Christians plan gathering at Sandy Hook to celebrate God 'executing his judgement'

[Will Hunting]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248892/Sandy-Hook-shooting-Outrage-Westboro-Baptist-plans-praise-gathering-outside-school.html

:lol baptists
:lol Christians
:lol saying atheists are the immoral ones

[Latarian Milton]

so the fuckhead who killed 26 innocent people was god's harbinger?

[Will Hunting]

so the fuckhead who killed 26 innocent people was god's harbinger?
According to Christian leaders like Mike Huckabee, 26 innocent people were killed because prayer was taken out of public school since god as an insecure sycophant.

[DMX7]

Mike is such a wholesome, lovable fat man.

[AFBlue]

According to Christian leaders like Mike Huckabee, 26 innocent people were killed because prayer was taken out of public school since god as an insecure sycophant.

Quote in full context?

[Will Hunting]

You're free to look for it on your own. I'm looking forward to you defending someone saying the school shooting was related to removing prayer from public school.

[Warlord23]

Quote in full context?

Link (http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2012/12/14/absence-of-god-from-schools-to-blame-for-killings-huckabee/)

IZeEM_Pqqgw

“We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be surprised that schools would become places of carnage?”

Fine exhibition of Christian values :cry

[Will Hunting]

Fine exhibition of Christian values :cry
:cry

[ElNono]

just wow

[AFBlue]

Thanks Warlord for posting the full clip. He was actually speaking pretty intelligently until he shifted into "pastor" mode and tried to defend God by blaming the government.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao there's nothing intelligent about trying to marry this shooting to prayer being taken out of public schools

[AFBlue]

:lmao there's nothing intelligent about trying to marry this shooting to prayer being taken out of public schools

I think I specifically said that part wasn't intelligent, but if you need it more plainly...him implying that the gun control debate isn't relevant because a motivated person would carry out their plans using whatever (e.g. bombs) is at their disposal. Also saying that you can't rationalize the motive for whoever commits these acts. Both are intelligent points.

Of course, he then tries to rationalize it by suggesting that it could've been prevented if God wasn't taken out of schools. Everything in the last part of that argument is devoid of logic and goes against constitutional principles. So, I'm not defending him as you are trying to make it seem.

[baseline bum]

LOL insecure god sending one of his young to do his dirty work.

[Will Hunting]

I think I specifically said that part wasn't intelligent, but if you need it more plainly...him implying that the gun control debate isn't relevant because a motivated person would carry out their plans using whatever (e.g. bombs) is at their disposal. Also saying that you can't rationalize the motive for whoever commits these acts. Both are intelligent points.

Of course, he then tries to rationalize it by suggesting that it could've been prevented if God wasn't taken out of schools. Everything in the last part of that argument is devoid of logic and goes against constitutional principles. So, I'm not defending him as you are trying to make it seem.
Well this thread isn't about gun control. It's about Christian reactions to tragedy and how they NEVER use it to promote their agenda unlike the leftist libtard atheists.

[Trainwreck2100]

Lol implying any Christian subscribes to the Westboro's. Everytime some shit like this happens they go and "protest."

[Will Hunting]

Lol implying any Christian subscribes to the Westboro's. Everytime some shit like this happens they go and "protest."
The Westboros are Christians. You're just gonna have to live with that.

[boutons_deux]

“We ask why there is violence in our schools, but we have systematically removed God from our schools. Should we be surprised that schools would become places of carnage?”


America's sick, war-loving, violent society produces a lot of sickos, like this "Christian" hustler Huckabee asshole.

[ploto]

When people like this open their mouths, they just make all people of faith look bad.

[baseline bum]

When people like this open their mouths, they just make all people of faith look bad.

It's ok, they already did before tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

When people like this open their mouths, they just make all people of faith look bad.

But I thought teh atheists were the immoral ones!?!?!?!

[boutons_deux]

Huckabee Blames ‘Tax-Funded Abortion Pills’ For Newtown Massacre (http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/12/17/1344001/huckabee-blames-tax-funded-abortion-pills-for-newtown-massacre/)

Christian-owned businesses are told to surrender their values under the edict of government orders to provide tax-funded abortion pills. We carefully and intentionally stop saying things are sinful and we call them disorders. Sometimes, we even say they’re normal. And to get to where we have to abandon bed rock moral truths, then we ask “well, where was God?” And I respond that, as I see it, we’ve escorted him out of our culture and marched him off the public square and then we express our surprise that a culture without him reflects what it’s become.

there are no “government-funded abortion pills.” The Obamacare contraception mandate, which is what Huckabee is likely referring to, does not provide coverage for any abortifacients

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/12/17/1344001/huckabee-blames-tax-funded-abortion-pills-for-newtown-massacre/

If a "Christian's" lips are moving, he's lying.

