Watching the Thunder@Blazers game makes me wanna quit watching the NBA.

[apalisoc_9]

None of the last 5 fouls against Kevin Durant are actually fouls. They are all ball..Two of those, he was hardly touched. Unbelievable..Kobe, lebron carmelo dont even get this kind of treatment.

[thunderup]

There have been some bad calls go our way. Not gonna lie :lol

[Clipper Nation]

The ref treatment that OKC gets is unreal, tbh...

OKC: +5.7 FTA differential overall, +5.7 FTA differential at home, +5.7 FTA differential on the road

Compared to the rest of the top 4 teams in the league:

MIA: +0.9 FTA differential overall, +2.0 FTA differential at home, -0.3 FTA differential on the road

SA: +0.9 FTA differential overall, +0.6 FTA differential at home, +1.1 FTA differential on the road

LAC: -0.1 FTA differential overall, -1.9 FTA differential at home, +2.6 FTA differential on the road

In fact, the Clippers' record this year is even more impressive considering we get pretty much the opposite of home cooking.... anyway, it's pretty clear OKC is vastly inflated by the whistle compared to the other contenders in the league, tbh...

[apalisoc_9]

Makes you wonder how good the thunder really are. I'm guessing if defenders are actually allowed to get really physical with Kaevin Durant, he'd have tough time instead of making it look so easy.

[SpursIndonesia]

The ref treatment that OKC gets is unreal, tbh...

OKC: +5.7 FTA differential overall, +5.7 FTA differential at home, +5.7 FTA differential on the road

Compared to the rest of the top 4 teams in the league:

MIA: +0.9 FTA differential overall, +2.0 FTA differential at home, -0.3 FTA differential on the road

SA: +0.9 FTA differential overall, +0.6 FTA differential at home, +1.1 FTA differential on the road

LAC: -0.1 FTA differential overall, -1.9 FTA differential at home, +2.6 FTA differential on the road

In fact, the Clippers' record this year is even more impressive considering we get pretty much the opposite of home cooking.... anyway, it's pretty clear OKC is vastly inflated by the whistle compared to the other contenders in the league, tbh...

Yep, agreed, can't argue much when you got stat all written on the stone. Well, perhaps not as MUCH or as bad as you implied to, but the favoritism is clearly there.

[thunderup]

Dumb shot by Lemarcus Aldridge.

:) Game.

[Clipper Nation]

OKC gets 21.6% of their points from free throws (highest percentage in the league)

Miami gets 17.1% of their points from free throws

LAC gets 16.9% of their points from free throws

San Antonio gets 15.9% of their points from free throws

Despite being a jump shooting team, OKC gets almost the same percentage of their points from three-pointers (21.8%) as they do from free throws...

[thunderfan]

Different teams with different players will result in different stats. KD gets some superstar calls. Such is and always has been the NBA. You guys sounds like a bunch of self entitled liberals with all your bitch ass whining

[thispego]

There have been some bad calls go our way. Not gonna lie :lol

Pretty used to it by now, eh?

[thispego]

There have been some bad calls go our way. Not gonna lie :lol

Pretty used to it by now, eh?

[thunderfan]

Westbrook got mauled twice with no calls. One across the head in the final seconds. Big F deal. Bad calls go both ways. KD gets his calls. Kobe gets his calls. Lebron gets his calls. Deal with it.

[thunderup]

Westbrook got mauled twice with no calls. One across the head in the final seconds. Big F deal. Bad calls go both ways. KD gets his calls. Kobe gets his calls. Lebron gets his calls. Deal with it.
There were a couple of times to tonight were Durant was fouled on jumpshots. But yeah you're spot on with the superstar calls. Expect them.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

They defiantly get special treatment no doubt.

[NRHector]

Westbrook got mauled twice with no calls. One across the head in the final seconds. Big F deal. Bad calls go both ways. KD gets his calls. Kobe gets his calls. Lebron gets his calls. Deal with it.

well at least you're not denying that he does get special treatment

[thunderfan]

OKC plus 4 on FTs tonight. All Portland did was look for the open 3 or feed LA for 18 foot fadeaways. KD and Westbrook attacking the rim. Don't really get the beef. KD probably got a no call or two. One could analyze the game and find such calls both ways though.

[thunderfan]

well at least you're not denying that he does get special treatment
Stars get calls. Surely this doesn't come as news to anyone. It's not just a KD thing.

[irishock]

Not even the Lakers got this type of treatment in any of their Title runs except 2002.

[Clipper Nation]

Different teams with different players will result in different stats. KD gets some superstar calls. Such is and always has been the NBA.
There's "some superstar calls," and then there's the extreme officiating advantage that OKC gets moreso than the other contenders in the league....


