View Full Version : Green and Neal should be out of the rotation
Brunodf
12-18-2012, 11:33 PM
Once Kawhi gets back, give their minutes to Nando/Manu/Mills
Sean Cagney
12-18-2012, 11:35 PM
Not so fast, but I am not impressed with them at all sides a few games this year. Green has been bad this year.
Buddy Holly
12-18-2012, 11:35 PM
Yes, until Nando and Mills go into a funk and you demand to trade the entire bunch of em. I hate Spurs fans sometimes.
Boomersgold
12-18-2012, 11:35 PM
In the last two games, Neal and Green have combined to shoot an abysmal 7/31 from the field. That's roughly 22% in an average of 20+ minutes of playing time! Why are they still getting those minutes?
In my opinion, Green and Neal are too inconsistent for Pop to rely on them on a game-to-game basis.
Juggity
12-18-2012, 11:37 PM
:lol Lose a few games and suddenly spurstalk devolves into lakersground
DAF86
12-18-2012, 11:39 PM
Neal will always be useful, in fact I think we could have stolen this game if he would have played at the end to hit some of those wide open threes we were missing.
slayermin
12-18-2012, 11:40 PM
I think those guys are out of gas. Both players have been guarding bigger, better players for a while now. I like them in the right matchups. Starting Green at the 2 still makes sense to me, once Kawhi gets back.
Boomersgold
12-18-2012, 11:40 PM
Yes, until Nando and Mills go into a funk and you demand to trade the entire bunch of em. I hate Spurs fans sometimes.
Mills is shooting at 49%, whilst Neal and Green are both shooting at 43%. If and when Mills or De Colo goes into a funk, simply switch back. Pop should ride the hot hand, tbh.
JRHernandez88
12-18-2012, 11:42 PM
Can't stand these guys
Brunodf
12-18-2012, 11:42 PM
Mills is shooting at 49%, whilst Neal and Green are both shooting at 43%. If and when Mills or De Colo goes into a funk, simply switch back. Pop should ride the hot hand, tbh.
This
cd021
12-18-2012, 11:47 PM
Once Kawhi gets back, give their minutes to Nando/Manu/Mills
Da Fuq?, seriously, Green's basically in his sophomore season, and is still improving, his defense is reason enough to warrant minutes, plus he boards well for a wing.
Neal, I'd agree with somewhat, when he's hot he's hot but his defense is almost comical at times.
I do like what i'm seeing from Nando & Patty but Neal still gets a little more time before being chained to the bench.
Kawhi wasn't shooting very well from deep before he got injured and still isn't nearly the offensive player green is, thats why pop usually goes with Green in small-ball lineups fir offense and defense.
Brunodf
12-18-2012, 11:53 PM
Da Fuq?, seriously, Green's basically in his sophomore season, and is still improving, his defense is reason enough to warrant minutes, plus he boards well for a wing.
Neal, I'd agree with somewhat, when he's hot he's hot but his defense is almost comical at times.
I do like what i'm seeing from Nando & Patty but Neal still gets a little more time before being chained to the bench.
Kawhi wasn't shooting very well from deep before he got injured and still isn't nearly the offensive player green is, thats why pop usually goes with Green in small-ball lineups fir offense and defense.
:lol Did you watch any game since that Lakers game?
timvp
12-18-2012, 11:55 PM
Too early to call anything this drastic. Wait for Green to go back to shooting guard; it's obvious he's useless at small forward. As for Neal, he'll get the first crack at the backup PG job whether we like it or not.
cd021
12-19-2012, 12:03 AM
:lol Did you watch any game since that Lakers game?
almost all of them, It amazes me how impatient people can be this is basically his second season and is playing on one of the best teams in the league, their are going to be ups and downs he is still improving. Neal I can't really defend since the UTAH game he's been in my dog house his shooting is way down and his defense is somehow getting worse.
Boomersgold
12-19-2012, 12:06 AM
almost all of them, It amazes me how impatient people can be this is basically his second season and is playing on one of the best teams in the league, their are going to be ups and downs he is still improving. Neal I can't really defend since the UTAH game he's been in my dog house his shooting is way down and his defense is somehow getting worse.
Green's defense hasn't been too bad. It's his shooting that's of concern. We're not going to win many games with Green shooting 1 of 8 from three point land.
