AFC Championship: Ravens@Patriots

[Chinook]

Will Lewis make it passed another nemesis on his way to a career-capping Superbowl birth, or will Brady's legend grow a bit more?

Next week has the answers, but I decided to get the topic started now. Gronk's injury is fresh news, and it could be a game-changer.

Who you got (although I imagine most will say Patriots)?

[DeadlyDynasty]

I like Baltimore to pull the upset, 30-27

[Lincoln]

Ravens

[Clipper Nation]

Ravens look like a team of destiny right now.... 27-23, Ravens win...

[FYM]

Pats but going to be a tough game

[irishock]

NE 27-24

[lefty]

Ravens can win the game TBH

[Ghazi]

Pats win, Ravens cover. 28-24

[rayray2k8]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-3D050vPUE
Sundays game has so much on the line that its not even funny..

[rayray2k8]

Goddamn. Ray Lewis could give a speech to kittens and turn them into lions. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol it's a funny world we live in where everybody loves a piece of shit, religion-preaching murderer, but most of them hate Tom Brady because of his hair cut and the fact that he promotes Uggs:lol..

:(but he screams a lot and says shit that doesn't make any sense, but he does it in the name of the Lord, tbh:(..

[Ghazi]

can't stand lewis tbh... only rooting for the Ravens because it would be an easier opponent for the Niners.

[Fpoonsie]

:lol it's a funny world we live in where everybody loves a piece of shit, religion-preaching murderer, but most of them hate Tom Brady because of his hair cut and the fact that he promotes Uggs:lol..

:(but he screams a lot and says shit that doesn't make any sense, but he does it in the name of the Lord, tbh:(..

ROFL. Holy shit. I actually agree w/ faggot ass Harlem for once.

[gambit1990]

sucks gronk is gonna be out... we could really use him when we play the 9ers.

[Ghazi]

people don't like Tom Brady cause him and Giselle are egomaniac narcissists

[BUMP]

:lol it's a funny world we live in where everybody loves a piece of shit, religion-preaching murderer, but most of them hate Tom Brady because of his hair cut and the fact that he promotes Uggs:lol..

:(but he screams a lot and says shit that doesn't make any sense, but he does it in the name of the Lord, tbh:(..

We're a sad society in general. Just the fact that we're so fascinated by random black men bumping into each other with tights on when none of them give two shits about any of us.

[Ghazi]

We're a sad society in general. Just the fact that we're so fascinated by random black men bumping into each other with tights on when none of them give two shits about any of us.

Not so fast big BUMP! Sports have been a form of entertainment for thousands of years.

[Chinook]

:lol it's a funny world we live in where everybody loves a piece of shit, religion-preaching murderer, but most of them hate Tom Brady because of his hair cut and the fact that he promotes Uggs:lol..

:(but he screams a lot and says shit that doesn't make any sense, but he does it in the name of the Lord, tbh:(..

No sadder than living in a society where people are constantly accused of things they didn't do.

You can't deny that Ray has the respect of many players in the NFL. It's amazing how far-reaching his connections go. I don't think Brady gets that same amount of adoration from his peers. People love Ray because of the way he plays on the field, not because of how many times he mentions God. They "hate" Tom Brady for the same reason. Ray is the embodiment of the NFL that most of us grew up watching: hard hits, physically imposing your will on others, player fraternity. Brady is the embodiment of the new NFL: explosive passing at the expense of defense and the running game, disproportional protection for quarterbacks, questionable calls. Maybe it's not really fair to pin all of this change on Brady (he's not the one changing rules or letting Spygate go with just a slap on the wrist), but he has been the person who's most benefited from the new league.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol it's a funny world we live in where everybody loves a piece of shit, religion-preaching murderer, but most of them hate Tom Brady because of his hair cut and the fact that he promotes Uggs:lol..

:(but he screams a lot and says shit that doesn't make any sense, but he does it in the name of the Lord, tbh:(..

:lmao

[Clipper Nation]

:lol it's a funny world we live in where everybody loves a piece of shit, religion-preaching murderer, but most of them hate Tom Brady because of his hair cut and the fact that he promotes Uggs:lol..

:(but he screams a lot and says shit that doesn't make any sense, but he does it in the name of the Lord, tbh:(..
Tbh, since Donte Stallworth is on the Pats, we're all rooting for a murderer either way :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No sadder than living in a society where people are constantly accused of things they didn't do.

You can't deny that Ray has the respect of many players in the NFL. It's amazing how far-reaching his connections go. I don't think Brady gets that same amount of adoration from his peers. People love Ray because of the way he plays on the field, not because of how many times he mentions God. They "hate" Tom Brady for the same reason. Ray is the embodiment of the NFL that most of us grew up watching: hard hits, physically imposing your will on others, player fraternity. Brady is the embodiment of the new NFL: explosive passing at the expense of defense and the running game, disproportional protection for quarterbacks, questionable calls. Maybe it's not really fair to pin all of this change on Brady (he's not the one changing rules or letting Spygate go with just a slap on the wrist), but he has been the person who's most benefited from the new league.
The person who campaigned for the new rules was Bill Polian because he was frustrated about getting repeatedly raped by Tom Brady's team, so this makes no sense at all.

[D12]

:lol it's a funny world we live in where everybody loves a piece of shit, religion-preaching murderer, but most of them hate Tom Brady because of his hair cut and the fact that he promotes Uggs:lol..

:(but he screams a lot and says shit that doesn't make any sense, but he does it in the name of the Lord, tbh:(..
:lol Harlemfag still bitter from the loss the other day
:lol Peyton mannichoke

[LnGrrrR]

Not quite sure how losing a first round pick is a "slap on the wrist".

[Avante]

The Pats are far better this season than they were last season thanks to their running game. While the Ravens were close last year they won't be this year. Pats win and cover.

[Clipper Nation]

Not quite sure how losing a first round pick is a "slap on the wrist".
It seemed like a harsh punishment until Goodell went mad with power in response to Bountygate, tbh....

There was merely TALK of coaches possibly being suspended or banned for Spygate, Goodell actually did it with the Saints and suspended players too....

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Peyton mannichoke
Trying too hard, tbh...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It seemed like a harsh punishment until Goodell went mad with power in response to Bountygate, tbh....

There was merely TALK of coaches possibly being suspended or banned for Spygate, Goodell actually did it with the Saints and suspended players too....

That only happened as part of Goodell's sanctimonious concern over player safety so he could use it as ammo during the inevitable lawsuit.

[Chinook]

The person who campaigned for the new rules was Bill Polian because he was frustrated about getting repeatedly raped by Tom Brady's team, so this makes no sense at all.

I'm sure that's what Pats fans think. Just like they think Spygate had nothing to do with their last three Superbowl wins and that Brady really does deserve every call he gets. But that's incidental. I'm not questioning the actual truth of all those claims, because we're talking about perceptions here. What's true is that most people don't agree with those assessments. So it's easy for people to root against them. Even if some of those things are because of other teams, it doesn't matter, because the Patriots benefit most from it. (You don't see Peyton raising his arms every time he gets hit like Brady used to.)

I, myself, do think the Patriots get an disproportional amount of good fortune, but I don't think that there's anything corrupt going on. I'll never forgive them (or Rex Ryan especially) for their win against Baltimore in 2007, but Atlanta has replaced them as the team I detest the most. I think Brady deserves his props, but I find it appropriate that Lewis has to go through him if he wants to retire a champion.

