enough to let the FO stack them with talent.

[Creepn]

If you actually believe this and actually think the Seahawks would reject a Wilson for Luck trade, your mother must have done some serious drugs when she was pregnant.

What does Luck have over Wilson again?

What is up with the "cramming Luck down our throats" parade? If he's as good as you say, you guys shouldn't have to. No one is cramming Manning down. Or Rodgers. Or whoever that is better than Luck right now.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What does Luck have over Wilson again?

What is up with the "cramming Luck down our throats" parade? If he's as good as you say, you guys shouldn't have to. No one is cramming Manning down. Or Rodgers. Or whoever that is better than Luck right now.
:lmao the same could be said for Wilson or Griffin


I wanna hear you flat out say it so I have the quote. If Indy called Seattle and offered Luck for Wilson, do you really think Seattle would reject it?


As far as what Luck has over Wilson, he doesn't need play action to complete passes, and is tall enough where he can actually see over the pocket.

[Creepn]

:lmao the same could be said for Wilson or Griffin


I wanna hear you flat out say it so I have the quote. If Indy called Seattle and offered Luck for Wilson, do you really think Seattle would reject it?


As far as what Luck has over Wilson, he doesn't need play action to complete passes, and is tall enough where he can actually see over the pocket.

Heeeeell no the same cannot be said. You guys create new Luck threads every time he beats a crappy team and scream "ROY" or "MVP!" whereas RG3 and Wilson been beating divisional leaders with little fanfare. So although Wilson is shorter, he still manages a better passer rating than Luck, and that's a negative?

I already answered your phone call question in the previous page. Please quote me.

[jag]

I don't lump RG3 in with the Vince Youngs and Mike Vicks. Being completely objective: He's smart (can read defenses), super athletic and has a strong arm. I don't think many people are trying to argue that.

The reason I'd take Luck over Griffin is because of the risk of injury associated with each. Comparing either Luck or RG3 to Russell Wilson is stupid.

[Clipper Nation]

Tbh, if Luck doesn't stop being a pick machine, he'll end up like Philbilly Rivers imho....

[Avante]

Will will find out what Luck really is about from here on out, when they beat GB they were at home going off a bye week. Since then who have they beat, yep, nobody and came within seconds of losing to a weak Detroit team.

Luck turns the ball over way too much.

Facts

RGIII is ranked number...1

comp % 66.4
TD/INT 18-4
rating 104.2

RW is ranked number...7

comp % 63.0
TD/INT 20-9
rating 94.9

AL is ranked number....31

comp % 54.9
TD/INT 18-18
rating 74.4


Take away the names and make all these guys white veterens and nobody is buying AL over guys rated higher, better everything. In reality Luck is the 31st ranked QB who throws a ton of INT's. Fact!!!!!!!!

[December Romo]

Avante must have himself an afromistress a la Tommy Lee Jones in that Lincoln movie.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So although Wilson is shorter, he still manages a better passer rating than Luck, and that's a negative?

Is this the part where you play dumb and pretend pass ratings don't improve when your team runs the ball extremely well which enables you to utilize play action and bootlegs more?

I don't see Russell Wilson ever being the type of QB who can lead a team to wins by attempting 40+ passes a game like Luck has this year. The fact he's 2nd in the NFL in pass attempts is ridiculous and demonstrates how shitty Indy is that it has a rookie QB attempting so many passes.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Tbh, if Luck doesn't stop being a pick machine, he'll end up like Philbilly Rivers imho....

Unlike Philbilly Luck actually possesses proper throwing mechanics and can throw passes such that his receivers don't need to win a jump ball every time.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Will will find out what Luck really is about from here on out, when they beat GB they were at home going off a bye week. Since then who have they beat, yep, nobody and came within seconds of losing to a weak Detroit team.

Luck turns the ball over way too much.

Facts

RGIII is ranked number...1

comp % 66.4
TD/INT 18-4
rating 104.2

RW is ranked number...7

comp % 63.0
TD/INT 20-9
rating 94.9

AL is ranked number....31

comp % 54.9
TD/INT 18-18
rating 74.4


Take away the names and make all these guys white veterens and nobody is buying AL over guys rated higher, better everything. In reality Luck is the 31st ranked QB who throws a ton of INT's. Fact!!!!!!!!


Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.


Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Yep, you nailed it. I was a plant.

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok gone for good.