You guys sounds like a bunch of self entitled liberals with all your bitch ass whining
:cry Y'ALL R JUS 'MURICA HATIN' LIB'RULS! :cry

[thunderfan]

There's "some superstar calls," and then there's the extreme officiating advantage that OKC gets moreso than the other contenders in the league....


:cry Y'ALL R JUS 'MURICA HATIN' LIB'RULS! :cry
Dumbass - OKC shoots THREE more FTs per game than LAC. ONE more than Charlotte. Do the refs give the Bobcats all the calls too?

[HarlemHeat37]

I've been saying this for years, tbh..

OKC is the most ref-reliant team in NBA history and it isn't even close..Harden is on the same level as Durant/Westbrook in that regard, but his replacement(Martin) is also great at drawing shitty fouls..

Part of the reason OKC struggles against Miami is that the officials tend to call a relatively even game, tbh..

[FkLA]

The fourth quarter alone of Game 6 in the WCF last year had 5+ questionable calls. This is old news tbh.

[KaiRMD1]

Same crap as always, basically the more the refs help the Thunder, the more it's obvious the Thunder aren't as good as people believe, hate to say it but it's true.

[irishock]

OKC will feel the same when they meet Miami again.

[jestersmash]

Yeah OKC is one of the least impressive teams in the league (of the top 5 or so teams) for this very reason.

Chris Paul used to be infamous for his dribble-into-the-defender-and-flail-sideways superstar call, but honestly he hasn't gotten that bullshit superstar call consistently this season at all. KD gets this call all the time. Whenever it's crunch time and OKC needs a basket, KD can always count on dribbling into his defender (who invariably will be moving backwards to some extent to keep up with his dribble penetration) and getting the foul call.

No player in the league plays perfectly legal 1 on 1 defense. There's always some contact while both the offensive player and defensive player are moving. The refs simply ignore this for 99% of the game (and for 99% of players) and will award it to Kevin Durant when they deem necessary (usually near the ends of games to strongly influence the outcome).

The Clippers have been the most impressive team in the West, imo, because they don't rely on biased reffing.

[apalisoc_9]

Yeah OKC is one of the least impressive teams in the league (of the top 5 or so teams) for this very reason.

Chris Paul used to be infamous for his dribble-into-the-defender-and-flail-sideways superstar call, but honestly he hasn't gotten that bullshit superstar call consistently this season at all. KD gets this call all the time. Whenever it's crunch time and OKC needs a basket, KD can always count on dribbling into his defender (who invariably will be moving backwards to some extent to keep up with his dribble penetration) and getting the foul call.

No player in the league plays perfectly legal 1 on 1 defense. There's always some contact while both the offensive player and defensive player are moving. The refs simply ignore this for 99% of the game (and for 99% of players) and will award it to Kevin Durant when they deem necessary (usually near the ends of games to strongly influence the outcome).

The Clippers have been the most impressive team in the West, imo, because they don't rely on biased reffing.

Really makes you wonder if Durant truly is better than james or melo offensively. You can never go aggressive with Kevin Durant..just look at that call against Batum when he started defending aggressively in the fourth.

[SpursIndonesia]

Really makes you wonder if Durant truly is better than james or melo offensively. You can never go aggressive with Kevin Durant..just look at that call against Batum when he started defending aggressively in the fourth.

LBJ might not get as much superstar FTs this season, but boy how wonderful defender he is with such low foul counts while playing such agressive defense on perimeter. :D

[Tuddy]

I think part of the reason kd didn't go off more in the finals was cause lebron was guarding him. he can be physical and get away with it knowing he won't get called.

[Tuddy]

The superstars get the favourable treatment from the refs cause they think it will make it more exciting and more people will watch, but seriously how many people DON'T watch the nba anymore cause it is such a circus.

[Killakobe81]

LOL u like the Clips, but they get superstar calls for Blake and.CP3 ...

[thunderfan]

OKC averages 1 more FT per game than Charlotte. You guys are blowing this up big time.

[Clipper Nation]

LOL u like the Clips, but they get superstar calls for Blake and.CP3 ...
Nowhere near as much as what Food Stamps Westbrick and Welfare Queen Durant get, tbh...

[Killakobe81]

Nowhere near as much as what Food Stamps Westbrick and Welfare Queen Durant get, tbh...

Hey I like the clips too so I don't care that they do ... But Blake gets away with more offensive foul calls than anyone. He uses his off arm to launch himself and to ground shot blockers ...no one calls it cuz the highlights are spectacular

[Richie]

Dumbass - OKC shoots THREE more FTs per game than LAC. ONE more than Charlotte. Do the refs give the Bobcats all the calls too?