[JoeTait75]

:lol it's a funny world we live in where everybody loves a piece of shit, religion-preaching murderer, but most of them hate Tom Brady because of his hair cut and the fact that he promotes Uggs:lol..

:(but he screams a lot and says shit that doesn't make any sense, but he does it in the name of the Lord, tbh:(..

Harlem droppin' truth bombs, tbh.

[Chinook]

Not quite sure how losing a first round pick is a "slap on the wrist".

To me, Spygate was so much worse than Bountygate. You caught a coach essentially cheating, and all you do is take away what was pretty much a second-rounder and give them a fine? Belichek (and Mangini and everyone else who knew about it) should've been suspended.

The Pats missed out on the chance to draft Kenny Phillips; the Saints had their season ruined.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm sure that's what Pats fans think.

No, it's not what we think, it's what actually happened. Bill Polian campaigned for rule changes because he was sick and tired of seeing Marvin Harrison get destroyed by physical coverage from Ty Law.

Also, the fact you're butthurt about their win over Baltimore in a year Baltimore would have missed the playoffs either way is pretty funny.

[Chinook]

No, it's not what we think, it's what actually happened. Bill Polian campaigned for rule changes because he was sick and tired of seeing Marvin Harrison get destroyed by physical coverage from Ty Law.

Also, the fact you're butthurt about their win over Baltimore in a year Baltimore would have missed the playoffs either way is pretty funny.

It's not that the Pats won; it's how they won: those crappy officials that let Ryan call a timeout, even though he wasn't allowed to do so. It was like playing Madden with someone and reaching over to their controller and pressing the timeout button when they're trying to run out the clock.

I'll say this though: That was the loss that changed that series into the rivalry (if you can call it that) it is today. Suggs threw a tantrum over the PI call that gave the Pats a chance at the winning score. At the time it seemed childish (and it was), but Suggs has really upped his game since that day. That 2010 playoff game showed that. That game, along with Harbaugh and Flacco, is the driving force behind the recent playoff runs.

And I don't mean the coverage rules, as it seems like the league has adjusted to that all right and defenders are able to be aggressive again. I mean roughing calls and stuff like that. You can't say that the expansion of the roughing calls to hits below the knees isn't the result of Brady's injury. (Speaking of which, is that still a rule? I could've sworn I've seen QBs get hit below the knees several time this season.)

[LnGrrrR]

To me, Spygate was so much worse than Bountygate. You caught a coach essentially cheating, and all you do is take away what was pretty much a second-rounder and give them a fine? Belichek (and Mangini and everyone else who knew about it) should've been suspended.

The Pats missed out on the chance to draft Kenny Phillips; the Saints had their season ruined.

Essentially cheating :lol

Even though if he had paid someone to videotape from the stands, it would've been perfectly legal.

[LnGrrrR]

:cry :cry "Obviously the Pats were winning only due to Spygate; look at how they blew out their opponents in 2001, 2003 and 2004, and look how they got blown out after the Spygate scandal came out!" :cry :cry

[monosylab1k]

:lol funny how righteous people get over Spygate, even though there is only evidence of the Patriots taping signals in one game. There was never any conclusive evidence they cheated in any other games, and of course the Rams walkthrough video turned out to be a complete lie by Matt Walsh. Even so, nobody looks at the facts and just assumes the Patriots have cheated every game of the Belichick era.

Meanwhile the Bountygate scandal turns out to have alot of the same inconclusive evidence, hearsay, and blatant lies, but this time around everybody defends the Saints.

[monosylab1k]

:cry :cry "Obviously the Pats were winning only due to Spygate; look at how they blew out their opponents in 2001, 2003 and 2004, and look how they got blown out after the Spygate scandal came out!" :cry :cry

No SB wins since Spygate! Clearly they cheated, now they play fair and can't win a title! The fact that they were one fluke catch from a title, and one fluke drop from another one, is irrelevant! Welker only catches that pass if the Patriots are taping signals!!!!!!

[Chinook]

LnGrrrR and monosylab1k I don't want to come off as antagonistic to Pats fans. I don't think they cheated. But that perception is out there, and that's why so many people root against them. There are things that Belichick does that turn people off. The way Brady calls for flags turns people off. These are football things; they're not decade-old rumors that get recycled as truth baselessly. It's obvious why Brady is not a celebrated as Lewis when you're not looking at Wikipedia to remember things that happened forever ago.

[Chinook]

No SB wins since Spygate! Clearly they cheated, now they play fair and can't win a title! The fact that they were one fluke catch from a title, and one fluke drop from another one, is irrelevant! Welker only catches that pass if the Patriots are taping signals!!!!!!

And a dropped pass and missed kick from not even being in the Superbowl. :depressed

[LnGrrrR]

And a dropped pass and missed kick from not even being in the Superbowl. :depressed


Thanks for proving our point. :D

[Clipper Nation]

:lol funny how righteous people get over Spygate, even though there is only evidence of the Patriots taping signals in one game.
Wrong, Matt Walsh sent tapes from eight games from 2000-2002 to the league office....


There was never any conclusive evidence they cheated in any other games, and of course the Rams walkthrough video turned out to be a complete lie by Matt Walsh.
IIRC, that was more of a fabrication than a complete lie.... it eventually came out that he had set up all the equipment to tape the walkthrough, but the camera's battery ran out before he could record anything....

[monosylab1k]

Wrong, Matt Walsh sent tapes from eight games from 2000-2002 to the league office....


IIRC, that was more of a fabrication than a complete lie.... it eventually came out that he had set up all the equipment to tape the walkthrough, but the camera's battery ran out before he could record anything....

Matt Walsh's credibility is already destroyed, anything he claimed is utter bullshit.

And having tapes means nothing. It wasn't illegal to possess tapes. It was illegal to put someone on the sidelines in games taping signals. As I already said, there is only evidence the Patriots cheated in one game, the 2007 season opener against the Jets. Everything else is inconclusive and unconfirmed by anyone.

Funny how everyone was up in arms over Vilma being suspended over inconclusive and fabricated evidence, but are quick to use that same sort of inconclusive evidence to condemn the Patriots in games other than the only one they were actually caught cheating in.

[lefty]

To me, Spygate was so much worse than Bountygate. You caught a coach essentially cheating, and all you do is take away what was pretty much a second-rounder and give them a fine? Belichek (and Mangini and everyone else who knew about it) should've been suspended.

The Pats missed out on the chance to draft Kenny Phillips; the Saints had their season ruined.

Yeah its a well known fact that spying injures players

[Chinook]

Yeah its a well known fact that spying injures players

It's not worse in a complete sense. Bountygate was illegal in the real world (and it's certainly a lot more vile) but it was a gray area in football. That's why it was hard for Goodell to punish players for what happened.

Spygate is only about the game, and so a proper punishment should have been a lot easier to institute. Even though Pats fans point out that there wasn't really concrete evidence that the Patriots cheated consistently or that the filming even made a difference in games, it's pretty standard stuff that those who break the rules aren't allowed to play.

It's like looking over someone's shoulder while testing and only having to play 20 bucks if you get caught. Sure, the answers may not have helped you, and you may have only done it once, but in real world you'd get an F on that test. That's why I though suspensions were obviously warranted in Spygate. I thought expulsions were warranted in Bountygate for the coaches and that the players should have really been blacklisted by their peers, provided in both cases that the league went through due process and showed substantial evidence, which was not really in case in either situation.

