AFC Divisional Round: Ravens@Broncos

[Bill_Brasky]

Jacoby fail.

[Clipper Nation]

See what I mean? 4th down now because they wasted plays on running the ball....

[Raven]

nah, it was an underrated joke from me tbh. simple but effective.


:lol

[HI-FI]

uh oh
great throw but great coverage

[LnGrrrR]

Clutch play by the Denver defense.

[VBM]

Flacco ain't getting the ball back

[LakerHater]

Ball Game!!

[LnGrrrR]

The Colts get your team a bye week and you repay me by rooting against our old quarterback? Fuck you LnGrrrR (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=14319)

:lol Sorry JT...

[HI-FI]

Manning needs to continue with the Bradyesque dinking and dunking.

[Bill_Brasky]

Imagine if the Texans ruin Brady vs Manning......

[LnGrrrR]

This game should be over. Broncos can just run 3 times and take so much time off the clock that Baltimore will be very limited on playcalling.

[HI-FI]

I just think after 10 years, the jokes have to be really good to be funny, kind of like Kobe jokes.

you have a point, but I repeat Rapist jokes in the NBA forum all the time. i'll drove a joke into the ground until it comes out the other side and is slighty funny again.

[LakerHater]

Imagine if the Texans ruin Brady vs Manning......
Imagine a Harbagh bowl

[Clipper Nation]

Imagine if the Texans ruin Brady vs Manning......
:lol Roger won't be allowing THAT to happen...

[HI-FI]

:lol Roger won't be allowing THAT to happen...
while I share your conspiracy theories, the Ravens received more favorable calls this game. There was plenty of bullshit the first half.

[VBM]

Alright...here we go

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Fox scared to throw the ball imho

[LakerHater]

Uh-Oh..

[LakerHater]

Can see Tory Smith burning Bailey ftw!

[LnGrrrR]

:lol Flacco. You moron. Throw the ball away instead of gaining 6 useless yards.

[jeebus]

are you shittin me

[HI-FI]

holy shit

[LnGrrrR]

:LMAO :LMAO

Denver, how the fuck do you let them get behind you?!?!?

[VBM]

$%#TGWREV%WTWERV%TBERTERV

[jeebus]

crofl "run the ball, Peyton. I trust our defense"

[Floyd Pacquiao]

oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh shit :lmao

[Warlord23]

:lmao Jacoby Jones

[Clipper Nation]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[DAF86]

Are you fucking kidding me :lmao

[weebo]

what the hell just happened? :lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Don't go for two Baltimore. Play it safe. :lol

[baseline bum]

WTF Denver????

[HI-FI]

:cryBut it's all Manning's fault

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao
Choking chokers deserve to lose.

[Raven]

career game for flacco

[Chinook]

My word.

[resistanze]

Oh wow.

[Trainwreck2100]

fire john fox like tomorrow

[weebo]

What makes it more improbable is Jacoby Jones caught the ball

[LnGrrrR]

:cryBut it's all Manning's fault

:lol Manning had no help :cry :cry

Only two return TDs isn't enough help! :cry :cry

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Bronco fans, the majority of them, that don't think Rahim Moore is a bust..what a fucking piece of shit..

Fuck John Fox and running on 3rd down, too..vanilla..

[Chinook]

It's about time a third receiver made a clutch play for Baltimore in the playoffs. A great thing to see after the last two years.

[elemento]

:lol

[timvp]

:lmao @ the claims Denver had the best defense in the NFL.

[LnGrrrR]

Wtf? Not going for it? *smh*

[VBM]

Pussy move by Denver

[gaKNOW!blee]

John fox is a fuckin pansy

[DAF86]

John Fox is the biggest scared pussy in the NFL, tbh.

[lefty]

timvp must be laughing right now

[jeebus]

lmao. that seals it, Ravens gonna win in OT

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

:lmao Donkeys

[weebo]

Does Denver want to lose???

[Trainwreck2100]

fire john fox like tomorrow

[monosylab1k]

As a Pats fan i love seeing two team we are clearly better than.

[Nathan89]

Fox is such POS coach. Treating Peyton like Tebow.:depressed

[chunticakes]

lol @ denver playing it safe

[Chinook]

Conservative.

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao Fox not trusting Manning

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol 2 timeouts, 30 seconds, Peyton Manning and the kicker with one of the top 3 strongest legs in the NFL and you kneel?..

Fuck John Fox, as I've been saying for a minute..