RD2191
12-19-2012, 12:07 AM
neal and green are both garbage, green lost his shot in the wcf and he still cant find it
Dr. Robert Lee
12-19-2012, 12:13 AM
Neal is useful as a guy that can come off the bench for a few minutes each game and score, but he shouldn't be a rotation player. Our defense turns into teddy bears when he's on the court.
KaiRMD1
12-19-2012, 12:15 AM
I missed the game but I'm assuming Green played like shit
jiggy_55
12-19-2012, 12:16 AM
Too early to call anything this drastic. Wait for Green to go back to shooting guard; it's obvious he's useless at small forward. As for Neal, he'll get the first crack at the backup PG job whether we like it or not.
Defensively? Yes. But his offense is the same whether as an sg or sf.
Boomersgold
12-19-2012, 12:16 AM
I missed the game but I'm assuming Green played like shit
1 of 10 from the field, and missed a crucial, wide open, three pointer in the last minute of the game.
SpursRock20
12-19-2012, 12:20 AM
I missed the game but I'm assuming Green played like shit
Air-balled a wide-open three from the corner, too.
letmk
12-19-2012, 12:20 AM
1 of 10 from the field, and missed a crucial, wide open, three pointer in the last minute of the game.
For the last possession, I'm much more disappointed in them taking 3-pointers than missing 3-pointers. We are down by 4, there are plenty of time, and the paint was quite open for several chances.
KaiRMD1
12-19-2012, 12:20 AM
1 of 10 from the field, and missed a crucial, wide open, three pointer in the last minute of the game.
Things like this kill me. When Green is cold, take him out and keep him out. A cold Green does more damage than hoping he'll get out of a slump
Boomersgold
12-19-2012, 12:21 AM
For the last possession, I'm much more disappointed in them taking 3-pointers than missing 3-pointers. We are down by 4, there are plenty of time, and the paint was quite open for several chances.
I thought Manu should've taken that wide open layup for the two. I guess he felt that Green was more wide open for the three, which he was.
SpursRock20
12-19-2012, 12:21 AM
^ what he said.
We had very poor time management in that last possession. I went nuts when Manu passed on a wide open layup.
timtonymanu
12-19-2012, 12:37 AM
I'll cut them some slack. It's easy to say Nando/Mills are outperforming Green/Neal because Green and Neal are playing a lot of minutes. They both look tired.
But per usual, posters overreact.
RD2191
12-19-2012, 12:42 AM
overeact? this guy has been garbage since the wcf, scrub doesnt belong in the nba
TDMVPDPOY
12-19-2012, 12:46 AM
overrated hacks, overrated team
enjoy ur regular season championship, fodder playoff exit
Fuzzy Dunlop
12-19-2012, 12:50 AM
overeact? this guy has been garbage since the wcf, scrub doesnt belong in the nba
:cry
ThaBigFundamental21
12-19-2012, 01:14 AM
I don't think he is overreacting. It's logic. Play the guys who have the hot hand and who are making plays. Sit the guys who are struggling. Minutes for bench players are almost like a reward, you earn them.
therealtruth
12-19-2012, 01:22 AM
Green's got to make up for it when he's struggling on offense by doing more on defense.
TheSkeptic
12-19-2012, 01:24 AM
Out of the rotation like Blair? No.
But I do agree that Green and Neal in particular are playing too much. Diminishing returns and all that. That'll probably sort itself out once Kawhi gets back.
Stabula
12-19-2012, 02:52 AM
I agree with the OP 100%. I just touched on this in timvp's Denver grades thread but basically to sum it up someone the caliber of Danny Green does not belong in the starting line up of a team with championship aspirations. If he's your starting 2 then you know you're in bad shape. He might be a decent bench player but on a team as strong as the Spurs even that is pushing it a little. The guy is nothing more than a streaky-as-fuck spot-up 3-point shooter. He can't create his own shot, can't shoot off the dribble, his layups and floaters are ugly to watch, and his defense is just as streaky as his shot.
I have similar feelings about Neal and feel strongly his abilities as a shooter are overrated since it seems he goes Westbrick more often than not. Yeah he can hit a clutch shot but it's extremely inconsistent. I still like him better than Green though since he's at least able to create his own shot and is generally a better scorer.
