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timvp
12-31-2012, 02:49 PM
A week ago, the Spurs lambasted the Mavericks by 38 points after leading by as many as 46. Tonight was a bit closer but it was basically more of the same. San Antonio led the whole game before taking home a 111-86 victory in Dallas.

The Spurs didn’t waste any time jumping on the Mavs. Three and a half minutes into the contest, the good guys held a 14-2 lead. The Spurs held that bulge until late in the first quarter. A Tony Parker jumper increased the advantage to 13 points with 4:33 remaining in the period. The Mavs weren’t quite ready to roll over, though, as they went on a 12-2 run that extended into the second quarter.

Midway through the second, a pair of OJ Mayo buckets trimmed San Antonio’s lead to four points. A couple minutes later, a Darren Collison layup made it a three-point game. To regain momentum heading into intermission, the Spurs went on a 13-4 run that was punctuated by a pair of field goals by Manu Ginobili in the final 33 seconds.

The third quarter didn’t start off very swimmingly for the Spurs, as the Mavs were able to trim their deficit to five points halfway through the period. Thankfully, the Spurs again closed the quarter out strongly. And again, it was Ginobili scoring two baskets -- this time in 31 seconds.

The Spurs led by 12 points going into the fourth quarter. The Mavs made a few halfhearted runs but never seriously got within striking distance. When Dirk Nowitzki made a layup to make it an 11-point game with six minutes to go, the Spurs immediately answered with a 7-0 run in the span of 38 seconds to seal the deal.

The Spurs fifth straight win improves their record to 24-8 on the season, while the Mavs drop to 12-19 following their sixth consecutive defeat.

