Shooting at Conn Elementary, 20 reported dead

[Malik Hairston]

:lol there are millions of people on this planet that suffer from undiagnosed mental issues that don't affect their daily lives..there are many people that are oblivious to their own mental deficiencies, just one frustrating stretch of life or incident away from reacting in psychotic violence..

Is it easier to prevent these types of incidents from human beings that may not even be aware of their own mental problems, or would it make more sense to decrease the odds by harshening gun laws?..

It may happen regardless, but it seems less likely that a man could kill 20+ people if it was more difficult to gain access to a gun..there shouldn't even be an argument..

Also, the 1=20 argument is one of the worst arguments in ST history, tbh..

[jag]

Used to be something like this would happen and I'd think back fondly on a time in my younger years when such terrible things seemed happen only so very rarely. Now I'd settle for rolling back the clock to a time where we could go five whole minutes without someone trying to attach an agenda to a senseless tragedy.

[blkroadrunners]

This crap is disgusting. I don't have kids, but I don't even want to imagine how families are going through this.

[pawe]

Also, the 1=20 argument is one of the worst arguments in ST history, tbh..

How is it the worst?
It came from the argument that 1 person killed by a knife is more acceptable than 20 people killed by a gun.
In any case, Is it really that bad that people here laugh at me because I value a good person's life that for me, 1 good person getting killed is as big a tragedy as 20 good people killed?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It came from the argument that 1 person killed by a knife is more acceptable than 20 people killed by a gun.

That's because it is more acceptable.

[AussieFanKurt]

That's because it is more acceptable.

[jag]

I don't care what side of the argument you're on, Australians shouldn't be allowed to have opinions on anything.

[HI-FI]

just found out about this when they were showing the halftime highlights and mentioned something about a tragedy in Connecticut.

I haven't read through the whole thread, but did AussieFanKurt say "Only in America" yet?

[pawe]

That's because it is more acceptable.

I dont think so.
A mother/father will be as equally devastated whether her child was the only victim or her child was a victim along with 19 of his classmates.

My son is the same age as the kids that died so Im saying this with my son on my mind and that is how I will feel whether my kid is the 1 or one of the 20.

[Latarian Milton]

lefties will certainly use this as another example to convince even more retards people's guns should be taken away from them for their own security, while what's actually shown in this case is just the opposite. if there was a person at the scene who carried a gun with him, he would've shot the gunner and the gunner would've been subdued before 20 people were killed, instead people counted on the cops to protect them but the motherfuckers in uniform would not show up until the gunner ran out of ammo. taking guns away from people will only leave them even more vulnerable to gun crimes tbh

[DMC]

You can tell.

That's what I thought, speculation. So much for your truth.

[BlackSwordsMan]

guns dont kill people prank calls do

[jag]

just found out about this when they were showing the halftime highlights and mentioned something about a tragedy in Connecticut.

I haven't read through the whole thread, but did AussieFanKurt say "Only in America" yet?

I don't think he's said it yet, but that retard from that worthless, insignificant country was probably thinking it.

[Malik Hairston]

Think about the misery and pain of the families of 1 murder/death of 1 person..wouldn't you rather spare the other 19 families from the same misfortune?..

Also, :lol at the people criticizing the content of the thread that was derived from the subject..it's a discussion forum, not an obituary..the only person unecessarily pushing an agenda is the dude with the Obama criticism..

[Malik Hairston]

I don't think he's said it yet, but that retard from that worthless, insignificant country was probably thinking it.

:lol at least he's not Shadowflames and his pessimistic view on life in every thread, tbh..

[DMC]

:lol there are millions of people on this planet that suffer from undiagnosed mental issues that don't affect their daily lives..there are many people that are oblivious to their own mental deficiencies, just one frustrating stretch of life or incident away from reacting in psychotic violence..

Is it easier to prevent these types of incidents from human beings that may not even be aware of their own mental problems, or would it make more sense to decrease the odds by harshening gun laws?..

It may happen regardless, but it seems less likely that a man could kill 20+ people if it was more difficult to gain access to a gun..there shouldn't even be an argument..

Also, the 1=20 argument is one of the worst arguments in ST history, tbh..

You've made quite the leap from "harshening" gun laws to "more difficult to gain access to a gun" as if the reason people can get a gun is because the law permits it. Most of the time these arguments lose sight of the fact that the existing laws were broken in committing these acts, and that the perpetrator planned in advance to carry these acts out. These are not crimes of passion, heat of the moment stuff. If a convicted felon can easily acquire a gun when it's both illegal to sell and illegal for him to own, attempt to purchase or even be in possession of a firearm, then there's no real connection between legality and ease of purchase. How hard is it to buy illegal drugs?

[DMC]

Yes the Math is simple. But would you give up your child? This child that more than likely swore to yourself that you would protect.
There are some stupid fucking people in this thread.

[HI-FI]

I don't have much of importance to add, just found about this. This reminds me of the Aurora thread, and I guess it's same shit, different day.

I don't even know if i'll watch much of the coverage on this. tbh, I think news media and corporations should feel ashamed how they handle this stuff. I understand we should report it, but everything is so sensationalized, that I believe it is causing more copycats. Fucked up people get to feel like rock stars or the Joker for awhile, and I wish the media would handle this in a better way.

I'll probably read a bit of the coverage but try to avoid most of it, I just think absorbing this stuff even by osmosis is bad for the soul.

also, I'm sort of on the fence about gun rights. I won't bother with it because I still have mixed feelings about it, but does anyone else consider it eerie that as our government grows like a cancer, with people losing more freedoms, that we also have more of these incidences happening to fuel the flames? I'm not saying it's some PsyOps or conspiracy theory, I'm just saying it's strange to see these things are getting more out of hand as the government grows, yet it just adds to the malignant growth. It's a vicious cycle.

[jag]

I'll probably read a bit of the coverage but try to avoid most of it, I just think absorbing this stuff even by osmosis is bad for the soul.


Pretty much how I feel.

[Malik Hairston]

You've made quite the leap from "harshening" gun laws to "more difficult to gain access to a gun" as if the reason people can get a gun is because the law permits it. Most of the time these arguments lose sight of the fact that the existing laws were broken in committing these acts, and that the perpetrator planned in advance to carry these acts out. These are not crimes of passion, heat of the moment stuff. If a convicted felon can easily acquire a gun when it's both illegal to sell and illegal for him to own, attempt to purchase or even be in possession of a firearm, then there's no real connection between legality and ease of purchase. How hard is it to buy illegal drugs?

Of course getting a gun would still be possible..growing up, I was capable of buying a gun as early as 13 or 14 IIRC..more effort in a war against guns could make it more difficult, though, which is the point..

Asserting more error to prevent the amount of guns in circulation would be a start..drug trafficking is still prevalent, obviously, but suppliers have been forced to progressively create more advanced methods to move their drugs, compared to previous eras IMO..

There would still be gun suppliers and traffickers that would bypass security measures, but it should be a much higher priority than drugs and certain other prioritized issues IMO..

[DMC]

I don't have much of importance to add, just found about this. This reminds me of the Aurora thread, and I guess it's same shit, different day.

I don't even know if i'll watch much of the coverage on this. tbh, I think news media and corporations should feel ashamed how they handle this stuff. I understand we should report it, but everything is so sensationalized, that I believe it is causing more copycats. Fucked up people get to feel like rock stars or the Joker for awhile, and I wish the media would handle this in a better way.

I'll probably read a bit of the coverage but try to avoid most of it, I just think absorbing this stuff even by osmosis is bad for the soul.

also, I'm sort of on the fence about gun rights. I won't bother with it because I still have mixed feelings about it, but does anyone else consider it eerie that as our government grows like a cancer, with people losing more freedoms, that we also have more of these incidences happening to fuel the flames? I'm not saying it's some PsyOps or conspiracy theory, I'm just saying it's strange to see these things are getting more out of hand as the government grows, yet it just adds to the malignant growth. It's a vicious cycle.

The fear of creating copycats means we are already fucked. We cannot live in such a fashion as to not suggest to anyone that they could possibly wreak havoc on society. That option is always on the table for everyone. If all a person needs is a nudge, it's pointless to pretend it won't happen.

The answer isn't in preventing people from going postal. It's in empowering staff and students to be able to mitigate the problem until officers arrive. Right now everyone is vulnerable, and these "crazy" people oddly enough target areas where they are least likely to encounter resistance, a theater, a school, a temple, etc... Notice no one has attacked a military base and only one police station attack. Conventional arguments have been that innocents will be hurt in the crossfire. Guess what, they will all die if the guy doesn't run out of ammo first.

It's only going to subside if we take a hard line stance. Removing everyone's ability to respond or defend themselves isn't the answer, and since the law only affects the law abiding, that's what many here are proposing doing because they lack enough understanding and tactical experience to see it any other way. They just want someone to make it go away.

[Reck]

:lol at least he's not Shadowflames and his pessimistic view on life in every thread, tbh..

Every thread?

[z0sa]

You're a fucking idiot if you think killing 1 child is better than killing 20 children.
You're a perfect example of somebody who does not respect human life anymore.

I don't think anyone sees 20 children slaughtered one after the other and thinks, "Well after that first one I didn't care much anyway."

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I dont think so.
A mother/father will be as equally devastated whether her child was the only victim or her child was a victim along with 19 of his classmates.

Holy hell this is some warped/flat out retarded logic.

[DMC]

Of course getting a gun would still be possible..growing up, I was capable of buying a gun as early as 13 or 14 IIRC..more effort in a war against guns could make it more difficult, though, which is the point..

Well you cannot but a gun at 13 of 14 now. Anyone here who knows existing gun laws would be a good start for a debate, however those of you who don't even know what laws are on the books now shouldn't be calling for tougher ones. That's just a knee jerk reaction. None of you will set out to learn the laws, you just accept what you hear and parrot it.


Asserting more error to prevent the amount of guns in circulation would be a start..drug trafficking is still prevalent, obviously, but suppliers have been forced to progressively create more advanced methods to move their drugs, compared to previous eras IMO..

Yet there's coke and weed at every HS party.


There would still be gun suppliers and traffickers that would bypass security measures, but it should be a much higher priority than drugs and certain other prioritized issues IMO..
It would huh? Would that make the parents feel better when their kids are killed? "Hey, we made it harder to get guns, sorry this person's father was a cop".

The answer is always in deterrent. That's why the cop doesn't conceal. He's deterring crime just by being there, by being armed. We've had an armed populace for hundreds of years. You cannot suddenly start disarming the law abiding citizens and leave them at the mercy of the criminals.

The guy committed a crime. That doesn't change the 2nd Amendment and it doesn't change the fact that we are ultimately responsible for our own safety. Our forefathers knew that.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I don't think anyone sees 20 children slaughtered one after the other and thinks, "Well after that first one I didn't care much anyway."
:lmao

[Malik Hairston]

:lol all these bitches love zosa, hit them with the Cobra..

[HI-FI]

The fear of creating copycats means we are already fucked. We cannot live in such a fashion as to not suggest to anyone that they could possibly wreak havoc on society. That option is always on the table for everyone. If all a person needs is a nudge, it's pointless to pretend it won't happen.

The answer isn't in preventing people from going postal. It's in empowering staff and students to be able to mitigate the problem until officers arrive. Right now everyone is vulnerable, and these "crazy" people oddly enough target areas where they are least likely to encounter resistance, a theater, a school, a temple, etc... Notice no one has attacked a military base and only one police station attack. Conventional arguments have been that innocents will be hurt in the crossfire. Guess what, they will all die if the guy doesn't run out of ammo first.

It's only going to subside if we take a hard line stance. Removing everyone's ability to respond or defend themselves isn't the answer, and since the law only affects the law abiding, that's what many here are proposing doing because they lack enough understanding and tactical experience to see it any other way. They just want someone to make it go away.
I see what you are saying and where you're going, but in regards to military base, wasn't Hasaan an example of that? i live right next to where it all happened, so that was a recent example. my point thought was more about the culture, how there is this vicious cycle of growing government, more crazy and shocking episodes, government cracks down harder etc...Strange days...

[Malik Hairston]

Well you cannot but a gun at 13 of 14 now. Anyone here who knows existing gun laws would be a good start for a debate, however those of you who don't even know what laws are on the books now shouldn't be calling for tougher ones. That's just a knee jerk reaction. None of you will set out to learn the laws, you just accept what you hear and parrot it.

Yet there's coke and weed at every HS party.

It would huh? Would that make the parents feel better when their kids are killed? "Hey, we made it harder to get guns, sorry this person's father was a cop".

The answer is always in deterrent. That's why the cop doesn't conceal. He's deterring crime just by being there, by being armed. We've had an armed populace for hundreds of years. You cannot suddenly start disarming the law abiding citizens and leave them at the mercy of the criminals.

The guy committed a crime. That doesn't change the 2nd Amendment and it doesn't change the fact that we are ultimately responsible for our own safety. Our forefathers knew that.


I'm not talking about buying a gun, I'm talking about illegally possessing a gun..my belief is that there should be stricter action on the circulation of semis/autos in the country..where I grew up, I could get a gun when I was in middle school, which was my point..

The guns that are allowed into the country should only be accessible to a specific portion of the population, based on designated criteria..

Coke and weed are at a much higher demand with the average person than a gun, tbh..still, even with the higher demand and more dispersed usage of drugs, it's still more difficult to smuggle drugs today than it was in previous eras IMO..

I don't disagree with your deterrent argument..

[Fernando TD21]

:lol there are millions of people on this planet that suffer from undiagnosed mental issues that don't affect their daily lives..there are many people that are oblivious to their own mental deficiencies, just one frustrating stretch of life or incident away from reacting in psychotic violence..

