The Great One-Thomas Sowall on Gun Control

[spursncowboys]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/12/18/invincible_ignorance__116451.html


The key fallacy of so-called gun control laws is that such laws do not in fact control guns. They simply disarm law-abiding citizens, while people bent on violence find firearms readily available.


When it comes to the rate of gun ownership, that is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas. The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks. For the country as a whole, hand gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.


if you look back through history, you will find that Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries-- and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun control laws than the United States. Indeed, neither country had stringent gun control for most of that time.

[boutons_deux]

"firearms readily available."

why that?

simply because the NRA/guns-and-ammo industry has for 35 years pumped up their profit margins by gutting firearm/ammo regulations and intimidating politicians.

so now the firearm industry gets to sell another 300M guns and $10Bs in profits.

It's all about corporate profits, not about 2nd amendment or self-defense.

American life and civilization degenerates further as the corporations stuff their pockets and "confiscate" the suckers' money.

[Koolaid_Man]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/12/18/invincible_ignorance__116451.html


this dude is the very reason we coined the phrase "Uncle Tom" in the black community :lol it's short for Uncle Thom Sowell

[George Gervin's Afro]

so having 285 million guns in circulation.. is a good thing... better yet let's continue to increase the number of guns... no harm in that.

it's amazing how blind some people are

[spursncowboys]

so having 285 million guns in circulation.. is a good thing... better yet let's continue to increase the number of guns... no harm in that.

it's amazing how blind some people are
I absolutely agree that more law abiding citizens should buy and carry weapons.

Good job stating an arbitrary "fact" that was a big part of his article.

[scott]

http://www.freakonomics.com/2006/03/16/lets-do-the-crime-drop-again/

[boutons_deux]

http://www.freakonomics.com/2006/03/16/lets-do-the-crime-drop-again/

pearls before swine.

That article and the "understanding" paper it points to are WAY TOO COMPLEX for the right-wing fucktards to follow. Much simpler for them is to swallow the gun industry corporate sucker line that "(buy our) guns for everyone and everywhere solves everything".

[ChumpDumper]

I would expect a thread title like that to at least get the name right.

[Winehole23]

homophones are tricky; it is said spelling and dictionaries became regular in English speaking countries about the same time, not too too long ago.

whatever one thinks good spelling or bad confers on the speaker, misspelled words seldom lead to any great misunderstanding -- those not taking SnC to mean Thomas Sowell quickly found Sowell if they checked -- but they do provide a balcony from which to jeer, for those so inclined.

apart from the obvious legal, military and economic necessities of correct spelling, what desirables are served, if any? spelling is artificial and arbitrary, good or bad proficiency scarcely correlates with anything beyond the mere in/ability, FWIW, to spell.

[ChumpDumper]

I am so inclined.

Sue me.

And it's tough to see it as a homophone issue when you're talking about printed material where the word is clearly featured in red on the top of the page..

[Winehole23]

you see all kind of weird reading-related problems here; no one's immune.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/12/18/invincible_ignorance__116451.html

England banned guns 1920 following WW1. Saying that we had a higher murder rate in 1880 doesn't posit much. I can explain why if you need be. Think of movies involving the sons of Sheen.

The rest of the statistics have been discussed ad nauseum in the other threads and your spamming every NRA type on the board is indicative of how scared the current rhetoric has you.

[Th'Pusher]

I thought SnC was talking about Mark Levin

[spursncowboys]

England banned guns 1920 following WW1. Saying that we had a higher murder rate in 1880 doesn't posit much. I can explain why if you need be. Think of movies involving the sons of Sheen.

The rest of the statistics have been discussed ad nauseum in the other threads and your spamming every NRA type on the board is indicative of how scared the current rhetoric has you. Sure if you'd like.
As far as spamming, I don't see it that way. Since assault weapons ban was brought back into question ad nauseum, I'd figured the same counter points could be brought up too.

