America's War in Yemen

[InRareForm]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/foreign-affairs-defense/al-qaeda-in-yemen/interactive-map-americas-war-in-yemen/#117

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/foreign-affairs-defense/al-qaeda-in-yemen/interactive-map-americas-war-in-yemen/#117
Wow...

If that information is correct, Obama is a psychopathic killer. Who targets a home as a military target? one of the attacks hit a school.

[boutons_deux]

Wow...

If that information is correct, Obama is a psychopathic killer. Who targets a home as a military target? one of the attacks hit a school.

You'd be doing backflips and waving pompoms, or very least shrugging, if the MIC did this under a Repug admin.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Who targets a home as a military target?

Bush

[boutons_deux]

During dubya's Reign of Error, no civilians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan by US arms, and esp not wedding parties of dozens of people.

[SA210]

Wow...

If that information is correct, Obama is a psychopathic killer. Who targets a home as a military target? one of the attacks hit a school.

Um yea, you still think I'm blowing shit out of proportion now? He's a fucking psychopath. Child murderer and war criminal.

[Wild Cobra]

Um yea, you still think I'm blowing shit out of proportion now? He's a fucking psychopath. Child murderer and war criminal.
I see one drone attack during the Bush years in that spread, a vehicle or convoy of only militants. Several of the attacks Obama authorized were residences, and even at least one elementary school was hit.

Is this where the series theme "Homeland" comes from I wonder...

[Winehole23]

I see one drone attack during the Bush years in that spread, a vehicle or convoy of only militants. Several of the attacks Obama authorized were residences, and even at least one elementary school was hit.
what you can find fits in a thimble. according to various easily findable sources, the number of drone strikes under Bush is 52. Obama's number is bigger by a factor of at least five, but 52 is vastly bigger than one.

what's your source on that, btw?

(for mine, check New America foundation and wikipedia)

[Wild Cobra]

what you can find fits in a thimble. according to various easily findable sources, the number of drone strikes under Bush is 52. Obama's number is bigger by a factor of at least five, but 52 is vastly bigger than one.

what's your source on that, btw?

(for mine, check New America foundation and wikipedia)
This was just Yemen. I didn't say he only did one attack.

[Winehole23]

fair enough

[Wild Cobra]

Funny how the writers of Wikipedia give Bush credit for a drone attack that the Pakistani's say they did. The one killing more than 70 in Chenagai. The link tied to it that the wiki writer uses even says the US denied that attack and the Pakistani's took credit for it.

Can't trust wiki without verifying.

Alcoholic...

Do you ever follow the source links when you use wiki?

[TDMVPDPOY]

hey clowns

u know with collateral, do u pay compensation or anything goes?

cause the british are paying up for collateral compensation or someshit....

[Halberto]

You can see where Obama went trigger happy starting in 2011. I'd like to see a Pakistan map....

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Personally I would have to be shown malicious intent to give a fuck about bombing Yemen. If you are a SA210 that believes that the feds are lying to us about 9/11 and what not then I get this approach of AQ as boogeyman but if

1) you believe that AQ is real and actually did attack the US in '01
2) they are still actively planning attacks on US soil

then I see this as guerrilla warfare. It's almost as if you guys would feel better if it was an army battallion or F-16's that were doing it with the fixation on drones as the delivery system. You guys sound like the same complaints that were given with bombing in Vietnam in terms of tactics. THEY BOMBED A VILLAGE!

I agree with the need for military operation against AQ and their bases especially their training facilities. 250 drone strikes over 4 years hardly seems like too much.

[Wild Cobra]

Personally I would have to be shown malicious intent to give a fuck about bombing Yemen.

I would go for incompetence. Obama is simply incompetent as CiC.


I agree with the need for military operation against AQ and their bases especially their training facilities. 250 drone strikes over 4 years hardly seems like too much.

I guess you don't know what a surgical strike is. Under the current administration, there is way too much collateral damage. It's as if these people are inmhuman to him.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would go for incompetence. Obama is simply incompetent as CiC.

I guess you don't know what a surgical strike is. Under the current administration, there is way too much collateral damage. It's as if these people are inmhuman to him.

:lol

As if you could sniff a good take on competent military tactics. You even make E4?

All collateral damage is 'too much.' This GOP minion gone dove bullshit is hilarious though.

[Wild Cobra]

Fuzzy...

Why are you stalking me and finding fault in everything I say?