[boutons_deux]

5 Unhinged Right-Wing Responses to Connecticut Massacre


http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_5457772.jpg

1. Ann Coulter: Everybody should carry a concealed firearm. (aka, Ann whoring for her NRA contributions)

2. Mike Huckabee: Massacre the result of church-state separation.

3. Bryan Fischer: God let massacre happen in public school because he's not wanted there.

4. Glenn Beck: Killings caused by soul problems.

5. Louie Gohmert: If only Sandy Hook principal had an assault rifle, everyone would have been saved.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/5-unhinged-right-wing-responses-connecticut-massacre?paging=off

What's really wonderful about these assholes is that 10Ms of Americans agree with them. Right wing America is one fucking ignorant, primitive, retrograde America.

[TeyshaBlue]

Anybody here trying to solve something, or are we just enjoying mocking christians?

Seriously. Get a fucking life.

[clambake]

republicans should ask these guys to please shut up.

[George Gervin's Afro]

5 Unhinged Right-Wing Responses to Connecticut Massacre


http://www.alternet.org/files/styles/story_image/public/story_images/shutterstock_5457772.jpg

1. Ann Coulter: Everybody should carry a concealed firearm. (aka, Ann whoring for her NRA contributions)

2. Mike Huckabee: Massacre the result of church-state separation.

3. Bryan Fischer: God let massacre happen in public school because he's not wanted there.

4. Glenn Beck: Killings caused by soul problems.

5. Louie Gohmert: If only Sandy Hook principal had an assault rifle, everyone would have been saved.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/5-unhinged-right-wing-responses-connecticut-massacre?paging=off

What's really wonderful about these assholes is that 10Ms of Americans agree with them. Right wing America is one fucking ignorant, primitive, retrograde America.

age hasn't been kind to him..

[scott]

At what point does Westboro get officially classified as a hate group? I believe they own the URL that is something along the line of "Hate Fags" - you would think that alone would be enough.

[CosmicCowboy]

Those Westboro freaks are no Christians.

[TeyshaBlue]

At what point does Westboro get officially classified as a hate group? I believe they own the URL that is something along the line of "Hate Fags" - you would think that alone would be enough.

That's a good fucking question.

[Spurminator]

Westboro Baptist is a family of trolls. Pretty effective ones too, tbh.

[coyotes_geek]

At what point does Westboro get officially classified as a hate group? I believe they own the URL that is something along the line of "Hate Fags" - you would think that alone would be enough.

Just a guess, but I would think that there has to be some element of the group being actively involved in committing hate crimes or actively promoting that a hate crime be committed. Being a bigoted a-hole, in and of itself, isn't a crime.

[boutons_deux]

"get officially classified as a hate group"

by whom? who is the OFFICIAL hate-group classifier? SCLC?

[boutons_deux]

...

[101A]

I guess if you haven't heard preachers, you don't understand what they are saying; can't read between the lines. Huckabee never said this was God's wrath, or he didn't protect the school because there wasn't prayer. What he DID say is that we no longer teach moral absolutism; right and wrong, black and white - and that if you end up on the wrong side of that equation, you have God, ultimately, to answer to. Therefore, more and more people (Adam Lanza in this case), don't fear judgement day - has, as many on the board apparently have not, heard it described to them every day of their lives; be good or else.

He might not be right in his estimation, but THAT is the crux of his argument.

[Drachen]

At what point does Westboro get officially classified as a hate group? I believe they own the URL that is something along the line of "Hate Fags" - you would think that alone would be enough.

what does this classification do?

[scott]

what does this classification do?

Well, it they currently have tax-exempt status as a Church, that would be immediately revoked.

Other than that... well, not much.

However (and ironically), as soon as one of their protests incite violence, it is possibile they will no longer be granted the license to spew hate under the protection of the 1st Amendment. No part of the bill of rights limits the governments duties to regulate where there exists a governmental interest (yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, for example). If their speech begins to incite violence and threaten the public, then the government will have in interest in limiting such speech (to date, the tact is usually different in that government protection exists to prevent violence where they protest).

[boutons_deux]

Catholic Chuch is a hate group, hating/discriminating against women and LGBT.

[Drachen]

Well, it they currently have tax-exempt status as a Church, that would be immediately revoked.

