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boutons_deux
01-08-2013, 02:15 PM
U.S. gun policy is set by both state and federal law. We previously published an explainer (http://www.propublica.org/article/seven-of-the-most-striking-ways-states-have-loosened-gun-laws) on the ways states have eased gun restrictions. But federal policy, too, has become more gun friendly in recent years — and we're not just talking about the 2008 Supreme
Court ruling that struck down (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/washington/27scotus.html?pagewanted=all) the handgun ban in Washington, D.C., and held that people have a right to keep guns in their homes.

Here, we outline five federal policies relating to guns you may not have known about:

1. A federal firearms trace database is off-limits to the public.

How often do federally licensed gun dealers sell guns that are then used in crimes? It's hard to know, because for nearly a decade such gun trace data has been hidden from the public. Even local law enforcement had been, until recently, barred from accessing the database for anything but narrow investigations.

Under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (http://smartgunlaws.org/key-federal-acts-regulating-guns/), licensed dealers are required to record certain information about a buyer and the gun's serial number at the point of sale. These records go into a database maintained (http://www.atf.gov/statistics/) by The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. A tool to catch criminals, the database in the early 2000s became a political flashpoint, as the Washington Post details (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/23/AR2010102302996_pf.html). Outside research tying seized guns to a small handful of dealers spurred the federal government to impose tougher sanctions and inspections on gun retailers and manufacturers.

But those sanctions sparked a backlash: Since 2003, the Tiahrt Amendments (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/tiahrt.shtml), so named after the former Kansas Republican congressman who introduced the measures, have concealed the database from the public. Prior to 2010, local police could access the database only to investigate an individual crime but not to look for signs of broader criminal activity.

Despite the relaxing (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/tiahrt_legislative_history.pdf) of some restrictions, parts of the original Tiahrt Amendment remain in place (http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/federal/tiahrt.shtml). The ATF can't require gun dealers to conduct an inventory to account for lost or stolen guns; records of customer background checks must be destroyed within 24 hours if they are clean enough to allow the sale; and trace data can't be used in state civil lawsuits or in an effort to suspend or revoke a gun dealer's license.

2. The military can't impose additional regulations on service members who own guns.

Following the November 2009 shooting (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/fort.hood.shootings/) at Fort Hood military base in Texas that killed 13 people and wounded more than two dozen others, the Department of Defense proposed guidelines that included, among other things, a new policy around private firearms. (The semiautomatic pistol used by accused gunman Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was purchased (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/21/nation/la-na-fort-hood-20101022) at a store off-base.)

Consideration of tighter gun regulations, such as the registering of non-military guns, sparked at least one new piece of federal legislation.

Less than a year after the shooting, U.S. Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., introduced a billprohibiting (http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/05/military_gunownership_inhofe_052410w/) new regulations on Defense Department personnel's private guns. It also prohibited commanders from inquiring into private gun ownership. At the time, Inhofestated (http://inhofe.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=b6ea0755-802a-23ad-47a4-2a293618ec1a) that the measure would "prevent current and potential Second Amendment violations for those serving and employed by the Department of Defense."

There has been a recent revision: In the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act recently passed by Congress, a new provision does allow military commanders to ask about private firearms (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/us/with-military-suicides-rising-new-policies-take-shape.html?pagewanted=all) if there is reason to believe a service member is at high risk of committing suicide.

"It codifies the ability of military commanders to have a conversation with someone they feel is suicidal. This is all about conversation, not confiscation," said John Madigan, senior director of public policy at The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, which pushed for the measure.

3. You can carry a gun inside a national park or check a gun when riding Amtrak.

In 2009, Congress passed a measure, tucked into a larger credit card reform bill, to allow visitors to national parks and wildlife refuges to carry a loaded firearm (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/t/new-law-allows-loaded-guns-national-parks/#.UNt6zW9X1io). (Previously, the guns had to be locked, unloaded and stowed away). Under the amendment, which took effect February 2010, visitors can carry firearms only in those parks located in states that permit concealed guns in their own state parks (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2008/0819/p03s07-usgn.html). Although the U.S. Department of the Interior had lifted (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2008/0819/p03s07-usgn.html) the 25-year ban the year before the law passed, a federal judge had blocked implementation after gun control groups objected.

