****Official ask a Fuzzy Lumpkins anything and not get a straight answer thread****

[TSA]

Sounds simple, I'll start.


Fuzzy, you own a gun correct? If you are so desperate to follow Australia's lead why haven't you given your gun up? I'm guessing you keep it for protection no? Do you think it's fair the Australian's had to give up their firearms used for protection? Do you think the criminals gave up their guns? Do you think it is now easier for criminals to commit crimes being that they are the only ones with guns now and have nothing to fear but a baseball bat and a knife?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol

Wow

just wow.

I'm in your room Raleigh!

[TSA]

Called it!

[CosmicCowboy]

So Fuzzy...do you still live at home with your mother?

A non answer = a yes.

[CosmicCowboy]

:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

Fucking loudmouth pussy bitch....:lmao

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.yourdogsfriend.info/graphics/active-submission.jpg&sa=X&ei=1SX2UN74MsKE2wWYk4DICA&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNFoS-8cieRHthV0AboTIMRRM3PUGg

Try not to pee yourself

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Now CC wants to know where I live. I don't date guys, guys.

[CosmicCowboy]

Now CC wants to know where I live. I don't date guys, guys.

So you still have that mother thing going?

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i.huffpost.com/gen/600979/thumbs/o-TIME-MAGAZINE-570.jpg?4&sa=X&ei=aif2UOrcG4jY2AWXyYHwCg&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEvAabRWIcMshVHggYMzwzexa9Zmw

Except your mom is a lot fuglier, right?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is this some weird thing to try and get me to tell you where I live or something? I've lived in my place near USAA since I was working at USAA about 6 years ago.

[CosmicCowboy]

Is this some weird thing to try and get me to tell you where I live or something? I've lived in my place near USAA since I was working at USAA about 6 years ago.

So what do you do at USAA? You are clearly uneducated from your posts. Something in maintenance maybe?

A non answer means you just pulled USAA out of your ass and are still living with your mama.

[TSA]

Fuzzy, before getting in to still sucking mom's teet, answer the OP. Refusal to answer simple questions is pretty telling. Can't talk or scholarly quote your way out of this one. You don't want to see you get owned by a simpleton do you?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm in your room, monkey.

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL there is nothing dishonorable about being a maintenance flunky. Or even a janitor assuming you are really working at USAA.

Personally I think you are lying your ass off and still sucking off mamas tit.

A non response means I am right.

[SA210]

lol

[CosmicCowboy]

OK, apparently it is official that fuzzy lumpkins is a janitor at USAA assuming he isn't even lying about that which is a distinct possibility. He is avoiding this thread like he does the head maid at work.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You know I am going to set up a paypal account so you can get one of my T-shirts. Perhaps a mug?

[CosmicCowboy]

You know I am going to set up a paypal account so you can get one of my T-shirts. Perhaps a mug?

Keep mopping. Someone already beat you to it.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://image17.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/products/20539163/views/1,width=378,height=378,appearanceId=2/Sorry-Bitch-I-Suck-Dick-T-Shirts.png&sa=X&ei=KzL2UKrAEom9qgGjmIDwBg&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF-8KSteD4pDGxRLPYodAt8UcqzKQ

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ah although I can see why you'd want that one, it's a print of my avatar. However it's a thicker material which hopefully will help hide your pit stains. I recommend several though considering.

[CosmicCowboy]

LOL tell your mom hi when you stumble down the hall to the bathroom in your underwear.

USAA six years LOL.

[TSA]

So my research bitch is fine with digging up info on anything I ask, but he doesn't even have the nuts to offer up his own opinions and feelings on a subject he seems so passionate about?

Fuzzy, I've been doing this for a long time, trolling that is. I got you to run around here the last week trying to refute everything I've claimed, while doing nothing myself but egg you on. You couldn't help but get suckered in, to my enjoyment of course. It's been a while since I've had the time or been bored enough to do such a thing. But I felt strong enough about these attacks on my personal freedoms to give it go, once again. You can not answer the questions I've now posed because anything you answer will contradict the hours of research you've put in to prove me wrong. You are fucked in a corner. Game over.


TheSanityAnnex is a brilliance most don't understand

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL tell your mom hi when you stumble down the hall to the bathroom in your underwear.