Why are you being like a first grade bully?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy...

Why are you stalking me and finding fault in everything I say?

Why are you being like a first grade bully?

Quit being stupid and I will quit pointing it out. Calling me a bully does not deter me and does not gain you any sympathy around here. I don't like stupidity and I will always speak out against it. If you don't like it go away or put me on ignore.

In this case, my post that you responded to in no way addressed you. You were arguing with WH about the credibility of wikipedia which my post had nothing to do with. You brought my response on yourself. Quit crying.

[Wild Cobra]

Liar.

You are constantly starting shit with me and others for no good reason.

You are fucking pathetic.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Liar.

You are constantly starting shit with me and others for no good reason.

You are fucking pathetic.

:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

Rage, Rage against the.....

I did not address you in this thread until you addressed me. I would say that I am sorry that I hurt your feelings but I am not but I didn't start this one. And I told you before, quit saying stupid shit and I will quit being mean to you. Until then you might as well deal with it because crying like this isn't exactly getting work done.

[Wild Cobra]

I did not address you in this thread until you addressed me.
Wow...

The truth for once.

The difference is I didn't respond with anything offensive. You are always starting offensive bullshit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you never made E4?

I think your tactical acumen is very much on point in regards to you making statements about competency. You don't like it then don't say stupid shit. Sorry if that means that you cannot speak at all but I cannot help your inclinations it seems.

[SA210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLqm3eDYMg

[boutons_deux]

The 'war on terror' - by design - can never end

As the Pentagon's former top lawyer urges that the war be viewed as finite, the US moves in the opposite direction"Now that efforts by the US military against al-Qaida are in their 12th year, we must also ask ourselves: How will this conflict end? . . . . 'War' must be regarded as a finite, extraordinary and unnatural state of affairs. We must not accept the current conflict, and all that it entails, as the 'new normal.' Peace must be regarded as the norm toward which the human race continually strives. . . .

"There will come a tipping point at which so many of the leaders and operatives of al-Qaida and its affiliates have been killed or captured, and the group is no longer able to attempt or launch a strategic attack against the United States, that al-Qaida will be effectively destroyed."

Rachel Maddow interviewed Johnson, and before doing so, she opined as follows:

"When does this thing we are in now end? And if it does not have an end — and I'm not speaking as a lawyer here, I am just speaking as a citizen who feels morally accountable for my country's actions — if it does not have an end, then morally speaking it does not seem like it is a war. And then, our country is killing people and locking them up outside the traditional judicial system in a way I think we maybe cannot be forgiven for."

a "disposition matrix" to determine how terrorism suspects will be disposed of, all based on this fact: "among senior Obama administration officials, there is broad consensus that such operations are likely to be extended at least another decade." As Miller puts it: "That timeline suggests that the United States has reached only the midpoint of what was once known as the global war on terrorism."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/04/war-on-terror-endless-johnson

[InRareForm]

^great article

[SA210]

Amazing..under a "Democratic" President..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfD_5Lu2LRk

[Wild Cobra]

Amazing..under a "Democratic" President..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfD_5Lu2LRk
Just remember, it was democrats who started our most controversial wars.

[SA210]

Amazing..under a "Democratic" President..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfD_5Lu2LRk

:lmao The people were fooled, TWICE! Hilarious, yet sad.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5t8GdxFYBU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgTydr4gAaI

[Winehole23]

in August 2013, a highly-regarded source that tracks US strikes in Yemen, the Long War Journal, reported (http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2013/08/us_kills_local_aqap.php) on a "trend" since spring 2012 whereby the US has targeted "not only senior AQAP operatives who pose a direct threat to the US, but also low-level fighters and local commanders who are battling the Yemeni government". This is contrary, as the Journal notes, to US officials' claims that "drones are targeting only those AQAP leaders and operatives who pose a direct threat to the US homeland, and not those fighting AQAP's local insurgency against the Yemeni government."

The administration's decision to become directly involved in militarily defeating the insurgency in Yemen may be sound policy; or it may not. Right or wrong, it is not for President Obama alone to decide. When the question whether to involve the US militarily in Libya's and Syria's civil wars arose, the president addressed the country explaining his rationale and legal authority, and Congress debated.