Other than that... well, not much.

However (and ironically), as soon as one of their protests incite violence, it is possibile they will no longer be granted the license to spew hate under the protection of the 1st Amendment. No part of the bill of rights limits the governments duties to regulate where there exists a governmental interest (yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, for example). If their speech begins to incite violence and threaten the public, then the government will have in interest in limiting such speech (to date, the tact is usually different in that government protection exists to prevent violence where they protest).

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

[boutons_deux]

"Well, it they currently have tax-exempt status as a Church, that would be immediately revoked."

what part of IRS or DoJ "officially" operates a hate group list?

[Warlord23]

What he DID say is that we no longer teach moral absolutism; right and wrong, black and white - and that if you end up on the wrong side of that equation, you have God, ultimately, to answer to. Therefore, more and more people (Adam Lanza in this case), don't fear judgement day - has, as many on the board apparently have not, heard it described to them every day of their lives; be good or else.



That's precisely the issue though. Where is this moral absolute? Morals in holy books are not absolute because they are man-made. You may or may not believe in an all-powerful entity, but surely you agree that the composition, editing, shaping and interpretation of the Bible (and all similar religious texts) was a human act, carried out and revised multiple times over centuries. And even then these works include illogical, contradicting, ridiculous information. The Bible's many imperfections reveal its all-too-human origin. Which is fine, since it's a notable work of literature, interspersing history, fiction and commentary.

To take that and claim that it's a moral absolute is laughable. By that moral absolute, Huckabee should be campaigning against eating shellfish and pork. In fact, you could conceivably theorize that the reason your God lets murder happen is because people have been eating shellfish without remorse for centuries. Also, Islam could claim that its moral absolute is the Koran, and the basis for misogyny, murder of non-believers, etc. Would you, as a Christian, accept that as a reasonable explanation for barbaric behavior?

The statement "live your life the way you see fit without harming others" is a much better moral absolute than any bronze-age writings. Moral philosophy is a complex area of study, and religion only attempts to trivialize it.

[boutons_deux]

James Dobson Blames Marriage Equality And Abortion For Newtown Shooting (http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/12/17/1347161/james-dobson-blames-marriage-equality-and-abortion-for-newtown-shooting/)


http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/James-Dobson-with-Bible-300x300.jpg

DOBSON: Our country really does seem in complete disarray. I’m not talking politically, I’m not talking about the result of the November sixth election; I am saying that something has gone wrong in America and that we have turned our back on God.

I mean millions of people have decided that God doesn’t exist, or he’s irrelevant to me and we have killed fifty-four million babies and the institution of marriage is right on the verge of a complete redefinition. Believe me, that is going to have consequences too.

And a lot of these things are happening around us, and somebody is going to get mad at me for saying what I am about to say right now, but I am going to give you my honest opinion: I think we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty and I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us. I think that’s what’s going on.



http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/12/17/1347161/james-dobson-blames-marriage-equality-and-abortion-for-newtown-shooting/

[boutons_deux]

Tea Party Group Blames Connecticut Shooting On Teachers, Unions, And Sex (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/17/1346491/tea-party-group-attributes-connecticut-shooting-to-teachers-unions-and-sex/)


http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Screen-shot-2012-12-17-at-12.34.46-PM-300x202.png

blamed the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut on teachers, unions, bureaucracy, and the presence of sex in popular culture.

He then went on to recommend a number of interesting solutions, including a lamentation that George Zimmerman (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/03/18/446768/what-everyone-should-know-about-about-trayvon-martin-1995-2012/) was not guarding Sandy Hook Elementary School:


Homeschool. Take away the power of the radicals in the classrooms. Makes your kids safer, too.

Back Right to Work legislation for the public sector. Teacher’s unions have helped cement much of this in place. As long as we have group think in the classrooms we will never see the end of this. […]
Work to devolve power back to the parents, the local officials, and the communities. A society that is top-down will inevitably lead to alienation of the sort we have seen here. This young man was twenty years old, and his actions were neither spurious nor random. As an FBI profiler said on television last night, he undoubtedly felt powerless and sought to remedy that. Why does a twenty year old feel powerless? He could leave his mother’s home at any time at his age. He

feels powerless because he has lived in an over-bureaucratized society, one run ultimately from a far-away central location. […]
Restrict the sex in movies, television, on the internet. There is a reason why young people commit these sorts of crimes, and sex plays no small part. Their passions are eternally inflamed, and they wander the Earth with no outlet for their overstimulated glands. […]


Support the creation of local organizations to act as “neighborhood watch” for schools. Had George Zimmerman been at the front door instead of some mechanical card reader those children would still be alive. Perhaps it’s time we start asking for volunteers to protect our children. It will require security checks, but isn’t that worth it? This dovetails with the union problem; the unions will fight this measure tooth-and-nail.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/12/17/1346491/tea-party-group-attributes-connecticut-shooting-to-teachers-unions-and-sex/


DUMBFUCKS

[cantthinkofanything]

Boutons, why are you so threatened by everything? I'm here if you want to talk.