[VBM]

Worst explanation of rules ever

[HI-FI]

Ray Lewis is praying at the coin toss. "God, if we win this, I won't try stabbing you in heaven."

[Floyd Pacquiao]

It's heads :lmao Fox

[LakerHater]

WTF Fox, 1st way to conservative then take a knee whn uve got 2 TOs & Peyton

[jeebus]

Ray Lewis is praying at the coin toss. "God, if we win this, I won't try stabbing you in heaven."

:lol

[timvp]

So no are all Bronco Fan going to turn on John Fox. From :cryhe reinstilled class back in our organization:cry to :cryIt's all his fault:cry in record time, tbh.

[weebo]

Ray Lewis is praying at the coin toss. "God, if we win this, I won't try stabbing you in heaven."

:lol

[Chinook]

Ray Lewis is praying at the coin toss. "God, if we win this, I won't try stabbing you in heaven."

Much better. :toast

[Nathan89]

Special team touchdowns just allowed Fox to play even more conservative.

[Trainwreck2100]

So no are all Bronco Fan going to turn on John Fox. From :cryhe reinstilled class back in our organization:cry to :cryIt's all his fault:cry in record time, tbh.

As someone who has seen a majority of Broncos games this year, I've been calling for Fox's head all season

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao Same old fucking Donks if they lose this game
:lmao Can't win shit without cut-blocking and salary cap cheating

[Bill_Brasky]

Just terrible strategy from Denver....they coulda put it away with Manning so easily.....

[HI-FI]

Much better. :toast
thanks. i took the basic chords but reworked the arrangements.

[Nathan89]

I'd go deep right now on this scared Denver defense.

[VBM]

Stop with the runs...use the short pass game with him

[weebo]

Knocked da fuck out

[Bill_Brasky]

It wouldn't be a proper choke without some of Denver's players getting injured in OT.

[Lincoln]

:lmao Same old fucking Donks if they lose this game
:lmao Can't win shit without cut-blocking and salary cap cheating

Don't take subtle shots at my nigga shanny even tho he fucked rg3s career

[HI-FI]

sounds like Phillip Glass in this commercial for you uneducated niggas

[Chinook]

Why do they even have quarters in playoff overtime? It should just be unlimited drives.

[Bill_Brasky]

:lol Roger won't be allowing THAT to happen...

Oops, the Ravens might be doing those honors :lol

[jeebus]

might wanna take another gander at that catch

[timvp]

Looked like a catch to me, tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Rog sending in the orders to call that incomplete as we speak....

[Chinook]

These officials, man. It's not about the calls themselves. They just seem like they have no control of this game.

[Trainwreck2100]

Looked like a catch to me, tbh.

his hand wasn't under the ball when it hits the ground

[weebo]

No catch

[jeebus]

Rog sending in the orders to call that incomplete as we speak....

nice call.

[HI-FI]

wow

horrible officiating today

Clipper Nation still saying Goodell pulling for the Broncos crofl

[timvp]

If the Broncos lose, their fans will blame that for all eternity even though it looks like the right call.

[Bill_Brasky]

Rofl Balty tryin to do this shit for Ray. I think I feel myself pulling for them.

[Clipper Nation]

nice call.
Them reverse jinx goods :lol

[gaKNOW!blee]

the ref says the call stands and then explains it like he said confirmed.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

scared ass ravens still running the ball scared to sling that shit

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lmao paper champ

[weebo]

Chump Bailey :lol

[VBM]

Awful call

[HI-FI]

HarlemHeat being rushed to Ottawa General Hospital as we speak.

cue the Clipper Nation conspiracy theory response

[lefty]

Roger hates Denver :lmao

[Bill_Brasky]

Keep your dirty hands off this OT, officials.

[timvp]

Good call.

[Trainwreck2100]

awful fucking call

[lefty]

Good call.

Denver hater :lol

[Chinook]

Looked ticky-tack.

[monosylab1k]

If Denver fans weren't such faggots they'd be doing the epic Baltimore Fan "BULLSHIT!" chant.

[Raven]

how can you run this much against such a shitty secondary...

[HI-FI]

If Denver fans weren't such faggots they'd be doing the epic Baltimore Fan "BULLSHIT!" chant.

too stoned tbh

[VBM]

This playcalling is so shitty

[jeebus]

the field still looks better than Washington's did last week

[VBM]

Huge play

[lefty]

Roflcopter

[weebo]

Flacco pulling a Mattie Schaub

[monosylab1k]

Fl:lolcco

[Clipper Nation]

Choke..... how the fuck do you not throw a bomb?