ItsOnlyDecember
12-19-2012, 07:05 AM
step back from that ledge broham
BG_Spurs_Fan
12-19-2012, 07:45 AM
:lol Lose a few games and suddenly spurstalk devolves into lakersground
Just wait until the annual december meltdown loss , usually at home to the Pelicans/Bobcats or similar :lol
Jordanobili2320
12-19-2012, 10:07 AM
Your an idiot. Neal has straight up WON some games for us this year. He is not the problem, Green on the other hand is just on a cold streak. Lets rememer that is December before we start trading away valuable role players.
Brunodf
12-19-2012, 10:16 AM
Your an idiot. Neal has straight up WON some games for us this year. He is not the problem, Green on the other hand is just on a cold streak. Lets rememer that is December before we start trading away valuable role players.
Neal makes everybody else worse, he is averaging 8,4 points(31% FG, 36% 3pt) in the last 5 games.
Green is averaging 7,4 points(34% FG, 29% 3pt)in the last 5 games, and both are playing horrible on the defensive end too. If u can't see it, you are blind
Jordanobili2320
12-19-2012, 10:21 AM
Neal makes everybody else worse, he is averaging 8,4 points(31% FG, 36% 3pt) in the last 5 games.
Green is averaging 7,4 points(34% FG, 29% 3pt)in the last 5 games, and both are playing horrible on the defensive end too. If u can't see it, you are blind
Im not blind. In the last 5 games who has made anyone better besides the big 3? Lets be honest now...
All im saying is so far in this season I don't look at Gary Neal as the problem, he is instant offense and when he is being used properly in his role I don't think he makes anyone worse.
Jordanobili2320
12-19-2012, 10:21 AM
Sorry for calling you an idiot. Im at work right now and im angry at the world. There was no need to say that. Haha
Dude. Gary Neal is paid the league minimum. He's a key shooter for our team, even if he is off. He needs to keep shooting and keep playing. He's not Tony Parker or Tim Duncan. He's a role player.
Green, basically the same thing.
People forget that these guys have probably won more games for us this year than lost.
swaggerjackson
12-19-2012, 10:33 AM
You can't trade anybody right now. Not until the team is healthy and guys are playing their intended roles. If green proves he can't play defense on opposing guards, rebound well, or shoot the three then he should be benched or put on the block. But you can't blame the guy for not being able to cover 6'10 Gallinari or going through a shooting slump. It is a tough schedule right now. Only if the team is at full strength and losing do I think you can seriously consider a trade of one of our key guys.
Brunodf
12-19-2012, 02:29 PM
Dude. Gary Neal is paid the league minimum. He's a key shooter for our team, even if he is off. He needs to keep shooting and keep playing. He's not Tony Parker or Tim Duncan. He's a role player.
Green, basically the same thing.
People forget that these guys have probably won more games for us this year than lost.
So if u are a cheap role player u can f#ck with your team chances?
PhingerRoll
12-19-2012, 03:18 PM
Yes, until Nando and Mills go into a funk and you demand to trade the entire bunch of em. I hate Spurs fans sometimes.
^ What he said! Spurs fans can get nutty with the game to game ups and downs.
Leetonidas
12-19-2012, 03:22 PM
Neal has hit a lot of big shots this season, gtfo of here with this crap
Stabula
12-19-2012, 04:17 PM
Yeah Neal has hit shots and Green has hit shots that were important but the point is how many shots did it take for them to get that big basket? Green and Neal will build you a brick house before one of their shots fall. Doesn't exactly sound like "instant offense" if you ask me. Especially with Neal he's just an instant chucker.
cd021
12-19-2012, 09:08 PM
Green's defense hasn't been too bad. It's his shooting that's of concern. We're not going to win many games with Green shooting 1 of 8 from three point land.
I agree, but these clowns have been bashing Green when Manu & Neal's shooting has been horrid at times, even though is the only being asked to consistently defend out of his position.
The spurs have befitted heavily from his shooting in the past last season he shot 43% from beyond the ark (almost 10% better than the league average). He's had to defend bigger,& stronger players as opposed to quick point guards and athletic 2 guards.
Checking Paul Pierce (twice) Paul George (who is unofficially 6'10) Kevin Durant & Rudy Gay. Just keeping these guys from manhandling takes is taxing to say the least. His shooting will improve. Remember last seasons RRT he didn't hit a shot in the first 4 or 5 games (well over 100 minutes) and he still proved very effective.
cd021
12-19-2012, 09:10 PM
Neal has hit a lot of big shots this season, gtfo of here with this crap
Very true but he's played more minutes and has had a sharp dropoff from his career 3pt%. When he's back coming off the bench, he should return to classic neal.