[boutons_deux]

...

[clambake]

if only lanza had feared god. lol

[Halberto]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/westboro-baptist-church-hacked-anonymous-protest-newtown-shooting-victims-funerals_n_2315070.html

Anonymous got these guys pretty good. Even posted one person's SS#. Too bad God isn't computer-savvy enough to stop them.

[Jacob1983]

Mike Huckabee is a bloated Kevin Spacey.

[kamikazi_player]

We already say the pledge of allegiance in schools, what more do they want? :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I guess if you haven't heard preachers, you don't understand what they are saying; can't read between the lines. Huckabee never said this was God's wrath, or he didn't protect the school because there wasn't prayer. What he DID say is that we no longer teach moral absolutism; right and wrong, black and white - and that if you end up on the wrong side of that equation, you have God, ultimately, to answer to. Therefore, more and more people (Adam Lanza in this case), don't fear judgement day - has, as many on the board apparently have not, heard it described to them every day of their lives; be good or else.

He might not be right in his estimation, but THAT is the crux of his argument.

How does he know Lanza was an atheist?

Regardless, the premise of what you just said is still retarded. Look at the religious Demographics of incarcerated Americans. Less than 1% of them are atheists. It's a complete myth that atheists commit more evil because they "don't have a god to answer to."

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

We already say the pledge of allegiance in schools, what more do they want? :lol

They want schools to equate religious theory (aka fairy tales) with scientific theory (aka stuff based off actual research and evidence) and can't understand why that doesn't happen.

[DMX7]

God just doin' his thang.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

God just doin' his thang.

Just murdering the 6-7 year olds he's supposed to murder. No surprises here.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao worshiping George Zimmerman

I guess Lanza was wearing a hoodie

[DMX7]

Just murdering the 6-7 year olds he's supposed to murder. No surprises here.

Just bringin' them back to GOD, I said!

[Oh, Gee!!]

And a lot of these things are happening around us, and somebody is going to get mad at me for saying what I am about to say right now, but I am going to give you my honest opinion: I think we have turned our back on the Scripture and on God Almighty and I think he has allowed judgment to fall upon us. I think that’s what’s going on.

Funny, but you'd think God would be smart enough to allow his 'judgment' to fall upon the the appropriate people, like evil people, and not 20 innocent kids. That's the God that deserves our praise and worship?

[ElNono]

Funny, but you'd think God would be smart enough to allow his 'judgment' to fall upon the the appropriate people, like evil people, and not 20 innocent kids. That's the God that deserves our praise and worship?

How do you know they were innocent kids? :stirpot:

[boutons_deux]

Boutons, why are you so threatened by everything?

GFY

[cantthinkofanything]

GFY

What do you really want to say? I'm listening. You can send it in a PM if you don't feel comfortable sharing in front of the others.

[kamikazi_player]

I just read up on this Westboro Baptist church and they are fucking crazy. You know there's something wrong if Fox News and the KKK have a problem with you.

[EVAY]

I guess if you haven't heard preachers, you don't understand what they are saying; can't read between the lines. Huckabee never said this was God's wrath, or he didn't protect the school because there wasn't prayer. What he DID say is that we no longer teach moral absolutism; right and wrong, black and white - and that if you end up on the wrong side of that equation, you have God, ultimately, to answer to. Therefore, more and more people (Adam Lanza in this case), don't fear judgement day - has, as many on the board apparently have not, heard it described to them every day of their lives; be good or else.

He might not be right in his estimation, but THAT is the crux of his argument.

I'm wondering why you feel you need to translate Huckabee's 'argument' for the rest of us.

Warlord's clip made it fairly obvious to me precisely what he was saying, without your interpretation, tbh.

[SA210]

The Westboros are Christians. You're just gonna have to live with that.

No, they CLAIM to be Christians, huge difference.

[ChumpDumper]

No, they CLAIM to be Christians, huge difference.Who's to judge they aren't?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No, they CLAIM to be Christians, huge difference.