Is it easier to prevent these types of incidents from human beings that may not even be aware of their own mental problems, or would it make more sense to decrease the odds by harshening gun laws?..

It may happen regardless, but it seems less likely that a man could kill 20+ people if it was more difficult to gain access to a gun..there shouldn't even be an argument..

Also, the 1=20 argument is one of the worst arguments in ST history, tbh..
:tu

[DMC]

I see what you are saying and where you're going, but in regards to military base, wasn't Hasaan an example of that? i live right next to where it all happened, so that was a recent example. my point thought was more about the culture, how there is this vicious cycle of growing government, more crazy and shocking episodes, government cracks down harder etc...Strange days...

No, Hassan was in the Army. He attacked people at a point where they were not armed, in the SRPC, basically a medical facility. The fact he was shot by military police and not someone else is testament to that fact. Soldiers are rarely armed unless they are deployed, standing guard or they are MPs. He picked the most docile place to shoot, and he's still alive.

Don't try to tie everything into so grand unification theory of crime. It's a single event. Others will happen, but it's not because of the government.

[dbreiden83080]

Happy Happy holidays.. Jesus H Christ I was doing Christmas shopping for my sister’s kids when I heard about this on the radio. How are these sick twisted people walking the streets? You have a problem with someone in your family take it up with them but 20 children.. It Is getting to the point where you are scared to even leave your home. All this violence that is occurring within the US, we are killing each-other in once senseless act of violence after another. I am all for strict gun control or at least steps in the direction of much stiffer sanctions.. Something has to change..

[jag]

When z0sa is outclassing you in a debate, you know it's just not your night.

[DMC]

I'm not talking about buying a gun, I'm talking about illegally possessing a gun..my belief is that there should be stricter action on the circulation of semis/autos in the country..where I grew up, I could get a gun when I was in middle school, which was my point..
Do you know the NFA laws pertaining to automatic rifles? Do you know the shooter in this case used two handguns and that his .223 was in his car? Please stop using semis and autos in the same sentence as if they are two categories available at your local gun store. They aren't.


The guns that are allowed into the country should only be accessible to a specific portion of the population, based on designated criteria..

Do you know existing import laws?


Coke and weed are at a much higher demand with the average person than a gun, tbh..

So then if an illegal substance cannot be controlled because of demand, what makes you think guns can?

Here's your reasoning:

1. Drugs, though illegal, cannot be controlled because they are in high demand
2. Guns need to be controlled so we should make them illegal.


I don't disagree with your deterrent argument..
It's the only answer. Everything else propagates the fallacy that laws deter criminals.

[DMC]

Happy Happy holidays.. Jesus H Christ I was doing Christmas shopping for my sister’s kids when I heard about this on the radio. How are these sick twisted people walking the streets? You have a problem with someone in your family take it up with them but 20 children.. It Is getting to the point where you are scared to even leave your home. All this violence that is occurring within the US, we are killing each-other in once senseless act of violence after another. I am all for strict gun control or at least steps in the direction of much stiffer sanctions.. Something has to change..

Great, another scared shitless clueless one. Oh someone shot someone and it made the news, I am now in more danger. Hurry, enact laws.. fuck the Bill of Rights.

[Juggity]

Free access to guns should have been stopped a long fucking time ago. This isn't 1776, where the only firearms people have access to are flintlock muskets that take a minute to load each bullet.

Shit is ridiculous.

[rascal]

lefties will certainly use this as another example to convince even more retards people's guns should be taken away from them for their own security, while what's actually shown in this case is just the opposite. if there was a person at the scene who carried a gun with him, he would've shot the gunner and the gunner would've been subdued before 20 people were killed, instead people counted on the cops to protect them but the motherfuckers in uniform would not show up until the gunner ran out of ammo. taking guns away from people will only leave them even more vulnerable to gun crimes tbh

More guns does not decrease gun crimes.

[dbreiden83080]

Great, another scared shitless clueless one. Oh someone shot someone and it made the news, I am now in more danger. Hurry, enact laws.. fuck the Bill of Rights.

Yeah everyone is clueless unless they agree with you.. Do you have kids? You would not be popping off at the mouth about gun rights had your 5 year old been killed today.. Would you be selling that to your wife tonight in the midst of your grief?

Fuckin idiot..

And i never said to outlaw them asshole..

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sure enough, Mike Huckabee comes out and said this happened because we 'removed god from schools' :lmao:lmao:lmao

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/huckabee-schools-place-of-carnage-because-we-systematically?ref=fpb

[mavs>spurs]

Free access to guns should have been stopped a long fucking time ago. This isn't 1776, where the only firearms people have access to are flintlock muskets that take a minute to load each bullet.

Shit is ridiculous.

Damn you dickless liberals are some domesticated pieces of work. 1776 is why you're free to do the things you want, such as watching while large black men plow your wife with dicks longer than the barrel of this dude's rifle. You'd just as soon turn in your freedom and become a slave because like everyone else in this country, we've gone soft. How quickly people forget, the founding fathers gave us the 2nd amendment because they had incredible foresight and wanted to avoid the tyranny they shed BLOOD to defeat. The only sacrifice you have to make on a daily basis is sacrificing sleep for more time for tv or vice versa..you've never studied history and don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You're only as free as you demand to be and people like you don't deserve to live free. You don't have the balls for it. PS - hitler was also for gun control, why don't you go fuck off my 2nd amendment.

[HI-FI]

Damn you dickless liberals are some domesticated pieces of work. 1776 is why you're free to do the things you want, such as watching while large black men plow your wife with dicks longer than the barrel of this dude's rifle.

i almost spit my beer out on dis one. det whigga is going ballz out.

[DMC]

Yeah everyone is clueless unless they agree with you.. Do you have kids? You would not be popping off at the mouth about gun rights had your 5 year old been killed today.. Would you be selling that to your wife tonight in the midst of your grief?

Fuckin idiot..

And i never said to outlaw them asshole..

Knee jerk reactions like yours, thinking you're less safe because some 20 year old kid shot up a kindergarten class in Connecticut, that pretty special. Then you say something needs to be done about guns.

I highly doubt the parents are discussing guns at all. Makes me wonder why you felt endangered suddenly especially with all that MMA shit.

[DMC]

More guns does not decrease gun crimes.

I don't give a shit about decreasing gun crimes. I care about protecting myself. I'm not running for office.

[Juggity]

How quickly people forget, the founding fathers gave us the 2nd amendment because they had incredible foresight and wanted to avoid the tyranny they shed BLOOD to defeat. The only sacrifice you have to make on a daily basis is sacrificing sleep for more time for tv or vice versa..you've never studied history and don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You're only as free as you demand to be and people like you don't deserve to live free. You don't have the balls for it. PS - hitler was also for gun control, why don't you go fuck off my 2nd amendment.

The "incredible foresight" to allow 20 children to be murdered by one crazy fuck. Seems legit.

But gotdamn, there's dickskin reasearch to be done scro. Why are you wasting your time arguing about guns?

[mavs>spurs]

bringing up irrelevant stuff is always a good way to show that you're grasping at straws and are losing the argument. tell me again how our violent crime rate is higher than all of europe because it isn't. if we let idiots like you run the country we might make the League of Shame

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg

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[DMC]

I noticed the chirping of crickets when I inquired about existing gun laws. Oh everyone wants tougher ones, but they have no idea what the existing ones are. Too fucking lazy to learn, but motivated to speak.

[mavs>spurs]

:cry we gotta take da guns away becuase the big batman meanie who had ties to a top military psychologist shot some people and now this happens right as the UN is working on their gun treaty :cry because the gubbamint has never poisoned orphans with radioactive milk as a secret experiment :cry don't shatter my sheltered little reality i'm not sure if i can take it :cry the gubbamint wouldn't hurt children this time!!! it's different!!! but deeeeeed, it was jesss a lil gun powder and lead! :cry

[mavs>spurs]

I noticed the chirping of crickets when I inquired about existing gun laws. Oh everyone wants tougher ones, but they have no idea what the existing ones are. Too fucking lazy to learn, but motivated to speak.

they also like to blindly proclaim that we need to ban fully autos not realizing that the guy didn't use a fully auto and those aren't available without special permits. these are the same people spewing bullshit all over this forum and every news outlet crying about how fully auto's shouldn't be available and you don't need them to hunt deer blah blah as if the 2nd amendment was EVER about hunting. crofl @ the thought that dumbfucks who don't know the difference between a semi and an auto thinking they have any business making such important decisions for the country and their neighbors rights.

[DMC]

they also like to blindly proclaim that we need to ban fully autos not realizing that the guy didn't use a fully auto and those aren't available without special permits. these are the same people spewing bullshit all over this forum and every news outlet crying about how fully auto's shouldn't be available and you don't need them to hunt deer blah blah as if the 2nd amendment was EVER about hunting. crofl @ the thought that dumbfucks who don't know the difference between a semi and an auto thinking they have any business making such important decisions for the country and their neighbors rights.


Reminds me of the Obama interviews where the person was saying that Paul Ryan and Obama were a great duo, and that they did a great job. Most of these people are too mentally apathetic to ever learn about what ails them, and they will get over it in about 24 hours anyhow and be running their sausage socks about something else.

That's why majority rule is dangerous. The majority is often ignorant and they move like a group of baitfish, flinching at every sign of danger real or perceived. They want to eliminate every right if they feel the least bit threatened as long as gas prices don't go up.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm not on DMC's side in this argument but he's mentioned countless times on this site he has kids.

[mavs>spurs]

crofl crofl as if having kids makes you a more caring, sympathetic person and better than the next person "feeling like shit whenever people die is a parent thing, you wouldn't understand :cry" as if sticking your little chode inside your wife's beef flaps gives you some sort of super-insight to the situation :lmao this is like that time GNSF said "you wouldn't understand winning basketball because your team has never won a championship" :lmao you can't make this shit up you cuck

[benefactor]

Work up a special tactical training class for school staff that want to volunteer/are qualified and arm them. Problem solved.

[leemajors]

DMC's kid(s) are grown if I remember correctly.

[HI-FI]

Work up a special tactical training class for school staff that want to volunteer/are qualified and arm them. Problem solved.

sadly not a bad idea, considering our schools are already turning more into prisons when you consider the ridiculous size of them and the lockdown nature. home school is an option as well if you can manage it.

[SA210]

That's what I thought, speculation. So much for your truth.

It's not speculation. It's fact, he murders children. Nothing you say will change that fact.

[pawe]

Work up a special tactical training class for school staff that want to volunteer/are qualified and arm them. Problem solved.

And maybe rotate the responsibility of who are assigned to carry so the kids wont know who is armed for that day.

[DMC]

Jesus, get him the fuck off the computer and go take care of them kids before they rob me.

Grown, but my grandson could probably take you.

[carina_gino20]

wow.

[AussieFanKurt]

any new news out?

[IceColdBrewski]

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly,
while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato

[rogues]

any new news out?
Not at the moment, but Australia is still a shitty country last I checked, fwiw....

rofl, we've been waiting for your "only in America" statement.. What gives scro? You don't want to make that statement again or what?..

[The Reckoning]

he's backpedaling because aus has unsolved shootings of its own, particularly in Sydney tbh

[Richie]

bringing up irrelevant stuff is always a good way to show that you're grasping at straws and are losing the argument. tell me again how our violent crime rate is higher than all of europe because it isn't. if we let idiots like you run the country we might make the League of Shame

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg

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Violent crime, boo hoo. I'll take getting punched in the face in London over being shot in the chest in New York

Homicide rate in US: 4.2
Homicide rate in UK: 1.2

You're quoting a table from a British newspaper which loves a bit of scaremongering.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lmao 1 person dies, 20 people die, it's all the same in your book :lmao

DoK with teh Jew bads again, it's basic math, 6 billion people in this world 1/6billion and 20/6 billion, comes out with such an indiscriminate difference that if that equation, was money it would be the same. You are an insult to your people son

[AussieFanKurt]

he's backpedaling because aus has unsolved shootings of its own, particularly in Sydney tbh

:lol like I give a fuck about that shit hole

[rogues]

:lol like I give a fuck about that shit hole

Why a shithole if you don't mind me asking? tbh

[AussieFanKurt]

Not at the moment, but Australia is still a shitty country last I checked, fwiw....

rofl, we've been waiting for your "only in America" statement.. What gives scro? You don't want to make that statement again or what?..

Chill out, smoke a bowl or something :lol

[AussieFanKurt]

Why a shithole if you don't mind me asking? tbh

all I saw when I was there was rubbish, bums and prostitutes, I hated it and don't plan going back unless I have to

[rogues]

Chill out, smoke a bowl or something :lol
hey man.. I'm not even kidding:lol..

I really thought you would come out saying some stupid shit like that...........

[AussieFanKurt]

hey man.. I'm not even kidding:lol..

I really thought you would come out saying some stupid shit like that...........

son it was a low point for me tbh, I think I was high or something.. making a mockery out of death is lame as fuck even though I like black comedy, it was uncalled for, more of an attempt at laughing at people who do say stupid shit that came off wrong

[CuckingFunt]

So... just got back from work and this thread is eleven pages long. Can I assume this is mostly a retread of the gun argument we all had after The Dark Knight Rises kerfuffle in Colorado? Or have sentiments changed enough in the past six months to justify my full attention to what I've missed?

[leemajors]

it's about the same

[baseline bum]

crofl crofl as if having kids makes you a more caring, sympathetic person and better than the next person "feeling like shit whenever people die is a parent thing, you wouldn't understand :cry" as if sticking your little chode inside your wife's beef flaps gives you some sort of super-insight to the situation :lmao this is like that time GNSF said "you wouldn't understand winning basketball because your team has never won a championship" :lmao you can't make this shit up you cuck

:lol overly-proud parents always saying that shit
:lol same people think I give a fuck about seeing pics of their kids
:lol your kids are ugly

[Juggity]

bringing up irrelevant stuff is always a good way to show that you're grasping at straws and are losing the argument. tell me again how our violent crime rate is higher than all of europe because it isn't. if we let idiots like you run the country we might make the League of Shame

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/02/article-1196941-05900DF7000005DC-677_468x636.jpg

STTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS

LINK (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/) - (Published yesterday)


America is an unusually violent country.