USAA six years LOL.

Six years ago. I got out of there because of Bob Davis and then they fired his ass a few months later. It was not a pleasant time to work there tbh. The perks were great but that dude created a stressful environment to work in. You know the thing in Office Space with the Bobs. It was like that. They would set up conference rooms and in one day about a third of the managers on the floor got canned. My boss had issues with the VP and he soon after got canned. It was fucked up. Conference room and when he got out security was already there to take his badge and escort him out of the building.

The entire time the whole company knew that he was banging some mid level advertising manager and promoted her to advertising VP. I just left.

All of that being said, the board did the right thing and fired him and overall after they fixed the guy at the top it's a great place to work. Full, comprehensive health dental optical, 8% matching on 401k contributions, 10% yearly bonus, and little things. Stuff like gyms in every building, good food with multiple choices in the cafeterias, the grounds had all sorts of sports fields and courts. I definitely wouldn't complain about my salary.

As an institution considering what happened with the banking bullshit from a couple of years ago is worthy of respect. Not to mention they are a stalwart of the city. McDermott did a lot for this city. They fucked up and brought in a guy from Citicorp but made it right and I think your digs are pretty ignorant.

Anyway, do you need the XXL or XXXL? And also I was curious do those pit stains have you had them your entire life or is that just something you picked up now that your one of the Golden Girls? I ask cause I'm worried that it might happen to me when I get that age.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So my research bitch is fine with digging up info on anything I ask, but he doesn't even have the nuts to offer up his own opinions and feelings on a subject he seems so passionate about?

Fuzzy, I've been doing this for a long time, trolling that is. I got you to run around here the last week trying to refute everything I've claimed, while doing nothing myself but egg you on. You couldn't help but get suckered in, to my enjoyment of course. It's been a while since I've had the time or been bored enough to do such a thing. But I felt strong enough about these attacks on my personal freedoms to give it go, once again. You can not answer the questions I've now posed because anything you answer will contradict the hours of research you've put in to prove me wrong. You are fucked in a corner. Game over.

:lol Name dropping Manny.


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I'm not talking to you and here you are again.

Whats size you want? XS? The mugs cheaper if you cannot afford the T-shirt, but you get no discount.

Oh and if you have to tell me you are trolling to try and make it seem like you got one over on me then that means you failed at it. The point is to try and get other people to laugh at me about it, jackass.

[CosmicCowboy]

Six years ago. I got out of there because of Bob Davis and then they fired his ass a few months later. It was not a pleasant time to work there tbh. The perks were great but that dude created a stressful environment to work in. You know the thing in Office Space with the Bobs. It was like that. They would set up conference rooms and in one day about a third of the managers on the floor got canned. My boss had issues with the VP and he soon after got canned. It was fucked up. Conference room and when he got out security was already there to take his badge and escort him out of the building.

The entire time the whole company knew that he was banging some mid level advertising manager and promoted her to advertising VP. I just left.

All of that being said, the board did the right thing and fired him and overall after they fixed the guy at the top it's a great place to work. Full, comprehensive health dental optical, 8% matching on 401k contributions, 10% yearly bonus, and little things. Stuff like gyms in every building, good food with multiple choices in the cafeterias, the grounds had all sorts of sports fields and courts. I definitely wouldn't complain about my salary.

As an institution considering what happened with the banking bullshit from a couple of years ago is worthy of respect. Not to mention they are a stalwart of the city. McDermott did a lot for this city. They fucked up and brought in a guy from Citicorp but made it right and I think your digs are pretty ignorant.

Anyway, do you need the XXL or XXXL? And also I was curious do those pit stains have you had them your entire life or is that just something you picked up now that your one of the Golden Girls? I ask cause I'm worried that it might happen to me when I get that age.

Obviously google is your friend mop boy. Only took you 45 minutes to answer when you were logged in. Tell Momma hi.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol

Now you are checking timestamps. I don't think I ever logged out, but I'm going to bed. Hopefully, you can find a man that loves you but I ain't the one.

[CosmicCowboy]

BTW good night poser mop boy. It's been fun owning your fat ass. Some of us really have real jobs to go to tomorrow. Say Hi to Mom.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My mother died of cancer but thanks. Stay classy, San Diego.