They worship a lord and savior Jesus Christ and believe in the New Testament. They're Christians.

[SA210]

They worship a lord and savior Jesus Christ and believe in the New Testament. They're Christians.


That's retarded of you to say. The New Testament does not tell them to do those stupid things. A shame you don't know that they don't truly follow the New Testament, but it fits your argument to call them Christians. Just because they claim to be, doesn't make them Christian. Look to the New Testament scriptures and tell me where their actions are Christ-like.


Obama said he would end the wars, he must be a "Peace" President! lol Not

[ElNono]

'True' Christians think it was an inside job. Perpetrated by an admitted Christian no less.

[SA210]

'True' Christians think it was an inside job. Perpetrated by an admitted Christian no less.


lol at believing a mass murderer like Bush is truly a "Christian" just because he said so. It was so Christ-like to murder so many innocent Iraqi's

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The New Testament does not tell them to do those stupid things. A shame you don't know that they don't truly follow the New Testament, but it fits your argument to call them Christians. Just because they claim to be, doesn't make them Christian. Look to the New Testament scriptures and tell me where their actions are Christ-like.

The New Testament says it's OK to own slaves and beat them with a rod. I guess slave owners are good Christians.

They fit the definition of what a Christian is, someone who believes in the New Testament and worships Jesus as the Messiah. You're not the authority on what a Christian is/isn't.

[ChumpDumper]

That's retarded of you to say. The New Testament does not tell them to do those stupid things. A shame you don't know that they don't truly follow the New Testament, but it fits your argument to call them Christians. Just because they claim to be, doesn't make them Christian. Look to the New Testament scriptures and tell me where their actions are Christ-like.You need to provide scripture to support your claim that they are not Christians. Should be easy for you.

[ElNono]

lol at believing a mass murderer like Bush is truly a "Christian" just because he said so. It was so Christ-like to murder so many innocent Iraqi's


That's what you get when you openly let anybody interpret a piece of text as they see fit...

[SA210]

The New Testament says it's OK to own slaves and beat them with a rod. I guess slave owners are good Christians.

They fit the definition of what a Christian is, someone who believes in the New Testament and worships Jesus as the Messiah. You're not the authority on what a Christian is/isn't.

:lmao I'm not an authority on what a Christian is or isn't but YOU somehow are lol

Who's "definition" btw? Yours? What someone told you? The New Testament says to love your neighbor. That covers a lot of area, that would include being against the current and past Presidents mass murder, and this stupid group doing what they do.

lol at "They fit the definition of a Christian" lol Yea, you would know from what you have been taught to think

Get something right from this moment forward, ok.. There are people who do their best to act Christ-like (peaceful, loving, spreading that same thing, Gods word of love), then those who CLAIM to be Christian and are war mongering hateful people.

Learn the difference.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The New Testament says to love your neighbor.

It also says you can own and beat slaves.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao I'm not an authority on what a Christian is or isn't but YOU somehow are lol


I'm not the authority either. The Westboros claim that they're Christians and you're the one trying to strip that away from them. I'm just saying they are who they say they are.

[SA210]

I'm not the authority either. The Westboros claim that they're Christians and you're the one trying to strip that away from them. I'm just saying they are who they say they are.

Man, you have been wrong about a lot of stuff. How old are you, you are clearly lost. Obama claimed to be a Peace president, did that make him one? Bush claimed to be a transparent administration as well as Obama, were they? You think you know what you are talking about on a lot of issues, but do you? Of course not lol. Just because people say they are something doesn't make it so, but since you so much want to hate Christians it's ok for you to lump crazy extremists into the Christian pool. And please go ACTUALLY learn something about the New Testament before you want to tell me what you think it is.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The new testament says owning and beating slaves is OK. Do you deny that?

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao I'm not an authority on what a Christian is or isn't but YOU somehow are lol

Who's "definition" btw? Yours? What someone told you? The New Testament says to love your neighbor. That covers a lot of area, that would include being against the current and past Presidents mass murder, and this stupid group doing what they do.Would that included loving someone who takes a shot at you?

[SA210]

The new testament says owning and beating slaves is OK. Do you deny that?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28 (http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Galatians%203.28))


And with that, I say goodnight :tu

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So you didn't answer the question then said goodnight because the answer is yes. Classic Christian intellectual dishonesty.

[ChumpDumper]

Run away, brave Sir SA210!

[spursncowboys]

Who are calling these people Christians besides them...