[Clipper Nation]

Unlike Philbilly Luck actually possesses proper throwing mechanics and can throw passes such that his receivers don't need to win a jump ball every time.
Yep, Luck's passes are always on-point, hitting the other team's corners and safeties perfectly in stride.... :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yep, Luck's passes are always on-point, hitting the other team's corners and safeties perfectly in stride.... :lol

9-4

You should start questioning which side of this argument you're on since it's the same side as Avante :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Luck: 18 INT (tied with Brees for most in the league)

RG3: 4 INT

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Luck: 0 games ended early due to monkeyball injury

RG3: 2 games ended early due to monkeyball injury

[Avante]

9-4

You should start questioning which side of this argument you're on since it's the same side as Avante :lol

Open your eyes slick, damn dude don't act like a dumbass. Look at reality man, fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!

Luck 18-18.....are you fucking kidding me?

Wilson 20-9

[Avante]

Luck: 0 games ended early due to monkeyball injury

RG3: 2 games ended early due to monkeyball injury

Are you really as fucking dumb as you act?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Open your eyes slick, damn dude don't act like a dumbass. Look at reality man, fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Yep, you nailed it. I was a plant.

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok gone for good.

PS - I've never seen a grown man use so many exclamation points and onomatopoeic phrases when he types. Maybe the estrogen you're taking is why you can't lose weight.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Are you really as fucking dumb as you act?


Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Yep, you nailed it. I was a plant.

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok gone for good.

[Avante]

PS - I've never seen a grown man use so many exclamation points and onomatopoeic phrases when he types. Maybe the estrogen you're taking is why you can't lose weight.

I noticed you keep ignoring the facts about Luck, don't blame ya.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I noticed you keep ignoring the facts about Luck, don't blame ya.


Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Yep, you nailed it. I was a plant.

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok gone for good.

[chunticakes]

russell wilson is a bus driver, rg3 is a spear chucker, luck is a manning in the making with actual wheels.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

russell wilson is a bus driver

Idk about that, he probably stuggles to see over the steering wheel.

[Avante]

Dude, are you really that retarded?

[chunticakes]

Idk about that, he probably stuggles to see over the steering wheel.

he sits on phone books brah...pete carroll told me so...

[dirk4mvp]

Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

I always fuck with internet punks. I've made that known, ya wander around never posting threads and only here to bug people and I'll play any bullshit I want.

[dirk4mvp]

:cry you don't know anything about foozball i'm gone! :cry



Ok man you win, I just found you guys boring and lacking any real knowledge about the game, tried to add something other than the dailey news. I really had no business here to begin with. Rating the black QB's.......what the fuck? Have fun out dumbing each other.

Gone~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Clipper Nation]

Luck: 0 games ended early due to monkeyball injury

RG3: 2 games ended early due to monkeyball injury
:cry True warrior, tbh... that's my quarterback :cry

[Avante]

Just the facts..


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/statistics/player/passing/sort/passer_rating/2012

[dirk4mvp]

:lol Bob Griffin and Alex Smith better QBs than Peyton, Rodgers, and Brady

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Bob Griffin and Alex Smith better QBs than Peyton, Rodgers, and Brady

:lol RG3 fan jerking off to a stat that says Tony Romo is one of the 5 best QBs of all time and that Jeff Garcia/Chad Pennington are both better QBs than Dan Marino.

[DD]

Mark Sanchez has more passing yards than Russell Wilson. I cannot make this up.

[johnsmith]

5

[johnsmith]

Just thought I'd remind everyone where avante's head is likely at.

[MeloHype]

http://i.imgur.com/ezUt2s7.jpg

[spurraider21]

Did someone really just say RG3's accuracy needs to improve? :lol

Third in the league in passer rating, only Peyton and Rodgers are better... 5th in completion percentage (btw, how the fuck is R:lolm:lol tied with him?).... 5th in total QBR.... he's only thrown 4 picks all year so far.... by any metric, RG3 is already an elite QB in terms of his accuracy, dude can throw the ball, plain and simple.....

The scary part is, he's young and he has a LOT of time to get even better.... NFL = f:lolcked....
Sorry CN, nothing personal but I lol'ed pretty good

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^:lmao holy shit

[Lincoln]

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Sorry CN, nothing personal but I lol'ed pretty good
:lol I don't have good takes all the time, just 90% of the time :downspin:

[johnsmith]

Even I'm getting bored now

[johnsmith]

Ha

[spurraider21]

crofl that clipper nation take

[Corso's Torso]

Ha! Looks like CN's gonna have to go to the sidelines and have a discussion with the oolllllllllllll ball coach efter det one!