[Wild Cobra]

Official ask a Fuzzy Lumpkins anything and not get a straight answer thread

Why bother?

Every other thread he is asked a question in is like that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why bother?

Every other thread he is asked a question in is like that.

Examples?

[The Reckoning]

My mother died of cancer but thanks. Stay classy, San Diego.

:cry

[Wild Cobra]

Examples?
Why?

Everyone here agrees.

I'm not going to waste my time. Maybe you should show us examples that dispute the OP instead.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:cry

Yeah I'm really crying. Thanks for the internet aspergers though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why?

Everyone here agrees.

I'm not going to waste my time. Maybe you should show us examples that dispute the OP instead.

Oh now you speak for everyone..... that's a fallacy anyway.

What I myself see is your usual routine of making a claim, being unable to provide a shred of supporting evidence, and then trying to go the intellectual cowardice route. You always do that when you want something to be true but there is no empirical reason for anyone else to believe it.

[Wild Cobra]

Oh now you speak for everyone..... that's a fallacy anyway.

Not really, but I think my words were a safe assessment.

Is anyone going to come out and defend you?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not really, but I think my words were a safe assessment.

Is anyone going to come out and defend you?

I think your full of shit. You would think if it's a sae assessment it would be easy to name an example yet you can't. That's dishonest at best.

[Wild Cobra]

I think your full of shit. You would think if it's a sae assessment it would be easy to name an example yet you can't. That's dishonest at best.
You think? Maybe I've been around you too much. You must be rubbing off.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You think? Maybe I've been around you too much. You must be rubbing off.

Maybe you: "want something to be true but there is no empirical reason for anyone else to believe it."

You've been around me too much and you cannot name a single thing. That does not present your position in a better light. Critical thinking. Anyway my point is made and I am not really wanting to deal with your insipid bullshit first thing in the AM.

[Wild Cobra]

I think it's just fun to watch you squirm like you are.

[AussieFanKurt]

whats the meaning of life?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

whats the meaning of life?

there is no objective answer to that. hedonism sounds fun though.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think it's just fun to watch you squirm like you are.

don't flatter yourself pendejo. if you want to make someone squirm you actually need to pin something on them. take heart in that you annoyed me. then again that you exist annoys me.

[AussieFanKurt]

didn't get a straight answer :cry

[AussieFanKurt]

who was your first root

[George Gervin's Afro]

So my research bitch is fine with digging up info on anything I ask, but he doesn't even have the nuts to offer up his own opinions and feelings on a subject he seems so passionate about?

Fuzzy, I've been doing this for a long time, trolling that is. I got you to run around here the last week trying to refute everything I've claimed, while doing nothing myself but egg you on. You couldn't help but get suckered in, to my enjoyment of course. It's been a while since I've had the time or been bored enough to do such a thing. But I felt strong enough about these attacks on my personal freedoms to give it go, once again. You can not answer the questions I've now posed because anything you answer will contradict the hours of research you've put in to prove me wrong. You are fucked in a corner. Game over.

lol... you're not that smart

[FuzzyLumpkins]

who was your first root

Mandrake

[Blake]

http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i.huffpost.com/gen/600979/thumbs/o-TIME-MAGAZINE-570.jpg?4&sa=X&ei=aif2UOrcG4jY2AWXyYHwCg&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNEvAabRWIcMshVHggYMzwzexa9Zmw


that cover will never not be stunning

[DisAsTerBot]

ugh, i hated working at USAA

[TheSanityAnnex]

lol... you're not that smart

lol...yes I am. Stop being such a cocksmooch and open your eyes. Look at how he's still refusing to answer my OP, he's got his head in the sand. You think this all happened by dumb luck? He's a hypocritical coward who's been exposed.

[TSA]

Examples?

Well this one right here is a good start. I don't think I've ever seen someone dodge questions like this after apparently being so passionate and knowledgable about said subject.