[Pelicans78]

I didn't think much of Spygate.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So back to the game...

IMO, Talib should be covering Boldin as he should be able to do it without help. McCourty should be helping over the top on Torrey Smith since no one in the secondary is capable of keeping up with him without help. The defense has gotten a lot better since the game against Baltimore this year and we should see it.

On offense, hopefully they're able to run the ball better against Baltimore than last time. Danny Woodhead getting injured early against Houston was huge since it made sure McDaniels wouldn't be wasting any downs on Woodhead draw plays and also it led to additional snaps for Vereen, and you'd like to think McDaniels learned his lesson not to give Woodhead 15 carries this time.

If Brady plays well, New England wins. If he plays like he did in the last AFCCG, Baltimore wins. It's that simple. Baltimore isn't gonna give another bad Brady performance away, but Brady probably won't have another AFCCG where he's attempting deep balls to Matthew Slater.

I say New England 31 Baltimore 24.

[Monostradamus]

If Brady is sharp, I don't see why this game can't go much the same as last week's game vs. Houston. Texans have a better defense than Baltimore, and a better running game. Flacco has proven himself more than Schaub, but over the course of the season he wasn't any better. Baltimore won't just bend over and take an asspounding the way the Texans eventually folded, but the game should never really be in doubt if NE plays their A game. Then again, it's the NFL and flukey shit happens. If everything goes the way it should (which it probably won't) then Pats 34 Ravens 21.

[Monostradamus]

It's not worse in a complete sense. Bountygate was illegal in the real world (and it's certainly a lot more vile) but it was a gray area in football. That's why it was hard for Goodell to punish players for what happened.

Spygate is only about the game, and so a proper punishment should have been a lot easier to institute. Even though Pats fans point out that there wasn't really concrete evidence that the Patriots cheated consistently or that the filming even made a difference in games, it's pretty standard stuff that those who break the rules aren't allowed to play.

It's like looking over someone's shoulder while testing and only having to play 20 bucks if you get caught. Sure, the answers may not have helped you, and you may have only done it once, but in real world you'd get an F on that test. That's why I though suspensions were obviously warranted in Spygate. I thought expulsions were warranted in Bountygate for the coaches and that the players should have really been blacklisted by their peers, provided in both cases that the league went through due process and showed substantial evidence, which was not really in case in either situation.

First off, the vast majority of broken rules in the NFL results in fines, not suspensions. Very rarely is a suspension the standard punishment. Think of how many times James Harrison had to brazenly and openly headhunt guys before he finally got suspended instead of just fined. Second, who the hell are you suspending? If you suspend Belichick I kinda get it, although again, according to standard practice in the NFL, a record breaking fine and loss of a 1st round pick is still a pretty steep penalty for being caught cheating in one game. If you wanted to suspend him for a game then I'm fine with that, have them vacate that week 1 win and make them forever be 17-2 then great, but don't act like the punishment they got for confirmed cheating in ONE game was some slap on the wrist.

[Chinook]

So back to the game...

IMO, Talib should be covering Boldin as he should be able to do it without help. McCourty should be helping over the top on Torrey Smith since no one in the secondary is capable of keeping up with him without help. The defense has gotten a lot better since the game against Baltimore this year and we should see it.

On offense, hopefully they're able to run the ball better against Baltimore than last time. Danny Woodhead getting injured early against Houston was huge since it made sure McDaniels wouldn't be wasting any downs on Woodhead draw plays and also it led to additional snaps for Vereen, and you'd like to think McDaniels learned his lesson not to give Woodhead 15 carries this time.

If Brady plays well, New England wins. If he plays like he did in the last AFCCG, Baltimore wins. It's that simple. Baltimore isn't gonna give another bad Brady performance away, but Brady probably won't have another AFCCG where he's attempting deep balls to Matthew Slater.

I say New England 31 Baltimore 24.

Boldin is incredibly inconsistent, but if he's playing well (which is usually the case is big games), Talib's going to struggle. I used to watch him when he was with Tampa (the Bucs are #2 for me), and he wasn't very good a shutting down slot receivers. It's going to be interesting to see how physical the officials let the game be. Talib was at his best with the Bucs when he could be aggressive playing the ball due to having safety help. I haven't seen him since he was traded, so maybe he's better at that stuff now.

I think the Ravens will run a lot of 3/1/1 or 3/2/0 (I mean WR/RB/TE just in case I have that standard order messed up) in order to get Jones in the game. It would be interesting to see how the Patriots deal with two 9-routes at the same time. Is Arrington still the nickel? If so, it'll be interesting to see him on Boldin, Jones and/or Pitta/Dickson. The linebackers will be spotlighted as well.

To me, the matchup of the game as far as the Ravens' offense goes is going to be Osemele and Birk vs Wilfork. Last time these teams played, Ramon Harewood was the starting left guard. He wasn't horrible, but he and Birk weren't really strong enough to stop Wilfork. With a stronger Osemele there, I imagine the Ravens are going to try to run up the middle more than Houston did. If they succeed in getting Leach to the second level (and thus Rice getting good gains up the gut), I don't see how the Patriots can counter.

The interior pass coverage is going to be really important for the Ravens' defense. Stopping Welker, Vareen and Hernandez will be critical to giving Suggs and Kruger enough time to get to Brady. How Lewis does will be critical. Also interesting will be Graham vs Welker. Ellerbe is playing his best ball, too, and him on Vareen will be big.

I honestly think the Ravens will win this game. Their defense is playing better now than they have all year. Suggs looks poised to have a big game, and Kruger is finally able to capitalize on one-on-one matchups. The Ravens' offense is really clicking right now, and I think Flacco will make the plays he needs to again. We'll see if it's close, but I think that whoever wins will show themselves to be superior early. I don't think it will be a game of swings like the Denver games were. I'll say Ravens 28, New England 20.

[Chinook]

I'm going to try to create a ledger of additions and subtractions for the Ravens since they played the Patriots. If a Pats fan wants to make one for their team, we might be able to get a better idea of what's changed:

Improved:
Pass Protection
Offensive Play-Calling
Return Game
Pass Rush
Run Defense

Weakened:
Tight-End Play (Dickson has fallen off, but is trying to come back)
Apparently Kick Coverage
Cornerback Play (although not by much)
Lineback Depth
Interior Line Play (It's better now than it's been recently, but Ngata is less healthy than he was in Week 3)

[Chinook]

First off, the vast majority of broken rules in the NFL results in fines, not suspensions. Very rarely is a suspension the standard punishment. Think of how many times James Harrison had to brazenly and openly headhunt guys before he finally got suspended instead of just fined. Second, who the hell are you suspending? If you suspend Belichick I kinda get it, although again, according to standard practice in the NFL, a record breaking fine and loss of a 1st round pick is still a pretty steep penalty for being caught cheating in one game. If you wanted to suspend him for a game then I'm fine with that, have them vacate that week 1 win and make them forever be 17-2 then great, but don't act like the punishment they got for confirmed cheating in ONE game was some slap on the wrist.