I am absolutely scared that the elites will, again, not waste a crisis and try and take more of my freedom away-for the sake of saving people from themselves.

[spursncowboys]

I thought SnC was talking about Mark Levin
I'm not Sean Hannity

[Winehole23]

the "Memoirs of US Grant" is undeniably great, despite the more than occasional misspelling of names and place names.

[spursncowboys]

When criminals started carrying automatic rifles, what did the police do? They started carrying them too.

[ChumpDumper]

the "Memoirs of US Grant" is undeniably great, despite the more than occasional misspelling of names and place names.i would make fun of the editor in that case.

[spursncowboys]

homophones are tricky; it is said spelling and dictionaries became regular in English speaking countries about the same time, not too too long ago.

whatever one thinks good spelling or bad confers on the speaker, misspelled words seldom lead to any great misunderstanding -- those not taking SnC to mean Thomas Sowell quickly found Sowell if they checked -- but they do provide a balcony from which to jeer, for those so inclined.

apart from the obvious legal, military and economic necessities of correct spelling, what desirables are served, if any? spelling is artificial and arbitrary, good or bad proficiency scarcely correlates with anything beyond the mere in/ability, FWIW, to spell.

Have I ever told you how much I like your eloquent writing...Unless it's going after me.

[Winehole23]

i would make fun of the editor in that case.editions of US Grant's memoirs including the editors' chatisement of US Grant, his glossators and one another -- are already extant, I believe.

I'd read yours, though . . .

[Th'Pusher]

Wayne Gretzky?

[Th'Pusher]

Jackie Gleason?

[Winehole23]

http://www.amazon.com/Gretzky-An-Autobiography-Wayne/dp/0060163399

??

[Winehole23]

from the wiki:
Gleason disliked rehearsing. With a photographic memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photographic_memory)[53] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Gleason#cite_note-53) he read the script once, watched a rehearsal with his co-stars and stand-in, and shot the show later that day. When he made mistakes, he often blamed the cue cards.[54] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Gleason#cite_note-54)

[Winehole23]

do not yet spy memoirs of Jackie Gleason

[Th'Pusher]

http://www.amazon.com/Gretzky-An-Autobiography-Wayne/dp/0060163399

??
Just makin people who were actually referred to as the great one. I don't believe I've ever heard anyone refer to Thomas Sowell as he great one...until SnC

[Winehole23]

recommend a bio?

[Th'Pusher]

recommend a bio?
Not of anyone referred to as the great one but check out Adolf Hitler by John Toland if you've not already.

[spursncowboys]

Just makin people who were actually referred to as the great one. I don't believe I've ever heard anyone refer to Thomas Sowell as he great one...until SnC
I figure since I got his bed sheets, action figure (still in the box of course), posters, and 'tickle me SowEll'-then I should give him a proper title!

[Clipper Nation]

http://i.imgur.com/amlmh.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'd say that's a stretch, Southern States have some of the highest rates of gun violence in the country.

[boutons_deux]

Hey Jackson, your Confederacy is well up in the top of gun homicide states

http://blogs.kqed.org/lowdown/2012/12/19/the-geography-of-u-s-gun-homicides/

[TeyshaBlue]

Yeah those hotbeds of Confederacy like the District of Columbia and California really represent.

"In 2011, the highest gun homicide rate (per 100,000 residents) in the nation was, ironically, in the city where the nation’s gun control control laws are decided: Washington, D.C. The rate there was 12.4 (actually down from 2010). A close second was Louisiana, with a rate of 10, followed by Mississippi, with 7.4. California, the most populous state, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country as well as the greatest number of overall homicides (1,790) and the most gun-related murders (1,220). In 2011, the state had a gun homicide rate of 3.25 (per 100,000 residents)."

Fucking retard.