FTs shot alone doesn't tell the story though. OKC are an excellent jump shooting team so a number of the dubious calls they get are and-1s, therefore just 1 free throw not 2.

Also the Clips get hacked so thier FT attempts number is distorted.

[thunderfan]

FTs shot alone doesn't tell the story though. OKC are an excellent jump shooting team so a number of the dubious calls they get are and-1s, therefore just 1 free throw not 2.

Also the Clips get hacked so thier FT attempts number is distorted.
Oh yeah? Westbrook is 7th in the league in "at rim"'FG attempts. Durant is way up there too. Plain and simple- these guys get a first step on you and you have no choice but to be super aggressive. They're fouled a lot I assure you.

[Seventyniner]

OKC averages 1 more FT per game than Charlotte. You guys are blowing this up big time.

You're doing it wrong. The far better metric is to look at FT/FGA (free throw attempts per field goal attempt). Click here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html and scroll down to Miscellaneous Stats, then click on FT/FGA under Offensive Four Factors to sort by that category. I did so for each of the last ten seasons.

For this season, OC averages .289 FTA for every FGA. 2nd place is the Lakers with .243, 3rd place is Charlotte at .232. League average is .205. The difference between 1st and 2nd (OC and LAL) is bigger than the difference between 2nd and 20th (LAL and BOS).

The difference between OC's FT/FGA and the league average this year (.084) is by far the highest in the last ten years. 2nd place is OC 2010-2011 (OC: .299, average .229, difference .070). 3rd is DEN 2009-2010 (DEN: .290, average .228, difference .062). 4th is OC 2011-2012 (OC: .269, average .208, difference .061).

OC's FT/FGA this season of .289 isn't historically high: top teams (in FT/FGA rank, not record) frequently approach or exceed .300 looking back a ways. The difference is that the league average for FT/FGA has been between .228 and .248 in every post-Jordan season except last season (.208) and this season (.205). Fouls are being called at the lowest rate in 15 years, but OC keeps getting calls like it's 2006 (average FT/FGA .248).

You can also look at FT/FGA differential, or the difference between Offensive FT/FGA and Defensive FT/FGA. OC this year has a differential of .091 (offense .289, defense .198). I only looked at the top two teams for Offensive FT/FGA and Defensive FT/FGA over the last ten seasons, but among those teams, that .091 differential is by far the highest. Second place is OC 2010-2011 with .070 (offense .299, defense .228).

For comparison, LAC this year is actually negative in FT/FGA differential (offense .212, defense .232, differential -.020).

For you conspiracy theorists out there, the numbers also suggest that if the Lakers get preferential treatment, it's by getting away with fouls on defense (low defensive FT/FGA) as opposed to getting iffy calls on offense.

[Clipper Nation]

Pretty funny that the only people trying to deny the ref advantage are Thunderfan and Lakerfan, fans of the two most ref-coddled teams in NBA history, tbh.... the rest of us know what's going on, tbh.... :lol

[thunderfan]

Pretty funny that the only people trying to deny the ref advantage are Thunderfan and Lakerfan, fans of the two most ref-coddled teams in NBA history, tbh.... the rest of us know what's going on, tbh.... :lol

One more TBH please. I can't tell if you're being honest or not. People continually whining about the refs and refuse to give credit where credit is due. Again - RW and KD are in the top tier in the league in FG attempts at the rim. What's that tell you guys? They're getting to the rim. When you've got 2 guys like that getting a good number of attempts at the rim, they're getting fouled, period. What's the alternative? You gonna let them dunk on you all game?

[Richie]

One more TBH please. I can't tell if you're being honest or not. People continually whining about the refs and refuse to give credit where credit is due. Again - RW and KD are in the top tier in the league in FG attempts at the rim. What's that tell you guys? They're getting to the rim. When you've got 2 guys like that getting a good number of attempts at the rim, they're getting fouled, period. What's the alternative? You gonna let them dunk on you all game?

I'd say Wade/Lebron are superior to Westbrook/Durant at getting to the rim, and thier FT attempts aren't anywhere near close

[thunderfan]

I'd say Wade/Lebron are superior to Westbrook/Durant at getting to the rim, and thier FT attempts aren't anywhere near close

Those 2 combos attempt nearly identical FGs at the rim this season, in total. OKC's combo is attempting 2.5 more FT's per game - basically ONE TRIP to the foul line. ONE more whistle from the ref per game. On top of that, Lebron is way more selective than Durant and assists the ball much more. He passes much better and I'd almost guarantee way more of Lebron's at rim attempts are uncontested than KD's are. A defender is much more likely to get up in KD's skinny business than Lebron's. Most defenders want no part of contesting a Lebron dunk. Its just a guaranteed and 1. He's too strong.

