Quick Grades: Spurs vs. 76ers - Jan. 5

[timvp]

Tim Duncan A
Perimeter D lacking but interior D dominant. Very strong offensively: scored on post, passed well, quick decisions.

Manu Ginobili A-
Great start to the game. Got overzealous at times but made a ton of good plays for himself and others.

Tony Parker A-
Played with chutzpah on both ends. D was energetic. On O, he expertly dealt with everything Sixers threw at him.

Kawhi Leonard B
Solid on defense, particularly in transition. Very strong on the boards. Quiet offensively. Needs more involvement.

Danny Green B+
Early shots provided a boost. Good shot selection. Good D. Uncoordinated at times but overall above average.

Tiago Splitter B-
Didn’t finish well; needs to gather himself better. Rebounding was a plus but D impact was up and down.

Boris Diaw C+
Apparently played 15 minutes. Was very quiet. Passed up shots offensively. Subpar effort on defense.

Gary Neal B+
Better than usual on D. Great hustle on that end. Took decent enough shots but more creating would help.

Nando De Colo C+
Average D. Offensive production nondescript. Needs to shoot more and take better care of the ball.

Matt Bonner C
Poor interior defense; didn’t even provide a speed bump. No defensive rebounding. Not crisp on offense.

Patrick Mills Inc.
Made a few plays off the dribble, which is unusual for him.

DeJuan Blair Inc.
Scoring eight points is pretty impressive for a small bigman who can no longer jump at all.

Pop A-
Tweaked the rotation seamlessly with the loss of Jackson. Kept all the minutes reasonable.

[spurs10]

Thanks for the Thoughts. How 'bout that Manu? Good bounce back after the stumble in the garden.
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[Strategic]

Nice take. I agree it was a very good overall effort. Pop even used the 6'7'' and under line-up and got away with it.

[dallasmaverickslose]

timvp's life F
Posts quickgrades immediately after a blowout win. Has no life.

[Cry Havoc]

timvp's life F
Posts quickgrades immediately after a blowout win. Has no life.

He has 3 kids, of course he has no life. :lol

[Cry Havoc]

Tiago gets a B+ from me this game for the fact that he was out there fighting on every play in the 1st half. Most aggressive I've seen him on both sides of the ball in a while.

[Bruno]

Thanks for the grades. A quiet easy win.

Blair was maybe a little more motivated for that game because it was against Sixers, a team that was rumored being interest in him. The next 10 days will be great test for Spurs frontcourt with two games against Memphis and one against Lakers.

[Kori Ellis]

He has 3 kids, of course he has no life. :lol

We actually have four kids if that makes it any better (worse). :lol

[Phenomanul]

The stat guy again missed another block for Señor Duncan...

[Hoops Czar]

Nando needs to send Pop a giant thank you card because without his support, De Colo wouldn't even see the sight of an NBA court let alone actually play in a game. Another underwhelming performance for a player who belongs in the D-league full time gaining valuable experience while earning credible playing time against players he can compete with on an everyday basis and further instill the confidence and the hope of one day returning to the NBA and actually competing for minutes alongside other reserves coming off the Spurs bench as opposed to amassing his small 8 to 10 minutes of fame while defecating egregiously all over the court with his apathetic passing, ill-fated shooting and uninspiring defense. Pop giving him burn in the second quarter is both pointless and disturbing. Hell, Curtis Joseph could put up Nando's numbers and probably do it better and more proficiently. De Colo's not an NBA caliber player, not even close. And anyone who thinks differently has Malik Hairston syndrome.

Anything above a C- is way too high. Maybe one day, De Colo will develop into a useful role player but that day isn't today. I agree with the rest of the grades though.