Great signature picture, something tells me we have similar tastes.:blah
cd021
12-19-2012, 09:21 PM
So if u are a cheap role player u can f#ck with your team chances?
Turnovers have been a bigger problem than these two and coupled with Injuries to Sjax & Kawhi, Manu's inconsistencies and rebounding woes.
Your logic is ridiculous. They are role player that have been extremely effective Neal is career 45%FG, 41%3pt 9 ppg shooter ,who in three seasons has made a piggy-bank breaking, 2.7 million. If the screen isn't dripping with sarcasm please call the geek squad immediately. Based on their contracts they've played very well, their impact on losing games is minimal.
The Spurs are averaging almost 3 turnovers more per game and are offense looks defective at times ,like we're playing pre-season ball. These are catch and shoot players with little opportunities to turnover the ball considering their job is to take jumpers.
Green made his lone 3 during during a spurs run and with Captain in foul trouble he was needed to board and defend. He plays hard every-night, You didn't think he sabotaged the Spurs chances when he swished a contest 3 over Kobe for the win in Staple Center.
At this point Green has been possibly more impact for than Manu, who's shooting continues to be horrid. He eats up minutes and plays good defense in those minutes. Without Green our record right now would be know-where as pretty as 19-7.
Neal has struggled, I can't defend his defense but his scoring has been key in two games we would have almost certainly lost (@Portland & @ Houston) He's is still more effective, than say Mike Miller who is making 5.4 million (this year) and producing not nearly as much a Neal this season.
cd021
12-19-2012, 09:28 PM
Neal makes everybody else worse, he is averaging 8,4 points(31% FG, 36% 3pt) in the last 5 games.
Green is averaging 7,4 points(34% FG, 29% 3pt)in the last 5 games, and both are playing horrible on the defensive end too. If u can't see it, you are blind
Looking at the last 5 games is molding stats to fill out your opinions what about the other 21 games?
Proxy
12-19-2012, 09:38 PM
It seems unrealistic to expect a consistent A+ performance from role players. Especially when role players are playing outside their role.
Brunodf
12-21-2012, 10:40 PM
Combined for 11 points(5-13 FG, 1-7 from 3pt) 6 rebs, 3 ast in 45 minutes
Brunodf
01-03-2013, 09:41 PM
Told you guys, but now Jack is injured, so we can keep Green(he is playing better now).
But Neal should be out of the rotation, he is a cancer, the team was better when he was injured.
Boomersgold
01-03-2013, 09:59 PM
Told you guys, but now Jack is injured, so we can keep Green(he is playing better now).
But Neal should be out of the rotation, he is a cancer, the team was better when he was injured.
There are still some people out there that defend his shot selection. The reality is that he no longer is a great fit for this team. I wouldn't mind trying De Colo and/or Patty as the backup PG for the next few games.
Brunodf
01-21-2013, 09:41 PM
Bump
Paranoid Pop
01-21-2013, 09:45 PM
Great thread.
SpursRock20
01-21-2013, 09:47 PM
Bump
Pops already lost his confidence in Neal and is slowly losing it with Green. Your wish might come true once Manu comes back and is good to go.
Solid D
02-07-2013, 12:15 AM
Bump
TDMVPDPOY
02-07-2013, 12:17 AM
ima take a dump on gary neal and pop soon, on why kl and green should be given the green light b4 that scrub gary neal...just wait for it
TDMVPDPOY
02-07-2013, 12:27 AM
okay here it is, feel my wrath
a player with a limited skillset is expected/force to take a bigger role when his not good at it, yet gary neal is given the green light to do whatever he pleases on the court that he sees no shot he didnt like to attempt
then you have guys like green and KL who were the main focus for their college teams, comes into the nba on a team are force to play a limited role which doesnt utilize their full potential skillset...
i dunno why they are being force to play spot up shooters offensively only, when they can actually do more than that....on some nights u watch them gettin defended by shit players, and ur tellin me these 2 cant beat the shit **** of the dribble, ISO 1on1 into the lane for a easy basket? finishing strong has been their weakness, but sometimes in the heat of the moment they will score...
full of potential and varied skillset force to be role player or system player, when we need more than that when certain players on the floor skillset doesnt overlapse or provide us what is needed....