[boutons_deux]

Number of Deaths Due to Injury by Firearms per 100,000 Population, 2009

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=113&cat=2

TB :lol bitch slapped YET AGAIN by THE GREAT BOUTONS! :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Number of Deaths Due to Injury by Firearms per 100,000 Population, 2009

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparemaptable.jsp?ind=113&cat=2

TB :lol bitch slapped YET AGAIN by THE GREAT BOUTONS! :lol
lol...3rd person again. I was using the stats you provided. You bitch slapped yourself...again.

lol 2009 stats. Bet you could build an even better case if you used stats from about 150 years ago.

Fucking retard.

[DMX7]

Somebody forgot to tell Sam that the NRA is blaming him for the gun violence.

[TeyshaBlue]

...

[boutons_deux]

lol...3rd person again. I was using the stats you provided. You bitch slapped yourself...again.

Come on TB :lol, down on your knees and take The Great Boutons bitch slapping like a whiny little bitch :lol

and find your own damn data. The Confederacy is murderous shit hole.

[TeyshaBlue]

Come on TB :lol, down on your knees and take The Great Boutons bitch slapping like a whiny little bitch :lol

and find your own damn data. The Confederacy is murderous shit hole.
I just bitch slapped your 2009 data with 2011 data. Go get a grown up to read this to you, fucking simpleton.

[TeyshaBlue]

Fuck boutons, you make this so easy. My fucking 5 year old grand daughter could take you in a debate.

[TeyshaBlue]

The Confederacy is murderous shit hole.

So is that whirling, skittering sensorium of yours.

[TeyshaBlue]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/ronalds-pimp-hand.jpg

[Koolaid_Man]

It's time to start profiling white men in their 20's - 40s'

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure if you'd like.
As far as spamming, I don't see it that way. Since assault weapons ban was brought back into question ad nauseum, I'd figured the same counter points could be brought up too.

I am absolutely scared that the elites will, again, not waste a crisis and try and take more of my freedom away-for the sake of saving people from themselves.

Elites?

There are elites of all types but most vote GOP. It's hardly a bourgeois push for gun control going on here. Many people are not fond of the wild west gone semi-auto.

[ElNono]

I am absolutely scared that the elites will, again, not waste a crisis and try and take more of my freedom away-for the sake of saving people from themselves.

What freedom is being taken away from you?

[Wild Cobra]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/teyshablue/ronalds-pimp-hand.jpg
Why does Ronald hit like a girl?

[Wild Cobra]

It's time to start profiling white men in their 20's - 40s'
The TSA is already doing that in our airports.

When's the last time a whit guy hijacked a plane? has he ever flown them into buildings with intent?

[ChumpDumper]

The TSA is already doing that in our airports.Source?

[Winehole23]

Have I ever told you how much I like your eloquent writing...Unless it's going after me.my soccer teammates say something similar: if you weren't on my team, I'd hate you.

[ElNono]

When's the last time a whit guy hijacked a plane? has he ever flown them into buildings with intent?

2007?

http://www.wthr.com/story/6178666/police-believe-plane-crash-was-murder-suicide?clienttype=printable

[Wild Cobra]

Did he hijack that place? Who else was on board with him?

Was that a terrorist attack? I thought he was attempting a murder/suicide, but what do I know?

Now I am at fault in not specifying "terrorist attack" in my other post.

[Winehole23]

Way WH23 plays D: I one time scored an offensive player in the back of the net and got away with it. He was crowding my goalie, so I shouldered him off and walked him into the back of the net.

Yeah, WH, just walk him into the back of the net, my goalie said.

Totally illegal. You can't play defense past the goal line. I didn't know, but apparently, the refs never call that, or at least, didn't that time. I scored a player in the back of my own goal. Never saw that before or since.

[SA210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3uLTnzs60

[spursncowboys]

Elites?

There are elites of all types but most vote GOP. It's hardly a bourgeois push for gun control going on here. Many people are not fond of the wild west gone semi-auto.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-trying-to-ban-semi-automatic-weapons/
This was on the 03 of December

[DMC]

I would expect a thread title like that to at least get the name right.

