So it's all over....

[Avante]

....but only one place survived, how about California? We have it all right here, the ag capital of the world. We have the mountains, the deserts, the ocean. What do we need we don't have, yes we have oil...Bakersfield. We have Stanford, Cal, Fresno State, USC, UCLA, San Diego State, San Jose State, Sac State, CPSLO, a ton of JC's. Hell, we have Hollywood!!! We don't need anywhere else. Ya want football...we have three pro teams and could stick another in LA. The CFL....California Football League.

I'd hate to see everything around California....poof gone....but we could survive on our own.


1FgSmdfRUus

What the world could look like Saturday


http://drawapig.desktopcreatures.com/gallery/2012/12/19/888064.jpg

[Latarian Milton]

great point, so hollywood also survives and will make movies about what has happened that day

[Avante]

great point, so hollywood also survives and will make movies about what has happened that day

Yep, and inside a years time.....THE END...in heart stopping 3-D. The Black Keys doing the soundtrack.


v5FW8Xo8ENo

[JudynTX]

I thought this was your resignation letter.

[Wild Cobra]

Califoria?

that is probably the most fucked up state in the nation. i think it should be the first to go!

Now if you want climate diversity and plenty of good agricultural land, then Oregon. We have several rivers to irrigate with, and few top the Columbia River.

[Avante]

Califoria?

that is probably the most fucked up state in the nation. i think it should be the first to go!

Now if you want climate diversity and plenty of good agricultural land, then Oregon. We have several rivers to irrigate with, and few top the Columbia River.

Ok man if you want an education Cali has over 200 colleges. What does Oregon have? And don't ever try to compare dairy/farming between Oregon and Cali. Not even close. We also have how many pro sports teams, how's that Oregon NFL team doing, oh yeah...YOU DON'T HAVE ONE!!!!!!!!!

Portland compares to LA,SF and SD? Ever been to San Diego, the place is amazing. I hitch hiked thru Oregon back in my Navy days was coming from Seattle to Cali, it was illegal to hitch hike what kind of shit is that? Having our dress blues on saved our ass.

Wanna make a movie we have Hollywood, what does Oregon have? Young guys looking for women, no place has more great looking women than California.

Hell. I can't think of any music coming out of Oregon, as we know that's not the case here in...THE GOLDEN STATE.

[cantthinkofanything]

Starfucker is from Oregon.

[Avante]

Starfucker is from Oregon.

Who?

[cantthinkofanything]

Who?

Starfucker.

[AussieFanKurt]

If anything CA will be first play in US to be destroyed since one day there will be a earthquake through LA that will destroy it..

[Avante]

Starfucker.

Oh Starfucker, why didn't you say so?

[Wild Cobra]

Wow...

You have no idea. Now think about your numbers in per-capita terms.

How many hormones do those "California happy cows" get? Alpenrose, Dairygold and Tillamook products are hormone free.

How many cheese makers in California have as many awards and Tillamook cheese products?

I forget if it's Portland, or the Portland metro area, but we have more breweries (per capita?) than any other city in the world. Most of them microbreweries with unique beers of their own.

We have a huge wheat industry in the eastern state, wide variety of fruits, and the Willamette Valley is filled with other great agriculture.

Yes, I've been to San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, and several other places in California. What I cannot get out of my mind is how downtown SF smells like urine when it rains.

California cannot support itself without the water imported from the Colorado river, or Electricity from Oregon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Intertie). Did you know that Oregon supplies Los Angeles with half of its peak electrical usage?

California would be fucked if it were the only state left.

[cantthinkofanything]

^ x2

not to mention Starfucker

[Avante]

If anything CA will be first play in US to be destroyed since one day there will be a earthquake through LA that will destroy it..

So there we are shining our shoes while sitting down beside the barracks (San Diego) wall. Right across from us...The Grinder...a large cement area (about two football fields) where we did all that stupid marching around going nowhere.

Anyway...

We felt a rumble. yep...earthquake. Not much we could do but stay against the wall. The Grinder looked like it was made out of rubber, it had waves as it rolled. Cement rolling! Strange to see this. Lasted about 30 seconds then, cool.

[clambake]

any state with wc is the most fucked up state.

[cantthinkofanything]

any state with wc is the most fucked up state.

you've obviously never sat down with a cheap bottle of wine and chilled out to Starfucker

[johnsmith]

Cement rolling! Strange to see this. Lasted about 30 seconds then, cool.

I fucking hate when people get cement and concrete confused......hey stupid, get it right.

[Avante]

Wow...

You have no idea. Now think about your numbers in per-capita terms.

How many hormones do those "California happy cows" get? Alpenrose, Dairygold and Tillamook products are hormone free.

How many cheese makers in California have as many awards and Tillamook cheese products?

I forget if it's Portland, or the Portland metro area, but we have more breweries (per capita?) than any other city in the world. Most of them microbreweries with unique beers of their own.

We have a huge wheat industry in the eastern state, wide variety of fruits, and the Willamette Valley is filled with other great agriculture.

Yes, I've been to San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Oakland, and several other places in California. What I cannot get out of my mind is how downtown SF smells like urine when it rains.

California cannot support itself without the water imported from the Colorado river, or Electricity from Oregon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Intertie). Did you know that Oregon supplies Los Angeles with half of its peak electrical usage?

California would be fucked if it were the only state left.


Totally disagree.

Obviously changes would have to be made. But I'd rather make those changes in a huge state with all we have vs a state the size of Oregon and what it has. People would get bored to death in Oregon, not so here in Cali.

I noticed you ignored the education/entertainment differences. Far more things to do in Cali, far more school choices.

[Avante]

I thought this was your resignation letter.

You kidding, never had so much fun. This big fish in a small pond, very cool!

[AussieFanKurt]

You kidding, never had so much fun.

what a boring life

[Avante]

what a boring life

A boring life would be following people around on the internet to be a pest.

Anyway...


Hell. you live in Aussieland if this old world did ...poof gone...you Aussies wouldn't even know it, hahaha!!!!!!

[AussieFanKurt]

Hell. you live in Aussieland if this old world did ...poof gone...you Aussies wouldn't even know it, hahaha!!!!!!

Well that makes no sense

[Avante]

Well that makes no sense

I bet you don't get invited to many parties do ya amigo? Of course it didn't make any sense, sheesh~~~~~~~~~~~

[Greg Oden]

:lol so much to do in cali yet the op sits and posts 50 times a day on a forum and reads magazines.

inb4 let's talk about reality, ok amigo?
inb4 responding with a 50 year old blues song
inb4 posting about cali colleges and you didn't attend one
inb4 crying about people following you around
inb4 well it's better than the thread about who has the stinkiest farts
inb4 mooching off your wife

[AussieFanKurt]

:lol so much to do in cali yet the op sits and posts 50 times a day on a forum and reads magazines.

inb4 let's talk about reality, ok amigo?
inb4 responding with a 50 year old blues song
inb4 posting about cali colleges and you didn't attend one
inb4 crying about people following you around
inb4 well it's better than the thread about who has the stinkiest farts
inb4 mooching off your wife

:lmao no regards

[Avante]

:lol so much to do in cali yet the op sits and posts 50 times a day on a forum and reads magazines.

inb4 let's talk about reality, ok amigo?
inb4 responding with a 50 year old blues song
inb4 posting about cali colleges and you didn't attend one
inb4 crying about people following you around
inb4 well it's better than the thread about who has the stinkiest farts
inb4 mooching off your wife


I read far more books than magazines.

Let's start with number one ok?