Also in 2009, Congress voted to allow (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/16/senate-votes-to-ok-guns-on-amtrak/) customers riding Amtrak to check guns and ammunition in their luggage. (Though airlines have a similar policy, the federally subsidized national rail service barred guns in any luggage, checked or carry-on, after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.) In a statement (http://www.wicker.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=NewsRoom.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=e694a2d3-9307-a923-4a74-18ab13933006&IsTextOnly=False) shortly before the measure took effect (http://www.amtrak.com/firearms-in-checked-baggage), its sponsor, Republican Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi, said it would provide "hunters, sportsmen, and gun owners with more choices for traveling."

4. The gun industry is shielded from many lawsuits involving criminal misuse of guns.

In 2005, Congress enacted a law (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102000485.html) that immunizes gun dealers and manufacturers from liability for injuries resulting in the "criminal or unlawful misuse" of a firearm. The law authorized dismissal of any applicable pending lawsuits and prohibited future claims.
During floor debate, the bill's primary sponsor, former Idaho Republican Sen. Larry Craig, said (http://www.press.umich.edu/pdf/9780472032112-after.pdf) the measure wouldn't provide the gun industry with blanket immunity, just prohibit "one extremely narrow category of lawsuits: lawsuits that attempt to force the gun industry to pay for the crimes of third parties over whom they have no control."

Indeed, the 2005 law provides for certain exceptions (http://smartgunlaws.org/immunity-statutes-policy-summary/), including cases in which a gun dealer or manufacturer is aware the firearm will be used to a commit a crime and the suit is brought by the victim directly harmed. The law also allows suits based on a manufacturing or design defect, but not for lacking certain safety features (http://ideas.time.com/2012/12/24/why-is-congress-protecting-the-gun-industry/).

Under the law, it would be much harder to obtain a settlement of the kind that families of the victims in the Washington-area sniper shootings of 2002 received. In 2004, those families won a $2.5 million settlement (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8763-2004Sep9.html) from the manufacturer of the Bushmaster XM-15 assault rifle used in the shootings and from the licensed Tacoma, Wash., store from where the gun was stolen.

"The law has not stopped gun litigation, but it has created an obstacle for litigation," said Jonathan E. Lowy, director of the Legal Action Project at The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which filed the lawsuit, alleging that the defendants' negligence allowed the snipers to obtain the firearm. "Today, you would almost certainly face motions to dismiss by the dealer and manufacturer, and there is a significant number of judges who would dismiss the case," he said.

5. Congress has removed federal funding for firearms-related research.

Funding used to be set aside for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to research the impact of gun ownership — but that was taken away in the mid-90s.

The New York Times explains (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/26guns.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) that as the CDC became "increasingly assertive about the importance of studying gun-related injuries and deaths as a public health phenomenon," the National Rifle Association assailed its findings as politically skewed and lobbied to defund research.

One study (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506) commissioned by the CDC's National Center for Injury Prevention and Control found that the risks of keeping a gun in the home outweigh the benefits: "A gun kept in the home is far more likely to be involved in the death of a family member of the household than it is to be used to kill in self-defense," its authors wrote (http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506#t=articleDiscussion) in 1993.

In 1996, an amendment proposed by then-Arkansas Republican Congressman Jay Dickey removed $2.6 million from the center's budget, the same amount earmarked for firearms research. When funding to CDC was later restored, legislation included the directive that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control." Critics charge that language had a chilling effect (http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1487470) on CDC's support for gun-related research.

The CDC Injury Center today collects data generally on homicides, suicides and injuries in homes, schools and communities. But when it comes to firearms-specific research, "I never heard the money was replaced," said Dr. David Satcher, the former U.S. Surgeon General who served as CDC's director from 1993 to 1998 and now leads The Satcher Health Leadership Institute at Morehouse School of Medicine.

"I don't think this (1993) study was saying the government should take guns away from people. I think it was saying people should know what happens when you have a gun," Satcher told ProPublica. "A major benefit of that kind of research is, it keeps informing and updating people: What do we know about gun violence? What do we know about the benefits of owning a gun? I think those are the kinds of questions we need to ask in public health."

http://www.propublica.org/article/five-federal-policies-on-guns-you-never-heard-of

boutons_deux
01-08-2013, 02:19 PM
So you can buy a gun and nobody can find/track you nor the gun.

but if you dare exercise your CONSTITIONAL right to free speech and assembly to DISSENT against the plutocracy, you will probably end up on a terrorist watch list in an Orwellian FUSION database, for years

How Our Government Is Trying to Scare Us into Submitting to Corporate Dominance (http://feeds.feedblitz.com/~/37069964/0/alternet~How-Our-Government-Is-Trying-to-Scare-Us-into-Submitting-to-Corporate-Dominance)

She is a homeowner, a taxpayer and a safe driver. She votes in every election. She attends a Unitarian Universalist church on Sundays. She is also, like nearly all who have a relationship with the Occupy movement in the United States, being monitored by the federal government.

she was startled to see a redaction that could only be referring to her. McLeish’s story is the story of hundreds of thousands of people—perhaps more—whose lives are being invaded by the state. It is the story of a security and surveillance apparatus—overseen by the executive branch under Barack Obama—that has empowered the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security to silence the voices and obstruct the activity of citizens who question corporate power.