[ChumpDumper]

Who are calling these people Christians besides them...Just playing Devi's advocate really -- but what makes you think they aren't (if that's what you think)?

[spursncowboys]

Just playing Devi's advocate really -- but what makes you think they aren't (if that's what you think)?
I think they are a cult. Nothing the New Testament says this. Not even Revelations. They are Christians like the Neo-Nazi's are Christians. They are doing whatever it takes to sue someone. Thats not a religion. Thats a racket.

[spursncowboys]

So you didn't answer the question then said goodnight because the answer is yes. Classic Christian intellectual dishonesty.
What verse are you talking about?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I asked if the bible approves of owning and beating slaves. For some reason I can't get a direct answer.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

" Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be blasphemed. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful to them on the ground that they are members of the church; rather they must serve them all the more, since those who benefit by their service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these duties. Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words. From these come envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among those who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain."

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

"Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior. … Declare these things; exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one look down on you."

[ChumpDumper]

I think they are a cult. Nothing the New Testament says this. Not even Revelations. They are Christians like the Neo-Nazi's are Christians. They are doing whatever it takes to sue someone. Thats not a religion. Thats a racket.Well, I don't know of anything in the Bible that would specifically exclude them from being Christians.

I mean, inquisitors did some really nasty stuff in their day -- a lot worse than these Westboro clowns -- but I don't see anyone proclaiming they weren't Christians.

[spursncowboys]

Well, I don't know of anything in the Bible that would specifically exclude them from being Christians.

I mean, inquisitors did some really nasty stuff in their day -- a lot worse than these Westboro clowns -- but I don't see anyone proclaiming they weren't Christians.
I guess I cannot disagree with you seeing they could call themselves christians since other terrible people throughout our history have done so. I guess my problem is with people's idea of what a christian is. I guess I need to disassociate "christian" with "follower of christ". Although Everyday, everyone will sin-asking for forgiveness and striving to live in Jesus' teaching would be more of what I thought a "christian" is. Although there is some Catholic teaching that if someone does something with the idea that they whole-heartliy believe it is what God wanted them to do, then they are not sinning.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess I cannot disagree with you seeing they could call themselves christians since other terrible people throughout our history have done so. I guess my problem is with people's idea of what a christian is. I guess I need to disassociate "christian" with "follower of christ". Although Everyday, everyone will sin-asking for forgiveness and striving to live in Jesus' teaching would be more of what I thought a "christian" is. Although there is some Catholic teaching that if someone does something with the idea that they whole-heartliy believe it is what God wanted them to do, then they are not sinning.Oh, I don't think sin justification is restricted to Catholicism -- and I'm also trying to nail down what the Westboro douches do that would be considered sin in these demonstrations. I mean they, just like the inquisitors before them, believe they are doing God's work here in a very Christian manner.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

funeral protests = not Christian

slavery = Christian

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You can also add the Crusaders to the list of Christians who did stuff far worse than anything the Westboro Baptists have ever done.

[spursncowboys]

Oh, I don't think sin justification is restricted to Catholicism -- and I'm also trying to nail down what the Westboro douches do that would be considered sin in these demonstrations. I mean they, just like the inquisitors before them, believe they are doing God's work here in a very Christian manner.
For a follower of jesus' teaching, they are raising their children to breed hate. THey are preeching hate. Jesus says that anyone who puts money (among many other things) before god will go to hell. Also anyone who molests god's word will go to hell. Pretty much anytime you look at a chicks ass, jerk off thinking of anyone other than your wife, or get pissed at someone-you are sinning.

From what I read, Sinning is ok because everyone sins. The problem is living in sin. Not acknowledging you are sinning and wanting to sin less. THis is all my interpretations. I never grew up religious, I just read the bible and went to church on and off. ANything more would need someone more intelligent ot the subject.

[baseline bum]

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28 (http://biblia.com/bible/nasb95/Galatians%203.28))


And with that, I say goodnight :tu

Brave Sir Robin!

[ChumpDumper]

For a follower of jesus' teaching, they are raising their children to breed hate. THey are preeching hate. Jesus says that anyone who puts money (among many other things) before god will go to hell. Also anyone who molests god's word will go to hell. Pretty much anytime you look at a chicks ass, jerk off thinking of anyone other than your wife, or get pissed at someone-you are sinning.

From what I read, Sinning is ok because everyone sins. The problem is living in sin. Not acknowledging you are sinning and wanting to sin less. THis is all my interpretations. I never grew up religious, I just read the bible and went to church on and off. ANything more would need someone more intelligent ot the subject.Well, I certainly accept them as your interpretations.