1. You prefer fantasy?
2. Try 80 year old blues songs.
3. I went to COS in Visalia
4. You dig being followered around?
5. Yep, a lot of shitty threads.
6. It was her idea that I retire. We are $$$$ secure.

Yep, reality is very cool.

Anything else you wanna talk about Greg?

[AussieFanKurt]

Avoiding the key point as always, what a surprise

[Greg Oden]

cool list bro, I'm glad you could shake the arthritis out of your fingers to type that up.



Anything else you wanna talk about Greg?

sure. out of all the times you've posted a youtube on ST, how many times do you actually think people hit play?

[AussieFanKurt]

Posts Per Day 26.22

:lmao

[Greg Oden]

looks like it's dropped off a lot since he stopped bombarding the NFL forum with nonsensical shit.

[Avante]

cool list bro, I'm glad you could shake the arthritis out of your fingers to type that up.



sure. out of all the times you've posted a youtube on ST, how many times do you actually think people hit play?

Didn't you just comment on my posting prowess and now I have arthritis, think about that Greg.

I have no idea how many people click on those videos and I really don't care. Does it bother you and if it does how come?

[Greg Oden]

A case of it has flared up I'm assuming since you went from about 235.43 posts per day to a measly 26.

[Avante]

looks like it's dropped off a lot since he stopped bombarding the NFL forum with nonsensical shit.

You mean stuff that actually tells it like really is? I realize nothing compaRes to rating the black QB's, hahaha!!!!!!! I'll tell you point blank Greg you have a bunch of punk kids there that don't know shit about the NFL. Since I do it bugs them, they wanna keep it...DUH!!!!!

[Greg Oden]

You mean stuff that actually tells it like really is? I realize nothing compaRes to rating the black QB's, hahaha!!!!!!! I'll tell you point blank Greg you have a bunch of punk kids there that don't know shit about the NFL. Since I do it bugs them, they wanna keep it...DUH!!!!!

Have you seen yourself try to get in a discussion in that forum about the modern day league where it's necessary to come up with your own ideas and not regurgitate lists? Totally outclassed.

[Avante]

A case of it has flared up I'm assuming since you went from about 235.43 posts per day to a measly 26.

That's lame dude not surprised you don't know it. So tell me how many posts should we have in a 24 hour period? Obvious you have some number in mind where it's.."that's just right:"...so tell me.

[Greg Oden]

nimber

u wot m8?

[Avante]

Have you seen yourself try to get in a discussion in that forum about the modern day league where it's necessary to come up with your own ideas and not regurgitate lists? Totally outclassed.

You are kidding right?

Didn't I tell everyone about Russell Wilson, well? Did I not nail NE over Houston big, well? Where was I outclassed? Prove yourself.

[Avante]

u wot m8?

Come on that's what little kids play, spelling? Greg, come on man.

Answer the question.

[Greg Oden]

well your old man tirade about needing a great run game to win a SB was silly and you know it.

also lol picking NE to win over SF (your own team) since it was a huge game at home in New England.

[Avante]

well your old man tirade about needing a great run game to win a SB was silly and you know it.

also lol picking NE to win over SF (your own team) since it was a huge game at home in New England.

Who disagreed with me over that NE vs SF play? Outclassed by who?

Talk to any coach at any level and they will all tell you it's starts with a solid running game. Do you listen to any of the talk shows/announcers during the game, obviously you don't. Don't be a fool Greg, we came within a couple plays of seeing a Ravens vs Niners SB last year and you know it. Two teams that run the ball.

Pay attention...

You run you are in third and short, you are running the clock keeping their O on the bench while giving your D some rest.

Tell any football coach.."forget the running game"...hahahaha!!!!!! You'd be laughed at Greg.

The Niners are considered by many to be the best team in the league right now, are they a passing team? You really haven't heard.."The Pats are better than ever, they now have a running game"....really?

[Greg Oden]

we came within a couple plays of seeing a Ravens vs Niners SB last year and you know it. Two teams that run the ball.



Instead we saw 2 teams in the SB that got there due to their QBs who happened to have poor running games :lol

[Avante]

Instead we saw 2 teams in the SB that got there due to their QBs who happened to have poor running games :lol

Tell the Vikings they don't need a running game. So you think one season tells us anything, say it isn't so Greg, you really don't know any better than that? What if the Niners win it this season, you do know they beat the Giants last year and came within a couple fumbles from keeping them out of the SB. Ravens make a FG and there are no Pats in the biggie.

Come on Greg bone up on how things really work as of right now it's very obvious to me you haven't a clue. You can't run the ball in the NFL you will need an Aaron Rogers,/Tom Brady to bail you out how many of those are around?

Greg, do your homework slick, ok?

[Avante]

Avante why are you spewing about California I do not understand this

Look at the state, it's huge. Look at all our schools, the fact we have the ocean, mountains, deserts, big cities all over the place. The ag capital of the world, what's not to like? Look at all our sports teams.

[Greg Oden]

wow you have a lot filler in your posts. Does putting a zinger at the end of them make you feel like you win?


Tell the Vikings they don't need a running a game.

You mean the team that has a RB that possibly will break the single season rushing record and isn't a lock for the playoffs yet? That team?


if you don't you will need an Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady to bail you out how many of those are around?

not a lot but it's not a surprise the last 10 teams to make the SB have gotten there largely due to their QB.

[Avante]

wow you have a lot filler in your posts. Does putting a zinger at the end of them make you feel like you win?



You mean the team that has a RB that possibly will break the single season rushing record and isn't a lock for the playoffs yet? That team?



not a lot but it's not a surprise the last 10 teams to make the SB have gotten there largely due to their QB.


I'm talking about that Viking team that without a running game there is no talk of the playoffs.

Big Ben had a great defense as has Eli, you disagree? Drew Brees didn't have a running game?

How many times have we heard/read about the Packers and Pats realizing they need to get a running game, well? Do you watch the NFL? If you do how can you ignore what we all hear in every single game? Which is....they need to establish that running game. Come on Greg don't act like you don't hear that, ok?

Dude, you have a board up there that wouldn't know Fran Tarkenton from Kookla, Fran and Ollie, since I do I stand out like a sore thumb.

Here's where I go to talk with those who know their stuff.

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/forumdisplay.php?f=75

Anyone trying...let's rate the black QB's...would be banned. Yep, grown ups.

[Greg Oden]

Is your name Avante over there? I'd like to see if you fill that place up with shit posting too.

[Avante]

Is your name Avante over there? I'd like to see if you fill that place up with shit posting too.

Nothing shittier than breaking games down, talking about the realities of the sport. Gotcha! But running down players because of color is oh so cool, right?

[Wild Cobra]

Avante why are you spewing about California I do not understand this
I don't either. California is one of the most fucked up states I ever visited. The air stinks, the water is nasty, the city streets smell. Maybe those who are used to fresh air, and grow up there don't notice. Like going into someones house that uses a litterbox for their cat, rather than letting it in and out. they don't even notice the smell, because they live with it.

I haven't even touched on their economy...

[AussieFanKurt]

he's biased obviously

[The Reckoning]

pretty sure theres a thread about this already. please consolidate this thread with "The Official End of the World Thread." thanks.

[boutons_deux]

so it's all a joke, like all of American distracted, stupid pop culture.

there was Prof of Meso-American studies on NPR this morning saying there was NO MAYAN EVIDENCE of end-of-world, only END OF CALENDAR CYCLE.