[jeebus]

Choke..... how the fuck do you not throw a bomb?

both teams with the same offensive coord. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Ravens should fire every single coach, tbh... this playcalling set the team up to fail....

[timvp]

Denver hater :lol

I'm rooting for the Broncos, tbh. But I'd take Broncos loss just to see Bronco Fan reaction.

Raven Fan > Bronco Fan so no matter what happens, I'm good.

[Warlord23]

Shit throw, great catch

[HI-FI]

that looked like a complete pass tbh, but they'll probably fuck over denver in this. much better catch than Bouldins

[Chinook]

That was a catch.

[timvp]

Ravens should fire every single coach, tbh... this playcalling set the team up to fail....

Both coaches are trying to avoid the killer turnover. Per par for the NFL playoffs, tbh.

[weebo]

catch

[jeebus]

didn't touch the ground. incomplete pass

[timvp]

Welp, I guess that makes up for the Welker drop.

[HI-FI]

didn't touch the ground. incomplete pass
your newest sig....I uh...I ain't gonna say anything:toast

[jeebus]

your newest sig....I uh...I ain't gonna say anything:toast

i've have it for a while, just been hiding under RG3. Nickelodeon ain't what it used to be.

[VBM]

Go for it

[Warlord23]

Fox is getting fired tbh

[timvp]

Manning audibles to the run. And then doesn't audible out of that run even though he would have had man coverage :lmao

[weebo]

Shit play calling. You have a HOF QB and you elect to run it??

[HI-FI]

special teams saving the day

[VBM]

Playaction right now...go deep

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lmao kaepernick

[VBM]

Such a stupid playcall

[Raven]

enough with the f runs!!!

[HarlemHeat37]

Words can't describe how much I hate John Fox..

As I've been saying since he was hired, his style of coaching is too vanilla in today's NFL..

However, Peyton is given responsibility to audible to whatever he's comfortable with, and he's constantly opting to stay with the run..disappointing, tbh..

[weebo]

Lemme guess another hand off coming up

[monosylab1k]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand Jim Caldwell :lol

[Warlord23]

Both these coaches' balloon knots have shrunk consierably

[Clipper Nation]

Everyone on the planet knows they're running on 1st down....

[jeebus]

:lmao

[timvp]

Any blaming of Fox for playcalling makes no sense when Peyton Manning is the quarterback. He can audible at any time.

[VBM]

What a fucking play...now keep airing out you dumb fucks

[lefty]

Daaaaamn

[monosylab1k]

:lmao white DB's

[timvp]

Flacco with the game of his life, tbh.

[jeebus]

run it!

[Clipper Nation]

This game is giving me Martyball flashbacks, tbh...

[HI-FI]

This game is giving me Martyball flashbacks, tbh...
no kidding. it's more conservative than the John birch society.

[timvp]

Hillman's going to fumble and lose the game, IMO.

[Warlord23]

Both coaches playing it safe and hoping the other team turns it over

[Clipper Nation]

Worst coached game I've seen in a while...

[VBM]

Lol at whoever paid for 1st quarter commercials in the SF/GB game

[VBM]

Holding and a pick...wow

[jeebus]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[HI-FI]

oh man

i hope this ain't it

[Floyd Pacquiao]

manning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lmao

[resistanze]

MVP!

[ace3g]

ouch

[Bill_Brasky]

What a retarded throw.

[lefty]

Peytinception

[Warlord23]

Both coaches playing it safe and hoping the other team turns it over

[Pelicans78]

Wow. How could Peyton do that? Smh.

[LakerHater]

That why Fox didn't trust !!!

[VBM]

Playaction...now

[timvp]

:lmao .... throwing across his body :lmao




That's why they run it, tbh.

[ace3g]

Tebow time...

[baseline bum]

LOL Peyton Romo

[chunticakes]

chokers goan choke tbh

[resistanze]

That's on the regular season sheriff.

[Clipper Nation]

Playoff Peyton :lmao

[Bill_Brasky]

:lmao :lmao :lmao Broncos

:lmao regular season champs

[timvp]

You have a noodle arm, you're on the run and you throw across your body to a midget receiver. GG :lol

[HI-FI]

Peyton is one of my favorites and I'm a ballwasher, but his playoff record is what it is. Not always his fault, but he won't be able to live it down with shit like that.