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Tim Duncan
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In the first half, Tim Duncan was phenomenal. Offensively, he was unstoppable from the opening tip -- scoring 14 points on 7-for-10 shooting. He was running the court very well and made numerous strong moves around the rim. Defensively, he may have been even better; Duncan simply dominated the paint area. In the second half, unfortunately, he didn’t do much of anything. I don’t know if he ran out of gas or just had it on cruise control but he was a totally different player after halftime. That said, his first half was so very robust that it was still a successful outing for Duncan.
Final Grade: 90
Season Average: 90.5
Adj. Average: 90.8
Last 10 Average: 88.5
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Manu Ginobili
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Manu Ginobili had a chilly beginning; he made only one of his first six attempts from the field. However, most of those shots were rushed shots at the end of the shot clock in which he was forced to attempt a last second heave after the initial offensive set was fruitless (the Mavs switched into a zone defense in the first half that baffled the Spurs for a bit). But after that slow start, Ginobili was magnificent. He kept defenders guessing by mixing up his shots, drives and passes. He was nearly flawless as he unsympathetically dismembered the Mavericks. Defensively, Ginobili played with fire and was particularly great at corralling contested boards. Overall, it was a vintage performance and one that suggests the Argentine star is at the top of his game.
Final Grade: 97
Season Average: 84.1
Adj. Average: 84.2
Last 10 Average: 85.4
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Tony Parker
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It was a roller-coaster of an evening for Tony Parker. During some stretches he was playing at an extremely high level -- most notably at the beginning of each half and a few minutes in the fourth. However, there were also lulls in his play where he didn’t push the pace, defend with purpose or do much of anything. If the Spurs were against a stronger opponent, those lulls could have been costly. All that said, it’s challenging to be too upset considering his final stats. For the second straight game, Parker nearly recorded half the team’s assists. He turned the ball over too much but he also shot very well from the field. Parker is shooting 56.9% in this five-game winning streak and 51.1% for the season.
Final Grade: 89
Season Average: 87.2
Adj. Average: 87.3
Last 10 Average: 84.9
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Kawhi Leonard
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Offensively, Kawhi Leonard hit a corner three-pointer and also nailed a pretty pull-up midrange jumper off the dribble. Defense, though, is where he made his mark. Leonard was strong on the glass and active in the passing lanes. His best work came when defending the low-post. For some strange reason, the Mavs thought that posting up Leonard was a good idea. It wasn’t. He used his strength to hold his ground and then his length to challenge the shot. Leonard’s perimeter defense was only about average, though he was trustworthy in transition.
Final Grade: 88
Season Average: 85.3
Adj. Average: 85.3
Last 10 Average: 87.6
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Danny Green
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Danny Green was great defensively against OJ Mayo. Whenever he had Mayo in his crosshairs, Dallas’s leading scorer was powerless to do much of anything. In fact, Green blocked a pair of his three-pointers. This continues a pattern that has seen Green play much better defense since returning to shooting guard full-time. On offense, he knocked down two more three-pointers and is now 16-for-22 (72.7%) from downtown since Leonard returned to the starting lineup. While Green had a couple of ugly ventures to the hoop that didn’t end well, he kept his mistakes to a minimum and dished off a few nice passes.
Final Grade: 89
Season Average: 82.6
Adj. Average: 82.9
Last 10 Average: 82.5
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Tiago Splitter
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Like Duncan, Tiago Splitter did almost his entire damage in the first half. He had 11 of his points, five of his rebounds and his assist during the 16 minutes he played before intermission. During that time, his was in the middle of a lot of action. With the Mavs starting Shawn Marion at power forward, Splitter used his height advantage to punish Dallas. In the second half, he was nearly inaudible. He set solid screens but that was about it. Throughout the night, I didn’t love his defense. He was slow to challenge perimeter jumpers and was inconsistent in the paint.
Final Grade: 85
Season Average: 84.9
Adj. Average: 85.7
Last 10 Average: 86.5
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Boris Diaw
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Early on, Boris Diaw was a major liability. His reluctance to shoot was submarining San Antonio’s offensive flow. When Diaw isn’t a threat to shoot even when he’s open, the spacing will assuredly suffer. In the third quarter, the Frenchman finally started taking advantage of his open looks and converted three consecutive shots in short order. It’s not a coincidence that the Spurs were then able to take command. Once he got going on offense, his defense also improved greatly. Rebounding, though, remains a problem. He has only four defensive boards in his last four games, which is obviously not acceptable for a player who is getting all his minutes at power forward or center.
Final Grade: 79
Season Average: 79.9
Adj. Average: 81.0
Last 10 Average: 79.3
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Stephen Jackson
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In recent games, I thought Stephen Jackson was pressing the issue too much. Versus the Mavs, he played at a much more suitable tempo. Jackson remained extremely patient and waited for opportunities to present themselves. The result was one of his most efficient outings of the season. Defensively, he was a plus and also rebounded well. When Jackson is calm and doesn’t overextend, he’s a valuable cog in this machine.
Final Grade: 84
Season Average: 82.7
Adj. Average: 83.1
Last 10 Average: 78.6
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Patrick Mills
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Patrick Mills was able to leapfrog Nando De Colo in the point guard depth chart with an exemplary performance against the Rockets. Regrettably, he wasn’t able to build upon it. Offensively, he was 0-for-4 prior to garbage time and illustrated little to no ability to create off the dribble. His ball-handling was iffy and he was hesitant with his decisions at times. Defensively, Mills was better. He pressured the ball and used his speed to disrupt their flow.
Final Grade: 73
Season Average: 82.9
Adj. Average: 82.7
Last 10 Average: 84.1
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Pop
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Pop is still knee-deep in his experimenting. His latest idea was to put Mills on the court with no other playmaker. Let’s hope he erases that from his list of options going forward. The rest of Pop’s rotation was fine. He’s beginning to lay the groundwork for a nine-man rotation with Jackson spending some time at power forward. I like it.
Final Grade: 84
Season Average: 84.3
Last 10 Average: 80.8
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Offense
The offensive numbers are respectable across the board. The Spurs got to the line an adequate amount, didn’t rely too much on three-pointers and kept their turnovers in check. Their passing was a bit underwhelming and they could have done more damage in the paint … but that’s definitely some nitpicking considering the relatively easy victory.
Final Grade: 90
Season Average: 84.7
Last 10 Average: 82.0
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Defense
This was one of the better defensive performances of the season. Holding the Mavs to 86 points on 97 possessions is really good work. The Spurs did it by defending the three-point line well and keeping them off the charity stripe. Those two areas alone neutered Dallas.
Final Grade: 95
Season Average: 83.7
Last 10 Average: 84.5
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Overall
This was a good win. Yeah, the Mavs are damn bad right now but there’s no doubt they were going to muster every last morsel of competitiveness to throw at the Spurs. Fortunately, that was not nearly enough. Tonight, the Spurs take on a Nets team that is riding a new-coach high. Let’s hope the winning ways continue.
Final Grade: 91
Season Average: 84.3
Last 10 Average: 82.8
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Interrohater
12-31-2012, 02:58 PM
woot!