[ErnestLynch]

....but only one place survived, how about California? We have it all right here, the ag capital of the world. We have the mountains, the deserts, the ocean. What do we need we don't have, yes we have oil...Bakersfield. We have Stanford, Cal, Fresno State, USC, UCLA, San Diego State, San Jose State, Sac State, CPSLO, a ton of JC's. Hell, we have Hollywood!!! We don't need anywhere else. Ya want football...we have three pro teams and could stick another in LA. The CFL....California Football League.

I'd hate to see everything around California....poof gone....but we could survive on our own.


1FgSmdfRUus

What the world could look like Saturday


http://drawapig.desktopcreatures.com/gallery/2012/12/19/888064.jpg

You'd be Cuba.

[Avante]

You'd be Cuba.


This is Cuba...

http://drawapig.desktopcreatures.com/gallery/2012/12/21/888262.jpg

[Avante]

I don't either. California is one of the most fucked up states I ever visited. The air stinks, the water is nasty, the city streets smell. Maybe those who are used to fresh air, and grow up there don't notice. Like going into someones house that uses a litterbox for their cat, rather than letting it in and out. they don't even notice the smell, because they live with it.

I haven't even touched on their economy...

So why do sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people live here then?

I can be at the coast in 3 hours, be deep in the mountains in 2 hours, be walking the desert in 2 hours. Tons of things to do.

[ChumpDumper]

lol Fresno

[Avante]

lol Fresno

I live about 70 miles south east of Fresno.

[ChumpDumper]

lol SE of Fresno

[Avante]

lol SE of Fresno

Yeah ya know where all those oranges are grown and all those dairies.

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah, the shitty part.

[CuckingFunt]

So why do sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many people live here then?

I can be at the coast in 3 hours, be deep in the mountains in 2 hours, be walking the desert in 2 hours. Tons of things to do.

I am a born and bred Californian, I've lived in almost every part of the state at some point, and I would happily return to certain areas if/when the time finally comes to leave New Orleans. But the entirety of the Central Valley is just horrible. Horrible. Which is made clear by the fact everyone who defends the area does so by listing how quickly you can get to somewhere else.

[clambake]

takes you 3 hours to get to the coast?

whoa.

[ChumpDumper]

I am a born and bred Californian, I've lived in almost every part of the state at some point, and I would happily return to certain areas if/when the time finally comes to leave New Orleans. But the entirety of the Central Valley is just horrible. Horrible. Which is made clear by the fact everyone who defends the area does so by listing how quickly you can get to somewhere else.Exactly. When I lived in California, I lived in a good part. I sure as hell didn't brag about being a couple hours away from 70 miles SE of Fresno.

[Wild Cobra]

I am a born and bred Californian, I've lived in almost every part of the state at some point, and I would happily return to certain areas if/when the time finally comes to leave New Orleans. But the entirety of the Central Valley is just horrible. Horrible. Which is made clear by the fact everyone who defends the area does so by listing how quickly you can get to somewhere else.
LOl...

Even if that were a good thing.

I can get to the coast in a little over an hour, At Timberline lodge for skiing in a litte less than an hour. The other side of the mountains for the desert climate in a little over an hour. Water skiing area in 15 minutes. Up a mountain trail in under 30 minutes.

And guess what...

Portland doesn't smell like urine when it rains!

[Wild Cobra]

Sure, we don't have a NFL team, but we have the Jail Blazers!

[Wild Cobra]

Avante...

If the other states were destroyed, what would California do for electricity?

[Wild Cobra]

You might ask what we would do for gasoline. We could simply start using electric cars, and the 3.1 Giga-watts of power that a non existent LA is no longer using would power them.

Oh...

That 3.1 gigawatts is how much makes it to LA. If it gets there with a 75% efficiency, then it's more like 4 gigawatts we get to keep.

Power a few Deloreans with that!

[clambake]

wc comes to california for his golden showers. lol

[Koolaid_Man]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/1st.jpg

[Wild Cobra]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a68/Koolbreezey/1st.jpg
Never happen.

Unless they come up with something that exonerates her of this Libya thing, she will never be president.

[CuckingFunt]

Portland doesn't smell like urine when it rains!

Neither does Arcata.

Neither does San Francisco.

Neither does Half Moon Bay.

Neither does San Luis Obispo.

Neither does Pasadena.

I could go on...

Avante praising California based on the wonder and beauty of Fresno is hilarious. But so is the notion that Portland has anything that can't also be found in California.

And I say that as someone who quite likes Portland.

[ChumpDumper]

Never happen. Unless they come up with something that exonerates her of this Libya thing, she will never be president.lol you might as well call Hillary a secret Muslim too. It'll be just as effective.

[Wild Cobra]

Avante praising California based on the wonder and beauty of Fresno is hilarious. But so is the notion that Portland has anything that can't also be found in California.

And I say that as someone who quite likes Portland.
I'm not saying Portland has more. That would be wrong. From a practical point, California is not a self sufficient state. Nearly all their energy, they bring in from other states. They have a really fucked up financial situation as well. The only thing Oregon lacks that I can think of is fuel for cars, trucks, oil furnaces, etc. We have a huge underground natural gas pipe, but I don't know if it is an Oregon source, or elsewhere. I think it comes from a tap in the side of the mountain. Three powerful hydroelectric dams for electricity, nearly all of which currently gets sent to Los Angeles. We have several smaller hydroelectric dams as well.

What good are the additional universities and entertainment if most the population has no electricity or transportation?

[Wild Cobra]

lol you might as well call Hillary a secret Muslim too. It'll be just as effective.
I'll leave the false charges to you Chump. You are a master of those things.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll leave the false charges to you Chump. You are a master of those things.Um, you just made some up there, WC. I bet you smell like urine.

[Wild Cobra]

Um, you just made some up there, WC. I bet you smell like urine.
There are parts of downtown SF that do smell like urine when it rains. It is really noticeable when it's the first rain after being dry for a while.

Maybe you piss on yourself so much, you don't notice. You might simply be used to the smell...

[ChumpDumper]

There are parts of downtown SF that do smell like urine. It is really noticeable when it's the first rain after being dry for a while.The same as any big city including Portland.


Maybe you piss on yourself so much, you don't notice. You might simply be used to the smell...You really think that joke is effective after I made the exact same joke?

[mavs>spurs]

Exactly. When I lived in California, I lived in a good part. I sure as hell didn't brag about being a couple hours away from 70 miles SE of Fresno.

This explains a lot..so you're one of those trendy liberal fags who are moving to austin to try to bankrupt our state like you bankrupted california. why don't you stay over there and reap what you sew faggot..real Texan niggas got somethin for that ass soon homeboy, just watch.

[ChumpDumper]

This explains a lot..so you're one of those trendy liberal fags who are moving to austin to try to bankrupt our state like you bankrupted california.I was born in Texas and lived here more than 90% of my life.
why don't you stay over there and reap what you sew faggot..real Texan niggas got somethin for that ass soon homeboy, just watch.Quit coming on to me.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

California's economy was fine before Bill Clinton's laissez-faire idea of deregulated energy left it at the mercy of Enron.

[symple19]

:lol Cen-Cal

:lol most conservative area in america outside the deep south

:lol boring, awful place to live

[symple19]

I'm not saying Portland has more. That would be wrong. From a practical point, California is not a self sufficient state. Nearly all their energy, they bring in from other states. They have a really fucked up financial situation as well. The only thing Oregon lacks that I can think of is fuel for cars, trucks, oil furnaces, etc. We have a huge underground natural gas pipe, but I don't know if it is an Oregon source, or elsewhere. I think it comes from a tap in the side of the mountain. Three powerful hydroelectric dams for electricity, nearly all of which currently gets sent to Los Angeles. We have several smaller hydroelectric dams as well.