Illegal hits aren't cheating in the same sense as filming practices, especially when the hits weren't illegal just a few years ago. I'm not saying Harrison isn't a piece of crap for saying that he didn't care that he was hurting people, but rather that all of that is still with in the context of the game. There's standard policy for on-the-field infractions. I actually think adding fines to it hurts the game. But whatever; they're able to afford it.

And yes, I think the Belichick, whoever filmed it, and all the coaches that used the tape should've been suspended. To me, it's the same thing as a player taking PEDs; it gives him an unfair advantage. The normal punishment for PED use is a warning, and then suspensions. I don't think a coach should get a warning, though. I think losing a first-rounder didn't really fit the "crime." The GM wasn't the one breaking the rules. I think losing picks should be reserved for things like major cap infractions or tampering.

[LnGrrrR]

Illegal hits aren't cheating in the same sense as filming practices, especially when the hits weren't illegal just a few years ago. I'm not saying Harrison isn't a piece of crap for saying that he didn't care that he was hurting people, but rather that all of that is still with in the context of the game. There's standard policy for on-the-field infractions. I actually think adding fines to it hurts the game. But whatever; they're able to afford it.

And yes, I think the Belichick, whoever filmed it, and all the coaches that used the tape should've been suspended. To me, it's the same thing as a player taking PEDs; it gives him an unfair advantage. The normal punishment for PED use is a warning, and then suspensions. I don't think a coach should get a warning, though. I think losing a first-rounder didn't really fit the "crime." The GM wasn't the one breaking the rules. I think losing picks should be reserved for things like major cap infractions or tampering.

They weren't fined for filming practices, they were fined for filming opposing teams signals while on the sidelines. That does make a difference.

[Chinook]

They weren't fined for filming practices, they were fined for filming opposing teams signals while on the sidelines. That does make a difference.

You're right; it does. That makes losing a first-rounder even less of a suitable punishment. It doesn't make it much better for Belichick, though.

[monosylab1k]

Illegal hits aren't cheating in the same sense as filming practices, especially when the hits weren't illegal just a few years ago. I'm not saying Harrison isn't a piece of crap for saying that he didn't care that he was hurting people, but rather that all of that is still with in the context of the game. There's standard policy for on-the-field infractions. I actually think adding fines to it hurts the game. But whatever; they're able to afford it.

And yes, I think the Belichick, whoever filmed it, and all the coaches that used the tape should've been suspended. To me, it's the same thing as a player taking PEDs; it gives him an unfair advantage. The normal punishment for PED use is a warning, and then suspensions. I don't think a coach should get a warning, though. I think losing a first-rounder didn't really fit the "crime." The GM wasn't the one breaking the rules. I think losing picks should be reserved for things like major cap infractions or tampering.

So what, in your estimation, should the punishment be for taping defensive signals in one game?

[monosylab1k]

By the way, whatever punishment you have, if it's reasonable and fitting, I would GLADLY take over losing a 1st round pick.

[Chinook]

So what, in your estimation, should the punishment be for taping defensive signals in one game?

A suspension 1-4 games. It should be like a second PED offense. It doesn't matter if you were to take Adderall for one game only; you'd still get suspended for four if they found it in your system. But I'd also see some reason for leniency for a first-time offense for the signal taping, and I could have been persuaded to go less than four. The only way something like draft picks should come into play is if the team is warned to stop Belichick from doing it subsequently and they don't comply.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

A suspension 1-4 games. It should be like a second PED offense.

I think I speak for most people when I say I'd GLADLY take a 1-4 game Belichick suspension over losing a 1st round pick.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Boldin is incredibly inconsistent, but if he's playing well (which is usually the case is big games), Talib's going to struggle. I used to watch him when he was with Tampa (the Bucs are #2 for me), and he wasn't very good a shutting down slot receivers. It's going to be interesting to see how physical the officials let the game be. Talib was at his best with the Bucs when he could be aggressive playing the ball due to having safety help. I haven't seen him since he was traded, so maybe he's better at that stuff now.
His presence has completely changed the defense. Prior to trading for him, the defense had extremely vanilla play calling with soft zone coverage and 3-4 man rushes every time. They trust him in coverage and


I think the Ravens will run a lot of 3/1/1 or 3/2/0 (I mean WR/RB/TE just in case I have that standard order messed up) in order to get Jones in the game. It would be interesting to see how the Patriots deal with two 9-routes at the same time. Is Arrington still the nickel? If so, it'll be interesting to see him on Boldin, Jones and/or Pitta/Dickson. The linebackers will be spotlighted as well.
Since the Talib trade and McCourty moving to safety, the big plays they were giving up early in the year stopped happening.


To me, the matchup of the game as far as the Ravens' offense goes is going to be Osemele and Birk vs Wilfork. Last time these teams played, Ramon Harewood was the starting left guard. He wasn't horrible, but he and Birk weren't really strong enough to stop Wilfork. With a stronger Osemele there, I imagine the Ravens are going to try to run up the middle more than Houston did. If they succeed in getting Leach to the second level (and thus Rice getting good gains up the gut), I don't see how the Patriots can counter.
I agree with most of this but Wilfork was even more of a monster in the last AFCCG when it was Ben Grubbs and Birk. Stuffing up the gut runs has been the one thing New England has been consistent at on defense all year, and the Texans had probowlers at LG and C. I don't see a scenario of Rice doing much running up the gut, however I could see plenty of scenarios where Ray Rice converts several key 3rd downs as a backfield receiver who gets matched up against Brandon Spikes.


The interior pass coverage is going to be really important for the Ravens' defense. Stopping Welker, Vareen and Hernandez will be critical to giving Suggs and Kruger enough time to get to Brady. How Lewis does will be critical. Also interesting will be Graham vs Welker. Ellerbe is playing his best ball, too, and him on Vareen will be big.
Baltimore's interior pass rush worries me a lot tbh. Last year was the first time New England got good A-gap blocking because Brian Waters was just as good as anyone in the league last year at RG. I'm still not confident in Connolly and Wendell at RG and C respectively. At least it's no longer Dan Koppen at center given how much he always struggled against Ngata.

[monosylab1k]

I think I speak for most people when I say I'd GLADLY take a 1-4 game Belichick suspension over losing a 1st round pick.

In 2007 you could suspend Belichick for the entire season and i would take that over losing a 1st rounder. Art Shell could have coached that Patriots team to a 13-3 record

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm going to try to create a ledger of additions and subtractions for the Ravens since they played the Patriots. If a Pats fan wants to make one for their team, we might be able to get a better idea of what's changed:

Improved:
Pass Protection
Offensive Play-Calling
Return Game
Pass Rush
Run Defense

Weakened:
Tight-End Play (Dickson has fallen off, but is trying to come back)
Apparently Kick Coverage
Cornerback Play (although not by much)
Lineback Depth
Interior Line Play (It's better now than it's been recently, but Ngata is less healthy than he was in Week 3)
There really isn't anything New England has gotten worse at since the Baltimore game. I might sound like a homer for saying that after that game they were 1-2 and looked like total shit. I think going from a healthy Gronk to a healthy Hernandez is a downgrade since Gronk more versatile and makes the redzone offense lethal. Chandler Jones has also hit a wall and hasn't had a sack since October. Outside of that New England has either stayed the same or improved in all areas. More than anything the play calling on both offense and defense have made strides.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

In 2007 you could suspend Belichick for the entire season and i would take that over losing a 1st rounder. Art Shell could have coached that Patriots team to a 13-3 record

:lol I wouldn't go that far, especially given the relationship Moss and Shell had in Oakland.