Kieran Healy, a sociologist at Duke University, made this graph (http://www.kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2012/07/20/america-is-a-violent-country/) of “deaths due to assault” in the United States and other developed countries. We are a clear outlier.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/America-is-violent-graph.png (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/America-is-violent-graph.png)
As Healy writes, “The most striking features of the data are (1) how much more violent the U.S. is than other OECD countries (except possibly Estonia and Mexico, not shown here), and (2) the degree of change—and recently, decline—there has been in the U.S. time series considered by itself.”


More guns tend to mean more homicide.
The Harvard Injury Control Research Center assessed the literature on guns and homicide and found that there’s substantial evidence that indicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you’re looking at different countries or different states. Citations here (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html). (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html)


States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.
Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/) into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/gun-control-laws-and-gun-deaths-florida.jpg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/gun-control-laws-and-gun-deaths-florida.jpg)
“The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” explains Florida. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).”

[baseline bum]

States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.
Last year, economist Richard Florida dove deep (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/) into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/gun-control-laws-and-gun-deaths-florida.jpg (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/07/gun-control-laws-and-gun-deaths-florida.jpg)
“The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” explains Florida. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).”



Damn son, Chicago looks like a nice place to raise a family.

[rogues]

Damn son, Chicago looks like a nice place to raise a family.
:lmao

[HI-FI]

son it was a low point for me tbh, I think I was high or something.. making a mockery out of death is lame as fuck even though I like black comedy, it was uncalled for, more of an attempt at laughing at people who do say stupid shit that came off wrong
AussieFanKurt's "Only in AMerica" comment was his equivalent of Jane Fonda posing with the NVA. He tries to forget the stupidity of it but we're here to remind him:lol

[Juggity]

Damn son, Chicago looks like a nice place to raise a family.

Not sure how that's related tbh. The data concerned statewide gun control laws, the existence of which apparently are correlated with lower rates of gun crime.

[AussieFanKurt]

AussieFanKurt's "Only in AMerica" comment was his equivalent of Jane Fonda posing with the NVA. He tries to forget the stupidity of it but we're here to remind him:lol

haha don't blame you mate, at least be fine with me not liking pixie haired women? :lol

[HI-FI]

haha don't blame you mate, at least be fine with me not liking pixie haired women? :lol

:lolass. I love the pixie hair, can't deny it. It's sort of an obsession for me. I was checking out one chick with it today, probably made her uncomfortable, but that's per par. Good to see you've come to terms with your Only in America comment and haven't doubled down, ST might have revolted on you :lol

[Wild Cobra]

Are hunting rifles fully automatic?
Are fully automatic rifle legal without a special license... Ask yourself that...

What good does banning them do?

[Wild Cobra]

I guess this is the part where gun lovers sanctimoniously pretend to feel sorry for the victims before explaining how gun control is what led to the crime while standing on their moral soapbox about liberals politicizing the tragedy.
Looks like you libards are using another tragedy for you agenda.

That is pretty pathetic.

[Wild Cobra]

I think we should have gun rights too, but there should be a very thorough test done. It shouldn't be harder to get a driver's license than it is to legally own a gun.
Why do you want to disenfranchise the right to vote?

[AussieFanKurt]

:lolass. I love the pixie hair, can't deny it. It's sort of an obsession for me. I was checking out one chick with it today, probably made her uncomfortable, but that's per par. Good to see you've come to terms with your Only in America comment and haven't doubled down, ST might have revolted on you :lol

Haha yeah my dad likes short hair too on women and doesn't understand my distaste for it. Better find a lady with a pixie haircut mate or you're in trouble. Checking out too many other chicks.

[Jacob1983]

If it's public or government property, it should be required that the building have metal detectors, searches, and an armed cop on duty. No excuses and if you don't like that, fuck you.

[howbouthemspurs]

2012 has been a fucked up year for gun violence.... Something has to change soon!

[NASpurs]

Why does this country knee-jerk when tragedies like these occur, talk about gun control, etc. but just forget and move on with their lives a couple of months later? It's the same fucking pattern over and over. I want to see what's going to be done a year from now... unless another mass shooting occurs and people will be outraged, forget, and rinse and repeat.

[Wild Cobra]

Why does this country knee-jerk when tragedies like these occur, talk about gun control, etc. but just forget and move on with their lives a couple of months later? It's the same fucking pattern over and over. I want to see what's going to be done a year from now... unless another mass shooting occurs and people will be outraged, forget, and rinse and repeat.
Libtards don't know any better.

[boutons_deux]

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Screen-Shot-2012-12-14-at-7.29.33-PM.png

Gun Advocacy Group Responds: ‘Gun Control Supporters Have The Blood Of Little Children On Their Hands’

“Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/14/1341111/gun-advocacy-group-responds-gun-control-supporters-have-the-blood-of-little-children-on-their-hands/

America The Beautiful, overflowing with ignorant, dickless, diseased fat fucks lead around by the nose the guns-and-ammo industry.

[redzero]

You're a fucking idiot if you think killing 1 child is better than killing 20 children.
You're a perfect example of somebody who does not respect human life anymore.

I would say that twenty deaths are worse than one.

[jag]

I noticed the chirping of crickets when I inquired about existing gun laws. Oh everyone wants tougher ones, but they have no idea what the existing ones are. Too fucking lazy to learn, but motivated to speak.

This is probably the most annoying thing about the anti-gun crowd. Reading their takes, it's blatantly obvious they know nothing about guns, and even worse, they know nothing about existing gun laws. They just know they want TOUGHER GUN LAWS!!

[redzero]

Atheists have more morals than people who require a mythical man in the sky to tell them killing is bad :lol

You're probably the same way, but I figured out killing people was bad without god's assistance.

Theists embarrass themselves when they call atheists immoral. They're basically admitting that a fairy tale is the only thing preventing them from going on a killing spree.

[DMC]

This is probably the most annoying thing about the anti-gun crowd. Reading their takes, it's blatantly obvious they know nothing about guns, and even worse, they know nothing about existing gun laws. They just know they want TOUGHER GUN LAWS!!

It would be great if one of the gun control advocates here wanted to have a discussion on existing gun laws. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, none of them know existing gun laws. They also don't know anything about guns, so when they say certain guns shouldn't be legal to own, they cannot accurately define the gun and cannot tell you why it shouldn't be on in any terms that make sense to someone who does know guns. I even saw one person speak about how easy it is to get the "evil features" like forearm grips and sights that makes guns look so evil and cool. That was before it was known the shooter didn't use the Bushmaster .223.

I understand the feeling of frustration over these things, but information is out there and readily available to anyone who wants it. There's no excuse for being ignorant of the same laws you're trying to change.

[DMC]

Theists embarrass themselves when they call atheists immoral. They're basically admitting that a fairy tale is the only thing preventing them from going on a killing spree.

And that God must have been working overtime to get the Lakers a win.

Our greatest founders were Deists. They had a residual belief in a god who created everything but then abandoned it. Even then knew an all loving entity would not allow the tragedies that we see, and that the "God's will" concept was eerily similar to the "no god" in outcomes.

[DMC]

So... just got back from work and this thread is eleven pages long. Can I assume this is mostly a retread of the gun argument we all had after The Dark Knight Rises kerfuffle in Colorado? Or have sentiments changed enough in the past six months to justify my full attention to what I've missed?

The gun control crowd here has lobbied tirelessly to change the laws to make it more difficult to get a holographic sight or a forearm grip on an assault rifle.

[redzero]

For all the idiots who claim that this country--or people in general--is becoming more and more immoral, could you please tell me when this alleged golden age occurred? When was this time when everybody was nice and fair to each other?

[Drachen]

crofl crofl as if having kids makes you a more caring, sympathetic person and better than the next person "feeling like shit whenever people die is a parent thing, you wouldn't understand :cry" as if sticking your little chode inside your wife's beef flaps gives you some sort of super-insight to the situation :lmao this is like that time GNSF said "you wouldn't understand winning basketball because your team has never won a championship" :lmao you can't make this shit up you cuck

Serious question, you don't think that experience shapes perspective?

[jag]

It would be great if one of the gun control advocates here wanted to have a discussion on existing gun laws. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, none of them know existing gun laws. They also don't know anything about guns, so when they say certain guns shouldn't be legal to own, they cannot accurately define the gun and cannot tell you why it shouldn't be on in any terms that make sense to someone who does know guns. I even saw one person speak about how easy it is to get the "evil features" like forearm grips and sights that makes guns look so evil and cool. That was before it was known the shooter didn't use the Bushmaster .223.

I understand the feeling of frustration over these things, but information is out there and readily available to anyone who wants it. There's no excuse for being ignorant of the same laws you're trying to change. They know nothing of guns, yet they want to tell you how deadly certain guns are. It's comical seeing debates about automatic vs non-automatic guns. They couldn't tell you the difference, much less accurately identify either one out of a lineup. They don't realize you could actually fire off more rounds, at a higher rate of fire, out of a single-shot .22 AR-15 than a higher caliber AR-15. They don't understand mag capacity or the existing laws on mag capacity. They don't realize a single shotgun (5 +1 capacity) and a bag of shells would have done more damage in that school than any non-full auto on the market - there's a reason that guy brought handguns. But the rifle looks sooooo menacing, so it must be outlawed!!!

It's a game politicians play so they can appear tough on gun crime and get votes, and all the ignorant sheep fall in line. I've read scholarly debates, from people far smarter than I, about gun laws and gun control. Not that I agree with them, but there are some good arguments to be made about increased gun control laws. But you will never see any of those quality arguments made on this site, because the people arguing against guns don't know anything about them, or the laws surrounding them.

[Drachen]

:lol overly-proud parents always saying that shit
:lol same people think I give a fuck about seeing pics of their kids
:lol your kids are ugly

I have kids, I hate it when people talk about their kids without me asking. I hate looking at pictures of their kids. Out of respect, I don't talk about my kids unless asked (especially to no kid having people because I really hated it when people talked to me about them before they had kids).
There was a girl at work who I couldn't stand, but I never yelled at her so she thought we were friends. One day after having another kid she asked if I wanted to see pictures of her newborn. I sighed loudly because all newborns look like squishy aliens and I don't care anyway. Unfortunately, she was at the cube next to me stood up and showed her phone. I glanced over three times as she showed me a ton of pics. I just continued doing my work. Fast forward 3 weeks later, a buddy was at my cubicle and we were talking basketball and she just butted in and said "Do you remember when I said I would show you pictures of my kid?" I deadpanned and said "you already did", she said "but that was on a small phone screen, here I have prints" and she extended her hand with photos. I just looked at her, then her hand, then her again and said "I-I just don't care", she got all mad and said "Oh, well I am a proud mom and thought you were a proud dad too" I told her "I am a proud dad, but for my kids, I honestly couldn't care less about yours."

I got a talking to for that episode. My boss at the time, who is an ex-marine and was the second to last guy pulled from the OKC bombing rubble told me that I need to soften up (though he was laughing when he said it).

all that to say, I understand it when people hate parents who talk about their kids all the time.

[I. Hustle]

Cool so you hate when people talk about their kids. I thought this thread was about the kids that were murdered. How that relates to newborn baby pics or kids with ice cream and cake all over their face is beyond me.
I'm a jerk, an ahole and usually insensitive person. However, my heart still breaks at reading about those poor kids. Why can't you guys take a break from trying to show how smart you are and how much you know about gun laws or how you are so important and everyone else is beneath you?
Sometimes this shit goes too far. I know I haven't always been on topic or very mature about some of the stuff on here but this isn't about somebody losing weight or showing off their calf tatts, this is a real tragedy.

[jag]

I know I haven't always been on topic or very mature about some of the stuff on here

Understatement of the century.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Theists embarrass themselves when they call atheists immoral. They're basically admitting that a fairy tale is the only thing preventing them from going on a killing spree.
:lmao

[Drachen]

Cool so you hate when people talk about their kids. I thought this thread was about the kids that were murdered. How that relates to newborn baby pics or kids with ice cream and cake all over their face is beyond me.
I'm a jerk, an ahole and usually insensitive person. However, my heart still breaks at reading about those poor kids. Why can't you guys take a break from trying to show how smart you are and how much you know about gun laws or how you are so important and everyone else is beneath you?
Sometimes this shit goes too far. I know I haven't always been on topic or very mature about some of the stuff on here but this isn't about somebody losing weight or showing off their calf tatts, this is a real tragedy.

There was a sidebar that I responded to, counsel, it wasn't the main topic. There are three threads about this topic on spurstalk (two serious). Yes, I am sad about this happening too. I don't know a lot about gun laws, but I am learning more every time one of these things happens (learning curve is sharp since these incidents are happening with greater frequency). I think you are lumping me in with certain people with whom I don't belong because I agree on one thing.

[O.J. Simpson]

Cool so you hate when people talk about their kids. I thought this thread was about the kids that were murdered. How that relates to newborn baby pics or kids with ice cream and cake all over their face is beyond me.
I'm a jerk, an ahole and usually insensitive person. However, my heart still breaks at reading about those poor kids. Why can't you guys take a break from trying to show how smart you are and how much you know about gun laws or how you are so important and everyone else is beneath you?
Sometimes this shit goes too far. I know I haven't always been on topic or very mature about some of the stuff on here but this isn't about somebody losing weight or showing off their calf tatts, this is a real tragedy.