You misspell so many words, trust me, you have no right ever calling someone else out.

[DMC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3uLTnzs60

He doesn't know either. As assault rifle is fully automatic. Assault weapons are different.

[DMC]

How about this: When the President no longer has guns protecting him, when his body guards no longer use assault rifles, semi-autos and all that, he can have a leg to stand on. That's when it will be safe enough to not actually need a gun. If the President needs that kind of protection, why don't we get at least some?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-trying-to-ban-semi-automatic-weapons/
This was on the 03 of December

Why are you linking me a blog with a link to Fox News on it?

Are you trying to intimate that the shooting was staged? There is a gun lobby and most of the NATO countries ban semiauto's. I don't get your point. Yes, there are people that want gun control. I fail to see what your point here is.

[ChumpDumper]

You misspell so many words, trust me, you have no right ever calling someone else out.I don't mind being "called out" for spelling. Don't be afraid to tell me if I misspell something, butch. It's just words -- I don't know how you live in such fear.

[DMC]

I don't mind being "called out" for spelling. Don't be afraid to tell me if I misspell something, butch. It's just words -- I don't know how you live in such fear.

So when someone calls you out you claim you've won, they are mad and they are in fear. Great tactics if you're 15. If I tracked all your spelling mistakes we'd discuss little else here.

[ChumpDumper]

So when someone calls you out you claim you've won, they are mad and they are in fear. Great tactics if you're 15.I don't always say it -- it was just so apparent in this instance.
If I tracked all your spelling mistakes we'd discuss little else here.You just retreat from your positions so quickly, it's hilariously entertaining. There's no way I will stop tormenting you if you keep doing this.

[DMC]

I don't always say it -- it was just so apparent in this instance.You just retreat from your positions so quickly, it's hilariously entertaining. There's no way I will stop tormenting you if you keep doing this.

lol equating my refusal to spend any time explaining the world to you as "retreating".

lol "tormenting"

lol you not getting that I've said everything that the NRA said before they said it (in another thread... do your homework)

Is your take always so skewed in your favor? I doubt anyone else who's not your cohort sees it that way.

[ChumpDumper]

lol equating my refusal to spend any time explaining the world to you as "retreating". Well, now you're spending time whining about it. Which is worse?


lol "tormenting"See above.


lol you not getting that I've said everything that the NRA said before they said it (in another thread... do your homework)OK, so you want the federal government to pay for all the new cops in every school in America. That reinforces my initial point about conservatives. Thanks.


Is your take always so skewed in your favor? I doubt anyone else who's not your cohort sees it that way.Is my take always accurate and defensible? More often than others and certainly more than yours in this case. My only suggestion is you quit worrying about my takes and improve yours.

[DMC]

Well, now you're spending time whining about it. Which is worse?

See above.

OK, so you want the federal government to pay for all the new cops in every school in America. That reinforces my initial point about conservatives. Thanks.

Is my take always accurate and defensible? More often than others and certainly more than yours in this case. My only suggestion is you quit worrying about my takes and improve yours.


lol constant post judge, contributing absolutely nothing but demanding everything.
lol not getting anything from me but a hard time.

[ChumpDumper]

lol constant post judge, contributing absolutely nothing but demanding everything.
lol not getting anything from me but a hard time.Actually the butthurt you are experiencing is quite entertaining.

I don't expect anything more from you related to the topic since you realized you were fucked if you went on.

[TSA]

Actually the butthurt you are experiencing is quite entertaining.

I don't expect anything more from you related to the topic since you realized you were fucked if you went on.
For the most part of my time on here I've ignored your posts because you're always involved in some sort of long winded e-spat, but lately you've caught my attention. Is this how you are 24/7 71,000 on this board? You're quite a chippy confident fellow who seems to spend the majority of his time online arguing. Wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if you one day turned up to be one of these psychos. You're nuts dude. Your posting history proves this.