[Brunodf]

Nothing new here:wakeup

[DejuanorwhatDude]

Those 2 combos attempt nearly identical FGs at the rim this season, in total. OKC's combo is attempting 2.5 more FT's per game - basically ONE TRIP to the foul line. ONE more whistle from the ref per game. On top of that, Lebron is way more selective than Durant and assists the ball much more. He passes much better and I'd almost guarantee way more of Lebron's at rim attempts are uncontested than KD's are. A defender is much more likely to get up in KD's skinny business than Lebron's. Most defenders want no part of contesting a Lebron dunk. Its just a guaranteed and 1. He's too strong.

So...players are smart enough not to foul the best player in the league but not the second? Not seeing the logic. Also I like that the stats above show how inconsistent the reffing is for OKC and you don't comment on it.

[Jodelo]

You're doing it wrong. The far better metric is to look at FT/FGA (free throw attempts per field goal attempt). Click here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html and scroll down to Miscellaneous Stats, then click on FT/FGA under Offensive Four Factors to sort by that category. I did so for each of the last ten seasons.

For this season, OC averages .289 FTA for every FGA. 2nd place is the Lakers with .243, 3rd place is Charlotte at .232. League average is .205. The difference between 1st and 2nd (OC and LAL) is bigger than the difference between 2nd and 20th (LAL and BOS).

The difference between OC's FT/FGA and the league average this year (.084) is by far the highest in the last ten years. 2nd place is OC 2010-2011 (OC: .299, average .229, difference .070). 3rd is DEN 2009-2010 (DEN: .290, average .228, difference .062). 4th is OC 2011-2012 (OC: .269, average .208, difference .061).

OC's FT/FGA this season of .289 isn't historically high: top teams (in FT/FGA rank, not record) frequently approach or exceed .300 looking back a ways. The difference is that the league average for FT/FGA has been between .228 and .248 in every post-Jordan season except last season (.208) and this season (.205). Fouls are being called at the lowest rate in 15 years, but OC keeps getting calls like it's 2006 (average FT/FGA .248).

You can also look at FT/FGA differential, or the difference between Offensive FT/FGA and Defensive FT/FGA. OC this year has a differential of .091 (offense .289, defense .198). I only looked at the top two teams for Offensive FT/FGA and Defensive FT/FGA over the last ten seasons, but among those teams, that .091 differential is by far the highest. Second place is OC 2010-2011 with .070 (offense .299, defense .228).

For comparison, LAC this year is actually negative in FT/FGA differential (offense .212, defense .232, differential -.020).

For you conspiracy theorists out there, the numbers also suggest that if the Lakers get preferential treatment, it's by getting away with fouls on defense (low defensive FT/FGA) as opposed to getting iffy calls on offense.

I like how thunderfag ignores this post! :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol Seventyniner went IN on this thread, no reply from thunder fan..he's probably tweaked out on that ice though, to be fair, tbh..skating, tbh:lol..

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Thunderfags
:lol Pretending their team isn't stolen
:lol Pretending that they don't get every call from the refs because Stern has a vested interest in OKC winning enough to make people forget said theft

[Leetonidas]

Considering KD is mostly a jump shooter it is ridiculous how many free throws this guy gets

[thunderfan]

You're doing it wrong. The far better metric is to look at FT/FGA (free throw attempts per field goal attempt). Click here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html and scroll down to Miscellaneous Stats, then click on FT/FGA under Offensive Four Factors to sort by that category. I did so for each of the last ten seasons.

For this season, OC averages .289 FTA for every FGA. 2nd place is the Lakers with .243, 3rd place is Charlotte at .232. League average is .205. The difference between 1st and 2nd (OC and LAL) is bigger than the difference between 2nd and 20th (LAL and BOS).

The difference between OC's FT/FGA and the league average this year (.084) is by far the highest in the last ten years. 2nd place is OC 2010-2011 (OC: .299, average .229, difference .070). 3rd is DEN 2009-2010 (DEN: .290, average .228, difference .062). 4th is OC 2011-2012 (OC: .269, average .208, difference .061).

OC's FT/FGA this season of .289 isn't historically high: top teams (in FT/FGA rank, not record) frequently approach or exceed .300 looking back a ways. The difference is that the league average for FT/FGA has been between .228 and .248 in every post-Jordan season except last season (.208) and this season (.205). Fouls are being called at the lowest rate in 15 years, but OC keeps getting calls like it's 2006 (average FT/FGA .248).

You can also look at FT/FGA differential, or the difference between Offensive FT/FGA and Defensive FT/FGA. OC this year has a differential of .091 (offense .289, defense .198). I only looked at the top two teams for Offensive FT/FGA and Defensive FT/FGA over the last ten seasons, but among those teams, that .091 differential is by far the highest. Second place is OC 2010-2011 with .070 (offense .299, defense .228).