Oh shut the fuck up, you're the original cantthinkofanything. You don't get to play preacher now.

[Chomag]

It's ilegal to bring a gun on school property. You also have to be 21 to own a gun, and the shooter was 20. I dont think it matters all that much to someone that is wanting to commit a criminal act what is or isnt ilegal

[johnsmith]

I haven't read this thread but I assume its mostly about gun control. I honestly think this event might be the straw that broke the camels back and this may be the start of way stricter gun laws.....

As an avid hunter and outdoorsman, as well as a huge proponent of gun ownership, I'm not even gonna argue it either.....this event scares me too much.....

[Two10Whitey]

Some fool on WOAI 1200 said this is the work of Satan and that there is no other explanation. Remember guy.. This is all apart of God's plan!!! We're gonna be okay!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Some fool on WOAI 1200 said this is the work of Satan and that there is no other explanation. Remember guy.. This is all apart of God's plan!!! We're gonna be okay!!!
I like the Mike Huckabee explanation better. According to him, god decided not to help a bunch of 5-6 year olds who I'm guessing have no political opinion on the matter because this country passed laws those kids had nothing to do with that doesn't allow prayer in public schools. Apparently god is an insecure sycophant who had the power to stop this but chose not to because public schools don't worship him enough and he's only gonna help those who worship him. And people wonder why atheism is growing.

But of course, leftist libtards are the only ones who cold heartedly use these tragedies as a political talking point.

[I. Hustle]

Oh shut the fuck up, you're the original cantthinkofanything. You don't get to play preacher now.

I'm not preaching. If this were about your favorite ice cream or if gays should be married then yes I would be right there with you. It's not though. It's about 5-7 year old kids that were murdered. It's about parents who lost their children, kids who saw their friends murdered and have to live with that for the rest of their lives, people who lost loved ones.

It was a horrible tragedy and I don't see how it opens the door clowning on each other or showing superiority over others.

[I. Hustle]

There was a sidebar that I responded to, counsel, it wasn't the main topic. There are three threads about this topic on spurstalk (two serious). Yes, I am sad about this happening too. I don't know a lot about gun laws, but I am learning more every time one of these things happens (learning curve is sharp since these incidents are happening with greater frequency). I think you are lumping me in with certain people with whom I don't belong because I agree on one thing.

Why there is even one that is NOT serious is beyond me.
This wasn't totally directed at you btw. I just can't help but thinking about what those kids must have seen. I didn't mean to lump you in with any group and for that I apologize.

[Drachen]

Why there is even one that is NOT serious is beyond me.
This wasn't totally directed at you btw. I just can't help but thinking about what those kids must have seen. I didn't mean to lump you in with any group and for that I apologize.

No problem, and honestly as I wrote in another thread (or maybe this one), it didn't hit me at all until what the kids saw was related in their own words (or second hand through their parents).

[I. Hustle]

Which of the other threads was supposed to be serious again?

[Drachen]

Which of the other threads was supposed to be serious again?

The non-official conspiracy one in the political forum.

[Wild Cobra]

Which of the other threads was supposed to be serious again?
The ones that do not say ***Official***.

Seriously... "Official."

LOL...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sleep/sleepy-smiley.gif

[irishock]

Regarding the disarming Americans thing... If I was to kill 20 kids I could use a chainsaw, an ax, a lawnmower and an acetylene torch and nobody could stop me. Sounds like Obomber is trying to tie this incident in to disarm us.

[mavs>spurs]

:lol the little british tea and crumpet eating fag ignoring the fact that his country has higher violent crime rate than mine and quickly pulling the homicide card. the reason the homicide rate here is higher is because the people who migrated here and risked their lives for prosperity and stood up to the tyrants in britain were some red blooded, no bullshitting motherfuckers who were bout it bout it and this country has always been pretty rowdy. i'd take 1/4 the amount of muggings, rapes, and robbers because those fuckers have to think twice about who they are fucking with rather than live in a domesticated society where the government rules our lives. but it's good you have your own opinions i guess, i mean it couldn't really be any other way. after all, if you were on my side odds are your ancestors would have migrated here to get away from tyranny long ago imho. that's the difference between me and you, my ancestors did something about it. took the better half of the gene pool with them, we prospered more than you guys did and still do.

[rascal]

It would be great if one of the gun control advocates here wanted to have a discussion on existing gun laws. Unfortunately, as you pointed out, none of them know existing gun laws. They also don't know anything about guns, so when they say certain guns shouldn't be legal to own, they cannot accurately define the gun and cannot tell you why it shouldn't be on in any terms that make sense to someone who does know guns. I even saw one person speak about how easy it is to get the "evil features" like forearm grips and sights that makes guns look so evil and cool. That was before it was known the shooter didn't use the Bushmaster .223.

I understand the feeling of frustration over these things, but information is out there and readily available to anyone who wants it. There's no excuse for being ignorant of the same laws you're trying to change.

No guns should be owned. Hunting should also be banned. Why do people get a thrill killing some animal? Unfortunately there are too many guns already in the country so nothing will change and these events will continue to happen.

I don't need to know anything about guns. I don't have one and will never have one.

[Lincoln]

I thought you were native bro

Are u mixed

[HI-FI]

Regarding the disarming Americans thing... If I was to kill 20 kids I could use a chainsaw, an ax, a lawnmower and an acetylene torch and nobody could stop me. Sounds like Obomber is trying to tie this incident in to disarm us.
like Obama's boy Rahm said, never let a crisis go to waste. that's what power hungry types do, exploit these situations. I also think his crying in his speech seemed fake, or at least overly dramatized.

as for this shooting, I hate to say it but i've become numb to this stuff. There's been so many, it's a growing epidemic and that is what disturbs me the most. This one is particularly horrible because of a mom being killed and a bunch of children, so it's basically the lowest of the fucking low. I just hope this guy was in fact some autistic head case because you really don't want to think a regular person could do this, but I never doubt the evil of humanity.

I still think the Columbine shocked me the most. I'm not sure if it was because I was just out of high school, or if it was because it was 2 sick fucks working together, which makes it even more disturbing. Also the fact that police hung around outside for a few hours while those 2 fags stalked and killed people, the fact that it went on for so long was horrible, and like i said, the fact that two people could agree to do such a thing instead of it being a lone bad person.

I haven't read up on the details of this shooting and tbh, I probably won't. All it does is put me in a dark place and nothing can be done about what happened.

[rascal]

Damn you dickless liberals are some domesticated pieces of work. 1776 is why you're free to do the things you want, such as watching while large black men plow your wife with dicks longer than the barrel of this dude's rifle. You'd just as soon turn in your freedom and become a slave because like everyone else in this country, we've gone soft. How quickly people forget, the founding fathers gave us the 2nd amendment because they had incredible foresight and wanted to avoid the tyranny they shed BLOOD to defeat. The only sacrifice you have to make on a daily basis is sacrificing sleep for more time for tv or vice versa..you've never studied history and don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You're only as free as you demand to be and people like you don't deserve to live free. You don't have the balls for it. PS - hitler was also for gun control, why don't you go fuck off my 2nd amendment.

You are a white guy who wants to be a black pimp. What a loser.

[mavs>spurs]

Why do people get a thrill killing some animal?

Idk why don't you ask yourself next time you eat a burger faggot.

[mavs>spurs]

You are a white guy who wants to be a black pimp. What a loser.

Says the guy who's become so domesticated and doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about that if people were like him in 1776 we'd all be sucking british cock. Fuck you, you're a treasonous traitor and a threat to my sovereignty. I'll fight fuckers like you with everything that I've got until something gives, people like you and me cannot coexist.

[leemajors]

No guns should be owned. Hunting should also be banned. Why do people get a thrill killing some animal? Unfortunately there are too many guns already in the country so nothing will change and these events will continue to happen.

I don't need to know anything about guns. I don't have one and will never have one.

Hunting is fairly necessary tbh, unless you want to drive over deer carcasses on your way to work.

[leemajors]

Ebert had some solid takes on the horrible way this was reported by the mass media:

http://kottke.org/12/12/roger-ebert-on-the-medias-coverage-of-school-shootings


Let me tell you a story. The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. "Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. "But what about 'Basketball Diaries'?" she asked. "Doesn't that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?" The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it's unlikely the Columbine killers saw it.

The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: If I shoot up my school, I can be famous. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."

In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.

[Koolaid_Man]

You muthafuckas must want the guns taken away. Atheist gun loving pretend to be crazy punk ass motherfuckers. Yeah I said it. Fuck all of you and your guns. Fuck the responsible gun owners too because all you need is a weak ass mental snap to turn irresponsible. Fucking bitches.

For as sad and tragic as this event is...I'm glad the shooter wasn't black or middle eastern....no telling where we'd be as a country if the shooter wasn't white...that being said this type of stuff happening is a direct result of white entitlement...these white boys grow up with a entitlement sense instilled in them by their white parents similar to how a lot of blacks grow up with victimization instilled in them by their parents...

white parents by and large don't discipline their kids, let them get away with all kinds of shit, and pretty much wink and nod at the notion of white privilege...that's why this keeps happening...some you may doubt what I' saying but just take Kool as an example...whether what I say is true or not most white people on this board scoff at the notion that Kool is a "financially independent" black guy (compliments of his parents) who is educated and is pretty much a playa and shot caller...it goes against the grain of white entitlement...and perceived notions of black reality...but it nonetheless proves my point...

when it's a white teen involved we're quick to want to blame it on inherent mental illness and seeking to have them committed to a mental institution where they can be studied and get help...but had these been black teens in all the recent shootings...trust me white America would be asking for the electric chair, gas chambers, and firing squads...if it was a middle eastern teen we'd round up all arabs and put them in internment camps. Look at John Lee Malvo he was black teen that was coerced into mass shootings when he was like 14...I didn't hear white America blaming his actions on mental illness...nope the was like "Get me a fucking rope"...

until white America stops coddling it's youth and enabling this type of entitlement and encouraging time-outs and discussions with their kids as opposed to good old fashioned ass whippings this shit will continue...next time you see a little kid in a store and he's punching his mother or cursing her out tell the parents: "Your kid needs his ass whipped."

[ploto]

I finally brought myself to watch a couple of minutes of coverage today.

Mother was not a teacher at the school.

Mom had a bunch of guns that she apparently taught her kids how to use. That is where he got all the guns.

Police have a lead on a motive but that has not yet been revealed that I saw.

There are now reports that someone had some sort of altercation at the school on Thursday and that three of the staff involved are among those killed.

[Huey Freeman]

For as sad and tragic as this event is...I'm glad the shooter wasn't black or middle eastern....no telling where we'd be as a country if the shooter wasn't white...that being said this type of stuff happening is a direct result of white entitlement...these white boys grow up with a entitlement sense instilled in them by their white parents similar to how a lot of blacks grow up with victimization instilled in them by their parents...

white parents by and large don't discipline their kids, let them get away with all kinds of shit, and pretty much wink and nod at the notion of white privilege...that's why this keeps happening...some you may doubt what I' saying but just take Kool as an example...whether what I say is true or not most white people on this board scoff at the notion that Kool is a "financially independent" black guy (compliments of his parents) who is educated and is pretty much a playa and shot caller...it goes against the grain of white entitlement...and perceived notions of black reality...but it nonetheless proves my point...

when it's a white teen involved we're quick to want to blame it on inherent mental illness and seeking to have them committed to a mental institution where they can be studied and get help...but had these been black teens in all the recent shootings...trust me white America would be asking for the electric chair, gas chambers, and firing squads...if it was a middle eastern teen we'd round up all arabs and put them in internment camps. Look at John Lee Malvo he was black teen that was coerced into mass shootings when he was like 14...I didn't hear white America blaming his actions on mental illness...nope the was like "Get me a fucking rope"...

until white America stops coddling it's youth and enabling this type of entitlement and encouraging time-outs and discussions with their kids as opposed to good old fashioned ass whippings this shit will continue...next time you see a little kid in a store and he's punching his mother or cursing her out tell the parents: "Your kid needs his ass whipped."

See man this what I am takin about. 20 babies were killed yesterday and here you go bringing up this dudes race like it means something. I grew up in a neighborhood which had predominantly African-Americans/ Puerto Ricans/Dominicans/ Jamaicans. As a kid I would hear gun shoots like all the fucking time. I unfortunately got the opportunity witness the ones shooting guns. Stop bringing up religion and race in this topic. Crazy ass bastards come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

[mFFL03]

Background check, 3 month wait, license and continued education classes, resident and immediate family background check, 5 year medical records, and hair folicle drug test

These should be the minimum standards to buy a gun.

[Huey Freeman]

Background check, 3 month wait, license and continued education classes, resident and immediate family background check, 5 year medical records, and hair folicle drug test

These should be the minimum standards to buy a gun.

Don't know about the family background checks. Isn't that a little unamerican?

[DMC]

No guns should be owned. Hunting should also be banned. Why do people get a thrill killing some animal? Unfortunately there are too many guns already in the country so nothing will change and these events will continue to happen.

I don't need to know anything about guns. I don't have one and will never have one.

You don't need to know anything but you have an opinion on them = douchebag.

That's ok though, you have a lot of douchebag company.