[chapnis]

Nando needs to send Pop a giant thank you card because without his support, De Colo wouldn't even see the sight of an NBA court let alone actually play in a game. Another underwhelming performance for a player who belongs in the D-league full time gaining valuable experience while earning credible playing time against players he can compete with on an everyday basis and further instill the confidence and the hope of one day returning to the NBA and actually competing for minutes alongside other reserves coming off the Spurs bench as opposed to amassing his small 8 to 10 minutes of fame while defecating egregiously all over the court with his apathetic passing, ill-fated shooting and uninspiring defense. Pop giving him burn in the second quarter is both pointless and disturbing. Hell, Curtis Joseph could put up Nando's numbers and probably do it better and more proficiently. De Colo's not an NBA caliber player, not even close. And anyone who thinks differently has Malik Hairston syndrome.

Anything above a C- is way too high. Maybe one day, De Colo will develop into a useful role player but that day isn't today. I agree with the rest of the grades though.

Nah, tell us what you really think why don't ya?

He's not that bad.

[polandprzem]

We actually have four kids if that makes it any better (worse). :lol
It seems like you share responsibilities. You take care of kids. LJ takes care of the .... computer and internet































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[quentin_compson]

That certainly was an ugly game offensively for Tiago. He is partly to blame for it, though, as he was just not decisive enough at times with his finishing. But the effort was there, and at least he had a good rebounding night.
Neal's hustle on D was commendable. There was one situation where he threw himself on the floor diving for a loose ball - and that was with the Spurs already being up roughly 20 points.

[playblair]

props blair

[therealtruth]

That certainly was an ugly game offensively for Tiago. He is partly to blame for it, though, as he was just not decisive enough at times with his finishing. But the effort was there, and at least he had a good rebounding night.
Neal's hustle on D was commendable. There was one situation where he threw himself on the floor diving for a loose ball - and that was with the Spurs already being up roughly 20 points.

He can't shoot 75% every game.

[michaelwcho]

Timvp, I wonder are you keeping all these grades (actually, the numerical ones you do later) in a sortable spreadsheet? It would be interesting to be able to see how the guys do versus certain teams and certain calibers of teams. It sure seems that the grades are consistently high versus the lower-tiers, and generally low versus the better teams.

[quentin_compson]

He can't shoot 75% every game.

I wasn't demanding he should.

[biskvito]

Nando needs to send Pop a giant thank you card because without his support, De Colo wouldn't even see the sight of an NBA court let alone actually play in a game.

3 assists in 10 minutes, that's really disturbing considering he's not capable of playing in the NBA... parker had 5 in 30min, ginobili 4 in 26, and Gary "mini-Carmelo" Neal hugs the ball for 25min... IMHO unselfish creative players are worthy every minute of development...

[Hoops Czar]

3 assists in 10 minutes, that's really disturbing considering he's not capable of playing in the NBA... parker had 5 in 30min, ginobili 4 in 26, and Gary "mini-Carmelo" Neal hugs the ball for 25min... IMHO unselfish creative players are worthy every minute of development...

Sick comparison When Parker is +22, Manu is + 11 and Neal is +7. De Colo? -5. Also, Ginobili was pretty sloppy all game long but Paker had 0 To's in 29 minutes and Neal had 1 in 25 minutes. De Colo had 2 in 10 minutes. Any donkey can make a pass. He doesn't make the team better when he's on the court. And a 3/2 assist to TO ratio in garbage time isn't really a good one.

[chapnis]

Sick comparison When Parker is +22, Manu is + 11 and Neal is +7. De Colo? -5. Also, Ginobili was pretty sloppy all game long but Paker had 0 To's in 29 minutes and Neal had 1 in 25 minutes. De Colo had 2 in 10 minutes. Any donkey can make a pass. He doesn't make the team better when he's on the court. And a 3/2 assist to TO ratio in garbage time isn't really a good one.

Of course, because you'd expect him to have a great +/- if he's playing with the worst players on the Spurs roster? Oh wait, probably not...

Also, if Pop and the Spurs front office see something in him then I believe them, they know a heck of a lot more about basketball than I do.