[ChumpDumper]

For the most part of my time on here I've ignored your posts because you're always involved in some sort of long winded e-spat, but lately you've caught my attention. Is this how you are 24/7 71,000 on this board?I'm not. i do keep odd hours often.
You're quite a chippy confident fellow who seems to spend the majority of his time online arguing. Wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if you one day turned up to be one of these psychos. You're nuts dude. Your posting history proves this.So you know me only by my posts.

OK.

It will be fun to watch others chime in now.

[TSA]

InB472000

[boutons_deux]

Sowell LIES (typical conservative)

"They simply disarm law-abiding citizens"

bullshit. Severe firearm, ammo regulation disarms not a single regulation-abiding person.

[TSA]

Sowell LIES (typical conservative)

"They simply disarm law-abiding citizens"

bullshit. Severe firearm, ammo regulation disarms not a single regulation-abiding person.




And it disarms criminals as well? Fuck yeah! I'm all about disarming criminals, where do we start?!?! Lets first make them register everything, then we can track them. Next, let's limit their ammo capacity, that way they have to take two seconds to drop a mag and reload. After that, no collapsible stock! I hate the look of a gun -1" shorter than a 16". Evil feature!!! Flash hider?!?! Evil feature!!!! You all on the left have to agree with how silly your gun control laws have played out no?

Seriously, explain to me how further gun (as in tool) restrictions would be of any benefit to society. And I'm not talking about ease if getting a gun as I also believe background checks/process of obtaining a gun should be heavily regulated.


Convince me that regulating law abiding citizens would do anything to deter crime.

[DMC]

Sowell LIES (typical conservative)

"They simply disarm law-abiding citizens"

bullshit. Severe firearm, ammo regulation disarms not a single regulation-abiding person.




Wow, circular reasoning at its finest.

[DMC]

I'm not. i do keep odd hours often.So you know me only by my posts.

OK.

It will be fun to watch others chime in now.

You don't offer much in the way of meaningful conversation. You just post grade and accuse people of being butthurt because they didn't follow your carrot on a stick.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't offer much in the way of meaningful conversation. You just post grade and accuse people of being butthurt because they didn't follow your carrot on a stick.Most of the time I'm picking out rather obvious flaws in other people's arguments. The less insecure posters can just accept it and go on with the rest of their argument, since the flaw usually isn't fatal to it. Others see what they did wrong, but get so worried about what they think are their e-reps that they will do anything to avoid discussing it. That's usually when they try to change the subject to me.

It's quite predictable after all this time as you might imagine. Still funny though. Especially just how long people will compose posts for me telling me how they won't waste time composing posts for me.

[mavs>spurs]

^nice deflection, doesn't change the fact that you rarely (ever??) offer shit to the board though. Catty nitpicking and lame insults X 72,000 still = 0.

[ChumpDumper]

^nice deflection, doesn't change the fact that you rarely (ever??) offer shit to the board though. Catty nitpicking and lame insults X 72,000 still = 0.You are welcome to your opinion, though it is worth noting you have definitely been in the latter group of the two I described above.

[TSA]

Most of the time I'm picking out rather obvious flaws in other people's arguments. The less insecure posters can just accept it and go on with the rest of their argument, since the flaw usually isn't fatal to it. Others see what they did wrong, but get so worried about what they think are their e-reps that they will do anything to avoid discussing it. That's usually when they try to change the subject to me.



Do you ever answer a question? Your act is tiresome. What are your thoughts? What should be done?
Stop and pause at 72,000, and answer a question you miserable fuck.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you ever answer a question?Yes.
Your act is tiresome.So ignore it.
What are your thoughts?About what?
What should be done?About this? Not much. If people want cops in their schools they can pay for it locally, as I have said before.

Stop and pause at 72,000, and answer a question you miserable fuck.Thanks for asking! You didn't before. You were too busy complaining about me.