danny green skillset could translate to something like willie green...with better shot selection decision making...
the 2 young players on the team i think there is room for improvement if pop allows them to play more than just system players
BackHome
02-07-2013, 01:19 AM
okay here it is, feel my wrath
a player with a limited skillset is expected/force to take a bigger role when his not good at it, yet gary neal is given the green light to do whatever he pleases on the court that he sees no shot he didnt like to attempt
then you have guys like green and KL who were the main focus for their college teams, comes into the nba on a team are force to play a limited role which doesnt utilize their full potential skillset...
i dunno why they are being force to play spot up shooters offensively only, when they can actually do more than that....on some nights u watch them gettin defended by shit players, and ur tellin me these 2 cant beat the shit **** of the dribble, ISO 1on1 into the lane for a easy basket? finishing strong has been their weakness, but sometimes in the heat of the moment they will score...
full of potential and varied skillset force to be role player or system player, when we need more than that when certain players on the floor skillset doesnt overlapse or provide us what is needed....
danny green skillset could translate to something like willie green...with better shot selection decision making...
the 2 young players on the team i think there is room for improvement if pop allows them to play more than just system players
+1
lefty
02-07-2013, 02:11 AM
Danny motherfucking Green !
Mel_13
02-08-2013, 11:34 AM
Jeffy mac has a new piece on Green. In the interest of protecting his intellectual property, I'll just quote one line:
Green’s story, from undrafted, twice-waived journeyman to starting shooting guard on the team with the best record in the NBA, is one of perseverance.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/02/07/green-perseveres-to-live-dream-as-spurs%E2%80%99-starter/
Chinook
02-08-2013, 11:44 AM
Jeffy mac has a new piece on Green. In the interest of protecting his intellectual property, I'll just quote one line:
Green’s story, from undrafted, twice-waived journeyman to starting shooting guard on the team with the best record in the NBA, is one of perseverance.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/02/07/green-perseveres-to-live-dream-as-spurs%E2%80%99-starter/
Tells me all I need to know about the quality of research hat went into that article. I wonder if my pal Paranoid Pop (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=29467) thinks Green went undrafted as well.
EDIT: Now after reading it, nothing really sticks out. It seems like a lazy piece to me.
Paranoid Pop
02-08-2013, 12:02 PM
Yeah I know he was drafted :lol, not like you'd let me forget about his fantastic College career.
Eddy from Austin
02-08-2013, 12:23 PM
The Spurs have assigned guard Gary Neal to the Spurs Youth Basketball League to work on his Defense.
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5052/nealn.jpg
Leetonidas
02-08-2013, 12:31 PM
The Spurs have assigned guard Gary Neal to the Spurs Youth Basketball League to work on his Defense.
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5052/nealn.jpg
60 posts in 8 years and this is your 61st...you must not like Neal at all :lmao
jjktkk
02-08-2013, 12:49 PM
The Spurs have assigned guard Gary Neal to the Spurs Youth Basketball League to work on his Defense.
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5052/nealn.jpg
:lol :tu
Brunodf
04-01-2013, 09:09 PM
Called it 5 months ago. Neal cost us another game
LakerHater
04-01-2013, 09:25 PM
Fuck _anny Green!
Spurs Brazil
04-01-2013, 09:27 PM
Called it 5 months ago. Neal cost us another game
Great call. Those 2 are total crap on defense. Green is the mini Bonner. He'll fail in the playoffs again. And he's on Mason Jr level on fighting on screens on D. He's bball iQ is too low.
I'd rather see Jax starting at 3 and Kawhi at 2 in the Playoffs
KaiRMD1
04-01-2013, 09:31 PM
Once I saw Green on Conley, I knew the Grizz had the game.
Texas_Ranger
04-01-2013, 09:31 PM
Green should start playing less and Jax more.
james evans
04-01-2013, 09:46 PM
green is azz. i'm sorry. he's the 2013 richard jefferson. as long as we're up big, he'll hit shots, but as soon as we really NEED him to hit something(aside from the laker game) he couldn't hit the side of a parked school bus with a beach ball. why are the spurs so loyal. they are the most loyal team i've ever seen. they can see a player not worth anything and still keep him.
james evans
04-01-2013, 09:47 PM
Great call. Those 2 are total crap on defense. Green is the mini Bonner. He'll fail in the playoffs again. And he's on Mason Jr level on fighting on screens on D. He's bball iQ is too low.