Mine is that all the people discussed are Christians. They just really suck at it.

[ploto]

Do they really think that people now are so much more Godless than in times past? Is allowing gay marriage really that much more abominable than people owning other people?

[Spurminator]

We are the most "God fearing" country in the world from a Christian perspective, but somehow our kids aren't as safe as most developed non-Christian countries. Why is that? Does God have higher expectations of us?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Owning slaves is endorsed by the New Testament, Gay Marriage is teh devil, so yeah, gay marriage is much more abominable than owning slaves.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

We are the most "God fearing" country in the world from a Christian perspective, but somehow our kids aren't as safe as most developed non-Christian countries. Why is that? Does God have higher expectations of us?

They just don't know the rest of the modern world is secular.

[spursncowboys]

Owning slaves is endorsed by the New Testament, Gay Marriage is teh devil, so yeah, gay marriage is much more abominable than owning slaves.
I don't know what you mean by the NT endorses slaves. Jesus? his Apostles before or after Jesus' death? Specifically Paul?
in referring to 1 Timothy. I think that when Paul condemns people having homosexual relations and slave masters in the same paragraph, it's more about all sins being the same in the eyes of god. In none of Jesus' teachings does he come even close to what you are saying.

[SA210]

In none of Jesus' teachings does he come even close to what you are saying.

But he wants to believe that anyway.

[Wild Cobra]

I just read up on this Westboro Baptist church and they are fucking crazy. You know there's something wrong if Fox News and the KKK have a problem with you.
You must be new to any news. These anti-Christ worshipers have had a reputation for some years now.

[Wild Cobra]

I asked if the bible approves of owning and beating slaves. For some reason I can't get a direct answer.
It does not approve of it, but it was legal in the lands, and therefore addressed. Punishment suggested in the Bible likely was a preferred punishment over some practice more commonly used.

I would be curious of what passages in specific you are referring to.

[LnGrrrR]

It does not approve of it, but it was legal in the lands, and therefore addressed. Punishment suggested in the Bible likely was a preferred punishment over some practice more commonly used.

I would be curious of what passages in specific you are referring to.

Too bad God didn't give us a list of actions he disapproved of. It would've been a perfect place to put a command like, "Don't own slaves. Cut that shit out, it's not cool guys."

[Woo Bum-kon]

How does he know Lanza was an atheist?

Regardless, the premise of what you just said is still retarded. Look at the religious Demographics of incarcerated Americans. Less than 1% of them are atheists. It's a complete myth that atheists commit more evil because they "don't have a god to answer to."

No, you see, those aren't "true" Christians. Every Christian who commits crimes is an atheist in disguise.

[Woo Bum-kon]

That's retarded of you to say. The New Testament does not tell them to do those stupid things. A shame you don't know that they don't truly follow the New Testament, but it fits your argument to call them Christians. Just because they claim to be, doesn't make them Christian. Look to the New Testament scriptures and tell me where their actions are Christ-like.


Obama said he would end the wars, he must be a "Peace" President! lol Not

Are you a Christian?

And :lmao at Christians yet again trying to excuse The Old Testament's position on slavery.
:lmao God can properly tell people to not eat shellfish, but when it comes to owning slaves, he somehow can't get his point across

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No, you see, those aren't "true" Christians. Every Christian who commits crimes is an atheist in disguise.

:lmao

[spursncowboys]

Too bad God didn't give us a list of actions he disapproved of. It would've been a perfect place to put a command like, "Don't own slaves. Cut that shit out, it's not cool guys."
:lmao

And what has your eight legged spaghetti man said on the topic?

[kamikazi_player]

You must be new to any news. These anti-Christ worshipers have had a reputation for some years now.
I usually don't pay attention to extremely religious people because usually Christians are crazy in general. It's funny to see anonymous and KKK against WBC.

[DMC]

Obviously I didn't read all the gibberish in this thread, but the shooter was home schooled, so unless they came by his home and picked God up in a van, there's no reason to invoke school prayer in this shooting.

[DMC]

:lmao

And what has your eight legged spaghetti man said on the topic?

Gus (I like to call him, his noodly appendage be praised) looks at slavery as something humorous. He's words were "pwned" or whatever that means.

[Wild Cobra]

I usually don't pay attention to extremely religious people because usually Christians are crazy in general. It's funny to see anonymous and KKK against WBC.
OK, but you had to be almost dead to the world not to know about this hate group.