“This production [of information], which we believe is just the tip of the iceberg, is a window into the nationwide scope of the FBI’s surveillance, monitoring, and reporting on peaceful protesters organizing with the Occupy movement. These documents show that the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security are treating protests against the corporate and banking structure of America as potential criminal and terrorist activity. These documents also show these federal agencies functioning as a de facto intelligence arm of Wall Street and Corporate America.”

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-our-government-trying-scare-us-submitting-corporate-dominance

BUT

When the corporate-financed group FreedomWorks (http://www.freedomworks.org/) bused in goons to disrupt Democratic candidates’ town hall meetings about the federal health care legislation in August 2009, Eric Zuesse of the Business Insider notes, “there was no FBI surveillance of those corporate-organized disruptions of legitimate democratic processes. There also were no subsequent FreedomWorks applications for Freedom of Information Act releases of FBI files regarding such surveillance being used against them—because there was no such FBI campaign against them.”

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-our-government-trying-scare-us-submitting-corporate-dominance

DMC
01-08-2013, 08:59 PM
Jesus it's a wonder we aren't all dead by now.

You can check a gun at the airport as well. CHL holders are the most trustworthy group of people in this country. They are vetted, often more so than police officers.

boutons_deux
01-09-2013, 05:24 AM
Gun Control Advocates Say ATF's Hands Have Been Tied

After the school shooting in Newtown, Conn., President Obama asked Vice President Biden to lead a group tasked with drafting policies to reduce gun violence. One of the issues sure to come up in the Biden group's discussions is the role of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The ATF is the primary enforcer of the nation's gun laws, but advocates and former ATF officials say the agency has been underfunded, understaffed and handcuffed in its abilities to go after gun crimes.

In an ad campaign launched Tuesday by the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns, Roxanna Green, whose child was killed two years ago, appeals directly to the camera: "My 9-year-old daughter was murdered in the Tucson shooting. I have one question for our political leaders: When will you find the courage to stand up to the gun lobby?"

Standing up to the gun lobby is seen by gun control advocates to mean not only banning assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines, but restoring some teeth to the ATF.

"The restrictions on ATF are absurd," says Jon Lowy of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. "They're not allowed to use computers in doing their trace work. They're not allowed to do more than one spot inspection on a gun dealer."

When looking at the problems facing the ATF, it's instructive to start at the top. The current acting director of the Washington agency is B. Todd Jones, who is juggling the ATF post with his other job, that of U.S. attorney in Minneapolis.

There hasn't been a permanent ATF director for six years, since back in the Bush administration.

Michael Bouchard, a former ATF assistant director, says that lack of leadership has handicapped the agency.

"You need somebody there who has ownership and is going to be there for the long haul and can start projecting a couple years out, versus people who are just brought in for a temporary fix," Bouchard says.

Obama has nominated a permanent director, but there hasn't even been a hearing on the nomination because of opposition from the gun lobby.

There are other administrative issues: Funding has been relatively flat, and the agency has roughly the same number of agents today as it did a decade ago.

Then there are the issues ATF agents face with gun laws. Congress refuses to allow a centralized gun database, so tracing a weapon used in a crime means a lot of legwork, says former ATF agent William Vizzard.

"They have to contact the manufacturer or importer, who tells them, 'Oh, on July 14, 2009, we shipped that gun to Buckeye Sporting Goods, a wholesaler.' Then you contact Buckeye Sporting Goods, and they say, 'Oh, yeah, we received that gun four days later and we shipped it out to Billy Bob's Bait and Tackle Shop.' Then you go to Billy Bob and you say, 'OK, what do your records say?' "

Another frustration, says Bouchard, is the lack of gun-trafficking statutes to charge those suspected of supplying guns to criminals.

"It's very frustrating when you see people that you know are criminals and buying guns for the criminal element, and you don't have ... a statute to prosecute them under," he says. "You have to be creative and try to make other statutes fit."