DPG21920
12-31-2012, 03:40 PM
timvp are you worried at all about Kawhi's offense (or lack there of)? With they preseason hype about him making a big jump offensively, have you seen anything to suggest he can be a legit scorer on a consistent basis if given that role?

timvp
12-31-2012, 04:12 PM
timvp are you worried at all about Kawhi's offense (or lack there of)?
No, I'm not worried. Firstly, since his return, he's not getting very many touches. His touches have mostly consisted of his own doing (rebounds, steals, etc.) or when they pass it to him after the defense is collapsed. He's asked to do almost no creating. (In fact, one of the rare times he tried to create, Pop pulled him out and yelled at him for not passing.) Secondly, despite some hiccups, his TS% is up a healthy amount and it appears he'll be able to make a positive offensive impact consistently ... even if he's not one of the top options.


With they preseason hype about him making a big jump offensively

Circumstances have changed. Going into this season, it appeared as if Kawhi was going to have to pick up more slack and carry a much bigger share of the offensive burden. However, Duncan has turned back the clock scoring-wise to 2005 levels. Parker is a better and more efficient scorer than he was even last season. Ginobili is still a huge part of the offense -- his usage percentage is actually up from last year. Add in Splitter's emergence as a legit starter who warrants touches and the need for Kawhi to make that big offensive jump just isn't there anymore.

I'm starting to be convinced that instead of taking a big jump, Kawhi just needs to be a better version of his rookie self. Unless one of the Big 3 falls off a cliff physically, I think that "big jump" should be postponed until next season.


have you seen anything to suggest he can be a legit scorer on a consistent basis if given that role?
He's still raw obviously but there are hints of some real ability. His shooting stroke looks really smooth (especially since he came back from injury) and his midrange jumper off the dribble looked great earlier in the season. If he can learn how to attack the basket in the halfcourt while avoiding offensive fouls, I think there's a real shot he'll eventually be a 16-to-18 PPG scorer.

justinandimcool
12-31-2012, 04:19 PM
I think Kawhi's abilities on the break and finishing in the paint have failed to meet Pop's (and anyone else's in general, tbh) expectations, and they're trying to extinguish that aspect of his game this year. Less trying to create, more spreading the floor. I honestly don't see his scoring and playmaking getting THAT much better. IMO he'll be close to a Bowen/Gerald Wallace for our future teams than he will a Gervin/Ginobili. I just don't see the faintest bit of natural playmaking ability.

TheSkeptic
12-31-2012, 04:54 PM
I think Kawhi's abilities on the break and finishing in the paint have failed to meet Pop's (and anyone else's in general, tbh) expectations, and they're trying to extinguish that aspect of his game this year. Less trying to create, more spreading the floor. I honestly don't see his scoring and playmaking getting THAT much better. IMO he'll be close to a Bowen/Gerald Wallace for our future teams than he will a Gervin/Ginobili. I just don't see the faintest bit of natural playmaking ability.

I'd agree with this except to add that KL will definitely be better than Bowen offensively. That said, Kawhi's versatility on defense/ his rebounding will always make him valuable to winning teams since he's clearly not at Asik levels of offensive liability.

What people need to elaborate on though is what specifically is meant by "huge offensive leap". If by "offensive leap" we mean "a guy who can finish in the paint, make smart cuts, handle the ball a bit, is solid from 3, and a consistent double digit scorer" then I think that's definitely possible. But if people are expecting Kawhi to split doubles like it's nothing, carry the team on his back offensively, and make jaw-dropping passes a la Ginobili, then folks are setting themselves up for disappointment imo.