[jeebus]

it's as if I suddenly felt thousands of tv's switch to Fox...

[Nathan89]

Peyton blew it. Fuck it's sad day to be a Peyton fan.

Has even thrown a 20yrd pass today?

[VBM]

Justin Tucker the Longhorn GAWD getting warmed up

[LakerHater]

1st & 10, 3 TOs....Game Over!

[lefty]

Ruroh



Rookie time

[jeebus]

Just be glad it ain't this guy

http://www.baltimoresun.com/media/photo/2010-10/57029735.jpg

[HarlemHeat37]

100 million $ and you go as far as Tebow went:lol..

Terrible play calls all game, terrible officiating, terrible INT to lose..

Hopefully Baltimore somehow fucks up on the kick..

[Amarelooms]

Run it 3 times?? Pussy move
:elephant

[lefty]

Timvp :lmao

[Chinook]

!

[Warlord23]

:lol Broncos
:lol Fox
:lol Manning
:lol Champ Bailey
:lol 3 turnovers
:lol massive choke job

[jeebus]

:cry take a kneel. let's beat em in overtime!!! :cry

[HI-FI]

watch Ravens get massacred by Patriots and be like "hey we happy we made it here." damn I hope Ray lewis jams his Bionic Commando arm up brady's ass.

[Clipper Nation]

Peyt:loln ch:lolkes again :lmao

[LakerHater]

Fuck Ray Lewis!

[VBM]

Ray Lewis almost broke Peyton's neck there

[lefty]

Ray Lewis : " OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG "

[Chinook]

One of the best games I've ever seen.

[Amarelooms]

Ray lewis with stupid God comments....moron

:elephant

[Amarelooms]

Ray lewis with stupid God comments....moron

:elephant

[Amarelooms]

If TExans win then get homefield right? God bless sons

:elephant

[DeadlyDynasty]

One of the best games I've ever seen.

A-fuckin-men (no homo)

[Raven]

what a choke man... less PO wins than tebow :lmao

[VBM]

We've all been blessed by what we've just watched. Probably saw the best game we'll see in the playoffs

[Clipper Nation]

"Miss me yet, Denver?"
- Tim Teb:lolw

[DJ Mbenga]

Tebow won a ot game lol

[timvp]

Great game, tbh. Too bad Peyton is the goat since his comeback story was nice but he was choking long before that INT. That was just the icing on the cake.

Baltimore's probably done but :tu @ Ray Lewis sending them fruity Bronco Fans home crying.

[lefty]

this game looked good because both teams suck TBH

shit game TBH

[DeadlyDynasty]

Great game, tbh. Too bad Peyton is the goat since his comeback story was nice but he was choking long before that INT. That was just the icing on the cake.

Baltimore's probably done but :tu @ Ray Lewis sending them fruity Bronco Fans home crying.
Ray had a game high 17 tackles. Next highest total (from either team) was 10 by Suggs.

[Chinook]

I find myself amazed right now that Baltimore is hanging in there why not even having a sack. If they can get to Manning, I think this is their game.

But the Ravens are also doing a great job keeping Flacco clean. That's the biggest surprise so far.

Pretty much.

[DJ Mbenga]

Texas or the pats will rape the Ravens anyways

[timvp]

Ray had a game high 17 tackles. Next highest total (from either team) was 10 by Suggs.

Dats dat figga, tbh.

[lefty]

Dats dat figga, tbh.

you mistyped figga

[Bill_Brasky]

Started watching in the second half and was thinking I wanted Denver to win, but about halfway through the 4th I felt myself wanting Ravens. Great game, great finish, and props to Ray for pulling a D-Rob.

[VBM]

The sad thing is this basically guarantees another trip to the Super Bowl for NE

[DeadlyDynasty]

Texas or the pats will rape the Ravens anyways

I think either scenario will be competitive...Baltimore rarely gets slaughtered in the playoffs...the 20-3 loss to the Colts in 2009 is the only one I recall from recent memory

[Clipper Nation]

Pete Prisco ‏@PriscoCBS

Manning declined to be interviewed? I don't like that.

What a bitch :lmao

[HI-FI]

I think either scenario will be competitive...Baltimore rarely gets slaughtered in the playoffs...the 20-3 loss to the Colts in 2009 is the only one I recall from recent memory
who you rooting for now? i hope NE gets upset. if Niners can't win it all, then shit I don't know I want to win, but definitely not NE. I'd prefer a NFC team.