[Hoops Czar]

Of course, because you'd expect him to have a great +/- if he's playing with the worst players on the Spurs roster? Oh wait, probably not...

Also, if Pop and the Spurs front office see something in him then I believe them, they know a heck of a lot more about basketball than I do.De Colo is one of the worst players on the court. He adds nothing to the depth of this team. I'm not sure the point you're trying to make.

Sending a player to the D-league doesn't mean the coach or organization doesn't see something in him. It means he needs more time to develop and fine tune his game. He's not NBA material at this point in time and he isn't getting the kind of run with the Spurs that he could be getting with the Toros. And to your words, how do you expect a player to improve if you throw him out there with the worst players on the Spurs roster in garbage time? Talk about taking the slow track to success.

[Seventyniner]

timvp's life F
Posts quickgrades immediately after a blowout win. Has no life.

Well done!
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206023&p=6214348#post6214348

[Obstructed_View]

Sick comparison When Parker is +22, Manu is + 11 and Neal is +7. De Colo? -5. Also, Ginobili was pretty sloppy all game long but Paker had 0 To's in 29 minutes and Neal had 1 in 25 minutes. De Colo had 2 in 10 minutes. Any donkey can make a pass. He doesn't make the team better when he's on the court. And a 3/2 assist to TO ratio in garbage time isn't really a good one.

Duncan and Bonner were both +11 and Bonner played fewer minutes. Imagine what would happen if Bonner started getting some of those Duncan minutes!

[Obstructed_View]

Well done!
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206023&p=6214348#post6214348

:lol you have a plagiarist, just like LJ!

[Hoops Czar]

Duncan and Bonner were both +11 and Bonner played fewer minutes. Imagine what would happen if Bonner started getting some of those Duncan minutes!

I never said Bonner was worth a shit. But keep in mind, before Splitter, there was Bonner. And he ate into Duncan's minutes nightly while putting up a solid +/-. Btw, if you're refering to De colo's second quarter cameo appearances,I've already said he shouldn't be out there.

edit: Just to be clear, De Colo is cutting into Neal's playing time, not Parker's or Ginobili's.

[Seventyniner]

:lol you have a plagiarist, just like LJ!

Nah, not a plagiarist. Just someone who took my advice.

[Obstructed_View]

I never said Bonner was worth a shit. But keep in mind, before Splitter, there was Bonner. And he ate into Duncan's minutes nightly while putting up a solid +/-. Btw, if you're refering to De colo's second quarter cameo appearances,I've already said he shouldn't be out there.

edit: Just to be clear, De Colo is cutting into Neal's playing time, not Parker's or Ginobili's.

You're using plus minus as a tool to support who gets minutes. I was showing you how ridiculous it is. Gary Neal is not a point guard. He's great for instant offense, but he's not ever going to run point effectively, plus minus or null.

[Hoops Czar]

You're using plus minus as a tool to support who gets minutes. I was showing you how ridiculous it is. Gary Neal is not a point guard. He's great for instant offense, but he's not ever going to run point effectively, plus minus or null.

I was using plus/minus in conjuction with his assist to TO ratio to show how De Colo isn't a very good NBA basketball player right now. Currently, De Colo is averaging 1.8 assists to his 1.3 TO's. That is a horrible assist to Turnover ratio for a pg/sg who's sole purpose is to help generate offense. Nando may one day have the tools to make it in the NBA, but he still needs to develop some sort of consistency and learn how to run the team more efficiently and that's why he's better suited playing for the Toros as opposed to burried on the Spurs bench. He's gaining very little experience with his small underwhelming cameo appearances in garbage time.

It's funny you bring up Neal, because De Colo is a poor man's Gary.

[chapnis]

No way is De Colo is a poor mans Gary. De Colo is a play maker and point guard while Gary is a cold-blooded chucker and a shooting guard. I don't understand how he is a poor mans Gary because I'd struggle to find 2 players who are more different on this Spurs roster.