For comparison, LAC this year is actually negative in FT/FGA differential (offense .212, defense .232, differential -.020).

For you conspiracy theorists out there, the numbers also suggest that if the Lakers get preferential treatment, it's by getting away with fouls on defense (low defensive FT/FGA) as opposed to getting iffy calls on offense.

Ok, you've got your stats. Now translate them. I'll do it for you - OKC shoot 6 more FT's per game than the league average. That's 3 whistles. When you have two guys in KD and RW who play the way they do, that is completely reasonable. I don't disagree with the stats, but there's always context around stats. You can't compare OKC's rate to the league average and then not put things into context just to support your argument. On top of that, the lower the FGA #, the higher this rate is going to be. When you're fouled on a shot attempt, it's not a shot attempt for statistical purposes. Naturally, if KD and RW are going to the rim and getting hacked much more than your average NBA player, the FGA # is going to be lower and it will skew the rate even more. You've got, arguably, the most unguardable player in basketball and, arguably, the most unguardable point guard in basketball, both of which are near tops in the league in FGAs at the rim, and you want to bitch about 3 more trips to the line per game over the average NBA team?? News flash - KD and Westbrook are far from average.

[thunderfan]

Considering KD is mostly a jump shooter it is ridiculous how many free throws this guy gets

No sir. Both KD and Westbrook attempt a fairly high # of shots "at rim".

[thunderfan]

:lol Seventyniner went IN on this thread, no reply from thunder fan..he's probably tweaked out on that ice though, to be fair, tbh..skating, tbh:lol..

Could you be a little more honest please? I'll need about 5 more acronyms referencing honesty before I'll believe this.

[Jodelo]

most unguardable point guard in basketball

:lmao

[thunderfan]

:lmao

Do you have the ability to express a thought or are you limited to emoticons?

[thunderfan]

:lol Thunderfags
:lol Pretending their team isn't stolen
:lol Pretending that they don't get every call from the refs because Stern has a vested interest in OKC winning enough to make people forget said theft

:lol The entire pussified, flopping roster of the Los Angeles Clippers.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol The entire pussified, flopping roster of the Los Angeles Clippers.
The Clippers must REALLY suck at flopping then, because every single stat shows that they get shafted by the refs :lol

[thunderfan]

The Clippers must REALLY suck at flopping then, because every single stat shows that they get shafted by the refs :lol

Naturally. There's always people in this world who do nothing but bitch and point the finger at someone other than themselves when things don't go their way. Something tells me you're one of those people.

[thunderfan]

It blows my mind that noone here can see the drastic differences between the individual and team play that OKC possesses with that of some other teams and cannot seem to come to the conclusion that OKC's play individually and as a team would naturally lend itself to higher free throw attempts. I have no idea how anyone could argue this fact. Perhaps you still think OKC gets to the line too often, but how could anyone deny that they're naturally going to get there more than other teams legitimately?

[Cry Havoc]

Ok, you've got your stats. Now translate them. I'll do it for you - OKC shoot 6 more FT's per game than the league average. That's 3 whistles. When you have two guys in KD and RW who play the way they do, that is completely reasonable. I don't disagree with the stats, but there's always context around stats. You can't compare OKC's rate to the league average and then not put things into context just to support your argument. On top of that, the lower the FGA #, the higher this rate is going to be. When you're fouled on a shot attempt, it's not a shot attempt for statistical purposes. Naturally, if KD and RW are going to the rim and getting hacked much more than your average NBA player, the FGA # is going to be lower and it will skew the rate even more. You've got, arguably, the most unguardable player in basketball and, arguably, the most unguardable point guard in basketball, both of which are near tops in the league in FGAs at the rim, and you want to bitch about 3 more trips to the line per game over the average NBA team?? News flash - KD and Westbrook are far from average.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Nothing like refuting historically potent stats with anecdotal "context".

"But we're athletic!"

Cha. And the NBA over the past 10 seasons has been just a bunch of Shawn Bradley wannabes.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Jodelo]

Do you have the ability to express a thought or are you limited to emoticons?

Sure, check a few posts above that. :lol

Nearly forgot: :lolCollison

[thunderfan]

Sure, check a few posts above that. :lol

Nearly forgot: :lolCollison

The Dallas Mavericks would each give their left nut to have Nick Collison on their roster at this point.

[thunderfan]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Nothing like refuting historically potent stats with anecdotal "context".

"But we're athletic!"

Cha. And the NBA over the past 10 seasons has been just a bunch of Shawn Bradley wannabes.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Well, here's some numerical evidence: Westbrook is 7th in the NBA in at rim shot attempts. Needless to, #'s 1-6 are not occupied by a point guard. Athletic is an understatement. Foul him or you get dunked on, period. They foul him. Deal with it.