What good are the additional universities and entertainment if most the population has no electricity or transportation?

Oregon is the Arkansas of the NW

More white trash than any other state outside the deep south... by a long shot

[Wild Cobra]

This explains a lot..so you're one of those trendy liberal fags who are moving to austin to try to bankrupt our state like you bankrupted california. why don't you stay over there and reap what you sew faggot..real Texan niggas got somethin for that ass soon homeboy, just watch.
:tu

[Wild Cobra]

Oregon is the Arkansas of the NW

More white trash than any other state outside the deep south... by a long shot
Really?

have you ever been here?

I call Portland the capital of the North-Left coast.

Now if you are using the term "white trash" like I think you are, then you are wrong.

What do you mean by "white trash?"

[ChumpDumper]

:tum>s and WC.

Sittin' a tree.

Smellin' like pee.

[mavs>spurs]

kickin chump in the tee tee hee hee

[ChumpDumper]

kickin chump in the tee tee hee heeBy incorrectly declaring I was from California?

CROFL

My dick is hard to miss, but you managed to miss it completely.

[mavs>spurs]

you reek of california. you belonged there..look into going back asap. your kind won't be welcome here soon.

[ChumpDumper]

you reek of california. you belonged there..look into going back asap. your kind won't be welcome here soon.Man, the holidays are when you miss your foreskin most of all, m>s.

http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/5436016/il_fullxfull.215568320.jpg

[symple19]

Really?

have you ever been here?

I call Portland the capital of the North-Left coast.

Now if you are using the term "white trash" like I think you are, then you are wrong.

What do you mean by "white trash?"

Yes, multiple times

Portland is a cool town and the state is beautiful, but it's filled with the dumbest, beardiest, flanneliest, meth-mouthed, trailer-dwelling, canned-beer drinking, log-truck driving, hillbilly rednecks west of the Mississippi.

The people there, as you and TLongII both reinforce on a daily basis, have the biggest inferiority complex to californians I've ever seen. You also get butthurt incredibly easily when somebody actually tells the truth about your state.

It has its redeeming qualities, don't get me wrong, but to even talk about Oregon in the same breath as Cali is laughable. Just accept that your state basically copies everything california does (wine, craft beer etc) and doesn't do as good of a job at itPERIOD.

[symple19]

Let me amend that by saying the deep south states (west of the ms river) + Oklahoma are worse than Oregon (excluding Texas)


But only marginally

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sorry senor but plenty of deep south states east of the MS river are also worse than Oregon :lol

Portland is one of the worst cities I've ever been to though, and it's amazing how people from Oregon are so repulsive compared to people from Seattle. True story, the one person I ever met from Portland who seemed cool ended up being a fugitive wanted on 3 counts of murder who was working at the same place I was with a fake ID and a bullshit identity.

[symple19]

Sorry senor but plenty of deep south states east of the MS river are also worse than Oregon :lol

Portland is one of the worst cities I've ever been to though, and it's amazing how people from Oregon are so repulsive compared to people from Seattle. True story, the one person I ever met from Portland who seemed cool ended up being a fugitive wanted on 3 counts of murder who was working at the same place I was with a fake ID and a bullshit identity.

:lol I was only talking about states west of the MS river... Of course there are worse states to the east

[symple19]

I like Portland, but SF and Seattle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Portland

Hell, Vancouver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Portland

[CuckingFunt]

The thing that always amuses me the most about this argument is that California is the third largest state in the country and is incredibly diverse in terms of its geography, population density, and culture. It's a massive state, which not even I fully realized/appreciated until I moved away a couple years ago. In the time it would take me to drive from San Diego to Humboldt County, going just along the coast, I could go on a road trip here that would take me through nine or ten states. And in that drive you'd hit everything from arid desert, to rough mountains, to coastal redwoods; from congested urban cities to empty rural farmland. So whatever complaint (or praise, for that matter) a person may have about a particular city or region in California, it doesn't apply to the whole state. While a number of the stereotypes may be true of a particular city or region, you can drive two hours in any direction and I guarantee those stereotypes will no longer be true.

It's something I'd expect more Texans to understand, frankly, considering how drastically that state also changes from border to border.

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, multiple times

Portland is a cool town and the state is beautiful, but it's filled with the dumbest, beardiest, flanneliest, meth-mouthed, trailer-dwelling, canned-beer drinking, log-truck driving, hillbilly rednecks west of the Mississippi.

The people there, as you and TLongII both reinforce on a daily basis, have the biggest inferiority complex to californians I've ever seen. You also get butthurt incredibly easily when somebody actually tells the truth about your state.

It has its redeeming qualities, don't get me wrong, but to even talk about Oregon in the same breath as Cali is laughable. Just accept that your state basically copies everything california does (wine, craft beer etc) and doesn't do as good of a job at itPERIOD.
Yes, we have been "Californicated." That is a term used here long before the series ever aired. Inferiority complex? No. Yes, we have a large drug using homeless population which, thanks to the liberal city council, enables.

Butthurt over what others say? Well, I guess that's a matter of perspective. This state definitely has it's share of flaws. I will never deny that. What state doesn't? If you are going to say that California doesn't have even more flaws, then I say you are in denial.

This is still a very good state, overall. 30 years ago, before we were californicated, it was a far better state than today.

Seriously though, under the pretense of the OP, where would California get it's electrical needs for it's population?

[Wild Cobra]

Let me amend that by saying the deep south states (west of the ms river) + Oklahoma are worse than Oregon (excluding Texas)


But only marginally
LOL...

Oklahoma marginally worse...

Shit. I would class Oklahoma as the worse state I have visited!

[Wild Cobra]

The thing that always amuses me the most about this argument is that California is the third largest state in the country and is incredibly diverse in terms of its geography, population density, and culture. It's a massive state, which not even I fully realized/appreciated until I moved away a couple years ago. In the time it would take me to drive from San Diego to Humboldt County, going just along the coast, I could go on a road trip here that would take me through nine or ten states. And in that drive you'd hit everything from arid desert, to rough mountains, to coastal redwoods; from congested urban cities to empty rural farmland. So whatever complaint (or praise, for that matter) a person may have about a particular city or region in California, it doesn't apply to the whole state. While a number of the stereotypes may be true of a particular city or region, you can drive two hours in any direction and I guarantee those stereotypes will no longer be true.

It's something I'd expect more Texans to understand, frankly, considering how drastically that state also changes from border to border.
I have to admit, I like most of norther California. I could call it the Southern Oregon, but wouldn't that be like calling Oklahoma, norther Texas?

[symple19]

LOL...

Oklahoma marginally worse...

Shit. I would class Oklahoma as the worse state I have visited!

If Oregon didn't have the abundance of natural beauty + Portland then it would more or less = Oklahoma --- Same caliber of white trash with an affinity for meth, gun racks, and dirt

Oh, Oregon has much better buds, so I guess there's that, too

[symple19]

Yes, I would agree that Oklahoma is the worst state in the nation

[CuckingFunt]

Yes, I would agree that Oklahoma is the worst state in the nation

It's a toss up between that and Arkansas for me.

And all the parts of South Dakota that aren't the Black Hills or the Badlands.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Arkansas and OK are one and the same. Two biggest meth users in the country.

[Wild Cobra]

Oh, Oregon has much better buds, so I guess there's that, too
I may be wrong, but I think Oregon probably has the best bud!