[Clipper Nation]

The sad thing is this basically guarantees another trip to the Super Bowl for NE
Actually a Denver win would have guaranteed it.... Ravens always play the Pats tough....

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm from Baltimore so I'm pulling for them.

[timvp]

Pete Prisco ‏@PriscoCBS

Manning declined to be interviewed? I don't like that. Fitting, tbh. He also declined to audible out of run plays 95% of the time.

[VBM]

Actually a Denver win would have guaranteed it.... Ravens always play the Pats tough....

At least Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff aren't on the team anymore

[lefty]

I'm from Baltimore so I'm pulling for them.

you cant


You are a Bills fan

[Clipper Nation]

who you rooting for now? i hope NE gets upset. if Niners can't win it all, then shit I don't know I want to win, but definitely not NE. I'd prefer a NFC team.
I want the Ravens or Seahawks to win it, but I'll settle for anyone other than the fucking Pats, tbh....

[lefty]

fucking bandwagonners

[Pelicans78]

I don't see the Pats losing now.

[dbreiden83080]

Peyton's post season record is what like 9-20?

[J.T.]

Peyton's post season record is what like 9-20?

9-11

[IronMexican]

Time to get fucked up tbh.

[VBM]

I love Deadspin

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18bbm90kx7errgif/original.gif

[benefactor]

:lol

[Chinook]

I don't get how people can see Baltimore really outplay (not on special teams, obviously) a team against whom they supposedly had "no chance," who slaughtered them in the regular season, and then say Baltimore has no chance to beat a team whom they did beat in the regular season and whom they whom they would've beaten last playoffs if not for a dropped pass.

I could totally see the Ravens losing next week, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see Brady have less success against that defense than Manning did.

It's all on Flacco.

[HI-FI]

I don't get how people can see Baltimore really outplay (not on special teams, obviously) a team against whom they supposedly had "no chance," who slaughtered them in the regular season, and then say Baltimore has no chance to beat a team whom they did beat in the regular season and whom they whom they would've beaten last playoffs if not for a dropped pass.

I could totally see the Ravens losing next week, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see Brady have less success against that defense than Manning did.

It's all on Flacco.

I absolutely hope Ravens beat the Patriots and Brady has a shittier game. if anything, they should be more pumped up about that game considering last year. I think there is a lot more bad blood between the two. whats funny is if Brady has a worse performance than Manning, yet Patriots win, it sort of proves my point about the narrative between the two. Hopefully Ravens win though.

[Chinook]

If the Ravens win it all this year, the big story's going to be the graceful descent of Ray Lewis and the rise of Joe Flacco. Joe took a huge step toward being an elite quarterback today, and if he can get the Ravens to the big dance, he'll finally silence the critics (and earn is $100 Million contract).

If both Flacco and the Defense play like they did today, I can't see the Patriots winning. I think the defense is here to stay. We'll see if 5 can outduel Brady again.

[Chinook]

I absolutely hope Ravens beat the Patriots and Brady has a shittier game. if anything, they should be more pumped up about that game considering last year. I think there is a lot more bad blood between the two. whats funny is if Brady has a worse performance than Manning, yet Patriots win, it sort of proves my point about the narrative between the two. Hopefully Ravens win though.

And I don't mean that I think Brady will throw more interceptions. I mean that he will probably throw fewer touchdowns, put up fewer scoring drives in general and get sacked more.

[LnGrrrR]

9-11

Never forget

[Pelicans78]

Never forget

:lol

[LakerHater]

http://uppix.net/6/c/b/63e03b78cb3c9d4bc3b79dabc7440.gif

[irishock]

lol Novak

[Chinook]

Worth bumping. Amazing how people can be so wrong in their predictions and then make the same prediction again.

Besides that, this thread was a great read. With as many twists and turns that this game had, it's fun to see it captured in posts.

[HarlemHeat37]

The only thing that worries me is that the Broncos may be due for a let down, tbh..

On paper, the Broncos shouldn't have problems..Baltimore's defense is inconsistent and shaky, Manning has never had problems figuring them out, even at their peak..defensively, Flacco will be pressured all game, unlike vs. Indy..




I'd be surprised if he doesn't cover Boldin, especially after today's game..

Champ doesn't usually cover speed guys like Smith for more than a handful of plays..

I called it decently, tbh..

Champ struggles against speedy guys at this point of his career, Denver was due for a let-down with all the hype, etc..

On paper, the Broncos should have killed them on paper..