[DMC]

For as sad and tragic as this event is...I'm glad the shooter wasn't black or middle eastern....no telling where we'd be as a country if the shooter wasn't white...that being said this type of stuff happening is a direct result of white entitlement...these white boys grow up with a entitlement sense instilled in them by their white parents similar to how a lot of blacks grow up with victimization instilled in them by their parents...

white parents by and large don't discipline their kids, let them get away with all kinds of shit, and pretty much wink and nod at the notion of white privilege...that's why this keeps happening...some you may doubt what I' saying but just take Kool as an example...whether what I say is true or not most white people on this board scoff at the notion that Kool is a "financially independent" black guy (compliments of his parents) who is educated and is pretty much a playa and shot caller...it goes against the grain of white entitlement...and perceived notions of black reality...but it nonetheless proves my point...

when it's a white teen involved we're quick to want to blame it on inherent mental illness and seeking to have them committed to a mental institution where they can be studied and get help...but had these been black teens in all the recent shootings...trust me white America would be asking for the electric chair, gas chambers, and firing squads...if it was a middle eastern teen we'd round up all arabs and put them in internment camps. Look at John Lee Malvo he was black teen that was coerced into mass shootings when he was like 14...I didn't hear white America blaming his actions on mental illness...nope the was like "Get me a fucking rope"...

until white America stops coddling it's youth and enabling this type of entitlement and encouraging time-outs and discussions with their kids as opposed to good old fashioned ass whippings this shit will continue...next time you see a little kid in a store and he's punching his mother or cursing her out tell the parents: "Your kid needs his ass whipped."

BR called, wants his shtick back.

[FkLA]

Guns are bad.

[DMC]

Says the guy who's become so domesticated and doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about that if people were like him in 1776 we'd all be sucking british cock. Fuck you, you're a treasonous traitor and a threat to my sovereignty. I'll fight fuckers like you with everything that I've got until something gives, people like you and me cannot coexist.

Won't be hard, he's unarmed. He'll call an armed policeman at the drop of a hat though.

[DMC]

Guns are bad.

mmmkay

[DMC]

Background check, 3 month wait, license and continued education classes, resident and immediate family background check, 5 year medical records, and hair folicle drug test

These should be the minimum standards to buy a gun.
Then someone does all that and someone else gets their gun and shoots you in the face.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Just make it easier to get guns and people who try stupid shit like this will be killed quicker

[DMC]

Cool so you hate when people talk about their kids. I thought this thread was about the kids that were murdered. How that relates to newborn baby pics or kids with ice cream and cake all over their face is beyond me.
I'm a jerk, an ahole and usually insensitive person. However, my heart still breaks at reading about those poor kids. Why can't you guys take a break from trying to show how smart you are and how much you know about gun laws or how you are so important and everyone else is beneath you?
Sometimes this shit goes too far. I know I haven't always been on topic or very mature about some of the stuff on here but this isn't about somebody losing weight or showing off their calf tatts, this is a real tragedy.

Why don't you intervene when the first "gun control" comment comes up instead of waiting for the other side? It's always so easy to tell which side of an issue someone stands on, because they go out of their way to avoid confronting those who stand on the same side yet vainly attempt to make their statements appear to be a neutral plea.

Go fuck yourself.

[DMC]

Connecticut gun laws:

SUMMARY

The Connecticut Constitution (Article First, § 15) gives every citizen the right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state. But state law regulates firearm sales, use, and possession.
For regulatory purposes, the law classifies “firearms” into four groups: handguns (pistols and revolvers), long guns (rifles and shotguns), assault weapons, and machine guns. The degree of regulation depends on the type of firearm and, in some cases, the type of transaction (i.e., dealer sales as opposed to secondary or nondealer sales).
With minor exceptions, (1) anyone buying or otherwise acquiring a handgun in Connecticut, whether from a licensed gun dealer or an unlicensed person, must have an eligibility certificate or a permit to sell or carry handguns, and (2) anyone carrying a handgun (except in one's home or business) must have a permit to carry handguns. The credentials allow unlimited gun purchases. No permit or certificate is required to possess handguns in one's home or business.
Permit and certificate applicants must pass state and national criminal history record checks and meet other criteria in law, including, in the case of a carry permit, being deemed suitable to get a permit. Ineligible applicants include convicted felons, illegal aliens, and anyone (1) under age 21; (2) under a court protective or restraining order for using, attempting, or threatening to use force against someone; or (3) discharged into the community in the preceding 20 years after having been found not guilty of a crime by reason of mental disease or defect.

No permit or certificate is required to buy, possess, or carry long guns. But people cannot possess them, if they (1) were ever convicted of a felony or serious juvenile offense, (2) cannot legally possess firearms under federal law because they have been adjudicated as “mental defectives” or have been committed to a mental institution, or (3) know they are under a firearms seizure or restraining or protective order for using or threatening to use violence against someone else. State law sets no minimum age for possessing long guns.
Assault weapons are illegal. People cannot legally buy them or (with one minor exception) bring them into Connecticut. But people who owned assault weapons before October 1, 1993 and registered them with the Department of Public Safety (DPS) before October 1, 1994 can keep them, and dispose of them, under prescribed circumstances.
Machine guns must be registered with DPS within 24 hours after a person acquires them and annually thereafter.
The law regulates (1) handgun sales and transfers by dealers and nondealers and (2) long gun sales and transfers by dealers. It does not regulate secondary sales or transfers of long guns (i.e, nondealer transactions) except to a limited extent at gun shows. Among other things, the law prohibits regulated persons from selling or transferring a covered firearm unless they get a firearm transfer authorization number from DPS, which must conduct a national instant criminal history record check on the buyer to determine if he or she can legally possess firearms.
The law, with exceptions, prohibits carrying (1) firearms on school property, (2) firearms on Connecticut General Assembly property, (3) loaded handguns in a vehicle, and (4) handguns where barred by law or a property owner.
The law imposes criminal penalties on people who (1) store loaded firearms in a way that gives a minor under age 16 unauthorized access to them and (2) transfer handguns to minors under age 21, except as authorized at firing or shooting ranges.
Under limited circumstances and following specified procedures, law enforcement officials may get warrants and seize firearms from anyone posing an imminent risk of harming himself or someone else and a court may order the firearms held for up to one year.

(it goes on)

[Shastafarian]

Investigators have linked Ms. Lanza to five weapons: two handguns, a semiautomatic rifle and two traditional hunting rifles. Her son took the two handguns and the semiautomatic rifle to the school. Law-enforcement officials said they believed the guns were acquired lawfully and registered.

Good thing everything was done legally.

[symple19]

okayyyy... Guns were purchased legally and some whackjob took em' and offed a bunch of innocent people. Let's go ahead and attack the 2nd amendment yet again. Makes perfect sense.

Mental health is the issue here, people. Not guns

[Shastafarian]

I'm pretty sure the availability of weapons that can kill 20 people in a couple minutes is an issue here. By the way I don't see anything in the 2nd amendment about having the right to own such weapons. I guess we as a society should take advantage of vague statements made over 200 years ago.

[Latarian Milton]

amendment 2 is outdated just like the law that forbids immigrants to run for the president, is that what you liberals believe in? US constitution doesn't mean shit to those liberals and that's why they're more than glad to see someone who's not a legit US citizen take the job as US president tbh

[Koolaid_Man]

See man this what I am takin about. 20 babies were killed yesterday and here you go bringing up this dudes race like it means something. I grew up in a neighborhood which had predominantly African-Americans/ Puerto Ricans/Dominicans/ Jamaicans. As a kid I would hear gun shoots like all the fucking time. I unfortunately got the opportunity witness the ones shooting guns. Stop bringing up religion and race in this topic. Crazy ass bastards come in all shapes, sizes and colors.


If you had an ounce of intellectual capacity you'd understand where I'm coming from....race is important in these cases...it could literally mean the difference between a guilty white kid simply going to the looney bin or an all out civil war if the perpetrator was black. In none of these cases have I heard...NOT once...not once have I heard white America advocate for the death penalty...

Sure I understand babies were killed but we live in the real world and we deal with the real...well at least I do...am I sad these babies and others were killed? Absolutely...but at the same time sympathy, sorrow, grief, words of solace, lowering flags, none of that shit will change a gotdam thing...

you want to show your care and concern then support gun reform..support changing the laws...

[Koolaid_Man]

okayyyy... Guns were purchased legally and some whackjob took em' and offed a bunch of innocent people. Let's go ahead and attack the 2nd amendment yet again. Makes perfect sense.

Mental health is the issue here, people. Not guns


Kudos!!! You hit the nail on the head :toast

since mental health is the issue then reforming gun laws in this country is now more imperative than ever....

[Koolaid_Man]

I would gladly give up my AR15 to support my President

[mFFL03]

Then someone does all that and someone else gets their gun and shoots you in the face.

I'd be okay with that. I'm sure someone who has to go through a strenuous process like that isn't leaving their gun out on their coffee table or easily accessible.

[Huey Freeman]

If you had an ounce of intellectual capacity you'd understand where I'm coming from....race is important in these cases...it could literally mean the difference between a guilty white kid simply going to the looney bin or an all out civil war if the perpetrator was black. In none of these cases have I heard...NOT once...not once have I heard white America advocate for the death penalty...

Sure I understand babies were killed but we live in the real world and we deal with the real...well at least I do...am I sad these babies and others were killed? Absolutely...but at the same time sympathy, sorrow, grief, words of solace, lowering flags, none of that shit will change a gotdam thing...

you want to show your care and concern then support gun reform..support changing the laws...

Its not that I dont understand where your coming from. Its where your coming from is out of bounds right now. After a tragedy of this magnitude its classless to start preaching about "white entitlement" and the "black struggle". There is a time and place for everything. This isn't the time to start preaching the stuff you were talking about. That's all I'm trying to say.

[Huey Freeman]

Kool, if you are truly concerned about gun control please by all means write your local congressman or run for office or some shit.

[Koolaid_Man]

Its not that I dont understand where your coming from. Its where your coming from is out of bounds right now. After a tragedy of this magnitude its classes to start preaching about "white entitlement" and the "black struggle". There is a time and place for everything. This isn't the time to start preaching the stuff you were talking about. That's all I'm trying to say.


ohh I see you're one of the 10 Commandment sheeple...right and wrong? I'd agree with you if were talking about communicating directly with the victims families but that's not the case...I'm expressing an opinion that may not be in lock step with the school uniform crowd...just because you don't want your sensibilities offended only means to me you're sensitive...

just because you're afraid to discuss sensitive subjects at this time doesn't mean you care more about the victims....some of us are just more progressive / forward thinkers

[Koolaid_Man]

Kool, if you are truly concerned about gun control please by all means write your local congressman or run for office or some shit.

Dude you have no idea who my parents are....but yeah I will do that...:lol

[Clipper Nation]

Good thing everything was done legally.

Pretty sure stealing isn't legal, and that's how her son got the guns...

[Huey Freeman]

ohh I see you're one of the 10 Commandment sheeple...right and wrong? I'd agree with you if were talking about communicating directly with the victims families but that's not the case...I'm expressing an opinion that may not be in lock step with the school uniform crowd...just because you don't want your sensibilities offended only means to me you're sensitive...

just because you're afraid to discuss sensitive subjects at this time doesn't mean you care more about the victims....some of us are just more progressive / forward thinkers

Not offended at all.
You can even say I agree with some of your opinion. That being said, I'm not going to start a worthless rant about "white entitlement" on ST. If you truly feel what you feel do something about it. Be like Malcom X my brotha. Turn Muslim and start a cause or something, but dont waste your time typing a worthless post that not many here is going to take seriously.

[Shastafarian]

Pretty sure stealing isn't legal, and that's how her son got the guns...

:rollin

[Koolaid_Man]

Not offended at all.
You can even say I agree with some of your opinion. That being said, I'm not going to start a worthless rant about "white entitlement" on ST. If you truly feel what you feel do something about. Be like Malcom X my brotha. Turn Muslim and start a cause or something, but dont waste your time typing a worthless post that not many here is going to take seriously.

^ if they gave me the 77 Virgins before I died then maybe...just know that I'm right about this and you're wrong...par for the course

[Avante]

We are always going to have sicko's, we've always had sicko's. It ain't got a damn thing to do with hand guns or rifles, yes nobody other than the military/police needs a bazooka (you know what I mean). Yes some weapons do need to be outlawed, who really needs a hand granade?

But...

We need a gun in the home, and always have. It's too bad that's how it is but that's how it is. I worked nights for years, my family at home alone with no way to protect themselves, not a good thought. Yes Judy could shoot a gun and would.

My daughter is married to a guy who has some cousins who belong in the biggest gang in town. They have illegal weapons, all I'd have to do is talk to my son in law and...bingo!...just that easy. How many of you reading this could also get your hands on an illegal weapon? That's where we are today. So it comes down to how many sicko's do we have out there?

[Wild Cobra]

^ if they gave me the 77 Virgins before I died then maybe...just know that I'm right about this and you're wrong...par for the course
They are clones, but here are your 77 virgins:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/77Virgins.jpg (http://wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?75015-Saudi-cleric-extols-the-72-virgins-of-paradise&p=1261384&viewfull=1#post1261384)

[johnsmith]

We are always going to have sicko's, we've always had sicko's. It aint got a damn thing to do with hand guns or rifles, yes nobody other than the military/police need an bazooka (you know what I mean). Yes some weapons do need to be outlawed, who really needs a hand granade?

We need a gun in the home, and always have. It's too bad that's how it is but that['s how it is. I worked nights for years, my family at home alone with no way to protect themselves, not a good thought.

My daughter is married to a guy who has some cousins who belong in the biggest gang in town. They have illegal weapons, all I'd have to do is talk to my son in law and...bingo!...just that easy. How many of you reading this could also get your hands on an illegal weapon? That's where we are today. So it comes down to how many sicko's do we have out there?


You don't have a daughter you liar.

[Avante]

How long are you people going to put up with this guy?

[Huey Freeman]

^ if they gave me the 77 Virgins before I died then maybe...just know that I'm right about this and you're wrong...par for the course

What am I wrong about here? Keep in mind I said nothing against your argument. All I said was this wasn't the right time and place to make it. I dont think Farrakhan is a member on ST dude. Majority of the contributors on this forum are young to middle aged white guys. They are not taking your rant seriously bro. How much time did you waste writing that post Kool? 10? 20 minutes?

