Challenge

[Avante]

Who can show me an NFL QB who had a better rookie season than RW. Who threw for more TD's, won more playoff games. Had a higher QB ranking?

Was it...

Slingin' Sammy Baugh
Otto Graham
Sid Luckman
Norm Van Brocklin
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
Fran Tarkenton
Sonny Jurgenson
Len Dawson
Joe Namath
Terry Bradshaw
Roger Staubach
Joe Montana
Dan Marino
John Elway
Steve Young
Troy Aikman
Kenny Stabler
Warren Moon
Eli Manning
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning
Big Ben
Drew Brees
RGIII
Andrew Luck


Well?

Oh hell yes do all the GOOGLING ya need.

We saw RW have the greatest rookie season ever, prove me wrong. Remember....TD's/playoffs/QB ranking.

[vander]

wow, 6300 posts and still no slowin down, he's a machine

[Avante]

wow, 6300 posts and still no slowin down, he's a machine

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Nobody?

[weebo]

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Nobody?

Quit being a dumb ass...that's why people hate you so much around here.

[Avante]

Quit being a dumb ass...that's why people hate you so much around here.

You mean talking about the facts?

As long as ya deal in facts .......

[weebo]

You mean talking about the facts?

As long as ya deal in facts .......

No. The dumb shit you usually post.

[vander]

Avante now has more posts than any NFL QB has completions

that is a FACT

[Avante]

No. The dumb shit you usually post.

Stuff like comparing RW's rookie season to all those others? Dumb shit like that?

I think ya mean stop talking about those you've never heard of....right?

[Avante]

Avante now has more posts than any NFL QB has completions

that is a FACT

And it matters because.......?

[vander]

And it matters because.......?

you're getting warmer

[benefactor]

Why is it you always make another thread about the same thing after getting fucked in the ass for your horrible takes in the previous one?

[weebo]

Stuff like comparing RW's rookie season to all those others? Dumb shit like that?

I think ya mean stop talking about those you've never heard of....right?

I've heard of all those geezers and ghost...different times different league...just stop being such a dumb ass is all Im saying. I know its hard for you but just give your self a chance for people to kinda like you.

[Avante]

Why is it you always make another thread about the same thing after getting fucked in the ass for your horrible takes in the previous one?

Where was I talking about RW vs the all time greats?

Ya mean all those takes that tell it like it really is?

[Avante]

I've heard of all those geezers and ghost...different times different league...just stop being such a dumb ass is all Im saying. I know its hard for you but just give your self a chance for people to kinda like you.

Success is success regardless of when. No QB was more successful as a rookie.

Not at all concerned with being liked, couldn't care less....obviously.

[Avante]

So who can give me the name of a rookie QB who threw more TD's, more playoff success and a better QB rating score than RW?

I'm waiting.

[weebo]

Success is success regardless of when. No QB was more successful as a rookie.

Not at all concerned with being liked, couldn't care less....obviously.

Ya RW had a good campaign. He still needs to develop but that will come with time and experience. So you shouldn't get carried away because he had a good year for a rookie. He played well today. Let's see how he plays next week before you start handing out awards or some shit. Ok?

[Avante]

Ya RW had a good campaign. He still needs to develop but that will come with time and experience. So you shouldn't get carried away because he had a good year for a rookie. He played well today. Let's see how he plays next week before you start handing out awards or some shit. Ok?

Dude, where did I ask you what I need to be doing?

We saw a rookie season for the ages is what I'm saying here. Why do you think I mentoned all those others? When have we ever seen a ...ROOKIE...make it to the second round? Now add the fact the guy threw more TD's than any rookie QB in history except Peyton, but Peyton threw more INT's than he did TD's. Look at his gaudy QB rating.

Who did it better in his rookie season? I think that's a pretty legit question. Why not make a big deal out of something unique? When was the last time we saw a rookie do what RW has done?

It doesn't matter what he does next. He's already done enought for a rookie.

[weebo]

Dude, where did I ask you what I need to be doing?

We saw a rookie season for the ages is what I'm saying here. Why do you think I mentoned all those others? When have we ever seen a ...ROOKIE...make it to the second round? Now add the fact the guy threw more TD's than any rookie QB in history except Peyton, but Peyton threw more INT's than he did TD's. Look at his gaudy QB rating.

Who did it better in his rookie season? I think that's a prettuy legit question. Why not make a big deal out of something unique?

Because he might fall flat on his face next week...I don't maybe? What do you think??

[Avante]

Because he might fall flat on his face next week...I don't maybe? What do you think??

Seattle hasn't won back to back roads games since 2007.

Big road win now fly back to Seattle, then fly back to Georgia. While the Falcons are resting up taking it easy. Matt Ryan vs any "rookie" QB at home with the best set of starting receivers in the league.

If the Falcons come to play the Seahawks stand no chance in this "spot".

This next round has historically favored the home teams.

[weebo]

Seattle hasn't won back to back roads games since 2007.

Big road win now fly back to Seattle, then fly back to Georgia. While the Falcons are resting up taking it easy. Matt Ryan vs any "rookie" QB at home with the best set of starting receivers in the league.

If the Falcons come to play the Seahawks stand no chance in this "spot".

This next round has historically favored the home teams.


So RW's storybook season ends next week? Is that what you're saying? Please explain. Thanks.

[Avante]

So RW's storybook season ends next week? Is that what you're saying? Please explain. Thanks.

That's what I'm saying but would love to be wrong.

Of all the playoff teams the Seahawks are the worst on the road. I seriously doubt they can win again vs a quality team. The Falcons have great receivers, Ryan is a great QB. There is no logical reason to see a Seahawk win here.

