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Nbadan
12-05-2012, 12:10 AM
The Republican Party has long promoted itself as the party of business. Republicans understand the needs of business, we are told, and if the country would leave the economy in their hands business would boom. All we need to do is to give those at the very top of the income distribution – the “job creators” – more income through tax breaks, and then sit back and wait for the magic happen. Our investment in the wealthy will produce remarkable economic growth, and everyone will be better off.

The Bush tax cuts were a test of these claims about supply-side economic policies. To justify the tax cuts the nation was, in effect, given a business prospectus from the Republican Party. We were promised that cutting taxes on the wealthy would result in much higher economic growth and broadly shared prosperity. For those who wondered how we would pay for such a large cut to the government’s revenue stream, the Republican prospectus had a remarkable claim. The tax cuts wouldn’t cost us anything. Growth would be so strong that the tax cuts would more than pay for themselves. Even those who admitted that the tax cuts might not be fully self-financing still made strong claims about faster economic growth offsetting much of the lost revenue from the tax cuts.

The reality, of course, has been quite different. There is little evidence that the Bush tax cuts, or any other tax cuts directed at the so-called job creators, have had a noticeable effect on economic growth. And the promise of broadly shared prosperity has not been realized. Most of the gains from economic growth in recent decades have gone to the top of the income distribution while the inflation adjusted wages of the working class have been relatively flat. Furthermore, the tax cuts have not paid for themselves as promised, and it hasn’t even been close. The Bush tax cuts have already cost us trillions in revenue, and if they are extended for high income tax payers, they will cost us roughly another trillion over the next decade.

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Despite their failed promises, the Republican Party is asking that we extend the tax cuts for the wealthy, and some are even calling for further reductions in tax rates. However, if the Republican Party is truly the party of business, then surely it will understand that no responsible financial institution would continue to invest in a business that failed meet, or even come close to the growth and revenue projections that justified the investment in the first place. The payoffs from tax cuts that were promised during the Bush years have not been realized, and the failed promises about growth and revenue have damaged the health, education, and retirement programs the working class depends upon in our increasingly globalized economy.

A true party of business would end our investment in the false promise of supply-side economics. However, a party with a goal of reducing the scale of programs such as Social Security and Medicare along with delivering tax cuts to wealthy political backers would use arguments about the economic effects of tax cuts to disguise its true intentions. Which description fits best? Many Republicans still claim that tax cuts for the wealthy enhance economic growth despite the evidence to the contrary, but it’s rare to hear a Republican admit that these supply-side policies have failed.

Read more at http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2012/12/04/Why-the-GOP-Wont-Admit-Supply-Side-Econ-Has-Failed.aspx#C9lrgKJHePw9Ourh.99

Reaganomics is a failure ...reducing tax rates when they are already low only leads to limited growth and tremendous deficits in government budgets, so why are we even arguing about raising tax rates on the rich?

Nbadan
12-05-2012, 12:27 AM
Grover Norquist Makes a Fool Out of Himself By Demanding Reagan Era Tax Rates


The problem with Norquist’s assertion is that under the Reagan administration, tax rates were higher than under President Obama, and he proposes keeping them lower for 98% of Americans as part of the fiscal cliff negotiations and to continue growing the economy. It is curious that Norquist cites Reagan’s tax policy, because although he initially cut taxes within three months of taking office, within weeks he asked Congress to close loopholes that resulted in the largest tax increase in four decades to cover revenue shortfalls, and over the course of the next eight years, he raised taxes 9 times. The simple truth Norquist, and most Republicans, will never admit is that under President Obama, taxes are substantially lower than under Reagan.

Norquist’s threat, and warning, was that if the President’s signature healthcare reform is implemented, and he follows through with his resolve to raise taxes on 2% of the wealthiest Americans as part of fiscal cliff negotiations, “Tea Party 2 will dwarf Tea Party 1.” According to Norquist, after four years of regulation and tax hikes, implementation of the Affordable Care Act in 2013-2014 and additional tax increases will “push us off the cliff,” and incite angry teabaggers to come roaring back to life. The healthcare reform law’s regulations Norquist objects to are disallowing insurance companies from imposing lifetime caps on coverage, ending pre-existing conditions, and forcing insurance companies to make do with a 20% profit margin.

Norquist believes if the President prevails in the fiscal cliff negotiations and secures a balanced approach to deficit reduction through increased revenue and spending cuts, including maintaining middle class tax cuts, then “it’s the president who is threatening to raise taxes on the middle class” and it will push America’s economy off the cliff inciting teabaggers to come back as Tea Party 2. Norquist’s implication is that if Republicans hold middle class tax cuts hostage and the economy goes off the so-called fiscal cliff, it will be the President’s fault. Either way, Norquist contends the President is at fault and it is a perpetual refrain among Republicans that when the President does not submit to GOP demands, the results are his fault. However, Republicans, and Norquist, are still pushing the failed trickle-down economic theory Willard Romney championed and that Americans rejected in the recent election.