[symple19]

The thing that always amuses me the most about this argument is that California is the third largest state in the country and is incredibly diverse in terms of its geography, population density, and culture. It's a massive state, which not even I fully realized/appreciated until I moved away a couple years ago. In the time it would take me to drive from San Diego to Humboldt County, going just along the coast, I could go on a road trip here that would take me through nine or ten states. And in that drive you'd hit everything from arid desert, to rough mountains, to coastal redwoods; from congested urban cities to empty rural farmland. So whatever complaint (or praise, for that matter) a person may have about a particular city or region in California, it doesn't apply to the whole state. While a number of the stereotypes may be true of a particular city or region, you can drive two hours in any direction and I guarantee those stereotypes will no longer be true.

It's something I'd expect more Texans to understand, frankly, considering how drastically that state also changes from border to border.

California, geographically, is really without peer. Culturally, I think a majority of the states on the periphery of this country can lay claim to sizable differences within their own borders.

[symple19]

I may be wrong, but I think Oregon probably has the best bud!

Emerald triangle > Oregon (only comparing outdoor)

But no question the dank from Oregon is very, very good.

[CuckingFunt]

California, geographically, is really without peer. Culturally, I think a majority of the states on the periphery of this country can lay claim to sizable differences within their own borders.

Admittedly that might have been a poor word choice on my part for the point I was trying to make, but I can't necessarily think of a better way to put it. Was mostly thinking in terms of the fact that the stereotypical San Franciscan or Los Angelino isn't found throughout the entire state. Communities and attitudes vary tremendously depending where in California you are.

Which, incidentally, I didn't mean to suggest was unique to California. Just further evidence the "California is ______" argument is a dumb one.

[symple19]

Arkansas and OK are one and the same. Two biggest meth users in the country.

Pretty much. I would literally drive down to Dallas from Lawton, Ok so I could take I-20 back to see my Dad in Bama instead of taking the shorter I-40 route. This after getting stuck in Arky, in my car, for 27 (usually takes about 12 from OK to AL) straight hours because they were too stupid to salt/sand the interstate during the 04' ice storm. I literally fell asleep in my car (no hotels or shelters were open/had room) with it in park on the interstate and woke up to a state trooper tapping on my window with a flashlight. There were national guard driving up and down the median passing out MRE's to people who were hungry. The storm had been hyped for a week beforehand and they were still unprepared. When I finally got to Memphis there was literally no snow/ice on the roads and it was clear sailing the rest of the way.

Unsurprisingly, Huckabee was the governor at the time :lol

I vowed to never go back. So far, so good

[symple19]

Admittedly that might have been a poor word choice on my part for the point I was trying to make, but I can't necessarily think of a better way to put it. Was mostly thinking in terms of the fact that the stereotypical San Franciscan or Los Angelino isn't found throughout the entire state. Communities and attitudes vary tremendously depending where in California you are.

Which, incidentally, I didn't mean to suggest was unique to California. Just further evidence the "California is ______" argument is a dumb one.

I got your point. It's difficult to lump most states into one characterization (for comparison purposes). Just doing it here to piss off the Oregonian

[Wild Cobra]

I got your point. It's difficult to lump most states into one characterization (for comparison purposes). Just doing it here to piss off the Oregonian
OK, that's better. For a moment, I thought you were daft.

[symple19]

OK, that's better. For a moment, I thought you were daft.

That's rich coming from you :lol

[Avante]

How in the hell can ya beat SF and San Diego, yes not too fond of LA. Look at all those big cities and small towns. What state has so many large cities? The diversity. SOCal, NORCAL, Central Valley is like three different states. Then there's that region above SF. How long is that coast line, how high are those mountains? Ya want the desert we have the Mojave. What state has more schools to pick from? How many pro sports teams? Seven division I football teams. Hollywood~!

If only one state survived, Cali would be the one we'd want to be stuck in.

Obviously I'm tongue and cheeking this, can't believe anyone would get all wrapped up in things like electricity. My...obvious...point was here in Cali we do have more choices in everything. Yes we really do, from education to entertainment to the different ways of life. We do have it all.

[Wild Cobra]

How in the hell can ya beat SF and San Diego, yes not too fond of LA. Look at all those big cities and small towns. What state has so many large cities? The diversity. SOCal, NORCAL, Central Valley is like three different states. Then there's that region above SF. How long is that coast line, how high are those mountains? Ya want the desert we have the Mojave. What state has more schools to pick from? How many pro sports teams? Seven division I football teams. Hollywood~!

If only one state survived, Cali would be the one we'd want to be stuck in.

Obviously I'm tongue and cheeking this, can't believe anyone would get all wrapped up in things like electricity. My...obvious...point was here in Cali we do have more choices in everything. Yes we really do, from education to entertainment to the different ways of life. We do have it all.
Electricity isn't important to support all those good things you talk about?

OK...

[Avante]

Electricity isn't important to support all those good things you talk about?

OK...

I thought my little picture of Cali all alone in the middle of the ocean would give it away.

[Wild Cobra]

I thought my little picture of Cali all alone in the middle of the ocean would give it away.
Do you think all those good things you rave about will remain if there is almost no electricity?

[Avante]

Do you think all those good things you rave about will remain if there is almost no electricity?

Let's say that this really did happen and all we had left was California. Obviously we'd see all kinds of things done to keep us alive. There would be all kinds of restictions put in place, new laws about everything. The powers that be would be well aware of the situation and what needs to be done to make it work. Yes the electricity situation would be taken into consideration and what could be done would be done. Obviouisly nothing would be like it was. We don't know how things would go.

Do you really think I think we'd have pro sports and still be making movies, come on man. It would be all about trying to survive.

[Wild Cobra]

Let's say that this really did happen and all we had left was California. Obviously we'd see all kinds of things done to keep us alive. There would be all kinds of restictions put in place, new laws about everything. The powers that be would be well aware of the situation and what needs to be done to make it work. Yes the electricity situation would be taken into consideration and what could be done would be done. Obviouisly nothing would be like it was. We don't know how things would go.

Do you really think I think we'd have pro sports and still be making movies, come on man. It would be all about trying to survive.
Oregon wouldn't have that problem. The only thing we would have to worry about is building an electric car factory, since we have to import fuel. We are otherwise self sufficient.

[Avante]

Oregon wouldn't have that problem. The only thing we would have to worry about is building an electric car factory, since we have to import fuel. We are otherwise self sufficient.

No way in hell I'd want to live in Oregon.

[Wild Cobra]

No way in hell I'd want to live in Oregon.
LOL...

What's bad about Oregon besides having to become a Duck?

[Avante]

LOL...

What's bad about Oregon besides having to become a Duck?

There I sit on those hard Ratcliff Stadium bleachers, the next event on the track the JC 4x1 relay.

lane

1.Merritt
2.Contra Costa
3.SFCC
4.LBCC
5.Laney
6.Sac City
7.Fresno City
8.Hartnell

That right after the intercollegiate 4x1..

lane

1.Fresno State
2.San Jose State
3.UCLA
4.Cal
5.San Diego State
6.USC
7.Stanford
8.CPSLO

Try doing that in Oregon.

[Wild Cobra]

There I sit on those hard Ratcliff Stadium bleachers, the next event on the track the JC 4x1 relay.

lane

1.Merritt
2.Contra Costa
3.SFCC
4.LBCC
5.Laney
6.Sac City
7.Fresno City
8.Hartnell

That right after the intercollegiate 4x1..

lane

1.Fresno State
2.San Jose State
3.UCLA
4.Cal
5.San Diego State
6.USC
7.Stanford
8.CPSLO

Try doing that in Oregon.
So we have less colleges. Big deal. Grow up, are are you frozen in the early post pimple days? We have Oregon State University, University of Oregon, Lewis and Clark, Eastern Oregon College, Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU), Portland State university, Southern Oregon university, Western Oregon university, Oregon institute of technology, and University of Phoenix (Oregon Campus). Those are just the high level colleges. we have several more.