Don't get my...RUSSELL WILSON YES!!!!!!....wrong. I was only comparing him to other rookies. He is no where close to an elite QB right now. Way below a Matt Ryan. Sure I'd love to see the guy lose to the Niners (my team) in the NFC title game. Really doubt he makes it that far.

I said before the season started that RW would be the best of the three, that's why ya see all this stuff, just having some fum with it.

[weebo]

That's what I'm saying but would love to be wrong.

Of all the playoff teams the Seahawks are the worst on the road. I seriously doubt they can win again vs a quality team. The Falcons have great receivers, Ryan is a great QB. There is no logical reason to see a Seahawk win here.

Don't get my...RUSSELL WILSON YES!!!!!!....wrong. I was only comparing him to other rookies. He is no where close to an elite QB right now. Way below a Matt Ryan. Sure I'd love to see the guy lose to the Niners (my team) in the NFC title game. Really doubt he makes it that far.

I'm still not sold on PO Matt Ryan. Don't you think the Hawks CB match up well with the Falcon's wide outs?

[Skyapples]

Sammy Baugh won the title in '37 with the Redskins his rookie year where he also led the league in passing and rushing while playing two other positions, along with setting a single playoff game record for rookies in passing yards :downspin:

[Avante]

I'm still not sold on PO Matt Ryan. Don't you think the Hawks CB match up well with the Falcon's wide outs?


First off don't forget that Redskin D gave up 388 points on the season, the Falcons...299. The Skins were 5-3 at home, the Falcons 7-1. Ryan threw for over 4700 yards.

As we can see a whole different deal next week. No longer is it which of these surprise teams with their rookie QB's can prevail. Now we see a big step up in class when it comes to the Falcons at home.

No I don't see Seattle shutting those receivers down. I expect to see a rookie QB look like one as the rested team moves on.

Once again would love to be wrong.

[Avante]

Sammy Baugh won the title in '37 with the Redskins his rookie year where he also led the league in passing and rushing while playing two other positions, along with setting a single playoff game record for rookies in passing yards :downspin:

I know that's why he's listed first.

The guy is still considered one of the greatest punters ever.

[Spursfan092120]

Hell...Cam Fucking Newton passed for more yards and had more overall TDs than Wilson. I'd say they were about even, and that was just a year ago.

[Avante]

Hell...Cam Fucking Newton passed for more yards and had more overall TDs than Wilson. I'd say they were about even, and that was just a year ago.

Newton had less TD's, more INT's, a lower comp % and QB rating and didn't win any playoff games.

When we talk about rookies, we aren't going to find one who did more in his rookie season. If we look at the stats/games won.
I'm thinking most here don't really realize what we are seeing here with RW. His numbers were great, now add a playoff win. What rookie did more?

Slingin' Sammy had 8 td's and 14 INT's. Completed less than 48% of his passes.

[Spursfan092120]

Newton had less TD's, more INT's, a lower comp 5 and QB rating and didn't win any playoff games.

When we talk about rookies, we aren't going to find one who did more in his rookie season. If we look at the stats/games won.
Are we counting all TD's? If that's the case, you need to check your numbers again. I include rushing TDs, since that is a part of the game. Games won...including playoff games is about the whole team, not just the QB. The 2000 Baltimore Ravens didn't win the Super Bowl because of Trent Dilfer. Not saying he was better...saying they're about even. Cam threw for over 4000 yards and had more overall TDs.

[Avante]

Are we counting all TD's? If that's the case, you need to check your numbers again. I include rushing TDs, since that is a part of the game. Games won...including playoff games is about the whole team, not just the QB. The 2000 Baltimore Ravens didn't win the Super Bowl because of Trent Dilfer. Not saying he was better...saying they're about even. Cam threw for over 4000 yards and had more overall TDs.

Let's break it down...

Newton more rushing TD's
Newton more yards passing
RW better comp %
RW threw for more tds
RW less INTs
RW had a higher QB rating
RW won a playoff game

Not really all that close.

My song n' dance is what rookie had a better over all season? Yes winning a playoff game is a biggie. As is tying a rookie record for passing TD's. Who accomplished more, who was more succesful as a rookie taking everything into consideration?

When it mattered most RGIII crashed and burned. Andrew Luck simply makes too many mistakes. Who stayed upright and didn't lose the game for his team with turnovers?

Check it out...


http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/statistics/player/passing/sort/passer_rating/2012

[Skyapples]

Bob Waterfield's rookie season in '45 had him lead the Rams to the title, was in the top 5 in a majority of passing categories, became the first rookie to win the MVP, and played other positions like defensive back were he was second in the league in picks with 6.

[Avante]

Bob Waterfield's rookie season in '45 had him lead the Rams to the title, was in the top 5 in a majority of passing categories, became the first rookie to win the MVP, and played other positions like defensive back were he was second in the league in picks with 6.

Yep, but old Bob threw more INT's than TD's and had a weak 72 as a QB rating.


Notice how we have to go wayyyyyyyyyyyyy back to find anyone close to what RW did?

Slingin' Sammy and Bob Waterfield both in the Hall of Fame.

Let's compare John Elways rookie season to RW's. Be back with the stats.

Nevermind, it's not even close, Big John had twice as many INT's as TD's, no need to go any further.



Anyone have a QB they want to compare with RW? How about Eli Manning? Be right back.

You gotta be kidding, a 55.4 QB rating...hahahaha!!!!!!!!

Hmmmmm...Joe Montana?

Hell Joe didn't start until his third year, then he threw for less TD's, more INT's, less comp % and a lower QB rating.


Come on people, damn~~~~~~ What rookie QB threw for more TD's/ had a higher QB rating/playoff success? Well?