[johnsmith]

How long are you people going to put up with this guy?

I've been posting here for years....guess how many times I've been pinked....yup, zero....guess how many threads have been started asking for my banishment, yup, zero....


Get the fuck out of our forum you f'ing clown....everyone fucking hates your ass hiding behind your keyboard running your mouth like a bitch.

[DMC]

I'd be okay with that. I'm sure someone who has to go through a strenuous process like that isn't leaving their gun out on their coffee table or easily accessible.

lol ok

[I. Hustle]

Why don't you intervene when the first "gun control" comment comes up instead of waiting for the other side? It's always so easy to tell which side of an issue someone stands on, because they go out of their way to avoid confronting those who stand on the same side yet vainly attempt to make their statements appear to be a neutral plea.

Go fuck yourself.

Both sides are idiots. Just because I jump in now doesn't mean I agree with one set of douche bags over the other set of douche bags.

[AussieFanKurt]

I'm glad I live somewhere where guns are not necessary, apparently the city I live is one of the safest in Australia.

Don't actually know anyone who has a gun or anyone who's been in a situation where a gun would be necessary

[DMC]

Both sides are idiots. Just because I jump in now doesn't mean I agree with one set of douche bags over the other set of douche bags.

You tipped your hand already. You bypassed the gun control crowd to focus on the "learn existing gun laws" crowd, douche bag.

[DMC]

I'm glad I live somewhere where guns are not necessary, apparently the city I live is one of the safest in Australia.

Don't actually know anyone who has a gun or anyone who's been in a situation where a gun would be necessary

Do your cops carry guns?

[AussieFanKurt]

Do your cops carry guns?

Sorry I should have classified, I don't know anyone other than authority with guns

[DMC]

Sorry I should have classified, I don't know anyone other than authority with guns

So then guns are necessary where you live, they just won't let you have one because penal colonists aren't to be trusted with a gun, but some fat toothless prick named Donk with a badge, he's ok.

[AussieFanKurt]

So then guns are necessary where you live, they just won't let you have one because penal colonists aren't to be trusted with a gun, but some fat toothless prick named Donk with a badge, he's ok.

I'm obviously talking about the common joe not needing guns.. cops in every place on earth have guns, doesn't mean everywhere is dangerous

[DMC]

I'm obviously talking about the common joe not needing guns.. cops in every place on earth have guns, doesn't mean everywhere is dangerous

Sure it does. Why would they carry guns otherwise? Just cosmetics?

Places aren't dangerous, people are. What prevents dangerous people from coming to your area?

[Clipper Nation]

I've been posting here for years....guess how many times I've been pinked....yup, zero....guess how many threads have been started asking for my banishment, yup, zero....


Get the fuck out of our forum you f'ing clown....everyone fucking hates your ass hiding behind your keyboard running your mouth like a bitch.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/364741/robinlopez_medium.gif

[AussieFanKurt]

Sure it does. Why would they carry guns otherwise? Just cosmetics?

Places aren't dangerous, people are. What prevents dangerous people from coming to your area?

“In Australia in 1996, a mass killing of 35 people galvanized the nation’s conservative prime minister to ban certain rapid-fire long guns. The “national firearms agreement,” as it was known, led to the buyback of 650,000 guns and to tighter rules for licensing and safe storage of those remaining in public hands. The law did not end gun ownership in Australia. It reduced the number of firearms in private hands by one-fifth, and they were the kinds most likely to be used in mass shootings. In the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings — but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect. The murder rate with firearms has dropped by more than 40 percent, according to data compiled by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and the suicide rate with firearms has dropped by more than half.” - NYTimes

[AussieFanKurt]

I don't really even care either way about guns, I'm just sayin

[Koolaid_Man]

What am I wrong about here? Keep in mind I said nothing against your argument. All I said was this wasn't the right time and place to make it. I dont think Farrakhan is a member on ST dude. Majority of the contributors on this forum are young to middle aged white guys. They are not taking your rant seriously bro. How much time did you waste writing that post Kool? 10? 20 minutes?

:lol Difference between me and you is I don't have to think about what I type because the thoughts are already in my mental bank vault..and have been for years....given my quick wit, mental proficiencies, and debate superiority in all honesty I'd say it took me less than 2min ..in your quest to convince me that you're competent you seem to like to make my arguments for me.:lol..those young to middle aged white guys that you mention are exactly who I'm counseling. I don't want then to take it seriously I want them to project anger at the truth..that's all....:lol

and please if you want to show me how smart you are you may wanna stop name dropping Farrakhan...never been a fan of his especially after studying the death of Malcolm X. ;-)

you're ok Huey but this back and forth with the entity known as Kool will only expose just how far behind the intellectual curve you are....

don't let it stop you from challenging me though..it's actually how you'll learn....just like how I taught midget about the US tax code and accounting principals.....midget started out haughty as well be he eventually took his ass whupping and thanked me...I expect no less from you...:toast and especially since you're a black dude.. ;-)

[Bender]

:lol wtf is the story behind this gif?



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[Trill Clinton]

guns aren't bad.

just keep them out of the hands of socially awkward white males.

[Koolaid_Man]

guns aren't bad.

just keep them out of the hands of socially awkward white males.


they're socially awkward because they never learned how to masturbate properly...that's where it all begins...if they learned how to jerk off right early on..it would lead to sexual confidence when dealing with Ho's...that would lead to a robust social life...and the only thing they'd think about shooting is that jizz up in that pussy....all roads eventually lead back to sex...:toast

in fact if you read the bible you'll find out that Adam sold mankind into sin and death over some ass....a piece of Eve's ass :lol

[Trill Clinton]

they're socially awkward because they never learned how to masturbate properly...that's where it all begins...if they learned how to jerk off right early on..it would lead to sexual confidence when dealing with Ho's...that would lead to a robust social life...and the only thing they'd think about shooting is that jizz up in that pussy....all roads eventually lead back to sex...:toast

in fact if you read the bible you'll find out that Adam sold mankind into sin and death over some ass....a piece of Eve's ass :lol
i think its deeper than sex.

no homo but i'm sure they go HAM on their dicks.

the SAWM also tends to be hyper sexualized and into small children. a lot of child molesters and perverts are SAWM.

the SAWM, when pushed to his breaking point, will react in a senselss act(s) of violence or assualt chidren.

its their way of getting back at society. they blame society for everything.

[cantthinkofanything]

:lol wtf is the story behind this gif?



http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/364741/robinlopez_medium.gif

Some fan threw a piece of fried chicken on the court. Lopez was conflicted but he was making sure players didn't leave the bench.

[Shastafarian]

:lol wtf is the story behind this gif?



http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/364741/robinlopez_medium.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD3mEBEMlBM

[Koolaid_Man]

i think its deeper than sex.

no homo but i'm sure they go HAM on their dicks.

the SAWM also tends to be hyper sexualized and into small children. a lot of child molesters and perverts are SAWM.

the SAWM, when pushed to his breaking point, will react in a senselss act(s) of violence or assualt chidren.

its their way of getting back at society. they blame society for everything.


that is deep....*but they go hard not only on their dicks but their ASSHOLES as well....you've taught me something this morning Trill...The definition of the Socially Awkward White Male or SAWM...

You on point homie :toast...but had this been a black dude that done this..I truly believe we'd be on the verge of a civil/race war...


*for the record I think 90% of ST posters are SAWM's...:lol

[Cochina]

guns aren't bad.

just keep them out of the hands of socially awkward white males.



You on point homie :toast...but had this been a black dude that done this..I truly believe we'd be on the verge of a civil/race war...


*for the record I think 90% of ST posters are SAWM's...:lol


I say 40% homie! Viva la Raza!

[Relevancy]

I say 40% homie! Viva la Raza!Cochina, eres una mujer tipica que le apesta el culo cuando suda?

[Cochina]

Cochina, eres una mujer tipica que le apesta el culo cuando suda?

Cierra la boca sucia culo!

[DMC]

“In Australia in 1996, a mass killing of 35 people galvanized the nation’s conservative prime minister to ban certain rapid-fire long guns. The “national firearms agreement,” as it was known, led to the buyback of 650,000 guns and to tighter rules for licensing and safe storage of those remaining in public hands. The law did not end gun ownership in Australia. It reduced the number of firearms in private hands by one-fifth, and they were the kinds most likely to be used in mass shootings. In the 18 years before the law, Australia suffered 13 mass shootings — but not one in the 14 years after the law took full effect. The murder rate with firearms has dropped by more than 40 percent, according to data compiled by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and the suicide rate with firearms has dropped by more than half.” - NYTimes

Odd then that your police officers are armed. Disarm the populace, arm the government. Great plan. Wonder how that plays out.

Also, lol @ "murder rate with firearms". Murder is murder.

I wanted to spend less money so I saw that I spent most of my money on fishing equipment. I stopped buying fishing equipment. Now my fishing equipment expenditures are nothing, but boy you should see how my hunting equipment stash has grown.

[Chomag]

Yes because making drugs illegal has worked so well...

Like I said earlier, someone who wants to commit a criminal act could care less if it's illegal.

Also trusting our government to be our sole protectors is so "LOL" worthy.

[mavs>spurs]

Odd then that your police officers are armed. Disarm the populace, arm the government. Great plan. Wonder how that plays out.

Also, lol @ "murder rate with firearms". Murder is murder.

I wanted to spend less money so I saw that I spent most of my money on fishing equipment. I stopped buying fishing equipment. Now my fishing equipment expenditures are nothing, but boy you should see how my hunting equipment stash has grown.

:lmao this one is gonna sail right over heads etc

[DAF86]

Believe what you want but it's no coincidence that this happens more in countries like the USA where any retarded fuck can have a gun.

[mavs>spurs]

nah asians actually started this fad of mass killings at childrens schools imho and last i checked their emperors still rule their little chodes and won't allow them to have a gun or a dick over 4 inches

[DMC]

Believe what you want but it's no coincidence that this happens more in countries like the USA where any retarded fuck can have a gun.

No, it happens more in countries like the USA because we aren't 99% European. We are a mixture of races and cultures, we aren't a member of the EU. Comparing us to Australia is like apples and oranges. Until recently they regarded their Aborigines as animals and they couldn't even get a passport. They are still heavily influenced by Britain, which means they revere the monarchy that their forefathers served. They are one red fat fucking slimy pussy hair from complete socialism.

Many many more people die in car accidents, and are hit by drunk drivers. Shouldn't we ban alcohol again? It's so easy to get, shouldn't we have to go through classes to get it? Shouldn't we need a special permit to have a beer?

How about fertilizer, do we need a permit to buy it? What's to stop us from blowing up another federal building? It's obviously the access to these things that's the problem. 130 people killed in an instant.

What was the outrage? Can we not rent trucks now?

The truth is people want someone to kill, but the kid killed himself. Ergo they want to attack the next best thing, our Constitutional rights.

[DAF86]

No, it happens more in countries like the USA because we aren't 99% European. We are a mixture of races and cultures, we aren't a member of the EU. Comparing us to Australia is like apples and oranges. Until recently they regarded their Aborigines as animals and they couldn't even get a passport. They are still heavily influenced by Britain, which means they revere the monarchy that their forefathers served. They are one red fat fucking slimy pussy hair from complete socialism.

What does any of that have to do with Socialism?

What about countries in South America that are also a mix of cultures and races?


Many many more people die in car accidents, and are hit by drunk drivers. Shouldn't we ban alcohol again? It's so easy to get, shouldn't we have to go through classes to get it? Shouldn't we need a special permit to have a beer?

How about fertilizer, do we need a permit to buy it? What's to stop us from blowing up another federal building? It's obviously the access to these things that's the problem. 130 people killed in an instant.

What was the outrage? Can we not rent trucks now?

The truth is people want someone to kill, but the kid killed himself. Ergo they want to attack the next best thing, our Constitutional rights.


It's harder for ocasional looneys to mass murder people with alcohol and cars than guns.

[TDMVPDPOY]

apparently the mother was earning 200k alimony payments each year since 08...shit why do you even need a job...

[DMX7]

Yes because making drugs illegal has worked so well...

Like I said earlier, someone who wants to commit a criminal act could care less if it's illegal.

Also trusting our government to be our sole protectors is so "LOL" worthy.

We should make murder legal. If somebody wants to murder badly enough, then they could care less if it's legal or not.

[TDMVPDPOY]

they should make euthanasia legal, if ppl want to end their lives, then let them....instead of going out guns blazing innocent victims

[Fernando TD21]

Yes because making drugs illegal has worked so well...

Like I said earlier, someone who wants to commit a criminal act could care less if it's illegal.

Also trusting our government to be our sole protectors is so "LOL" worthy.
You do realize that it's not the law itself that would prevent these people from committing crimes, but the fact that it would be harder for them to obtain the weapons, right?

You mentioned drugs. Even in places where drugs are illegal, people still can have access to it. But obviously if drugs were legal there would be more people going after it.

[Wild Cobra]

they should make euthanasia legal, if ppl want to end their lives, then let them....instead of going out guns blazing innocent victims
All they have to do is come to my state. We have legal, assisted suicide here.

[SA210]

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/397109_399393260141172_1394375004_n.jpg

[Shastafarian]

No, it happens more in countries like the USA because we aren't 99% European. We are a mixture of races and cultures, we aren't a member of the EU. Comparing us to Australia is like apples and oranges. Until recently they regarded their Aborigines as animals and they couldn't even get a passport. They are still heavily influenced by Britain, which means they revere the monarchy that their forefathers served. They are one red fat fucking slimy pussy hair from complete socialism.

Many many more people die in car accidents, and are hit by drunk drivers. Shouldn't we ban alcohol again? It's so easy to get, shouldn't we have to go through classes to get it? Shouldn't we need a special permit to have a beer?