OHSU is renowned world wide.

We have NIKE and Intel Development, Flir, Tektronix, and Novellus, just to speak of a few big important corporate places.

Back to electricity. Just the three large Oregon hydroelectric dams produce a total of 5,454 Megawatts of electrical power. Almost enough to power five time traveling Deloreans at the same time.

Let's see you do that in California!

[Avante]

So we have less colleges. Big deal. Grow up, are are you frozen in the early post pimple days? We have Oregon State University, University of Oregon, Lewis and Clark, Eastern Oregon College, Oregon Health Sciences University (OHSU), Portland State university, Southern Oregon university, Western Oregon university, Oregon institute of technology, and University of Phoenix (Oregon Campus). Those are just the high level colleges. we have several more.

OHSU is renowned world wide.

We have NIKE and Intel Development, Flir, Tektronix, and Novellus, just to speak of a few big important corporate places.

Back to electricity. Just the three large Oregon hydroelectric dams produce a total of 5,454 Megawatts of electrical power. Almost enough to power five time traveling Deloreans at the same time.

Let's see you do that in California!

Dude, we have over 200 colleges, a dozen large cities. How many pro teams? Ever been to Monterey, Santa Cruz? Yep, you got some electricity, hahahaha!!!!!! Who cares?

Once again, we have tons of choices, Oregon very few.

[Wild Cobra]

Again, what good do those tons of choices do with no power?

California, if by itself and no subsidies from other states, would revert to a Mad Max type society.

[Avante]

Again, what good do those tons of choices do with no power?

California, if by itself and no subsidies from other states, would revert to a Mad Max type society.

Ok forget the fantasy.

Now give me one good reason to leave Cali for Oregon.

[Wild Cobra]

Ok forget the fantasy.

Now give me one good reason to leave Cali for Oregon.
I can give you several, but please don't! Therefore I will not give you reasons.

Now I have been looking at energy for California. It looks like California can generate more of it's power than I thought. It looks like it is self sufficient in about 20% of its electrical needs, where Oregon has probably has about 2,000% capacity. That leaves 1,900% of our current capacity to filter to electric car needs. Does California have enough oil production to keep cars running? Much the California natural gas production is used for that electrical generation. What isn't used for electricity, is probably for home water heaters, heating, etc. Since electricity is so cheap in Oregon, most homes are heated with electricity.
If you think I'm joking about us supplying Los Angelas with 50% of it's peak electrical needs, read here:

wiki: Pacific DC Intertie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie)


The Pacific DC Intertie (also called Path 65) is an electric power transmission line that transmits electricity from the Pacific Northwest to the Los Angeles area using high voltage direct current (HVDC). The line capacity is 3,100 megawatts, which is enough to serve two to three million Los Angeles households and is 48.7% of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power (LADWP) electrical system's peak capacity.

That line is only to Los Angeles (Sylmar). The pacific Northwest as a whole, sends about 20 gigawatts to California. The sending station from The Dalles Oregon (Celilo) is just less than a miles away from The Dalles Dam.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/satellite%20view/CeliloConverterStation-2.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/satellite%20view/NWPower.jpg

[ChumpDumper]

Let's say that this really did happen and all we had left was California. Obviously we'd see all kinds of things done to keep us alive. There would be all kinds of restictions put in place, new laws about everything. The powers that be would be well aware of the situation and what needs to be done to make it work. Yes the electricity situation would be taken into consideration and what could be done would be done. Obviouisly nothing would be like it was. We don't know how things would go.

Do you really think I think we'd have pro sports and still be making movies, come on man. It would be all about trying to survive.So no college track relays.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Unsurprisingly, Huckabee was the governor at the time :lol

Well then it makes sense, he prolly thought Jeebus would melt the ice if the highway got dangerous.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

University of Phoenix (Oregon Campus). Those are just the high level colleges.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao calling UofP a high level college

[johnsmith]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao calling UofP a high level college

:lol

[Avante]

So no college track relays.

The bottom line is that there are just too many things going on here in Cali compared to Oregon. More of everything.

If you're a music freak, it's Cali.
If ya dig football, Cali.
If you're into track, Cali.
Young cat running the bars, Cali.
Mountain climber, Cali.
Artist, Cali.
Bobybuiler, boxer, MMA, Cali.
Actor, Cali.
Farmer, Cali.

And on and on.

[ChumpDumper]

The bottom line is that there are just too many things going on here in Cali compared to Oregon. More of everything.

If you're a music freak, it's Cali.
If ya dig football, Cali.
If you're into track, Cali.
Young cat running the bars, Cali.
Mountain climber, Cali.
Artist, Cali.
Bobybuiler, boxer, MMA, Cali.
Actor, Cali.
Farmer, Cali.

And on and on.Most of that shit won't be going on after whatever cataclysm occurs to make California the only place left. So it's moot.

[Avante]

Most of that shit won't be going on after whatever cataclysm occurs to make California the only place left. So it's moot.

Obviously not at first but once the powers that be figured it all out I'd rather be someplace with all that than someplace without it.

I lived in SF and SD back in my Navy days, Oregon has nothing like that.

For a young guy out running the streets, Oregon over Cali....hahahaha!!!!! What state has more beautiful women than Cali?

Cali simply has it all, far more diverse than Oregon.

[ChumpDumper]

Obviously not at first but once the powers that be figured it all out I'd rather be someplace with all that than someplace without it.

I lived in SF and SD back in my Navy days, Oregon has nothing like that.

For a young guy out running the streets, Oregon over Cali....hahahaha!!!!! What state has more beautiful women than Cali?

Cali simply has it all, far more diverse than Oregon.But you live in this shitty part. Oregon is much better than the shitty part of California.

[Wild Cobra]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao calling UofP a high level college
I almost left that out. They were in the list I pulled from. They have an actual campus here rather than their mail order crap.

What can I say. Education has been going down hill for decades.

[Avante]

But you live in this shitty part. Oregon is much better than the shitty part of California.

Wrong as usual. Dude, love the valley, fantastic place to live. So talk to me about Delano.

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong as usual. Dude, love the valley, fantastic place to live. So talk to me about Delano.The valley is horrible. The only positive thing you wrote about it is that its relatively easy to get away from it to go to the much better places in California.

[Avante]

The valley is horrible. The only positive thing you wrote about it is that its relatively easy to get away from it to go to the much better places in California.

I noticed you ignored my question, talk to me about Delano. How about Lindsay? Exeter? Visalia? Tulare? Lemoore? Go ahead elaborate.

[ChumpDumper]

I noticed you ignored my question, talk to me about Delano. How about Lindsay? Exeter? Visalia? Tulare? Lemoore? Go ahead elaborate.What? All the shitty towns in the shitty part of California?

They're shitty. The good places in California are not those places. Even you pimp San Diego and San Francisco over these shitty places.

[Avante]

So you've never been to any of those places but know all about them, hahahaha!!!!!!!! What a waste of time you are. Come on man how obvious can you make it. If I lived in Oregon it would suck, if I gave you a brand new 100 dollar bill it would suck. Dude, come on man, ok? It's getting ridiculous.

[ChumpDumper]

So you've never been to any of those places but know all about them, hahahaha!!!!!!!! What a waste of time you are. Come on man how obvious can you make it. If I lived in Oregon it would suck, of I gave you a brand new 100 dollar bill it would suck. Dude, come on man, ok?I've been through shitty towns in the valley to get to better places, just like you said.