[Chinook]

His presence has completely changed the defense. Prior to trading for him, the defense had extremely vanilla play calling with soft zone coverage and 3-4 man rushes every time. They trust him in coverage and Since the Talib trade and McCourty moving to safety, the big plays they were giving up early in the year stopped happening.


It's certainly possible that Talib has bought into the Belichick and is finally fulfilling his potential. It takes a special cornerback to cover Boldin, though. He's like a runningback who can catch. If Boldin plays like he usually does when matched up against top corners, he'll have to be doubled. Talib did have an interception off Flacco when the Ravens' played the Bucs a few years ago, though, so there is a history of him doing well against Baltimore.

As far as 9-routes go, the Ravens will test the safeties all game. If Rice forces New England to commit eight to the box, it could get ugly.


I agree with most of this but Wilfork was even more of a monster in the last AFCCG when it was Ben Grubbs and Birk. Stuffing up the gut runs has been the one thing New England has been consistent at on defense all year, and the Texans had probowlers at LG and C. I don't see a scenario of Rice doing much running up the gut, however I could see plenty of scenarios where Ray Rice converts several key 3rd downs as a backfield receiver who gets matched up against Brandon Spikes.

Grubbs was hurt last season, which totally took away his strength when matched up with good tackles. Even at full strength, he's not as strong as Osemele is. Don't get me wrong, Grubbs is better right now, but I'm hoping between Osemele's strength and Birk's smarts, they can contain Wilfork. If they can get Leach a free run at a linebacker, I think Rice will be all right. He's definitely a threat in the passing game, but I think that that is such an obvious advantage that it will be game-planned for pretty well. Pitta would be a much bigger worry, in my opinion.


Baltimore's interior pass rush worries me a lot tbh. Last year was the first time New England got good A-gap blocking because Brian Waters was just as good as anyone in the league last year at RG. I'm still not confident in Connolly and Wendell at RG and C respectively. At least it's no longer Dan Koppen at center given how much he always struggled against Ngata.

If Ngata plays like he's healthy, then it's going to be really hard to stop that line. Doubling him and Suggs leaves McPhee and Kruger one-on-ones, and they're both playing their best ball right now. I am very worried about Lewis in the zone. The Ravens struggled to stop Stokley on some third downs, and it won't get any easier with Welker and Hernandez. Ellerbe did a good job on Gronk last time, but he's going to have a completely different challenge with backs. Moreno scored off him (I believe).

[Fabbs]

Go Ravens!

I do think this is the best Pattycake team since their cheating cameras were taken away.

[LnGrrrR]

You're right; it does. That makes losing a first-rounder even less of a suitable punishment. It doesn't make it much better for Belichick, though.


Filming practices (which would imply sneaking/subterfuge) seems much worse than filming signals (which everyone can see).

[Chinook]

Filming practices (which would imply sneaking/subterfuge) seems much worse than filming signals (which everyone can see).

That's what I'm saying. The former probably would mean it was a teamwide thing, and maybe then losing draft picks are warranted. But this was something that should have just been on the heads of the people who did it. Did Belichick know (admit to knowing) it was against to rules to film signals?

[LnGrrrR]

That's what I'm saying. The former probably would mean it was a teamwide thing, and maybe then losing draft picks are warranted. But this was something that should have just been on the heads of the people who did it. Did Belichick know (admit to knowing) it was against to rules to film signals?

Ah, I misunderstood. I'm not sure if BB ever answered; he probably knew but tried to get away with it. As Mono and DoK said, I would've been much better with a suspension than losing a draft pick.

[crc21209]

This is going to be a damn good game. And while I respect Ray Lewis for everything he's done in the NFL, I think his ride ends Sunday. The Ravens D has stepped up when needed in big moments the past couple of weeks, but I think Brady and that offense may just be a little too much for the Ravens. That, and I think the Joe Flacco from the past couple of years who makes mistakes also shows up on Sunday. Pats 35 Ravens 21

[Fabbs]

Ah, I misunderstood. I'm not sure if BB ever answered; he probably knew but tried to get away with it. As Mono and DoK said, I would've been much better with a suspension than losing a draft pick.
Apologized, seemed to own up but then gave some backpedaling blather.

1 Goodell:
"This episode represents a calculated and deliberate attempt to avoid long-standing rules designed to encourage fair play and promote honest competition on the playing field," Goodell said in a letter to the Patriots.

2. Belichick: "for the actions that led to tonight's ruling. Once again, I apologize to the Kraft family and every person directly or indirectly associated with the New England Patriots for the embarrassment, distraction and penalty my mistake caused. I also apologize to Patriots fans and would like to thank them for their support during the past few days and throughout my career,"...
Bravo, right!!?? :clap
Hold your Pattycakes.

Belicheat continues:
"As the commissioner acknowledged, our use of sideline video had no impact on the outcome of last week's game. We have never used sideline video to obtain a competitive advantage while the game was in progress."

[Chinook]

Brady hasn't really been good against the Ravens since the Flacco was drafted. Flacco, on the other hand, has had only one bad game against New England, and it was the Ravens' playoff blowout in 2010. I think the pressure is on the Patriots Sunday.

If the Ravens need a comeback, I think Flacco gets it done. If they're leading, it's very possible Joe gives the game away again.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Brady hasn't really been good against the Ravens since the Flacco was drafted. Flacco, on the other hand, has had only one bad game against New England, and it was the Ravens' playoff blowout in 2010. I think the pressure is on the Patriots Sunday.

You also said Houston "should be able to" win against New England last week. Your bias is as obvious as hell.

[Chinook]

You also said Houston "should be able to" win against New England last week. Your bias is as obvious as hell.

I should clarify: When I say, "Brady hasn't been good," I mean that he hasn't put up good numbers. That's not a biased claim.

121/195, 1278 Yards, 5 TD, 8 INT
62.1%, 6.6 Y/A, 256 Y/G, 72.6 QB Rating


Those are Brady's stats against the Ravens since Flacco was drafted.

108/167, 1271 Yards, 9 TD, 4 INT
64.7%, 7.6 Y/A, 254 Y/G, 95.7 QB Rating


Those are Flacco's against Brady. His only poor game was in 2010, when he only had a QB rating of 10.0, but the Ravens didn't need him to throw. I'm not saying Brady doesn't make plays to win, because he does. He scored the go-ahead touchdown in the AFCCG last season. But he hasn't blown out the Ravens in a long time (nine years). He may make the difference again on Sunday, but he doesn't have a history of destroying Baltimore.

I believe I actually said Houston should win. My claim was stronger than you suggested. But I also said that would only happen if the Texans' defense played the way they did at the beginning of the year; they did not. I still think they did enough to win, but I had no idea that Schaub had gotten so bad. I owned up to being wrong on that, though. I do think this is a different circumstance, because I don't have to hope/assume the Ravens defense will get out of a funk. They're playing as well as they ever have this season. With the spread and being at home, with the talk of how Brady is the far-superior quarterback, I don't think it's too biased to say they have the pressure. The Ravens are motivated with the Last Ride movement, but they're still the ones playing with house money.