I'd rather see Jax starting at 3 and Kawhi at 2 in the Playoffs
green is guaranteed to give up at least 6 or 7 open 3's per game
TheGoldStandard
04-01-2013, 10:04 PM
The Spurs have assigned guard Gary Neal to the Spurs Youth Basketball League to work on his Defense.
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/5052/nealn.jpg
This is gold
SenorSpur
04-01-2013, 10:09 PM
Danny Green is again exhibiting why he's the worst finisher on this team. Neal morphed between being a feared gunner and a reckless chucker - not to mention a failed backup PG, who shouldn't be caught dead trying to bring the ball upcourt, dribble in tight spaces or setup the offense.
TJastal
04-02-2013, 06:30 AM
One thing we know about Green is he is a feast or famine type player. It's not hard to determine rarher quickly in any given game what mode he's in. However, it's up to drunken jackass to make the appropriate in game decisions.
And now with Jax just now starting to come around its not like he doesn't have decent options at his disposal if Green can't hack the pressure.
ChumpDumper
04-02-2013, 09:01 AM
Called it 5 months ago. Neal cost us another gamelol waiting five months to be right
said7
04-02-2013, 09:29 AM
What was he thinking by helping down? There were 4 other spurs already packed in the paint. I just don't get it. That was truly moronic. Was he gonna jump on splitters back and block a shot?
If hes on his man, it's prob a steal. Game over.
Brunodf
04-24-2013, 11:18 PM
After 2 playoff games :
Green: 3-11 FG, 8pts in 45 minutes
Neal: 5-14 FG, 13pts in 36 minutes
capek
06-12-2013, 02:08 PM
funny
Beaverfuzz
06-12-2013, 02:09 PM
Yeah, bench the scrubs Green and Neal. Who needs them anyway?
davidbowie
06-12-2013, 02:10 PM
good call!!! u should coach the team :lol
Brunodf
06-12-2013, 02:15 PM
Wait until next game tbh. Neal is fools gold
capek
06-12-2013, 02:25 PM
Wait until next game tbh. Neal is fools gold
:lmao
Lots of people are guilty of putting shitty takes out there on occasion, so the bump was just in good fun. But if "fools gold" = a Finals game win (which it does in this case), what would "real gold" mean? A Finals game win and then sending Kate Beckinsale to fuck every male Spurs fan? :lmao
spurraider21
06-12-2013, 02:27 PM
Wait until next game tbh. Neal is fools gold
he made 6 threes in a pivotal finals game. if that is fools gold, i'll take fools gold
Chinook
06-12-2013, 02:34 PM
:lmao
Lots of people are guilty of putting shitty takes out there on occasion, so the bump was just in good fun. But if "fools gold" = a Finals game win (which it does in this case), what would "real gold" mean? A Finals game win and then sending Kate Beckinsale to fuck every male Spurs fan? :lmao
That's funny that Neal would be the one to get Beckinsale to do that, considering...
vma16
06-12-2013, 02:43 PM
:lmao
Lots of people are guilty of putting shitty takes out there on occasion, so the bump was just in good fun. But if "fools gold" = a Finals game win (which it does in this case), what would "real gold" mean? A Finals game win and then sending Kate Beckinsale to fuck every male Spurs fan? :lmao
Brunowned
Brunodf
06-12-2013, 02:49 PM
:lmao
Lots of people are guilty of putting shitty takes out there on occasion, so the bump was just in good fun. But if "fools gold" = a Finals game win (which it does in this case), what would "real gold" mean? A Finals game win and then sending Kate Beckinsale to fuck every male Spurs fan? :lmao
(almost)Always play well. Be consistent.
Neal played 100 bad games, then had one good and u think that he is good?:lol
Yuixafun
06-12-2013, 02:52 PM
At least he's got good timing.
capek
06-12-2013, 02:56 PM
(almost)Always play well. Be consistent.
Neal played 100 bad games, then had one good and u think that he is good?:lol
I don't agree with your premise so I don't have to refute your conclusion.
Plus, FINALS GAME.