Advocates also say the ATF should be allowed to inspect firearms dealers more than once a year, and that dealers should be required to keep track of their inventory.

The Brady Center's Lowy says that more than 100,000 guns are missing from dealers' shelves.

"There's a great likelihood that most of those guns were sold off the books to criminals," he says. "Easy way to fix that is to simply require dealers to do an inventory every year of their stock. ATF is prevented from even requiring dealers to do that. That makes absolutely no sense."

Gun rights advocates say they are defending law-abiding dealers from overzealous government agents.

Former ATF officials have written Biden with suggestions to correct what they see as the agency's problems. Lowy and other gun control advocates will be meeting with the vice president Wednesday to make their case for changes at the ATF.

http://m.npr.org/news/front/168889491 (http://m.npr.org/news/front/168889491)

boutons_deux
01-09-2013, 09:32 AM
About 200 guns were collected at a gun buyback program that sparked controversy in the Tucson community on the second anniversary of the Jan. 8th shooting.

However, Tucson’s gun buyback was surrounded by controversy because of the possibility that the firearms collected would be destroyed by the TPD. In addition to those opposing the buyback, some attendees offered cash for unwanted guns. There were signs being held that said “Gas money for guns,” and “Real cash for guns.”

“If the city destroys the guns, they’ll be in violation of the Arizona Revised Statutes,” said Todd Rathner, an Arizona lobbyist and member of the National Rifle Association’s national board of directors. “I think they’re not going to get anything valuable done. They’re only going to get junk.”

Rathner was referring to Title 12 Section 945 of the Arizona Revised Statutes, which states “…if the property is a firearm, the court shall order the firearm to be sold to any business that is authorized to receive and dispose of the firearm under federal and state law and that shall sell the firearm to the public according to federal and state law, unless the firearm is otherwise prohibited from being sold under federal and state law.”

Rathner said the statute makes it clear that the guns must be sold to a federal firearms dealer. He also added that the NRA did not oppose the buyback, but was focused on fighting against the destruction of the guns.

“We’ve gone through our city attorney and reviewed the Arizona law,” said Sgt. Chris Widmer, a TPD spokesman. “Basically, for this buyback, we do not fall under that statute.”

http://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/2013/01/kozachik-organizes-gun-buyback-in-tucson-in-lieu-of-recent-shootings

fucking perverted gun nuts and gun mfr shills

2nd Amendment? :lol GFY

DMC
01-09-2013, 07:06 PM
The problem is more related to the justice system, not punishing offenders properly, letting people walk because of liberal policies in the city councils, ergo a "criminal" probably doesn't have a felony so he's legally allowed to purchase a firearm. If you see someone you "know is a criminal" you have to ask yourself, as a LEO or a legislator, how do I know this? Why is this the case? What did I do wrong? LEO's arrest people for illegal possession but they get slapped on the wrist and released.

Your toothless judicial system is just the soft landing your placebo laws deserve.

boutons_deux
01-09-2013, 07:56 PM
The problem is more related to the justice system, not punishing offenders properly, letting people walk because of liberal policies in the city councils, ergo a "criminal" probably doesn't have a felony so he's legally allowed to purchase a firearm. If you see someone you "know is a criminal" you have to ask yourself, as a LEO or a legislator, how do I know this? Why is this the case? What did I do wrong? LEO's arrest people for illegal possession but they get slapped on the wrist and released.

Your toothless judicial system is just the soft landing your placebo laws deserve.

you're so fucked up. the NRA and gun industry are perfectly innocent, right?

300M guns for the 2nd Amendment? :lol

DMC
01-09-2013, 08:00 PM
you're so fucked up. the NRA and gun industry are perfectly innocent, right?

300M guns for the 2nd Amendment? :lol
300M people who are protected by it.

Wild Cobra
01-10-2013, 03:31 AM
Too many Gun related thread. I guesss this one will suffice.

I am really pissed that libtards keep crying about what the media tells them too.

Guns... My fucking God. Why? People are far more responsible with guns than they are with automobiles. I did a quick search for 2012 gun deaths and auto deaths. The years are not comparable, but just the same, the statistics are miles apart.

2009 auto deaths, 359/100,000.

2012 gun deaths, 10.2/100,000.

There are more than 35 times the death rate by automobile in the USA than by guns.

My God...

When the media talks about gas prices, that's the libtard gripe. Never complaining about food or property when these exceed gas price increases. Just a bunch of lemmings.