[DMC]

Fuzzy's issue is that he posts as if he thinks he knows more than he does. He's stated that he's moderated so many hundred "debates" and my experience with those types is that they think they've absorbed intelligence inductively through association. It's the same as a Best Buy dipshit who works in the PC area telling you how SSDs work as if he's a wiz. Dude, you work for damn near minimum wage. Comp pros are making decent money in IT groups everywhere yet you're stuck at BB. So that in itself isn't that hard to overlook, but when someone responds in a condescending manner and tries to bow up with the knowledge people, I find it's time to open a can of intellectual whoopass. So he reads it, realizes he's beaten and pulls the old debate tricks out like ad homs and every other logical fallacy in the book in an attempt to tangent the attention to other things. An honest person will conceded a point and move on, but he pretends he already knew, he tries to avoid making any real statements and tries to ride the fence on issues to avoid being called out, though attacking you for facts you present.

He's basically the same as CD just with fewer posts and less gayness. It's not uncommon at all to encounter these types on debate forums. They feign knowledge of things but answer in general terms, then lambast someone else they feel isn't as adept at defending themselves as he thinks he is, until someone like me comes along and takes a huge shit on his world and he leaves, 4 times.

[spursncowboys]

Rosie, Oprah and Honey Boo Boo's mom

Gotta kill one, boink one and marry one...Go

[TSA]

Fuzzy's issue is that he posts as if he thinks he knows more than he does. He's stated that he's moderated so many hundred "debates" and my experience with those types is that they think they've absorbed intelligence inductively through association. It's the same as a Best Buy dipshit who works in the PC area telling you how SSDs work as if he's a wiz. Dude, you work for damn near minimum wage. Comp pros are making decent money in IT groups everywhere yet you're stuck at BB. So that in itself isn't that hard to overlook, but when someone responds in a condescending manner and tries to bow up with the knowledge people, I find it's time to open a can of intellectual whoopass. So he reads it, realizes he's beaten and pulls the old debate tricks out like ad homs and every other logical fallacy in the book in an attempt to tangent the attention to other things. An honest person will conceded a point and move on, but he pretends he already knew, he tries to avoid making any real statements and tries to ride the fence on issues to avoid being called out, though attacking you for facts you present.

He's basically the same as CD just with fewer posts and less gayness. It's not uncommon at all to encounter these types on debate forums. They feign knowledge of things but answer in general terms, then lambast someone else they feel isn't as adept at defending themselves as he thinks he is, until someone like me comes along and takes a huge shit on his world and he leaves, 4 times.

For as much as he boasted about honor I'm shocked he hasn't at least dropped in to admit he was wrong. Shows what kind of man he really is, a coward.

[CosmicCowboy]

Rosie, Oprah and Honey Boo Boo's mom

Gotta kill one, boink one and marry one...Go

I shoot myself with the bullet.

[DMC]

Rosie, Oprah and Honey Boo Boo's mom

Gotta kill one, boink one and marry one...Go

That's easy. Kill rosie, boink ugly ass boo mom and marry Oprah. Oprah is rich and likes her space. Rosie is a bull dyke, no boinking or marriage and offing her would be great. I would need therapy after the boo boo mom thing though.

[ChumpDumper]

I couldn't be more in DMC's head if I tried.

[DMC]

I couldn't be more in DMC's head if I tried.

You could give me head if you tried.

[TSA]

Hey Fuzzy, nice of you to stop by, got anything you'd like to answer or should we just expect silence in this thread?

[ChumpDumper]

You could give me head if you tried.Still fantasizing about me.

[DMC]

That pic of a guy with his mouth open like he's about to suck a dick, that's how I picture you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just got back from the game. I would say that I love you too guys but I don't.

Really though. It's bad enough that you follow me around like groupies when I am actually here. But now when I am not here TSA is still trying to convince everyone that he's only been making an ass out of himself to troll me --again when I am not here-- CC wants to know where I live and work like flaglot, and DMC is writing love soliloquies about me.

I mean, hell, you are starting threads about me so you guys can get together and complain that you don't like how I answer your questions. When I am here you get together to commiserate about how poorly you are treated. You know that scene at the end of Jerry McGuire where they are having their manhater pow-wow? Well I ain't coming throught that door and you aren't getting to say "you had me at hello," bitches.

[DMC]

Just got back from the game. I would say that I love you too guys but I don't.