[Cry Havoc]

For you conspiracy theorists out there, the numbers also suggest that if the Lakers get preferential treatment, it's by getting away with fouls on defense (low defensive FT/FGA) as opposed to getting iffy calls on offense.

That makes sense, the refs have stopped gifting Bryant free throws whenever contact is made. I guess they just forward them to the Thunder. :lol

[thunderfan]

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Nothing like refuting historically potent stats with anecdotal "context".

"But we're athletic!"

Cha. And the NBA over the past 10 seasons has been just a bunch of Shawn Bradley wannabes.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

Foul him, or his happens. They foul him. Deal with it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqGuqUbw9HQ

[thunderfan]

That makes sense, the refs have stopped gifting Bryant free throws whenever contact is made. I guess they just forward them to the Thunder. :lol

Bryant's old. You don't have to foul him anymore. He's slower than shit.

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao Thunderfan trying to deny statistical evidence by linking youtube videos.


:lmao :lmao :lmao

You've become as bad as Thunderup. :lmao :lmao :lmao

:cry :cry :cry Stern doesn't help us, all of our free throws are merited! :cry :cry :cry

[thunderfan]

:lmao Thunderfan trying to deny statistical evidence by linking youtube videos.


:lmao :lmao :lmao

You've become as bad as Thunderup. :lmao :lmao :lmao

:cry :cry :cry Stern doesn't help us, all of our free throws are merited! :cry :cry :cry

Numbers are numbers. What a player does on the court tells the real story. Refute that fact.

[thunderfan]

:lmao Thunderfan trying to deny statistical evidence by linking youtube videos.


:lmao :lmao :lmao

You've become as bad as Thunderup. :lmao :lmao :lmao

:cry :cry :cry Stern doesn't help us, all of our free throws are merited! :cry :cry :cry

Statistical evidence suggests KD is the best offensive player in the NBA. I provided video evidence of one of the reasons that is the case. THe video also clearly shows why a guy like KD must be guarded very aggressively and often times fouled. The result of not doing either of those things is well documented.

[Cry Havoc]

Attempts at rim per NBA team:

OKC: 24.7

League average: 25.4

League high - Denver: 35.1

League low - Washington: 19.1

[Cry Havoc]

What a player does on the court tells the real story. Refute that fact.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[thunderfan]

Attempts at rim per NBA team:

OKC: 24.7

League average: 25.4

League high - Denver: 35.1

League low - Washington: 19.1

Let's be honest, the beef here is with KD and Westbrook's free throw attempts. KD and Westbrook account for half of those team attempts at rim. The remaining are usually dump off for easy flushes or lay ins after the defense collapses. As I stated before, KD and Westbrook (along with Wade, James) is easily the top 2 guard combo in FG attempts at the rim.

[thunderfan]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

I rest my case. You reply with emoticons rather than any type of thought out opinion...the reason being you can't refute the statement.

[Jodelo]

The Dallas Mavericks would each give their left nut to have Nick Collison on their roster at this point.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao But it would be good for him, once not being raped by Dirk! :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

Let's be honest, the beef here is with KD and Westbrook's free throw attempts.

My beef is with the ref help that your entire team gets, tbh....

[Clipper Nation]

The Dallas Mavericks would each give their left nut to have Nick Collison on their roster at this point.

They already have one scrub named Collison, they don't need another one :lol

[thunderfan]

My beef is with the ref help that your entire team gets, tbh....

Entire team? Shit. Martin shoots 4 a game. Beyond him there's nothing noteworthy whatsoever in terms of free throw shooting. This is all about KD and Westbrook - and if you're denying that their style of play doesn't lend itself to getting to the line a lot, you're nuts. I'm not suggesting every single foul they draw is legit. They get some freebies, and there's also some that go uncalled. In the end, they get fouled a lot and, in total, their trips to the line are legit.

[Clipper Nation]

This is all about KD and Westbrook - and if you're denying that their style of play doesn't lend itself to getting to the line a lot, you're nuts.

LeBron is averaging more FGA at the rim per game (6.5) than Westbrick (6.2) or Durant (5.1), yet averages the same amount of FTA per game (6.6) as Westbrick and far less FTA than Durant (8.9)...

In fact, D-Wade also gets to the rim more often than Durant (5.5 FGA at the rim per game), yet averages about 3 less FTA per game than Durant... so-called "flopper" Blake Griffin gets to the rim more often than Durant (5.3 FGA at the rim per game), yet averages about 4 less FTA per game than Durant...

Basically, your argument is bad and you should feel bad...