How about fertilizer, do we need a permit to buy it? What's to stop us from blowing up another federal building? It's obviously the access to these things that's the problem. 130 people killed in an instant.

What was the outrage? Can we not rent trucks now?

The truth is people want someone to kill, but the kid killed himself. Ergo they want to attack the next best thing, our Constitutional rights.

Interesting. Let's hear some alternate uses for a semi-automatic pistol or rifle. Because if they have alternate, not killing or severely harming purposes, then they should be legal.

:lol fertilizer. I heard one idiot say "Obesity is a huge problem. Should we outlaw spoons?"

[The Reckoning]

unless you use the wrong type of shit like that guy did at times square :lol

[The Reckoning]

All they have to do is come to my state. We have legal, assisted suicide here.

aussies are 10 years behind. theyre usually wrong on all facts and accounts.

[The Reckoning]

Interesting. Let's hear some alternate uses for a semi-automatic pistol or rifle. Because if they have alternate, not killing or severely harming purposes, then they should be legal.

:lol fertilizer. I heard one idiot say "Obesity is a huge problem. Should we outlaw spoons?"

i use a semi-auto sks for hog hunting.

[Shastafarian]

i use a semi-auto sks for hog hunting.

Right so killing purposes. Do you NEED to use it? What would you, or anyone else, lose by having semi-automatic weapons banned? I say we stick to the true meaning of the second amendment and only weapons from the late 1700's should be legal.

[The Reckoning]

You mentioned drugs. Even in places where drugs are illegal, people still can have access to it. But obviously if drugs were legal there would be more people going after it.

logical fallacy. people who supply what others are after (usually pot) often hard sell more dangerous drugs.

and :lol someone in brazil talking about how to prevent crime :lol

[The Reckoning]

Right so killing purposes. Do you NEED to use it? What would you, or anyone else, lose by having semi-automatic weapons banned? I say we stick to the true meaning of the second amendment and only weapons from the late 1700's should be legal.

obviously you dont know the severity of the hog problem in the south texas agricultural industry

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/A-Plague-of-Pigs-in-Texas.html

[DMC]

Interesting. Let's hear some alternate uses for a semi-automatic pistol or rifle. Because if they have alternate, not killing or severely harming purposes, then they should be legal.

Since they aren't being used daily to kill, I'd say they must have alternate uses. If their only purpose is to kill, then they are likely the most underutilized products on the planet, right next to the treadmill on Avante's porch.



:lol fertilizer. I heard one idiot say "Obesity is a huge problem. Should we outlaw spoons?"

Maybe then you and a few others here could construct a rational argument that doesn't invoke ignorance and baseless fear, instead of using well worn out and long ago debunked fallacious reasoning and parroted lib talk.

If you can do that, if you can show me how existing gun laws were followed and these things still happened, how a semi-automatic weapon becomes more evil because it has a sling, a bayonet lug, a forearm grip, a retractable stock or a Red Dot sight, and if you can even remotely classify weapons properly instead of referring to everything in improper terms, then we can have a real debate and I might learn something from you. Right now all any of you anti-gun people are doing is copying each other and hiding behind group ignorance. A couple of you even openly admitted you know nothing of guns or gun laws, but you want them changed.

Work on that and get back to me.

[DMC]

Right so killing purposes. Do you NEED to use it? What would you, or anyone else, lose by having semi-automatic weapons banned? I say we stick to the true meaning of the second amendment and only weapons from the late 1700's should be legal.

Same then with the 1st Amendment. No internet freedom of speech, no right to peacefully assemble on Wall Street since it didn't exist. No cell phone privacy, no search and seizure laws since you now have a home alarm, and "secure in your person" cannot stand because no one from those days is still alive.. Let's not stop there. No due process unless you're accused of a crime that was even possible in the 1700's.

Still want to be stupid?

How about a change of terms? Right to bear arms, just change the definition of "arms".

Good luck getting states to ratify any of that. Most of you have no idea how the Constitution works, what it does, how hard it is to change an article. There have been like what, 27 changes in 200 years. Most of those were to compromise to get states to ratify the Constitution itself, and only prohibition was eliminated. The BoR historically is about freedoms, not restrictions.

[DMC]

they should make euthanasia legal, if ppl want to end their lives, then let them....instead of going out guns blazing innocent victims
Uh, don't know how to tell you this nose picker, but euthanasia is the killing of someone else, not of yourself.

[DMC]

You do realize that it's not the law itself that would prevent these people from committing crimes, but the fact that it would be harder for them to obtain the weapons, right?

You mentioned drugs. Even in places where drugs are illegal, people still can have access to it. But obviously if drugs were legal there would be more people going after it.

Why would it be harder? Oh that's right, because of the law. Are you saying people will commit crimes even if it's illegal to do so? The reasoning on this forum is breathtaking.

[Fernando TD21]

Why would it be harder? Oh that's right, because of the law. Are you saying people will commit crimes even if it's illegal to do so? The reasoning on this forum is breathtaking.
I was pointing out Chomag's post about how the law wouldn't prevent the crimes because people who want to commit these crimes will ignore the law. It's obvious that the law won't stop these people but it would make it harder for them to commit such crimes. How hard is it to understand that more strict laws = smaller chances that someone will be able to get their hands on certain weapons and therefore will be less murders coming from those weapons.


logical fallacy. people who supply what others are after (usually pot) often hard sell more dangerous drugs.

and :lol someone in brazil talking about how to prevent crime :lol
Your comment has nothing to do with what I said. I said that if drugs were legal, there would be more people going after them. If certain weapons were illegal, there would be less people with said weapons. Less guns around = smaller chances of death caused by those guns.


and :lol someone in brazil talking about how to prevent crime :lol
Indeed "The reasoning on this forum is breathtaking."

[Shastafarian]

obviously you dont know the severity of the hog problem in the south texas agricultural industry

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/A-Plague-of-Pigs-in-Texas.html :lol Though I can guess there are better ways of controlling said problem without keeping those type weapons legal.


Since they aren't being used daily to kill, I'd say they must have alternate uses. If their only purpose is to kill, then they are likely the most underutilized products on the planet, right next to the treadmill on Avante's porch.WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATE USES?



Maybe then you and a few others here could construct a rational argument that doesn't invoke ignorance and baseless fear, instead of using well worn out and long ago debunked fallacious reasoning and parroted lib talk.

If you can do that, if you can show me how existing gun laws were followed and these things still happened, how a semi-automatic weapon becomes more evil because it has a sling, a bayonet lug, a forearm grip, a retractable stock or a Red Dot sight, and if you can even remotely classify weapons properly instead of referring to everything in improper terms, then we can have a real debate and I might learn something from you. Right now all any of you anti-gun people are doing is copying each other and hiding behind group ignorance. A couple of you even openly admitted you know nothing of guns or gun laws, but you want them changed.

Work on that and get back to me.The issue is I don't need to. Semi-automatic weapons can have a higher fire rate than other guns - true or false? Banning them really doesn't take away anything from the people who already own them. You lose nothing except a shiny toy to kill things with. If banning semi-automatic weapons saves 1 life, isn't that enough? And it has been documented that such bans DO reduce gun related deaths. Please tell me why you need such a gun. I'm willing to hear rational arguments instead of "you don't know anything about guns therefor you know nothing about the issue."


Same then with the 1st Amendment. No internet freedom of speech, no right to peacefully assemble on Wall Street since it didn't exist. No cell phone privacy, no search and seizure laws since you now have a home alarm, and "secure in your person" cannot stand because no one from those days is still alive.. Let's not stop there. No due process unless you're accused of a crime that was even possible in the 1700's.Which is why our lovely government has the ability to CHANGE laws. Only gun enthusiasts won't allow it. My point with that statement was emphasize that when the 2nd amendment was adopted they had NO IDEA what kinds of killing machines would be invented. You honestly think if the founders were alive today they'd approve of citizens owning weapons that can kill FELLOW CITIZENS so easily?


Still want to be stupid?I'm only following your lead


How about a change of terms? Right to bear arms, just change the definition of "arms".

Good luck getting states to ratify any of that. Most of you have no idea how the Constitution works, what it does, how hard it is to change an article. There have been like what, 27 changes in 200 years. Most of those were to compromise to get states to ratify the Constitution itself, and only prohibition was eliminated. The BoR historically is about freedoms, not restrictions.
So because it's difficult we shouldn't do it. I like your thinking!

[DMC]

:lol Though I can guess there are better ways of controlling said problem without keeping those type weapons legal.

WHAT ARE THE ALTERNATE USES?


The issue is I don't need to. Semi-automatic weapons can have a higher fire rate than other guns - true or false? Banning them really doesn't take away anything from the people who already own them. You lose nothing except a shiny toy to kill things with. If banning semi-automatic weapons saves 1 life, isn't that enough? And it has been documented that such bans DO reduce gun related deaths. Please tell me why you need such a gun. I'm willing to hear rational arguments instead of "you don't know anything about guns therefor you know nothing about the issue."

Which is why our lovely government has the ability to CHANGE laws. Only gun enthusiasts won't allow it. My point with that statement was emphasize that when the 2nd amendment was adopted they had NO IDEA what kinds of killing machines would be invented. You honestly think if the founders were alive today they'd approve of citizens owning weapons that can kill FELLOW CITIZENS so easily?

I'm only following your lead


So because it's difficult we shouldn't do it. I like your thinking!

When someone feels the urge to learn about what they're talking about, let me know. Opinions are a dime a dozen, and uneducated ones are not marketable.

[DMC]

I was pointing out Chomag's post about how the law wouldn't prevent the crimes because people who want to commit these crimes will ignore the law. It's obvious that the law won't stop these people but it would make it harder for them to commit such crimes. How hard is it to understand that more strict laws = smaller chances that someone will be able to get their hands on certain weapons and therefore will be less murders coming from those weapons.

There are already laws that are being broken. Laws don't make it harder to commit crimes. What you are saying, basically, is that by punishing the law abiding citizen, there could be some trickle down punishment to the criminals.


Your comment has nothing to do with what I said. I said that if drugs were legal, there would be more people going after them. If certain weapons were illegal, there would be less people with said weapons. Less guns around = smaller chances of death caused by those guns.

If drugs were legal people wouldn't be getting shot over them. Making them illegal creates a black market for them. Maybe you need to research prohibition. Yeah no one went after alcohol when it was illegal. No crime was caused by that market opening up.


Indeed "The reasoning on this forum is breathtaking."
The education leaves a lot to be desired, but the urge to preach unlearned sermons is astounding.

[Shastafarian]

When someone feels the urge to learn about what they're talking about, let me know. Opinions are a dime a dozen, and uneducated ones are not marketable.

Haha ok ignore everything else even though I know what a semiautomatic weapon is and why they should be banned. Must be convenient to refuse to answer questions from people you deem uninformed. Lucky I guess eh?

[cantthinkofanything]

Haha ok ignore everything else even though I know what a semiautomatic weapon is and why they should be banned. Must be convenient to refuse to answer questions from people you deem uninformed. Lucky I guess eh?

ok, let's hear it in your own words.

What's a semiautomatic weapon?
Why should they be banned?

[DMC]

Haha ok ignore everything else even though I know what a semiautomatic weapon is and why they should be banned. Must be convenient to refuse to answer questions from people you deem uninformed. Lucky I guess eh?
Please, the floor is yours. (here's me giving you enough rope)

[cantthinkofanything]

Please, the floor is yours. (here's me giving you enough rope)

Wikipedia must be down.

[DMC]

Wikipedia must be down.

Or he's donating.

[cantthinkofanything]

yep....you're right

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_rifle#Mechanisms


Recoil operated Main article: Recoil operation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoil_operation)
Recoil-operated arms operate similarly to blowback arms, except that the bolt is mechanically locked or "delayed" in some manner at the moment of firing. In some designs, the barrel is locked to the bolt and travels a short distance rearward with it until it unlocks, allowing the bolt to continue rearward in its cycle. In other systems, the bolt is delayed by spring-loaded rollers. The delay function allows higher-powered chamberings, since it ensures that chamber pressures have dropped to a safe level before the breech opens.
These guns shoot really really fast and look scary. Many educated Spurstalk posters think they should be banned.

[DMC]

lLk1v5bSFPw

Not a semiauto.

[Shastafarian]

I was on a date. But you guys were close! A semiautomatic weapon, in my mind, is a weapon that can be primed to fire multiple rounds without having to adjust the ammo input. Fire rate is higher than other guns. They are more deadly than say, a flint lock pistol. They should be banned BECAUSE THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE. They only do MORE harm than other, legitimate self defense or recreational weapons. Is that good enough or should I become a gun nut just so I can tell someone I've never met what a semi-automatic weapon REALLY is?

[Shastafarian]

It's nice to know we have such intelligent and well spoken folks supporting our right to blow things away without discretion on the interwebs.
"wikipedia must be down" <-- I chuckled

If I'm wrong in my perception of things please enlighten me. Unlike some other people here I'm all for learning new things. I also respond to questions posed in my general direction.

[Koolaid_Man]

Children of all races always respond well to President Obama. How children act around a stranger tells you as much about the stranger as about the children themselves. I love how comfortable little children are with our president. He is such a good man, and if we aren't, WE SHOULD BE so proud to have a person like him as our president.

What a precious picture..It goes to show that racists aren't born they are bred....Stop the madness folks

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/Obamakids.jpg

[DMC]

I was on a date. But you guys were close! A semiautomatic weapon, in my mind, is a weapon that can be primed to fire multiple rounds without having to adjust the ammo input. Fire rate is higher than other guns. They are more deadly than say, a flint lock pistol. They should be banned BECAUSE THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE. They only do MORE harm than other, legitimate self defense or recreational weapons. Is that good enough or should I become a gun nut just so I can tell someone I've never met what a semi-automatic weapon REALLY is?