They are shitty.

[Avante]

So what's shitty about Visalia, go ahead elaborate.

Visalia was soooooooo shitty, because..............???

Love to see your idea of shitty.

[ChumpDumper]

So what's shitty about Visalia, go ahead elaborate.

Visalia was soooooooo shitty, because..............???

Love to see your idea of shitty.Read it slowly, you might get it.

There are many great places in Claifornia.

The central valley of California is a shitty part of California.

Visalia is in the central valley of California.

Therefore Visalia is in a shitty part of California and, by definition, shitty.

By your own admission, the best thing about the shitty part of the state is that it is not too long a drive to much better parts of the state -- those parts you use to actually make a case for California's being a good state.

[Avante]

Just as I thought you have no clue about what you are talking about yet again.

The collie is a dog
pitbulls are vicious it is also a dog
so a collie is also vicious being a dog

What sort of stupid bullshit is that? Just admit yoiu have never been to any of those places I mentioned and have no idea at all about anything having to do with them.....ok?


Dude, why are so fucked? I mean really, running down places you know nothing about talking bullshitt to people who know far more about things than your dumbass, what is your problem?

Where did I say thre valley was shitty and I needed to escape, try I didn't ya dumb fuck.

Ok man as usual I can only handle a dummy like you for so long, you are simply too stupid to waste anymore time on. I'll toss ya a bone tomorrow, I'll need a laugh or two then.

[ChumpDumper]

Just as I thought you half no clue about what you are talking about yet again.

The collie is a dog
pitbulls are vicious it is also a dog'
so a collie is also vicious being a dogThat's a false analogy. I already said there are places in California that are not shitty like the central valley is shitty.


What sort of stupid bullshit is that? Just admit yoiu have never been to any of those placesI mentioned and have no idea at all about anything having to do with them.....ok?Except I have. Compared to the other places I have been in California, the central valley is shitty. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.


Dude, why are so fucked? I mean really, running down places you knownothing about talking bullshitt to peoplre who know far more about things than 6yur dumbass, why is your problem?I have an opinion that the valley is shitty.


Where did I say thre valley was shitty and I needed to escape, try I didn't ya dumb fuck.I never said you said anything of the sort. You're really losing the run of this conversation.


Ok man as usual I can only handle a dummy like you for so long, you are simply too stupid to waste anymore time on. I'll toss ya a bone tomorrow, I'll need a laugh or two then.Yeah, you really seem to be laughing at this point.

[Avante]

That's a false analogy. I already said there are places in California that are not shitty like the central valley is shitty.

Except I have. Compared to the other places I have been in California, the central valley is shitty. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

I have an opinion that the valley is shitty.

I never said you said anything of the sort. You're really losing the run of this conversation.

Yeah, you really seem to be laughing at this point.

Trust me on this one slick, there are a handful of you little fucks I led around by the nose. You are one of them, yep...I work ya like the little whore you are. Totally own your ass.

See ya~~~~~~~

[ChumpDumper]

Trust me on this one slick, there are a handful of you little fucks I led around by the nose. You are one of them, yep...I work ya like the little whore you are. Totally own your ass.

See ya~~~~~~~I understand it's very important for you to believe that and you hope others here believe that as well.

[Avante]

I understand it's very important for you to believe that and you hope others here believe that as well.

Dude, do you not spent a huge % of your time here on this board humping my leg? Is that not a fact? So what do you think everyone sees? They see a dumbass like you totally wrapped up in......me. Facts are facts amigo. You follow me around, why pretend you don't? Prove me wrong by ignoring me. You can't do it and we all know it, yep, I own you. Prove me wrong by not responding, I guarantree...GUARANTEE....you can't do it, yep...owned!!!!!!!!!

Watch how bad this little shit has it.

[Trainwreck2100]

So what do you think everyone sees? They see a dumbass like you totally wrapped up in......me.

that's now what i see

[Avante]

Who gives a fuck what you see, who are you, yep...nobody.

[CuckingFunt]

Wrong as usual. Dude, love the valley, fantastic place to live. So talk to me about Delano.


I noticed you ignored my question, talk to me about Delano. How about Lindsay? Exeter? Visalia? Tulare? Lemoore? Go ahead elaborate.

They're horrible. All of them. As are Salida, Hughson, Ceres, Turlock, Lodi, Galt, Fresno, and on, and on...

[Avante]

They're horrible. All of them. As are Salida, Hughson, Ceres, Turlock, Lodi, Galt, Fresno, and on, and on...

What's horrible about Ceres? Had some family who lived there. How about Modesto? Be specific.

[CuckingFunt]

What's horrible about Ceres? Had some family who lived there. How about Modesto? Be specific.

Flat, ugly, conservative, horrible air quality, not a damn thing to do other than go to the mall or, if you're really thirsty for culture, a scintillating production by the Townsend Opera Players, the weather sucks, Highway 99 sucks, and, again, on and on.

I'm more curious to know what qualities, specifically, you think make Modesto or Ceres or any other little nothing town in the Central Valley so wonderful. You've yet to put forth a terribly strong argument in the affirmative.

[Avante]

Flat, ugly, conservative, horrible air quality, not a damn thing to do other than go to the mall or, if you're really thirsty for culture, a scintillating production by the Townsend Opera Players, the weather sucks, Highway 99 sucks, and, again, on and on.

I'm more curious to know what qualities, specifically, you think make Modesto or Ceres or any other little nothing town in the Central Valley so wonderful. You've yet to put forth a terribly strong argument in the affirmative.

A lot of jobs to begin with, a lot of people doing well for themselves. You can actually go to a liquor store at 1am and not be afraid. You can be out in the county in 30 minutes no matter which Hwy 99 town you're in.

I've ran those SF, North Hollywood, Oakland, San Diego streets at night, lotta freaks.

Love Hwy99, especially going over the Grapevine.

I'm not saying central Cali compares to Monterey/Santa Cruz/Carmel, but what does?

[Wild Cobra]

I completely forgot about the shitty air quality.

[Avante]

I completely forgot about the shitty air quality.

Lived here all my life have never thought...what shitty air we have today.

[Wild Cobra]

Lived here all my life have never thought...what shitty air we have today.
Well, when you live in clean air, and go to a place like that. You notice it. Living with it, you grow accustom to it.

[Avante]

Well, when you live in clean air, and go to a place like that. You notice it. Living with it, you grow accustom to it.

I've spend days in the mountains and over at the coast and once back home I can't tell any difference. Never heard anyone complaining about the air quality.

[silverblk mystix]

I've spend days in the mountains and over at the coast and once back home I can't tell any difference. Never heard anyone complaining about the air quality.



Hey Bro, if you said you lived in heaven itself - these idiots would tell you that heaven was shitty, the air was thin and would moan & groan about it. What else do they ever do?


Yup. Nothing.

[Wild Cobra]

Regardless of which state anyone thinks is best now, what states could survive being the only one left? What states can rely the least on the resources of other states? Which states would life as we know it change the least? After all, the scenario was if only one survived.

[CuckingFunt]

A lot of jobs to begin with,

Jobs doing what? There's no industry in the Central Valley. There's agriculture and wine, but that mostly results in a few wealthy families and an army of underpaid illegals.


a lot of people doing well for themselves.

Stockton, and the surrounding Central Valley, was pretty much the epicenter for the recent housing crisis, still hasn't recovered, and the economy in the area is in general still depressed. However many people there are doing well in the Central Valley, there are FAR more who are struggling and living in horrible conditions. I worked in real estate for the ten years I lived in Stockton, have a number of family members who still do, have owned investment and rental properties in the area, know several people who still do own property in the area, and I know full well that the market is still in the tank.