Democracy, at a bare minimum, means leaders inform and listen to the public before committing the nation to war. A national discussion on Yemen is waiting.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/22/foreign-wars-america-fighting-yemen

[Winehole23]

President Obama’s heavy reliance on drone-launched missiles to strike terrorists, mainly in Pakistan and Yemen, has come at a regrettable price. On Monday, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch claimed that more than 87 civilians were killed in just the 10 drone attacks that they were able to research. Last week, a United Nations investigator estimated at least 400 civilians have been killed over the past decade by American drone strikes.


These reports cry out for more transparency about how the CIA and the military’s Joint Special Operations Command conduct the attacks, with any number of questions in need of answers.


How do drone operators, for example, know they can avoid civilian casualties with the “near certainty” required by Mr. Obama? How do they know if a suspected militant on the ground is a “continuing, imminent threat” to the United States? And is the unintended killing of bystanders creating more new militants than the attacks are eliminating?


Even with its success in preventing terrorist attacks on Americans, the US drone program remains shrouded in secrecy, especially with these new reports of civilian casualties.


Perhaps the most difficult question is this: As drone technology advances, is the US turning more of the decisionmaking in a strike over to the so-called intelligence of a semi-autonomous machine?


Many attacks on suspected Al Qaeda or Taliban figures are “signature strikes,” which rely on electronic surveillance that detects patterns of behavior rather than real-time human judgment. Are drones now also able to fire a missile on their own?

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the-monitors-view/2013/1022/Drone-strikes-that-hit-civilians-Time-to-rethink-intelligence

[Winehole23]

Last year, I encouraged (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/every-person-is-afraid-of-the-drones-the-strikes-effect-on-life-in-pakistan/262814/) readers to remember the fear that Americans felt on September 11, 2001. Many expected another attack to materialize at any moment. Anxiety even played on the nerves of people who lived far from any major city. That's how drones make innocents in Pakistan and Yemen feel every day, I wrote, citing research completed by the law clinics at NYU and Stanford. A mother they interviewed explained that "because of the terror, we shut our eyes, hide under our scarves, put our hands over our ears." Said a day laborer, "I can't sleep at night because when the drones are there .... I hear them making that sound, that noise. The drones are all over my brain .... I just turn on the light and sit there .... Whenever the drones are hovering over us, it just makes me so scared."


Children in these communities are particularly vulnerable.


"When children hear the drones, they get really scared, and they can hear them all the time so they're always fearful that the drone is going to attack them," an unidentified man reported. "Because of the noise, we're psychologically disturbed, women, men, and children .... Twenty-four hours, a person is in stress and there is pain in his head." A journalists who photographs drone strike craters agreed that children are perpetually terrorized. "If you bang a door," Noor Behram said, "they'll scream and drop like something bad is going to happen."


Americans seldom hear from the people in Pakistan's tribal regions, ground zero for U.S. drone strikes. The interviews the NYU/Stanford report conducted were an important reminder that the Obama Administration's secretive drone war affects not only dead militants and the many innocents killed as "collateral damage." Drone strikes increase terror in whole communities—rational, fully justified terror.


How terrified would you be if a foreign power flew armed drones over your house day after day?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/8-year-old-girl-on-drones-when-they-fly-overhead-i-wonder-will-i-be-next/280753/

[Winehole23]

Yemen’s capital, Sana’a, appeared to have fallen to Shia rebels on Tuesday, after militants overran the presidential palace and secured control of most other state institutions after two days of deadly clashes.


The fate of the country’s elected president, Abed Mansour Hadi, remained unclear, as the rebels, known as Houthis, rampaged through the city. Hadi was believed to be barricaded in his home in another part of Sana’a, which was being shelled throughout the evening.


Huge explosions were heard inside the presidential palace, which sources said were rockets used when presidential guards briefly resisted the Houthi takeover.


The continued assault had earlier been described as a “coup” by Yemen’s information minister and other senior officials.http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/20/houthi-rebels-seize-yemen-presidential-palace

[hater]

Lets not forget who started the war in Yemen

[hater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLqm3eDYMg

[Winehole23]

wow

SA210 what a blast from the past, what does he call himself now?

[Winehole23]

why are you serving this stale tea, hater?

[hater]

why are you serving this stale tea, hater?

Stale? Hundred thousand civilians are in danger of starvation cause we still there attacking them

Whats stale about it?

[hater]

Stale huh?

https://twitter.com/ap/status/1065154733026013184?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/chrismurphyct/status/1063485538081128449?s=21

[hater]

https://twitter.com/studioloraine/status/1065259633084911616?s=21

[hater]

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