Chinook
06-12-2013, 03:00 PM
I don't think people understand what "fool's gold" and "live and die by the three" mean. The Spurs don't live by the three anymore; they used to when a lot of their plays were designed to get three-pointers instead of getting into the paint. The Spurs now live by penetration and ball-movement. The fact that Green and Neal went off from deep isn't fool's gold, because no matter happens for the rest of the series, the Heat will have to respect them, which creates the space for Parker and Duncan to work. The Heat know they just can't leave them open, ever.
A great example of it was during the second quarter last night, when Wade made a false step when Neal slipped on his drive. Up to then, Wade had chased Green off the three-point line very well, but he thought he could get to Neal and force a turnover. Neal made the pass to Green, who had the sliver of daylight he needed to get the shot off. Wade had a look on his face which seemed to say, "You're telling me I can't even help off this guy THAT much?" That's "real gold" whether Green makes another three in this series or not.
tesseractive
06-12-2013, 05:31 PM
I don't think people understand what "fool's gold" and "live and die by the three" mean. The Spurs don't live by the three anymore; they used to when a lot of their plays were designed to get three-pointers instead of getting into the paint. The Spurs now live by penetration and ball-movement. The fact that Green and Neal went off from deep isn't fool's gold, because no matter happens for the rest of the series, the Heat will have to respect them, which creates the space for Parker and Duncan to work. The Heat know they just can't leave them open, ever.
A great example of it was during the second quarter last night, when Wade made a false step when Neal slipped on his drive. Up to then, Wade had chased Green off the three-point line very well, but he thought he could get to Neal and force a turnover. Neal made the pass to Green, who had the sliver of daylight he needed to get the shot off. Wade had a look on his face which seemed to say, "You're telling me I can't even help off this guy THAT much?" That's "real gold" whether Green makes another three in this series or not.
Great post.
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Stabula
06-12-2013, 06:20 PM
It doesn't matter what stage you're on, sometimes a shooter gets hot. Green and Neal were absolutely on fire and couldn't be stopped, they'd probably be 75% jumpshooting from half court with how hot they were last night but at the end of the day it's just one game. I don't think Green will shoot like he shot last night again in these Finals but he has certainly turned himself into a valuable and capable starting SG mostly with his defense. Neal on the otherhand I think just had a good game and will probably never replicate it. It was a career game for him.
timtonymanu
06-12-2013, 06:25 PM
Brunodf bringing the bads per par
benefactor
06-12-2013, 06:28 PM
Neal played 100 bad games, then had one good and u think that he is good?:lol
I like winning finals games tbh.
Chinook
06-12-2013, 06:29 PM
It doesn't matter what stage you're on, sometimes a shooter gets hot. Green and Neal were absolutely on fire and couldn't be stopped, they'd probably be 75% jumpshooting from half court with how hot they were last night but at the end of the day it's just one game. I don't think Green will shoot like he shot last night again in these Finals but he has certainly turned himself into a valuable and capable starting SG mostly with his defense. Neal on the otherhand I think just had a good game and will probably never replicate it. It was a career game for him.
He went 5/5 from three in Game 2.
spurraider21
06-12-2013, 06:35 PM
not to mention 4/9 in game 1, which is a rock solid %
ffadicted
06-12-2013, 06:48 PM
:lmao
Lots of people are guilty of putting shitty takes out there on occasion, so the bump was just in good fun. But if "fools gold" = a Finals game win (which it does in this case), what would "real gold" mean? A Finals game win and then sending Kate Beckinsale to fuck every male Spurs fan? :lmao
:lol
mudyez
06-12-2013, 07:08 PM
Did you see Tim's reaction to Green beeing taken out in the last quarter?
GOLD!!!
Cow Eye
06-12-2013, 07:12 PM
I haven't seen it. Anyone got a link?
mudyez
06-12-2013, 07:40 PM
can someone plz post the "neal with it" gif? I just can't find it! thanks in advance!
Baynes
06-12-2013, 07:47 PM
I haven't seen it. Anyone got a link?
Timmy did a "here's the way your majesty" with Green coming to the bench :lol
Shabazz
06-12-2013, 07:58 PM
Timmy did a "here's the way your majesty" with Green coming to the bench :lol
Yeah it was pretty funny.
JRHernandez88
06-12-2013, 10:43 PM
Lmao good Fukin bump!!!
T Park
06-12-2013, 11:20 PM
Wait until next game tbh. Neal is fools gold
When does it become real? Fail...
capek
06-12-2013, 11:25 PM
When does it become real? Fail...