I don't like the Patriots -- I thought I made that clear. They're my second-least-favorite team in the league. I hope they lose most of their games. But I wouldn't pick them to lose to teams that I don't think have legitimate advantages over them in key areas. I underestimated how little focus Houston had (they still don't have the mentality of a contending team), but there's nothing absurd about picking Baltimore, even in a landslide. Statistically speaking, Flacco seems more likely to go off than Brady is.

[monosylab1k]

What leads you to believe Baltimore is really that good right now? They faded badly down the stretch, and their two playoff wins are against a Colts team that statistically rated out as the worst playoff team of all time (Bill Barnwell said statistically the 7-9 Seahawks playoff team was far better than the Colts), and then they had the luxury of going against Playoff Manning (and still needed a miracle to win). An argument could easily be made that the Ravens are a very average team that fluked their way here.

[Chinook]

What leads you to believe Baltimore is really that good right now? They faded badly down the stretch, and their two playoff wins are against a Colts team that statistically rated out as the worst playoff team of all time (Bill Barnwell said statistically the 7-9 Seahawks playoff team was far better than the Colts), and then they had the luxury of going against Playoff Manning (and still needed a miracle to win). An argument could easily be made that the Ravens are a very average team that fluked their way here.

The Pats have a history of losing to "fluky" teams in the recent post-seasons (Giants twice, Jets in 2011, Ravens three years ago), so that factor may actually help the Ravens. The Patriots don't actually do that well when they're that heavily favored.

There's nothing flukey about Flacco beating Denver's defense or the Ravens' defense not allowing long completions in recent games (not counting the Bengals game, but still they didn't give up much). I don't know that the Patriots would have beaten the Broncos last week. I think most people who believe they would look at what happened and say, "If the Ravens beat them, then of course the Patriots will."

Baltimore's pass rush has looked real the last three competitive games. Suggs played well for the first time this year, and Ngata didn't look as gimpy as he was throughout most of the season. I was really impressed with their defensive adjustments in the second half last week, and I really do think the Lewis pushes the defense to the next level. Ed Reed even played his assignment for once.

On offense, Flacco had two good games in a row, and one was on the road. He's always the X-factor; if he plays like a franchise quarterback, the Ravens are pretty much unstoppable. He also got lucky that some interceptions were missed, but he didn't let bad throws faze him. He also has a history to stepping up under pressure. The offensive line is a lot better than it was in Week 3 as well. It's very possible that Baltimore has success in running between the tackles this time.

In reality, the Ravens are a playoff team. They played poorly for a good stretch at the end, but they've come alive on both sides of the ball. Changing coordinators has helped, I think. Pees isn't as good as Pagano, but he should be able to make a good game plan this week. Caldwell has been a pleasant surprise, too. Having him means that the Ravens are harder to gameplan for.

[Chinook]

And even you have to admit that if everyone plays their assignments perfectly, the Ravens win by seven instead of three.

[Raven]

tbh i feel a lot more confident against the ravens than i was against houston, while i noticed before the playoffs that the ravens could make some noise, i think that a D that looks as it has ever been since i can remember and the already illegal offense, is just too much for anyone right now. Not saying we will win or betting anything, just feeling very confident.

[Neo.]

I would probably pick the Pats to win this, but the Ravens just seem like a team of destiny or something. Too much weird, fluky stuff is happening for them, and usually when that is happening for a team, they are going to find a way to unexpectedly win it all. See 2001 Pats, 2005 Steelers, 2008 Giants.

Ravens 24
Pats 20

[LnGrrrR]

I would probably pick the Pats to win this, but the Ravens just seem like a team of destiny or something. Too much weird, fluky stuff is happening for them, and usually when that is happening for a team, they are going to find a way to unexpectedly win it all. See 2001 Pats, 2005 Steelers, 2008 Giants.

Ravens 24
Pats 20

Tbh, I thought Pats were a team of dynasty, what with the "revenge tour" going on. That didn't pan out though.

[Chinook]

Tbh, I thought Pats were a team of dynasty, what with the "revenge tour" going on. That didn't pan out though.

I don't remember that time. What year was that?

[LnGrrrR]

I don't remember that time. What year was that?

Last year.

First team - Denver Broncos, the first team to knock Brady out of the playoffs.
Second team - Baltimore Ravens, the first team to beat us at Gilette Stadium in the playoffs
Third team - New York Giants.... obvious

[Chinook]

Oh, okay. I guess I didn't realize that because I don't know many Pats fans. Thanks.

[Arcadian]

I'm going for the Ravens. AFC North represent.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm going for the Ravens. AFC North represent.

You definitely ain't a yinzer then:lol

[Mal]

Patriots. Easy. Flaco wont have another great offensive game.

[Fabbs]

Pattycake pattycake baker man.
How does Ray Lewis arse taste?

[BUMP]

Pattycake pattycake baker man.
How does Ray Lewis arse taste?

Are you as interested in watching little boys prance around in gladiator outfits as I?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Pattycake pattycake baker man.
How does Ray Lewis arse taste?

:lmao

[monosylab1k]

Pattycake pattycake baker man.
How does Ray Lewis arse taste?

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/BRANDON-SPIKES-FUMBLE-DANCE.gif

[timvp]

Come on Ray Ray, murder dem fools.





Get it?

[thunderup]

Pattycake pattycake baker man.
How does Ray Lewis arse taste?
:lol

[LakerHater]

Harbaugh bowl comming up!

[thunderup]

Expecting the Patriots to host a bloodbath of epic proportions.

[JingleJangleJingle]

Ravens blew their load against the Broncos...don't see them beating the Pats unless Ray Lewis shanks Tom Brady's Spleen in the first half.

[Chinook]

What are the odds that a Ray Rice run off left tackle is the first play for the Ravens' offense?

[monosylab1k]

What are the odds that a Ray Rice run off left tackle is the first play for the Ravens' offense?

Maybe, but i see Baltimore challenging NE's secondary right away. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple deep balls real quick.

[Chinook]

Maybe, but i see Baltimore challenging NE's secondary right away. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple deep balls real quick.

Yeah. I hope they do the run though. It would be good to try to start off like 2010 and not last year.

[phxspurfan]

Pats-9ers SB with 9ers in a rout...why watch CBS

[jeebus]

Ray Lewis crying because he hasn't stabbed someone in a while. :cry

[resistanze]

oh wow.

[phxspurfan]

(except for the VS Fashion Show)

[Technique]

I swear Ray Lewis is on fucking drugs.

[DJ Mbenga]

ray rice has to beast, othewise its over quickly

[Pelicans78]

I swear Ray Lewis is on fucking drugs.

Just PEDs.

[Raven]

Ray Lewis crying because he hasn't stabbed someone in a while. :cry

:lol

[thunderup]

So much emotion from Ray Lewis.

[monosylab1k]

Goddamn Ray is such a fucking phony piece of shit

[Trill Clinton]

gotdayum welker

[thunderup]

:lmao welker

[DJ Mbenga]

pats going all in with the gimmicks

[Strategic]

To me, Spygate was so much worse than Bountygate. You caught a coach essentially cheating, and all you do is take away what was pretty much a second-rounder and give them a fine? Belichek (and Mangini and everyone else who knew about it) should've been suspended.

The Pats missed out on the chance to draft Kenny Phillips; the Saints had their season ruined.One team was penalized for what they did and the other team was penalized for getting caught?