[spursncowboys]

Gus (I like to call him, his noodly appendage be praised) looks at slavery as something humorous. He's words were "pwned" or whatever that means.
:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

:lmao

And what has your eight legged spaghetti man said on the topic?

Those of us who follow Pastafarianism don't claim to know the number of his Noodly Appendages. :lol

[scott]

Ramen.

[exstatic]

Ramen.

:lol

[exstatic]

The contortions by Fundamentalists to both deny and embrace the old testament would be funny if it weren't so sad. They dismiss the slavery justifications as dated, but embrace the idea of the sin of homosexuality like it were life itself.

It's almost as contorted as voting for the party of the NRA and claiming to be Pro-Life. Folks, the assault rifles that the NRA insists are necessary for every American have one use and one use only: to kill people. You can't hunt with them (unless you're making your venison sausage al fresco :lol), and they're impractical for an in-home intruder.

[Woo Bum-kon]

It's a shame that SA210 ran away. :depressed

[Blake]

I guess if you haven't heard preachers, you don't understand what they are saying; can't read between the lines. Huckabee never said this was God's wrath, or he didn't protect the school because there wasn't prayer. What he DID say is that we no longer teach moral absolutism; right and wrong, black and white - and that if you end up on the wrong side of that equation, you have God, ultimately, to answer to. Therefore, more and more people (Adam Lanza in this case), don't fear judgement day - has, as many on the board apparently have not, heard it described to them every day of their lives; be good or else.

He might not be right in his estimation, but THAT is the crux of his argument.

Since you're speaking on behalf of Huckabee, can you answer why anyone should fear judgment day and/or worry about right and wrong if belief in jesus is enough to get you into heaven?

[boutons_deux]

Joel Rosenberg Ties Jon Stewart to CT School ShootingReligious Right author Joel Rosenberg says that people like Jon Stewart of The Daily Show share in the blame for the Newtown, Connecticut, school shooting because they have waged a “cultural war against Jesus and Christmas” and tried to “drive [God] out of our society.” Like American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/fischer-god-didnt-stop-ct-school-shooting-because-hes-gentleman-who-doesnt-go-where-he-not-w), Rosenberg claims (http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2012/12/15/implosion-update-the-demons-of-violence-are-on-the-loose-in-america-but-why-and-where-do-we-go-from-here/) that God did not stop the massacre because God is a “gentleman”: “If a nation tells Him to leave, He will leave.”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/joel-rosenberg-ties-jon-stewart-ct-school-shooting

Another right-wing "Christian" asshole (with a Jewish name) speaking as if he knows The Mind of God, so we better respek Rosenburg and keep sending him more money.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol Joel Rosenburg
lol that might be the biggest kike name I've ever heard in my life
lol zionists
lol next step is blaming this on us not helping :cryIswael:cry enough

[boutons_deux]

Another asshole "Christian" sounding off as Constitutional/history scholar

On last night's episode of "The Glenn Beck Program," guest host Tim Ballard brought on David Barton (http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=25531059) to give his "expert" perspective on how the Founding Fathers would have responded to the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Barton insisted (http://youtu.be/6zpqTThbLOo) that the Founders called the Second Amendment "the biblical right of self defense" and crafted it to ensure that citizens could protect themselves again any and all threats, including the government, with equal firepower.

In Barton's view, whatever weapons the government possesses must also be available to the population at large because the citizens might one day need to resist the government, so this principle of "equal power ... has got to control the gun control debate":

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/david-barton-explains-second-amendment

[Woo Bum-kon]

:lol God is incredibly insecure.

:cry You don't mention me in school anymore, and since school is apparently the only place to be taught about Me, I'll let a gunman murder 20 children and six teachers. That'll teach 'em. :cry

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I guess the people need to have access to nuclear weapons since the government also does.

[ChumpDumper]

Another asshole "Christian" sounding off as Constitutional/history scholar

On last night's episode of "The Glenn Beck Program," guest host Tim Ballard brought on David Barton (http://www.video.theblaze.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=25531059) to give his "expert" perspective on how the Founding Fathers would have responded to the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Barton insisted (http://youtu.be/6zpqTThbLOo) that the Founders called the Second Amendment "the biblical right of self defense" and crafted it to ensure that citizens could protect themselves again any and all threats, including the government, with equal firepower.

In Barton's view, whatever weapons the government possesses must also be available to the population at large because the citizens might one day need to resist the government, so this principle of "equal power ... has got to control the gun control debate":

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/david-barton-explains-second-amendmentI'm pretty sure most schoolteachers were not armed back then.