So you just repeated yourself and that's somehow an explanation?

I am not going to educate you on guns. You might shoot someone.

[Huey Freeman]

Children of all races always respond well to President Obama. How children act around a stranger tells you as much about the stranger as about the children themselves. I love how comfortable little children are with our president. He is such a good man, and if we aren't, WE SHOULD BE so proud to have a person like him as our president.

What a precious picture..It goes to show that racists aren't born they are bred....Stop the madness folks

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/Obamakids.jpg

Shut yo ass up nigga

[Fernando TD21]

There are already laws that are being broken.
I never said there wasn't.


Laws don't make it harder to commit crimes.
I already explained how laws can decrease the amount of crimes involving guns by making it more difficult for the criminal to acquire guns.


What you are saying, basically, is that by punishing the law abiding citizen, there could be some trickle down punishment to the criminals.
I'll say again that my original post was made to point out that what Chomag said was inaccurate. Of course the criminal won't mind breaking the law, but with the law making it harder for him to acquire guns, there is a smaller chance of him committing crimes with those guns.


If drugs were legal people wouldn't be getting shot over them. Making them illegal creates a black market for them. Maybe you need to research prohibition. Yeah no one went after alcohol when it was illegal. No crime was caused by that market opening up.
Obviously if guns were illegal there would be a black market for it. This doesn't mean the problems associated to that black market would be bigger than the problems that already exist. Maybe you should read what I said, because I didn't say to ban all the guns. So I doubt the demand for the banned guns would be that high. Unlike drugs, people usually don't get addicted to guns.


The education leaves a lot to be desired, but the urge to preach unlearned sermons is astounding.
That doesn't surprise me.

[Shastafarian]

So then you have made a couple of assertions:Your use of "assertion" is incorrect. I never stated my opinion forcefully or with great confidence in the accuracy. See how annoying that is? ;)


1. You attempted to define the term "semiauto" (wrongly).
2. You claim that, since the gun "serves no purpose", it should be banned.

A revolver doesn't need ammo adjustment (lol flintlock). It's not a semi-auto. The semi auto chambers the next round through the gas release of the shell while the revolver has a moving chamber containing a round that's actuated by the finger pull on the trigger. I apologize that my terminology isn't adequate enough for you. I know you really enjoy showing off how much you know about guns, but one doesn't need to be an expert to see the difference between a semi-automatic weapon that has an INCREASED FIRE RATE and something that shoots less frequently. My point about a flintlock is that guess what, that's what they used when they crafted the 2nd amendment. I'd be fine with those weapons being legal because you could probably only take down one kid before someone tackled you. Why? Because it takes forever to reload a flintlock pistol and shoot again. But you were too dumb to understand my point. My bad.


You are wrong in your definition of the semi-auto.You already said that. You're firing off the same point like it was a...shit I don't know guns gimme a hand with this simile.


You have to resort to hyperbole "gun nut" in an attempt to excuse yourself of your own ignorance of the gun aspect of the gun debate, yet you still think your opinion means something. My opinion does mean something because I, like you, have a vote. I also have brain and heart, two things I think you might be lacking.


I am not here to teach you how to argue what no one invited you to debate. Know your subject matter or shut your pie hole. :rollin how convenient for you yet again.

[Shastafarian]

So you just repeated yourself and that's somehow an explanation?

I am not going to educate you on guns. You might shoot someone.

Nice edit but I already replied to your first post. Whoops! :tu

[Koolaid_Man]

Shut yo ass up nigga

^ you had to edit a post just to say that....:lol you're bright indeed

[Huey Freeman]

^ you had to edit a post just to say that....:lol you're bright indeed

tbh I forgot to put the word "ass".
I still stand by the post tho

[Shastafarian]

Why should semi-automatic weapons be legal? I'd like to hear it in your own words. Unless wikipedia is down :lol

I really enjoy when people talk smack when others don't respond right away. Reminds me I have a life haha

[DMC]

Your use of "assertion" is incorrect. I never stated my opinion forcefully or with great confidence in the accuracy. See how annoying that is? ;)

I apologize that my terminology isn't adequate enough for you. I know you really enjoy showing off how much you know about guns, but one doesn't need to be an expert to see the difference between a semi-automatic weapon that has an INCREASED FIRE RATE and something that shoots less frequently. My point about a flintlock is that guess what, that's what they used when they crafted the 2nd amendment. I'd be fine with those weapons being legal because you could probably only take down one kid before someone tackled you. Why? Because it takes forever to reload a flintlock pistol and shoot again. But you were too dumb to understand my point. My bad.

You already said that. You're firing off the same point like it was a...shit I don't know guns gimme a hand with this simile.

My opinion does mean something because I, like you, have a vote. I also have brain and heart, two things I think you might be lacking.

:rollin how convenient for you yet again.

You just post random gibberish and somehow you think that's an argument? You're in a gun debate and you don't know anything about guns. You're arguing for stiffer gun laws but you don't know existing laws. You try to pretend ignorance of these things should be the norm, as if knowing things is extreme.

How old are you?

[DMC]

Why should semi-automatic weapons be legal? I'd like to hear it in your own words. Unless wikipedia is down :lol

I really enjoy when people talk smack when others don't respond right away. Reminds me I have a life haha

They are legal. Stupid question.

[Koolaid_Man]

tbh I forgot to put the word "ass".
I still stand by the post tho

I tend to leave out words as well when I have a lot to say :lol don't worry it gets easier :lol

[Shastafarian]

You just post random gibberish and somehow you think that's an argument? You're in a gun debate and you don't know anything about guns. You're arguing for stiffer gun laws but you don't know existing laws. You try to pretend ignorance of these things should be the norm, as if knowing things is extreme.

How old are you?
I know gun laws are lax enough for them to be problematic. Since you keep refusing to say anything other than "I know everything and you don't so I don't have to talk to you" I'm just gonna move on. I'm growing tired of talking to myself.

[DMC]

I never said there wasn't.


I already explained how laws can decrease the amount of crimes involving guns by making it more difficult for the criminal to acquire guns.


I'll say again that my original post was made to point out that what Chomag said was inaccurate. Of course the criminal won't mind breaking the law, but with the law making it harder for him to acquire guns, there is a smaller chance of him committing crimes with those guns.


Obviously if guns were illegal there would be a black market for it. This doesn't mean the problems associated to that black market would be bigger than the problems that already exist. Maybe you should read what I said, because I didn't say to ban all the guns. So I doubt the demand for the banned guns would be that high. Unlike drugs, people usually don't get addicted to guns.


That doesn't surprise me.

How does a law make it harder for a criminal to acquire illegal things?

[Shastafarian]

They are legal. Stupid question.

:rollin ok this is my last response because you're just too funny. What is the justification for their legalization?

Edit: I'll say this. You're probably right about me not knowing enough about gun laws. I should research them more and I think I will now. But you're still extremely wrong and pigheaded for your beliefs. Have a good one!

[DMC]

I know gun laws are lax enough for them to be problematic. Since you keep refusing to say anything other than "I know everything and you don't so I don't have to talk to you" I'm just gonna move on. I'm growing tired of talking to myself.

Here you post some very general nebulous words to pretend you are at least somewhat familiar with existing laws.

Imagine someone who doesn't know the rules of basketball, never played, doesn't watch and only hears about it on occasion, trying to get the rules changed. What voice do you think you have? Who's ear would even bend a little to hear uneducated opinion?

Oh things need to change, I don't know how it is now, or what it is that needs to change, but I have some ideas.

[DMC]

:rollin ok this is my last response because you're just too funny. What is the justification for their legalization?

They were never illegal, unlike alcohol.


Edit: I'll say this. You're probably right about me not knowing enough about gun laws. I should research them more and I think I will now. But you're still extremely wrong and pigheaded for your beliefs. Have a good one!
So you don't know anything but you claim I am wrong. Based on what knowledge?

People like me get tired of explaining shit to people like you who just stuck their head in based on some renewed interest because of a sensational news story. You've likely discussed this before, but like then you still don't know anything. You don't go off and educate yourself, you expect the person you're trying to lecture to teach you.

Surely you see the flaw in that.

[Koolaid_Man]

Here you post some very general nebulous words to pretend you are at least somewhat familiar with existing laws.

Imagine someone who doesn't know the rules of basketball, never played, doesn't watch and only hears about it on occasion, trying to get the rules changed. What voice do you think you have? Who's ear would even bend a little to hear uneducated opinion?

Oh things need to change, I don't know how it is now, or what it is that needs to change, but I have some ideas.

you're too amped up DMC...you have 3 options:


pay for a low grade hooker
get you a good jerk before work
finger your hole...


you need some relief bad...you can't sustain this delusion

[SpursRock20]

Wow, this thread has gone a little bit off topic. My sincere condolences go out to all the families of those impacted by the senseless shootings. I can't even fathom how someone could commit senseless violence like this. What a tragedy

[DMC]

you're too amped up DMC...you have 3 options:


pay for a low grade hooker
get you a good jerk before work
finger your hole...


you need some relief bad...you can't sustain this delusion

I could create a Laker troll and pretend to be black. That seems to get you off. You must be really pissed that I took a huge shit on 2 years of building your online persona by outing you. It doesn't matter who you really are, what other name you go by, I nailed your ass to a wash tub and skinned you like a fat catfish. Now you walk around all neutered acting like it never happened.

[Koolaid_Man]

I could create a Laker troll and pretend to be black. That seems to get you off. You must be really pissed that I took a huge shit on 2 years of building your online persona by outing you. It doesn't matter who you really are, what other name you go by, I nailed your ass to a wash tub and skinned you like a fat catfish. Now you walk around all neutered acting like it never happened.

:lol ^ everyone take a good look at exhibit A.



Does this sound like a sane person?
I still don't know what he's all gong ho about
dude is amped up over nothing he's losing it :lol bout to blow a gasket

[rascal]

People who are directly affected by gun violence want gun control. Those who want to do nothing to make changes have not been directly hit so they are cold hearted to the issue.

America- most gun violence in the world- most gun ownership

There will always be nuts out there( there is no changing that) and when they have easy access to acquiring assault weapons they will use them. there needs to be changes on making it a crime to take assault weapons off your property for those who already own them and ban the sale of future assault weapons.

[rascal]

How does a law make it harder for a criminal to acquire illegal things?

Lock him up if he is caught with them. Same laws as with illegal drugs. Certain guns should be illegal just like certain drugs are illegal. Currently there are tight laws against illegal drugs but lenient laws regarding guns.

[DMC]

Lock him up if he is caught with them. Same laws as with illegal drugs. Certain guns should be illegal just like certain drugs are illegal. Currently there are tight laws against illegal drugs but lenient laws regarding guns.

lol.

So the law catches him with weapons and locks him up. That makes time go backward and Tom Cruise stops the guy from getting the weapon in the 1st place. No, you're talking about punishment after the fact, not prevention.

Guns aren't illegal. Drugs are.

I bet there are more people in the US with illegal drugs than people with illegal guns.

[DMC]

People who are directly affected by gun violence want gun control. Those who want to do nothing to make changes have not been directly hit so they are cold hearted to the issue.

Really? The person who led the march for CHL in the state of Texas is the daughter of a man killed during the Luby's shooting many years ago. She claimed (and won) that if her parents were allowed to carry they could have saved themselves and possibly others. Instead, like those children, those people were slaughtered like cattle. No one person can eliminate guns from this country, all we can do is protect ourselves. You seem to have this starry eyed ignorance that gun control means no more guns. What it really means is the law abiding would be defenseless. You're too caught up in mainstream hoopla to get it.

Btw, how were you affected by gun violence?



America- most gun violence in the world- most gun ownership

Why is gun violence worse than any other violence? Death is death, murder is murder.


There will always be nuts out there( there is no changing that) and when they have easy access to acquiring assault weapons they will use them. there needs to be changes on making it a crime to take assault weapons off your property for those who already own them and ban the sale of future assault weapons.

The guy at Luby's used two handguns. He didn't have the evil assault weapon. In fact, the UT tower shooter didn't have an assault weapon nor did the Columbine shooters. You can do more damage in a close area with a shotgun. Or you could just gas people. Hell, the worst attack on this country was perpetrated with box cutters.

You really don't have a level headed perspective.

[DMC]

:lol ^ everyone take a good look at exhibit A.



Does this sound like a sane person?
I still don't know what he's all gong ho about
dude is amped up over nothing he's losing it :lol bout to blow a gasket


Wow look at the huge audience you have. Keep saying it enough and you might begin to believe it.

lol irrelevant, no Laker troll friends
lol towing a line with nothing else attached to it
lol exposed.

[rascal]

lol.

So the law catches him with weapons and locks him up. That makes time go backward and Tom Cruise stops the guy from getting the weapon in the 1st place. No, you're talking about punishment after the fact, not prevention.

Guns aren't illegal. Drugs are.



You sure are a dumb ass. Missed my point.

[rascal]

They are legal. Stupid question.

Did not answer the question with this response. Evaded the question. Does not have any type of good answer for the question.

[Shastafarian]

They were never illegal, unlike alcohol.That's an incredibly terrible reason.


So you don't know anything but you claim I am wrong. Based on what knowledge?My knowledge of what rates are.


People like me get tired of explaining shit to people like you who just stuck their head in based on some renewed interest because of a sensational news story. You've likely discussed this before, but like then you still don't know anything. You don't go off and educate yourself, you expect the person you're trying to lecture to teach you.

Surely you see the flaw in that.I'm trying to lecture you? I was trying to have a discussion but was met with "you don't know anything about guns. I'm not here to educate." Then what are you here to do? Contribute so much by trying to belittle other people?