Really though. It's bad enough that you follow me around like groupies when I am actually here. But now when I am not here TSA is still trying to convince everyone that he's only been making an ass out of himself to troll me --again when I am not here-- CC wants to know where I live and work like flaglot, and DMC is writing love soliloquies about me.

I mean, hell, you are starting threads about me so you guys can get together and complain that you don't like how I answer your questions. When I am here you get together to commiserate about how poorly you are treated. You know that scene at the end of Jerry McGuire where they are having their manhater pow-wow? Well I ain't coming throught that door and you aren't getting to say "you had me at hello," bitches.

lol jumping on the forum to say "you aren't trolling me".

You obviously don't know how it works.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah because that's what I said. You guys really do act like angry women. Oh answer my question! Thats what I said but thats not what I meant. I fantasize about having sex with you. Can I come over to your place?

I'm just waiting for you three to have a cat fight.

[ChumpDumper]

That pic of a guy with his mouth open like he's about to suck a dick, that's how I picture you.I'm not at all surprised that's how you interpret it.

[TSA]

I mean, hell, you are starting threads about me so you guys can get together and complain that you don't like how I answer your questions.
:lmao you are such a dumbshit coward. You refuse to answer the questions.

[TSA]

Thanks for stopping by though, don't forget to take your vagina with you on the way out.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lmao you are such a dumbshit coward. You refuse to answer the questions.

How was book club with the girls?

[TSA]

Good night sweety.

Poor Fuzzy doesn't even have his liberal buddies to tuck him in anymore after this last act of cowardice. So much for integrity and honor.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL... Look at what fuzzy does here, true to form, in another thread:




Ever study Fluid Dynamics? Think of the windmills as resistance/restrictions. This in turn reduces the volume of the air flow with the same delta-P. (pressure gradient with no change.)

Did you read the part of one article I linked about the turbulence vs. laminar flow? Do you know what laminar flow is? How turbulence changes things?



:lol fluid dynamics

Why don't you talk about refilling a parts bin or changing out a toilet? You know stuff that you actually know how to do.


I do understand fluid dynamics. For you to act as if it doesn't apply shows you clearly do not understand.


So do you restock it yourself or do you have to fill out forms or otherwise have someone else do it?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The first post wasn't to me. It was to agloco.

I haven't studied the NS equations. The wave/heat equations and a whole lot of harmonic analysis is as close as I got. There are PDEs in some of that but I cannot say that I know how to manipulate the NS equations proficiently. I don't have the experience and I am okay with that. I am certainly not going to come on here and pretend like I do.

That's what you do and you have hardly better than a HS education.

[Wild Cobra]

The first post wasn't to me. It was to agloco.
Who cares? You jumped in. I was saying fluid dynamics applied. I understand enough to know how they apply. I was asking Agloco if he understood. You, were being a typicality straw man builder to see what you could knock down.

And you think you have honor...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're an idiot. Your google search does not make you qualified to quantify a damn thing. Of course various dynamics apply. The point is you don't know HOW to apply them. And are you drunk? even ignoring the formatting it was barely coherent.

[Wild Cobra]

You're an idiot. Your google search does not make you qualified to quantify a damn thing. Of course various dynamics apply. The point is you don't know HOW to apply them. And are you drunk? even ignoring the formatting it was barely coherent.
My God man...

I have worked with it. Practical applications, in jobs.

You think you are so smart telling others what they don't know, which only proves how foolish you are.

The fact that you have to take a topic, and make it about what you think I don't know, instead of addressing the topic itself, farther proves how lame and pathetic you are.

Why don't you simply address the topic, or be quiet?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hey guys I built a plenum once so I know how to quantify the impact of wind turbines.

You installing a fan motor or changing an air filter does not qualify you to speak to:


We are not changing these levels by around a watt or so per square meter as claimed for CO2, but by hundreds of watts or more per square meter where these wind mills are.

For Manny to just blow off such a question is rather short sighted in my view.

I am the topic, dimwit. I am talking about what type of training one needs to make intelligent and accurate statements as to the quantitative impact of turbines on the climate. You don't have it yet you make shitty claims like the above. Like I said this type of thing is why I treat you like shit. You in essence are lying to us. You have no possible way of knowing "by hundreds of watts or more per square meter."