[thunderup]

Bellicheat and the cheatriots trying to throw the d offsides :lol

[Chinook]

Point to Belichick.

[Pelicans78]

Welker is a fuckin POS.

[monosylab1k]

pats going all in with the gimmicks

Good strategy imho. Ray Lewis' "win it all for me :cry" gimmick gives them a boost. Best way to fight it is to mindfuck them. Gimmick vs gimmick imho

[Chinook]

Right tackle run, but still.

[chunticakes]

What are the odds that a Ray Rice run off left tackle is the first play for the Ravens' offense?

rt tackle.

[monosylab1k]

THAT nigga Brandon Spikes

[chunticakes]

lol pollard's like chill nigga or i'll take your acls.

[Clipper Nation]

Overconservative playcalling = Ravens f:lolcked

[Trill Clinton]

lol@ caldwell

[benefactor]

Ravens may channel their inner Texans on this one.

[DJ Mbenga]

i guess caldwell never called the plays he just gave manning a list and let him decide

[benefactor]

Ravens are going to get an ass pounding if they keep giving Brady that much time.

[DJ Mbenga]

the hurry up gimmick working. might face a option gimmick

[thunderup]

Overconservative playcalling = Ravens f:lolcked
They need to allow Flacco to throw the deep ball. Challenge that weak secondary

[DJ Mbenga]

ravens gonna try bend but not break defense

[symple19]

Big stop by the Ravens

[Chinook]

I like that they hit Brady a couple of times. Those shots start to take their toll as the game goes one.

[mojorizen7]

Ravens are going to get an ass pounding if they keep giving Brady that much time.

Yep. They're lucky that its only 3-0. Brady missed a couple throws.
Ravens D looks a little awestruck already. Hopefully they settle in and start dictating instead of reacting so much.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I got a chub when that chick straddled the alligator

[symple19]

Boldin isn't the guy you want to be throwing streak routes to

[Chinook]

That was awful holding and no call on that punt.

[resistanze]

Enjoyed watching Welker flying a little too much

[monosylab1k]

If Talib is hurt we're fucked

[manufan10]

If Talib is hurt we're fucked

Headed to the locker room.

[manufan10]

I hate that call.

[Chinook]

Hernandez made that helmet-to-helmet.

[mojorizen7]

Ravens gotta get Rice going and flip the field position.

[Clipper Nation]

What a pussy-ass league the NFL has become... Roger Goodell hates defenses so much that defensive players get flagged when OFFENSIVE players initiate helmet-to-helmet contact...

[symple19]

I go for it there if I'm hoodie

[mojorizen7]

Gotta catch that Dixon.

[benefactor]

Flacco back to being Flacco

[Clipper Nation]

@shalisemyoung (https://twitter.com/shalisemyoung)
Kyle Love is questionable to return with a knee injury

[symple19]

Not an encouraging start for the Ravens offensively

[Trill Clinton]

the pats o line:worthy:

[Nathan89]

:sleep

[monosylab1k]

New England is dominating and it's only 3-0. We're ginna lose

[Chinook]

I like to see Williams stepping up.

[Raven]

damn those fucking injuries

[LnGrrrR]

An interesting quarter... Don't think anything's settled yet, but seeing Love and Talib go out worries me.

[LnGrrrR]

Man, that would've been awesome if Mayo could've fallen on that.

[DeadlyDynasty]

wake up Flacco you stupid-face bastard

[manufan10]

293150936820498432

[LnGrrrR]

Wondering when Pats are going to get some penetration.

[jeebus]

:sleep

[DeadlyDynasty]

Joe Flacco and Chad Henne are the only QB's I know of that make short and intermediate throws look so difficult

[mojorizen7]

Even if Baltimore punts from the 40 this drive would be a success.

[mojorizen7]

Hre we go. Finally some offense.

[monosylab1k]

Fuck me

[LnGrrrR]

I wasn't able to watch any of the first quarter, because I was downtown. I start watching and Baltimore is likely to get a TD. If Pats aren't up at the half, I'm going back to the radio.

[DPG21920]

What a great drive. Those last couple runs by Rice :wow

[Raven]

love injured and ravens getting rice going..

[DeadlyDynasty]

Ray Rice loves him some Gillette

[symple19]

Ray Rice doing his thing

[Chinook]

Here we go. Need a stop, though. I hope the defense got some rest.

[monosylab1k]

If brady fucks up any more easy throws i'm gonna just turn it off.

[Chinook]

Ouch with these injuries...

[Clipper Nation]

Ray Rice, bitchessss

[DeadlyDynasty]

Chung and Talib injured? Caldwell better open up det playbook

[DPG21920]

Ray Rice is my favorite player in the NFL tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

Chung and Talib injured? Caldwell better open up det playbook

Son, his playbook seems to be like two pages with the most basic conservative plays on them :lol

[mojorizen7]

Ravens have to feel pretty good up 7-3.
Pats dominated 1st qtr and the field position. Pats excellent early tackling has gotten a little sloppy.

[monosylab1k]

Chung and Talib injured? Caldwell better open up det playbook

Chung hasn't played much lately. You know you suck at coverage when they bench you for a white guy :lol

[Clipper Nation]

Guess Talib's coming back in... Patsies getting desperate?

[mojorizen7]

Ray Rice is my favorite player in the NFL tbh.

Nice. I'm a closet Ravens fan tbh. Only team in the AFC i can stand watching.

[LnGrrrR]

:lol Ellerbee

[Chinook]

Here we go with the penalties.

[LnGrrrR]

Here we go with the penalties.

Son, that was a pretty obvious penalty.

Also, the mics are super loud on the field. :lol

[DPG21920]

Nice. I'm a closet Ravens fan tbh. Only team in the AFC i can stand watching.

I typically don't like watching the Ravens play (other than Rice) but with Flacco's improvement and Torrey Smith coming into his own, they have been a lot more enjoyable. But Ray Lewis annoys the crap out of me.

[benefactor]

Nice audible there by Brady

[timvp]

Damn it, IMO.

[LnGrrrR]

Pats, don't get cute. Just rush it with Ridley.

[DPG21920]

Pats will go for it on fourth if they don't get it here, right?

[DeadlyDynasty]

4-down territory if they don't convert here

[benefactor]

Wasted play on first down cost them

[symple19]

Reed could have hit him if he wanted. Probably smart to lay up, though

[DPG21920]

Welker sh*tting on Mono

[LnGrrrR]

Good playcall. I was pissed when I saw Brady in the empty backfield; good thing they motioned Woodhead in.

[symple19]

:lol awkward high 5's in the richer box

nice hookup between Welker and Brady

[Raven]

uhh thank god they made that td, it could have gotten really really ugly

[mojorizen7]

How the Ravens secondary aren't prepared for that Welker goalline cross up i have no idea.
Pathetic.

[monosylab1k]

Welker sh*tting on Mono

Would be 17-7 or 21-7 if their #1 option was healthy tbh

[Chinook]

Jones should have let that kick go.

[LnGrrrR]

Wilfork is such a beast :lol

[benefactor]

Jones should have let that kick go.
He's your problem now.

[DPG21920]

Keep the tempo up, don't be so stubborn trying to just run, get the ball into Ray's hands/Pierce's hands on creative flat throws too. Let Flacco throw it down field.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Wilfork is such a beast :lolfrom?