Edit: Thanks for the Game Thoughts Timvp. :toast

timvp
12-31-2012, 05:07 PM
I think Kawhi's abilities on the break and finishing in the paint have failed to meet Pop's (and anyone else's in general, tbh) expectations, and they're trying to extinguish that aspect of his game this year.I don't see the Spurs doing anything to limit Kawhi on the fast break. They'll take as many transition opportunities from him as possible. And I think his struggles in the paint have been a bit overblown. He's made some mistakes but he's still shooting 60%-plus from within ten feet. That's a healthy number. Heck, his 58.7% shooting on two-pointers in general is really strong.


IMO he'll be close to a Bowen/Gerald Wallace for our future teamsThere's a too huge of a gulf between Bowen and Gerald Wallace to group them together. Wallace was nearly a 20 PPG scorer in his prime.


than he will a Gervin/Ginobili. Anyone who thought Kawhi was going to be the next Gervin needs to be locked up, tbh. There was never a chance of that. Ginobili, too, isn't realistic as a playmaking measuring stick considering how he's basically a point guard in the half court offense and quite possibly the best non-PG passing player in NBA history. Those are standards Kawhi never had a chance of reaching.


In my eyes, Kawhi's ceiling is something like 18 points, eight rebounds, three assists, two steals and a block per game. He's never going to be a huge scorer or an ace playmaker but he could become an all-around talent ... kind of in the Shawn Marion or Gerald Wallace mold but with less athleticism but more smarts and finesse ability. I think it's highly, highly doubtful he reaches superstar status but making an All-Star game or two while being a top 3 or 4 small forward looks possible if he keeps improving.

spurraider21
12-31-2012, 06:26 PM
In my eyes, Kawhi's ceiling is something like 18 points, eight rebounds, three assists, two steals and a block per game. He's never going to be a huge scorer or an ace playmaker but he could become an all-around talent ... kind of in the Shawn Marion or Gerald Wallace mold but with less athleticism but more smarts and finesse ability. I think it's highly, highly doubtful he reaches superstar status but making an All-Star game or two while being a top 3 or 4 small forward looks possible if he keeps improving.

Do you think this contradicts Pop's statements of Kawhi being the eventual face of the team?

TheSkeptic
12-31-2012, 06:57 PM
^^ Not Timvp, but Pop says a lot of things.

Am I the only one who remembers him saying something about Bogans being a defensive centrepiece?

Forgot to answer the question, but I don't think it jeopardizes Kawhi's chances of being a face of this team. Being a legit All Star candidate on a competitive team...Marion made a few all star teams iirc and I could see Kawhi following along those lines.

TDMVPDPOY
12-31-2012, 07:02 PM
kawhi could be something more then just a roleplayer...the big 3 and heroes on the team have taken away so many of his touches...they really need to go

therealtruth
12-31-2012, 08:59 PM
^^ Not Timvp, but Pop says a lot of things.

Am I the only one who remembers him saying something about Bogans being a defensive centrepiece?

Forgot to answer the question, but I don't think it jeopardizes Kawhi's chances of being a face of this team. Being a legit All Star candidate on a competitive team...Marion made a few all star teams iirc and I could see Kawhi following along those lines.

I never got a good explanation for that Bogans defensive centerpiece comment. As far as KL's potential it really depends on how much Pop wants to involve him in the offense. Fortunately, unlike RJ he is good at finding ways to contribute other than scoring. I am left wondering if Malik Hairston could have been pretty good if Pop had given him a chance as well.

Reck
12-31-2012, 09:00 PM
Posted Wrong thread.

TrainOfThought5
01-01-2013, 02:25 AM
Idk Timvp... I want More from Kawhi. I think his ball handling and creative abilities can improve. But youre probably right, he'll never be an elite Small Forward/#1 scoring option. Where do you see this team going in the next two years if timmy/Gino retires. Hanga coming over, Bertans coming over, maybe a solid FA pickup and and TPs game slowing down and becoming more pass oriented??

racm
01-01-2013, 02:44 AM
Idk Timvp... I want More from Kawhi. I think his ball handling and creative abilities can improve. But youre probably right, he'll never be an elite Small Forward/#1 scoring option. Where do you see this team going in the next two years if timmy/Gino retires. Hanga coming over, Bertans coming over, maybe a solid FA pickup and and TPs game slowing down and becoming more pass oriented??

That's when KL's scoring game should pick up, tbh. Nevertheless he'll get most of his points from becoming a one man break or from salvaging broken plays.