And this thread should be a reminder to John Fox's vanilla ice cream, tbh..

[Chinook]

I called it decently, tbh..

Champ struggles against speedy guys at this point of his career, Denver was due for a let-down with all the hype, etc..

On paper, the Broncos should have killed them on paper..


And this thread should be a reminder to John Fox's vanilla ice cream, tbh..

Sure, but now that we have more evidence, the "on paper" evaluation of the players should be different. If Ryan Clady couldn't contain a one-armed Suggs with a bad leg, what is he going to do with a healthy Suggs? Denver is missing their center and perhaps one of their guards. And they're supposed to stop a healthy Ngata and Canty? How much better is an ailing Welker than Stokely last year? Without Champ, the Broncos should have a harder time containing Smith. The special teams probably have a better game plan for Holliday. Dumervil is an upgrade to Kruger, and Smith and Brown should be much better in coverage. Webb is back.

I understood why people thought Denver was better last season. But for the life of me, I don't understand why they believe so this season. I can see Denver winning (pretty easily even), but home-field advantage seems like a bigger factor than anything to me. On an even field, I don't see how people can pick the Broncos.

[Michael Jordan.]

Sure, but now that we have more evidence, the "on paper" evaluation of the players should be different. If Ryan Clady couldn't contain a one-armed Suggs with a bad leg, what is he going to do with a healthy Suggs? Denver is missing their center and perhaps one of their guards. And they're supposed to stop a healthy Ngata and Canty? How much better is an ailing Welker than Stokely last year? Without Champ, the Broncos should have a harder time containing Smith. The special teams probably have a better game plan for Holliday. Dumervil is an upgrade to Kruger, and Smith and Brown should be much better in coverage. Webb is back.

I understood why people thought Denver was better last season. But for the life of me, I don't understand why they believe so this season. I can see Denver winning (pretty easily even), but home-field advantage seems like a bigger factor than anything to me. On an even field, I don't see how people can pick the Broncos.
Manning's arm looks a bit weaker to me too.

[HarlemHeat37]

Sure, but now that we have more evidence, the "on paper" evaluation of the players should be different. If Ryan Clady couldn't contain a one-armed Suggs with a bad leg, what is he going to do with a healthy Suggs? Denver is missing their center and perhaps one of their guards. And they're supposed to stop a healthy Ngata and Canty? How much better is an ailing Welker than Stokely last year? Without Champ, the Broncos should have a harder time containing Smith. The special teams probably have a better game plan for Holliday. Dumervil is an upgrade to Kruger, and Smith and Brown should be much better in coverage. Webb is back.

I understood why people thought Denver was better last season. But for the life of me, I don't understand why they believe so this season. I can see Denver winning (pretty easily even), but home-field advantage seems like a bigger factor than anything to me. On an even field, I don't see how people can pick the Broncos.

I meant in last year's playoffs, as I said..

As I said in the other threads, as a Broncos fan, I'm not optimistic at the moment and I don't know what to expect, tbh..

I don't think Baltimore is going to repeat, but I think they're still the best team in the AFC North, and they have become underrated, while a team like Cinci is severely overrated IMO..the AFC is extremely weak, though, so it's wide open..

[Chinook]

I meant in last year's playoffs, as I said..

As I said in the other threads, as a Broncos fan, I'm not optimistic at the moment and I don't know what to expect, tbh..

I don't think Baltimore is going to repeat or come close, but I think they're still the best team in the AFC North, and they have become underrated, while a team like Cinci is severely overrated IMO..

I know you meant last year. I think your takes were solid given what we knew then. I'm talking about the other thread and the point spread in general that pretend like the Ravens weren't better on offense and defense during the playoffs. It's as if they think that a regular-season game in which the Ravens sat many of their best players is more informative than a playoff game with much higher stakes.

I expect the Ravens to do what they usually do, which is get to the playoffs and win at least one game. But unless Marlon Brown or Aaron Mellette becomes a bona fide starter, they don't have a very high ceiling. They're definitely a team in transition, even if they're not rebuilding.

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Manning's arm looks a bit weaker to me too.

It may be weaker. I expect him to fall off soon. Being old and having such a debilitating injury do not bode well for long-term success. Denver better hope the running game really shows up, because Manning isn't going to beat good teams if they don't have to worry about stopping the Broncos' backs.

That being said, Manning is going to be about as good as he'll be for the rest of his career tonight. If he and Welker have any chemistry, Manning's lack of arm strength may not matter.