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The President’s proposal of maintaining middle class and small business tax cuts while raising the wealthy’s tax rate to Clinton levels will grow the economy and create jobs. Norquist and his Republican puppets cannot come to grips with the results of the election and the fact that the American people advocate raising taxes on the richest Americans, and it provoked Norquist to assail the Affordable Care Act out of desperation to garner support from teabaggers who are living through the lowest tax rates in 60 years. One thing is certain, if Republicans cling to their demand to preserve the Bush tax rates for the wealthy, or eliminate healthcare insurance regulations, the voters will finish what they started in 2012, and rid America of Republicans and whichever version of the Tea Party that empowers Norquist, and when his devotees are gone, his anti-tax, anti-government, and anti-American agenda will go the way of Willard Romney; down to defeat and absolute irrelevance.

http://www.politicususa.com/grover-norquist-fool-demanding-reagan-era-tax-rates.html

I'm not sold on an absolute collapse of the GOP...parties always seem to find a way to ride out the low points, but if the GOP continues to cling to closely to this policy of no higher taxes on the rich and austerity for everyone else, then tax payers will definitely have a say in 2014 midterms

Nbadan
12-05-2012, 01:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cwg4DB-EeEA#!

Wild Cobra
12-05-2012, 03:23 AM
It really depends on what you think "Supply Side economics" means. I looked at the first paragraph of what Wikipedia says, and I say they are in conflict:


Supply-side economics is a school of macroeconomic thought that argues that economic growth can be most effectively created by lowering barriers for people to produce (supply) goods and services, such as lowering income tax and capital gains tax rates, and by allowing greater flexibility by reducing regulation. According to supply-side economics, consumers will then benefit from a greater supply of goods and services at lower prices. Typical policy recommendations of supply-side economists are lower marginal tax rates and less regulation.
Now the source of that interpretation is out of a 1978 book, which is definitely outdated by today's global supply reach. I agree that lowering the barriers to produce supply is a key. However, at the time, it was US barriers. Not global barriers. What is wrong with today's version is the lowered burden on suppliers is foreign suppliers. Not US suppliers.

scott
12-05-2012, 01:43 PM
What liberal kook wrote that piece?

boutons_deux
12-05-2012, 01:55 PM
Repugs lie both ways: Repugs LIED that cutting taxes in 2001 would spur job growth,

and now THEY LIE that raising taxes will cut jobs.

Those fuckers never get anything right.

Nbadan
12-05-2012, 06:59 PM
Just sayin...


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Wild Cobra
12-06-2012, 03:34 AM
Just sayin...


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Tell me Propaganda Dan...

What part of the constitution has a provision to provide Health, Housing, and Education. You know there is a provision for Defense, right?

Nbadan
12-06-2012, 07:39 PM
What part of the constitution has a provision for preemptive war? Corporations are people? ...perhaps its the part that says 'promote the general welfare' ...i mean it is pretty damn broad right?

Wild Cobra
12-07-2012, 03:27 AM
What part of the constitution has a provision for preemptive war? Corporations are people? ...perhaps its the part that says 'promote the general welfare' ...i mean it is pretty damn broad right?
I'm not advocating those first two, and "promote" does not mean "provide."

The preamble specifically says "provide for the common defense" and "promote the general welfare." It does not say "promote the common defense" and "provide for the common welfare."

Confiscatory tax rates do not promote anything for the common good.

DUNCANownsKOBE
12-07-2012, 10:37 AM
Tell me Propaganda Dan...

What part of the constitution has a provision to provide Health, Housing, and Education. You know there is a provision for Defense, right?

Is there a provision in the constitution that says spend almost as much as every other country in the world on defense?

LnGrrrR
12-07-2012, 02:01 PM
I'm not advocating those first two, and "promote" does not mean "provide."

The preamble specifically says "provide for the common defense" and "promote the general welfare." It does not say "promote the common defense" and "provide for the common welfare."

Confiscatory tax rates do not promote anything for the common good.

Technically, the Founding Fathers didn't want a standing army either, hence their decision to force a budget each year.

TeyshaBlue
12-07-2012, 02:03 PM
Technically, the Founding Fathers didn't want a standing army either, hence their decision to force a budget each year.

Hadn't looked at it that way.:toast

Wild Cobra
12-07-2012, 05:21 PM
Technically, the Founding Fathers didn't want a standing army either, hence their decision to force a budget each year.


Hadn't looked at it that way.:toast
This is correct. I will not disagree with that. Be pretty hard to convince enough people to disband the military however. Back then, we didn't need a standing army. For local threats, most citizens had guns.

LnGrrrR
12-07-2012, 06:39 PM
This is correct. I will not disagree with that. Be pretty hard to convince enough people to disband the military however. Back then, we didn't need a standing army. For local threats, most citizens had guns.

I agree that in this case, the Founding Fathers didn't foresee the needs of today. (Can't really fault them fo that.) A standing army is necessary to effectively function.

baseline bum
12-07-2012, 06:48 PM
I agree that in this case, the Founding Fathers didn't foresee the needs of today. (Can't really fault them fo that.) A standing army is necessary to effectively function.

WC's argument seems to be that it's not necessary to pay that standing army though.

Wild Cobra
12-07-2012, 07:00 PM
WC's argument seems to be that it's not necessary to pay that standing army though.
That's one of your problems. You make shit up in your mind about other people.

baseline bum
12-07-2012, 07:16 PM
Confiscatory tax rates do not promote anything for the common good.

DMX7
12-08-2012, 10:32 AM
That's one of your problems. You make shit up in your mind about other people.

You're against standing armies?

TDMVPDPOY
12-08-2012, 02:57 PM
stay positive and think positive wankers