[mojorizen7]

Wilfork is such a beast :lol

Yep. He wrecked that play.

[Raven]

bad punt

[symple19]

from?

Tha U!

[benefactor]

He's your problem now.
And he immediately falls down on his route causing a punt. Boom.

[Clipper Nation]

Blowout starts now, tbh.... no way San Fran's beating these faggots either...

[Chinook]

And he immediately falls down on his route causing a punt. Boom.

The Ravens wouldn't be here without him. I'll take that play.

[benefactor]

He did good things in Houston too...until he started dropping passes and muffing kicks in the playoffs. Enjoy.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Please hold them to 3

[LnGrrrR]

Fucking stupid official.

[DeadlyDynasty]

ref sack:lol

[benefactor]

lol ref making the tackle

[resistanze]

:lol Brady

[DPG21920]

Fucking stupid official.

:lmao

[symple19]

:lmao at the official

[Chinook]

Brady tried to use the ref like a punk and got what he deserved.

[ffadicted]

LMAO brady owned by ref

[benefactor]

Great call

[DPG21920]

Love the Pats and their aggressiveness. Too many losers in the NFL.

[symple19]

Fucking great call...

[monosylab1k]

:cry Ray Lewis willed that ref into stopping Brady

[benefactor]

Love the Pats and their aggressiveness. Too many losers in the NFL.
:depressed

[LnGrrrR]

Brady tried to use the ref like a punk and get what he deserved.

:lol What? Give me a break. It's cool if you're biased, but not if it makes you look like an idiot. I know the ref didn't mean to get in his way, but I would've liked for him to be anywhere but there. At least they made the first down.

[mojorizen7]

Brady tried to use the ref like a punk and get what he deserved.
Brady is the only QB in the NFL that an official will help up off the turf when he gets knocked down.

[Chinook]

:lol What? Give me a break. It's cool if you're biased, but not if it makes you look like an idiot. I know the ref didn't mean to get in his way, but I would've liked for him to be anywhere but there. At least they made the first down.

The ref didn't mean to. Brady meant to use him as a shield like they do with Welker.

[DPG21920]

:lol What? Give me a break. It's cool if you're biased, but not if it makes you look like an idiot. I know the ref didn't mean to get in his way, but I would've liked for him to be anywhere but there. At least they made the first down.

Pot.Kettle. The ref was in position and did nothing wrong. You saying "stupid ref" was silly IMO.

[LnGrrrR]

The ref didn't mean to. Brady meant to use him as a shield like they do with Welker.

:lol Right, right. I'm sure he would've tried to use the ref as a shield, instead of just picking up the first down and sliding.

[DPG21920]

Great throw on the move there. I've seen this before when I watch the Chargers.

[benefactor]

Watching Brady make me hate Schaub even more

[Chinook]

:lol Right, right. I'm sure he would've tried to use the ref as a shield, instead of just picking up the first down and sliding.

It happens all the time with runners and their blockers.

[monosylab1k]

The ref didn't mean to. Brady meant to use him as a shield like they do with Welker.

:lmao fuck off with that shit. Brady was trying to make a move on the guy directly in front of him. The ref just happened to be in the way.

[LnGrrrR]

Pot.Kettle. The ref was in position and did nothing wrong. You saying "stupid ref" was silly IMO.

The ref did nothing wrong, but he certainly didn't do anything right either. :lol

Why the fuck didn't they call the timeout there? That was dumb.

[DPG21920]

What a dirty slide lmao. He went in cleats up and purposely kickedhim.

[symple19]

dumb, shoulda called time

[resistanze]

Brady taking out Reed :lol

[ffadicted]

lmao @ that slide

[Clipper Nation]

Some dirty-ass shit from Brady, tbh...

[LnGrrrR]

Ravens only down by 6, still anyone's game. Pats should've called a TO there and taken a shot at the end zone.

And no, I won't defend that slide. :lol

[symple19]

That shit was dirty as hell after looking at the replay... :lol

He really was trying to spike him

Where's the red card?!

[monosylab1k]

What a dirty slide lmao. He went in cleats up and purposely kickedhim.

Reed with the dirty stepping on his throwing shoulder goods right after that. Tit for tat imho

[chunticakes]

lol dat slide

[LakerHater]

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[symple19]

We'll see if Reed remembers that next time he comes on a blitz :lol

[Chinook]

:lmao fuck off with that shit. Brady was trying to make a move on the guy directly in front of him. The ref just happened to be in the way.

That's the bias that Pats fans have right there. Everyone knows the Patriots like to use officials as unofficial blockers. It's not illegal, and it's often something for which they get praised. But it's still kind of punkish (I don't mean that harshly), because it endangers the refs needlessly. It looks like that's what Brady was doing there.

[Ghazi]

:lmao at DoK criticizing Kap's clock management and then Brady just pulled off this total clusterfuck

[LnGrrrR]

That's the bias that Pats fans have right there. Everyone knows the Patriots like to use officials as unofficial blockers. It's not illegal, and it's often something for which they get praised. But it's still kind of punkish (I don't mean that harshly), because it endangers the refs needlessly. It looks like that's what Brady was doing there.

Yeah, that's why Brady fell down instead of hiding behind the ref.

[DPG21920]

That shit was dirty as hell after looking at the replay... :lol

He really was trying to spike him

Where's the red card?!

:lol

[Raven]

bill is a fucking genious, that 4th down was a gem :lol... unfortunately when he has those days, we we lose quite a lot of times..

[DPG21920]

Yeah, that's why Brady fell down instead of hiding behind the ref.

That gif certainly looks like Brady picked the ref out and ran right towards him. Was not a straight line.

[monosylab1k]

That's the bias that Pats fans have right there. Everyone knows the Patriots like to use officials as unofficial blockers. It's not illegal, and it's often something for which they get praised. But it's still kind of punkish (I don't mean that harshly), because it endangers the refs needlessly. It looks like that's what Brady was doing there.

:lol wow. I don't even need to say anything. "Don't be biased! Now accept all this biased bullshit!"

[jeebus]

:cry Ray Lewis willed that ref into stopping Brady

http://cjzero.com/gifs/RayThankYouFather.gif

[monosylab1k]

That gif certainly looks like Brady picked the ref out and ran right towards him. Was not a straight line.

Yeah because we all know the best way to avoid a defender directly in front of you is to run straight ahead.

[Chinook]

Yeah, that's why Brady fell down instead of hiding behind the ref.

The ref didn't move the way he wanted him to. From that gif angle, it looks like he just ran into him. But in the replay, you can see Brady put that blocker-guiding hand on him. It may not have been his first intention, but he did try to move the ref in front of the defender at the end.

[monosylab1k]

:lmao the walter payton award trophy is horrible looking

[LnGrrrR]

That gif certainly looks like Brady picked the ref out and ran right towards him. Was not a straight line.

Because if he ran in a straight line, he would've run into the defender that was straight in front of him :lol

[Chinook]

:lol wow. I don't even need to say anything. "Don't be biased! Now accept all this biased bullshit!"

That's not biased. They say it on broadcasts all the time. Just because you don't believe they do that doesn't mean that it's biased to say they do. Unless you think there's a general anti-Patriots bias in the media, which would be about the most absurd claim anyone could make.

And no one is saying not to be biased. I assume you love your team and all. But that doesn't mean that everyone else's opinion is somehow tainted because they root for a different team.