When a dashing prince kisses Neal, and he transforms from a player who wasn't even drafted out of college into a non-choking version of Lebron James, or something. :lol
RuffnReadyOzStyle
06-13-2013, 12:50 AM
(almost)Always play well. Be consistent.
Neal played 100 bad games, then had one good and u think that he is good?:lol
Your ratio is way out. Neal's job is simply instant offence off the bench, and by that criteria he had 1 good game in about every 4 during the regular season (counting games he had 15+pts in), one in every 2.5 if you include all double-digit games. During the playoffs he's had 5 double digit games out of 17 (about 1 in 3).
I'm no huge fan of Neal but I recognise now why Pop has stick with him - he's been riding Neal's regular explosions in scoring, and he just hit the jackpot at the perfect time. Having said that, I doubt he ever plays like that again in a pressure situation - definitely a career game.
Now Pop has to get better at yanking Neal and keeping him on the bench when he is clearly off or making too many defensive mistakes.
My major question ATM is why is Bonner playing ahead of Diaw??? :rolleyes
RuffnReadyOzStyle
06-13-2013, 01:04 AM
As for Danny Green, he has been improving pretty much the whole time he has been a Spur, and his hard work is an absolute credit to him and the organisation.
He started this regular-season really well at both ends, but then regressed badly in January as he seemed to start to question his offensive and defensive decision-making. I was worried about him at that point, but it turned out just to be an aberration. Let's face it, the January doldrums strike most players at some point in their career, and Danny got them this year.
However, Danny snapped out of it in February, probably sparked by the 8/12 from 3 performance against Minnesota on the first game of the Rodeo Road Trip, which he went on to dominate.
Since then, he has been solid to excellent at both ends, and has continued that into the play-offs with some superb performances on defence, and nailing 44/88 threes.
I fully expect to see Green continue his superb play until the year is over, whatever the result. He is now a mature NBA player who knows his role and plays it to perfection. I think he has also learnt his limitations and doesn't try to stretch them, which is a good thing in a role player.
Brunodf
06-21-2013, 02:03 AM
Wait until next game tbh. Neal is fools gold
:lmao
Lots of people are guilty of putting shitty takes out there on occasion, so the bump was just in good fun. But if "fools gold" = a Finals game win (which it does in this case), what would "real gold" mean? A Finals game win and then sending Kate Beckinsale to fuck every male Spurs fan? :lmao
he made 6 threes in a pivotal finals game. if that is fools gold, i'll take fools gold
(almost)Always play well. Be consistent.
Neal played 100 bad games, then had one good and u think that he is good?:lol
Your an idiot. Neal has straight up WON some games for us this year. He is not the problem, Green on the other hand is just on a cold streak. Lets rememer that is December before we start trading away valuable role players.
Neal will always be useful, in fact I think we could have stolen this game if he would have played at the end to hit some of those wide open threes we were missing.
Your ratio is way out. Neal's job is simply instant offence off the bench, and by that criteria he had 1 good game in about every 4 during the regular season (counting games he had 15+pts in), one in every 2.5 if you include all double-digit games. During the playoffs he's had 5 double digit games out of 17 (about 1 in 3).
I'm no huge fan of Neal but I recognise now why Pop has stick with him - he's been riding Neal's regular explosions in scoring, and he just hit the jackpot at the perfect time. Having said that, I doubt he ever plays like that again in a pressure situation - definitely a career game.
Now Pop has to get better at yanking Neal and keeping him on the bench when he is clearly off or making too many defensive mistakes.
My major question ATM is why is Bonner playing ahead of Diaw??? :rolleyes
Neal makes everybody else worse
Bump
spurraider21
06-21-2013, 02:08 AM
Neal wasn't the problem. Quit looking for scapegoats and just accept that our team lost to their team
ChumpDumper
06-21-2013, 02:08 AM
Man, FakeBruno said posted some terrible takes this season.
Brunodf
06-21-2013, 02:14 AM
Neal wasn't the problem. Quit looking for scapegoats and just accept that our team lost to their team
:lol Every time Neal checked in the Heat made 3s, Spurs would've won in 5 without Neal
T Park
06-21-2013, 02:17 AM
:lol Every time Neal checked in the Heat made 3s, Spurs would've won in 5 without Neal
Bottle of draino. Drink it.
perfectdark
06-21-2013, 02:23 AM
neal cant defend a 3 point to save his life
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