[Manufan909]

No way is De Colo is a poor mans Gary. De Colo is a play maker and point guard while Gary is a cold-blooded chucker and a shooting guard. I don't understand how he is a poor mans Gary because I'd struggle to find 2 players who are more different on this Spurs roster.

This. Hoops Czar is either a massive troll, or on some really good shit.

[racm]

De Colo is a beggar's 'Ason Kidd while Neal is a Jamal Crawford on a rookie minimum contract.

[chapnis]

De Colo is a beggar's 'Ason Kidd while Neal is a Jamal Crawford on a rookie minimum contract.

Sounds about right to me.

[will_spurs]

Currently, De Colo is averaging 1.8 assists to his 1.3 TO's. That is a horrible assist to Turnover ratio for a pg/sg who's sole purpose is to help generate offense.

Assist/TO ratio:
- Nando de Colo: 1.38
- Kyrie Irving: 1.45
- Ricky Rubio: 1.67

Damn, I'd really want none of them on the Spurs...

[Hoops Czar]

No way is De Colo is a poor mans Gary. De Colo is a play maker and point guard while Gary is a cold-blooded chucker and a shooting guard. I don't understand how he is a poor mans Gary because I'd struggle to find 2 players who are more different on this Spurs roster.


De Colo is no point guard. At best, he's a backend of the rotation shooting guard like Neal IF he can ever find some consistency with his shot. I find it almost fathomable that a so-called playmaker like Nando displays the exact same Assist to turnover ratio as Neal (1.8/1.3 respectively). Call Neal what you like, but he has established himself as a cold blooded three point shooting specialist. People expect Nando to be the second coming of Manu Ginobili, who can pass, shoot and create for his teammates and I can flat out tell you, that isn't De Colo. Neal has an NBA career because he can shoot, not because of his playmaking ability. De Colo won't survive in this league as a playmaker with an assist to turnover ratio thats slightly above even.

[Hoops Czar]

Assist/TO ratio:
- Nando de Colo: 1.38
- Kyrie Irving: 1.45
- Ricky Rubio: 1.67

Damn, I'd really want none of them on the Spurs...

If De Colo averaged over 23 ppg like Irving and had no shooters to pass to , then I would gladly accept 1.45, but until then...

[chapnis]

Nando De Colo has an assist/TO ratio of 1.38.

In Manu Ginobili's first season he has an assist/TO ratio of, wait for it... 1.38. He ended up to be more than a backend rotation shooting guard if my memory serves me correctly.

[TDMVPDPOY]

timvp do you have stats on td vs hero midrange jumpshot %fg? cause it looks like both clowns are hitting them automatic this season....

[chapnis]

This season "hero" is 48% from 10-15 and 51% from 16-3pt.

Timmy is 40% from 10-15 and 44% from 16-pt. Lower than I expected...

[Hoops Czar]

Nando De Colo has an assist/TO ratio of 1.38.

In Manu Ginobili's first season he has an assist/TO ratio of, wait for it... 1.38. He ended up to be more than a backend rotation shooting guard if my memory serves me correctly.Manu was more athletically gifted and played with the first and second unit averaging over 20 minutes a game. He wasn't relegated to mop up duties at the end of the game with som cameo 2nd quarter appearances.

edit: Neal has the same assist to turnover ratio as Manu's rookie season and De Colo. I guess that makes him a playmaker.

[dallasmaverickslose]

Nah, not a plagiarist. Just someone who took my advice.

Yeah buddy!

[Slutter McGee]

Yeah buddy!

Why the fuck did you bump this on a game night? I clicked on it when I saw quick grades without taking a closer look, and was confused the fuck out for a couple minutes. Seriously, why the fuck would you bump this?

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[dallasmaverickslose]

Why the fuck did you bump this on a game night? I clicked on it when I saw quick grades without taking a closer look, and was confused the fuck out for a couple minutes. Seriously, why the fuck would you bump this?

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

Fuck you.