You can actually go to a liquor store at 1am and not be afraid.

You likely can't find a liquor store that's even open at 1:00am. Because nothing is. Except shitty strip mall bars. If you do find one that's open, you're likely ducking meth heads. And the crime stats in a number of those Central Valley cities are pretty atrocious.


You can be out in the county in 30 minutes no matter which Hwy 99 town you're in.

That's back to liking the Central Valley because of how quickly you can get away from it. And if it's Stanislaus, San Joaquin, or one of the other Central Valley counties, going there really isn't anything special.


I've ran those SF, North Hollywood, Oakland, San Diego streets at night, lotta freaks.

Well, sure. But there's also life. The freaks exist every bit as much late at night in the Central Valley, but they're wandering streets that are completely empty amongst businesses that are all closed. Which I find a tad more disconcerting.


Love Hwy99, especially going over the Grapevine.

Highway 99 doesn't go over the Grapevine. And the Grapevine isn't in the Central Valley.


I'm not saying central Cali compares to Monterey/Santa Cruz/Carmel, but what does?

No. But you're trying to argue that the Central Valley is a good part of California. Which it isn't.

[silverblk mystix]

Jobs doing what? There's no industry in the Central Valley. There's agriculture and wine, but that mostly results in a few wealthy families and an army of underpaid illegals.



Stockton, and the surrounding Central Valley, was pretty much the epicenter for the recent housing crisis, still hasn't recovered, and the economy in the area is in general still depressed. However many people there are doing well in the Central Valley, there are FAR more who are struggling and living in horrible conditions. I worked in real estate for the ten years I lived in Stockton, have a number of family members who still do, have owned investment and rental properties in the area, know several people who still do own property in the area, and I know full well that the market is still in the tank.



You likely can't find a liquor store that's even open at 1:00am. Because nothing is. Except shitty strip mall bars. If you do find one that's open, you're likely ducking meth heads. And the crime stats in a number of those Central Valley cities are pretty atrocious.



That's back to liking the Central Valley because of how quickly you can get away from it. And if it's Stanislaus, San Joaquin, or one of the other Central Valley counties, going there really isn't anything special.



Well, sure. But there's also life. The freaks exist every bit as much late at night in the Central Valley, but they're wandering streets that are completely empty amongst businesses that are all closed. Which I find a tad more disconcerting.



Highway 99 doesn't go over the Grapevine. And the Grapevine isn't in the Central Valley.



No. But you're trying to argue that the Central Valley is a good part of California. Which it isn't.





smh

[Avante]

Hey Bro, if you said you lived in heaven itself - these idiots would tell you that heaven was shitty, the air was thin and would moan & groan about it. What else do they ever do?


Yup. Nothing.

You've noticed that also.


I once listed every sub10.20 sprinter who ever lived. Guy comes back correcting my spelling, hahahaha!!!!!!!

Human nature....he knows too much I'll show him....hahahaha!!!!!!!!

[Avante]

Jobs doing what? There's no industry in the Central Valley. There's agriculture and wine, but that mostly results in a few wealthy families and an army of underpaid illegals.



Stockton, and the surrounding Central Valley, was pretty much the epicenter for the recent housing crisis, still hasn't recovered, and the economy in the area is in general still depressed. However many people there are doing well in the Central Valley, there are FAR more who are struggling and living in horrible conditions. I worked in real estate for the ten years I lived in Stockton, have a number of family members who still do, have owned investment and rental properties in the area, know several people who still do own property in the area, and I know full well that the market is still in the tank.



You likely can't find a liquor store that's even open at 1:00am. Because nothing is. Except shitty strip mall bars. If you do find one that's open, you're likely ducking meth heads. And the crime stats in a number of those Central Valley cities are pretty atrocious.



That's back to liking the Central Valley because of how quickly you can get away from it. And if it's Stanislaus, San Joaquin, or one of the other Central Valley counties, going there really isn't anything special.



Well, sure. But there's also life. The freaks exist every bit as much late at night in the Central Valley, but they're wandering streets that are completely empty amongst businesses that are all closed. Which I find a tad more disconcerting.



Highway 99 doesn't go over the Grapevine. And the Grapevine isn't in the Central Valley.



No. But you're trying to argue that the Central Valley is a good part of California. Which it isn't.

Don't get out much do ya? Liquor stores not open at 1am? Where?

Who said the grapevine was in the valley? While in name Hwy 99 runs right up to the grapevine you are still on the same Hwy you were traveling.

No the freaks don't run amock here like they do in those places I mentioned, totally wrong!!! Never been to Oakland after dark have you? How about Hayward? Ever been to Compton?

The central valley is nothing like the picture you are trying to paint, tons of farming which is always great.

[johnsmith]

Its funny to me that a guy as old as Avante still doesn't realize that his opinion isn't always correct.

And Avante, Colorado, blows that state out of the water.

[johnsmith]

Don't get out much do ya? Liquor stores not open at 1am? Where?

Who said the grapevine was in the valley? While in name Hwy 99 runs right up to the grapevine you are still on the same Hwy you were traveling.

No the freaks don't run amock here like they do in those places I mentioned, totally wrong!!! Never been to Oakland after dark have you? How about Hayward? Ever been to Compton?

The central valley is nothing like the picture you are trying to paint, tons of farming which is always great.

[Trill Clinton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLZPwkkyiY

shout out to silverblk mystix

[silverblk mystix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLZPwkkyiY

shout out to silverblk mystix (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18982)




:lmao


Avante got em sprung and chasing him like little lost puppydogs!

[Blake]

Apparently Avante gets you erect.

[silverblk mystix]

Apparently Chumpie gets me erect.



Apparently. :lmao

[Blake]

Apparently. :lmao

:td

[ChumpDumper]

Don't get out much do ya? Liquor stores not open at 1am? Where?What a lush.


The central valley is nothing like the picture you are trying to paint, tons of farming which is always great.She said it isn't a good part of California. As it is worse than the other parts of California, it's pretty accurate.

Also the conceit of the OP is that California would survive a great cataclysm that would destroy everything else is pretty funny. The opposite seems much more likely.

Man, SBM is posting more fantasies about me. I suppose I have him "sprung."

[CuckingFunt]

smh

Thank you for your scintillating contribution.

[CuckingFunt]

Don't get out much do ya? Liquor stores not open at 1am? Where?

The only liquor stores I know of in Central Valley towns that are open at 1:00am are filled with way too many scary people for me to venture inside.


Who said the grapevine was in the valley? While in name Hwy 99 runs right up to the grapevine you are still on the same Hwy you were traveling.

You mentioned it while listing positive attributes about central California, so either your point was irrelevant or your geography was off. Based on your assertion that Highway 99 went through the Grapevine, I assumed the latter. I apologize, however, if I should have assumed the former.


No the freaks don't run amock here like they do in those places I mentioned, totally wrong!!! Never been to Oakland after dark have you? How about Hayward? Ever been to Compton?

Yes to all three. The only way you can declare that Oakland, Hayward, or Compton to have more "freaks" than the Central Valley is if your definition of "freak" is based on skin color.

Which, given your posting history, it very well may be.


The central valley is nothing like the picture you are trying to paint, tons of farming which is always great.

Farming is hugely important, yes. But it's not enough to make the region great for everyone. In fact, it is largely due to the agriculture industry paying migrant workers next to nothing that there is such rampant poverty throughout the Central Valley.

[mavs>spurs]

conservative

can't be too bad at all then, better than LA by default