[Cry Havoc]

LeBron is averaging more FGA at the rim per game (6.5) than Westbrick (6.2) or Durant (5.1), yet averages the same amount of FTA per game (6.6) as Westbrick and far less FTA than Durant (8.9)...

In fact, D-Wade also gets to the rim more often than Durant (5.5 FGA at the rim per game), yet averages about 3 less FTA per game than Durant... so-called "flopper" Blake Griffin gets to the rim more often than Durant (5.3 FGA at the rim per game), yet averages about 4 less FTA per game than Durant...

Basically, your argument is bad and you should feel bad...

Clearly, the players you list just aren't as "athletic" as the Thunder, since that's his rationality for everything. :lol

[NRHector]

Entire team? Shit. Martin shoots 4 a game. Beyond him there's nothing noteworthy whatsoever in terms of free throw shooting. This is all about KD and Westbrook - and if you're denying that their style of play doesn't lend itself to getting to the line a lot, you're nuts. I'm not suggesting every single foul they draw is legit. They get some freebies, and there's also some that go uncalled. In the end, they get fouled a lot and, in total, their trips to the line are legit.

of course the trips to the line are legit the fouls are the ones that are bullshit

[thunderfan]

LeBron is averaging more FGA at the rim per game (6.5) than Westbrick (6.2) or Durant (5.1), yet averages the same amount of FTA per game (6.6) as Westbrick and far less FTA than Durant (8.9)...

In fact, D-Wade also gets to the rim more often than Durant (5.5 FGA at the rim per game), yet averages about 3 less FTA per game than Durant... so-called "flopper" Blake Griffin gets to the rim more often than Durant (5.3 FGA at the rim per game), yet averages about 4 less FTA per game than Durant...

Basically, your argument is bad and you should feel bad...
The FGA at rim is part of my rationale and its a valid one. As I stated before, I think Lebron is much more selective in his drives and he passes much better and more often than KD. Lebrons court vision and passing are really second to none. Lebron is also so much stronger than KD that i believe some fouls on him go uncalled. He can appear unimpeded by fouls sometimes. KD also gets more foul calls coming out of his triple threat than anyone in the league. His length is inspector gadget like. He's tough NOT to get in the way of. You cannot impede the forward motion of an offensive player. I think many defenders get caught in KDs length, if you will. I can see where it's frustrating for opposing fans to see but his length does make it difficult for defenders not to impede him a lot.

[HI-FI]

thunderfan with the "smoking that ice, haven't slept in 4 days, seeing shadow people so i can't possibly make sense of seventyniners's post" goods.

btw, props to seventyniner for showing statistically how the league nudges things towards a more desirable outcome.

[Clipper Nation]

So basically thunderfag's argument now is :cry "It's not the refs' fault that Kevin Durant has so much length!" :cry

Stick to crying about meth jokes, son, because actual basketball takes are not your strong suit...

[apalisoc_9]

So basically thunderfag's argument now is :cry "It's not the refs' fault that Kevin Durant has so much length!" :cry

Stick to crying about meth jokes, son, because actual basketball takes are not your strong suit...

If the thunder ends winning a championship, it has got to be the most tainted and the least impressive since Lakers 2002.

[thunderfan]

thunderfan with the "smoking that ice, haven't slept in 4 days, seeing shadow people so i can't possibly make sense of seventyniners's post" goods.

btw, props to seventyniner for showing statistically how the league nudges things towards a more desirable outcome.
Mother fucker I don't even drink soft drinks. Ice? Come on. I'm as healthy as they get.

[thunderfan]

So basically thunderfag's argument now is :cry "It's not the refs' fault that Kevin Durant has so much length!" :cry

Stick to crying about meth jokes, son, because actual basketball takes are not your strong suit...
Stick to fucking yourself douchebag.

[apalisoc_9]

Mother fucker I don't even drink soft drinks. Ice? Come on. I'm as healthy as they get.

Stop double Posting Phaggot.

[thunderfan]

Stop double Posting Phaggot.
I'm outta here. Can't relate to pussies like you guys on here.

[Clipper Nation]

Stick to fucking yourself douchebag.
Your comebacks are as weak as your takes, B...

[Cry Havoc]

:lmao Thunderfan meltdown in progress. :lmao

:lmao Being as bad of a poster as Thunderup. :lmao

[Clipper Nation]

It wouldn't shock me if thunderup and thunderfan were the same faggot using two different names.... I mean, I wouldn't put it past thunderup to use a troll to back himself up, since nobody else actually agrees with his shitful takes, tbh....

[Clipper Nation]

:cry I'm outta here. Can't relate to pussies like you guys on here. :cry

Good riddance, son.... don't come back or you're a known welcher, tbh...

[racm]

It wouldn't shock me if thunderup and thunderfan were the same faggot using two different names.... I mean, I wouldn't put it past thunderup to use a troll to back himself up, since nobody else actually agrees with his shitful takes, tbh....

Incest, tbh...

[Mel_13]

I'm outta here.

You'll be back. The Thunder are too good and will have too much success for you to stay away. You'll be back.

[thunderup]

:lol it seems my name can't get out the minds of the regular liberal shit stains of spurstalk.


I really don't give a shit about the favorable officiating. I admitted already that we get preferential treatment before. Why? I don't know. As a fan, I welcome it, anything that helps really.

[thunderup]

I'm outta here. Can't relate to pussies like you guys on here.
Don't leave partner. I can't be the only Thunder fan on this board. :(

[thunderup]

Kevin :wow

[Clipper Nation]

:lol it seems my name can't get out the minds of the regular liberal shit stains of spurstalk.


You guys sounds like a bunch of self entitled liberals with all your bitch ass whining

Same lame disses, same whiny faggotry, same shit takes.... it's clear this is the same person under two names, imho....

[thunderup]

Same lame disses, same whiny faggotry, same shit takes.... it's clear this is the same person under two names, imho....
:lol Clipper fag with the assumption shit bads per par.

[HI-FI]

:lol it seems my name can't get out the minds of the regular liberal shit stains of spurstalk.


I really don't give a shit about the favorable officiating. I admitted already that we get preferential treatment before. Why? I don't know. As a fan, I welcome it, anything that helps really.

least you accept it, thunderfag doesn't, he still thinks it's some statistical anomaly. I'm actually a fan of Durant since he was a Longhorn but i hate the preferential treatment of OKC. you ask why it happens, imo, it's because the team has two young superstars, but also because I believe Stern et al want that market to flourish after pulling it from Seattle. that was a PR nightmare for them and I imagine they want this new market to flourish, especially with such a well built team. If you guys win a championship then that will go a long way to establishing that market for the future. Just my theory, but at this point the numbers don't lie, OKC gets its share of preferential treatment.

[Cry Havoc]

:lol it seems my name can't get out the minds of the regular liberal shit stains of spurstalk.


I really don't give a shit about the favorable officiating. I admitted already that we get preferential treatment before. Why? I don't know. As a fan, I welcome it, anything that helps really.

You might be a homer and have some bad posts, but at least you aren't drinking the kool-aid. Thunderfan is on a crusade to prove how :cry legit :cry his team is.

[ambchang]

One more TBH please. I can't tell if you're being honest or not. People continually whining about the refs and refuse to give credit where credit is due. Again - RW and KD are in the top tier in the league in FG attempts at the rim. What's that tell you guys? They're getting to the rim. When you've got 2 guys like that getting a good number of attempts at the rim, they're getting fouled, period. What's the alternative? You gonna let them dunk on you all game?

Quit spewing unsubstantiated tripe like it's some kind of fact, shots at the rim has very little to do with number of FTA, at all. look at the league leaders in that category. You see Nikola Pekovic and Greg Monroe shooting a lot of FTs?

On the other hand, the number of shots taken at certain locations of the floor does have some correlation (I did that analysis 5 or 6 years ago), and yet ....

Durant is shooting 78% of FGs on jumpshots, 14% from close range, and 8% on dunks (dunks rarely got fouls). http://www.82games.com/1213/12OKC8.HTM

RW is shooting 69%/21%/1%. http://www.82games.com/1213/12OKC2.HTM

For comparison's sake:

Tony Parker is going 68/22/0

Tim Duncan is going 65/27/7

Blake Griffin: 61/28/11

LeBron: 66/27/6

Wade: 66/25/8

Carmelo: 75/24/2, numbers that are similar (but more close range shots) than Durant, and yet Melo is shooting 0.36 FTA/FGA, while Durant is shooting, get this, 0.485 FTA/FGA. To top it off, Melo's got more shots at the rim than Westbrook.

[ambchang]

BTW, OKC is ranked 17 out of 30 teams in the league in shots at the rim (24.7 atg vs. the league average of 25.4 atg). And yet, they are ranked 2nd in the league in FTA (ironically, right behind the Lakers).

[Richie]

BTW, OKC is ranked 17 out of 30 teams in the league in shots at the rim (24.7 atg vs. the league average of 25.4 atg). And yet, they are ranked 2nd in the league in FTA (ironically, right behind the Lakers).

To be fair to the Lakers, most of those will be Howard. He gets hacked on just about every attempt at the rim because it's better to give up free throws than a dunk, especially to Howard.

Lakers stats on free throws are massively skewed by Howard and can't be used IMO. Thunder is basically #1 at FT attempts from rim shots.