Or better yet show us the model and the formulas you used to come to that conclusion. You modeled of course, right? What equations did you use. What assumptions did you make. What in any way did you make an intelligent attempt to make that claim. Please tell me and I will apologize. Otherwise like I said, you are intentionally misleading us by making shit up and presenting it as fact.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

You haven't shamefully crawled back into your hole yet?

How about asking me the relevant questions in the thread instead of accusing me like you do, or are you afraid that if you ask real questions that pertain to what I said, I will prove you wrong about me?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL...

You haven't shamefully crawled back into your hole yet?

How about asking me the relevant questions in the thread instead of accusing me like you do, or are you afraid that if you ask real questions that pertain to what I said, I will prove you wrong about me?

Look at the title of thread. Think about it a bit. I am the topic of this thread. You are in my world now, bitch.

I notice that you do not want to talk about how you came to the numbers. Seems the only dissembling douchebag here is you. Just admit that you are talking out of your ass and we can move on.

[Wild Cobra]

I'll give you a hint. The hundreds or thousands of watts/square meter is the kinetic energy in the wind that is changed to electricity, friction, and heat loss. I never said it changes the radiative forcing by that much. It removes that much energy from the wind, which now have less energy to promote convection and exchanges of latent heat. Now convection and latent heat do change temperatures and radiative forcing. It also changes the dynamics of the air flow. If you cannot get past these simple truths of science, then bug off.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I didn't ask for your general guess. I asked for the models and the formulas you used to come to that number. I asked what assumptions you made ie initial conditions, gradients from the IC etc. Your EZ Bake science level derived from wikipedia or whatever other shit you found on google isn't good enough. If you want to make claims like that then back it up with something legitimate. Or cite someone who is legitimate.

[Wild Cobra]

I didn't ask for your general guess. I asked for the models and the formulas you used to come to that number. I asked what assumptions you made ie initial conditions, gradients from the IC etc. Your EZ Bake science level derived from wikipedia or whatever other shit you found on google isn't good enough. If you want to make claims like that then back it up with something legitimate. Or cite someone who is legitimate.
I don't know how to explain to you the way I see it in my head. It isn't numbers, but visualized patterns. What I can hypothesis is backed up by various studies. They have the numbers. I posted a couple links, and if you search, there are plenty of studies out there. Even NASA says the wind farms in Texas have caused a 0.73 degree anomalously above similar areas without wind power.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't know how to explain to you the way I see it in my head. It isn't numbers, but visualized patterns. What I can hypothesis is backed up by various studies. They have the numbers. I posted a couple links, and if you search, there are plenty of studies out there. Even NASA says the wind farms in Texas have caused a 0.73 degree anomalously above similar areas without wind power.

Bullshit. Whatever nonsense you have in your head is you making shit up. You have named some variables not even attempted to model the system or describe how said interact. What you have is mickey mouse bullshit.

And your google search only came up with .73 degree anomaly.? Thats too bad because your numbers are in terms of power. You really want to get back to thermodynamics and your assumptions on grey bodies? We going to illuminate more of your bullshit?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh and what formulas are you planning on using in relating these phenomenon? What you got?

[Wild Cobra]

Oh and what formulas are you planning on using in relating these phenomenon? What you got?
Are you really that blind? The studies are out there. The 0.73 is out there. When I first asked the question, I had a clear visual of what occurs. I later started looking for links, and there are many. Including how wind power over the seas change the surface flow, and makes mixing deeper. I don't care about the numbers, I was never claiming a degree of change. That is your stupid box you keep trying to squeeze me in, on this thread and others, and you continue to fail. You think you win, but you don't. I just refuse to play that game.

My question to you is this.

Does the use of wind power have an anthropogenic change to climate or not?

My claim is that it does. I am not claiming how much. Only that it does.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am not making the claim. I am asking what model and what ICs, formulas, feedbacks etc you used to justify the number that you claimed. Now you are claiming that there is a .73 temperature number in some random study that you don't link.

You did claim how much now you are saying that you're not making the claims. You don't care about the numbers but you are more than comfortable to say what the numbers are. You weasely dissembling scumbag. Here is you doing it:


We are not changing these levels by around a watt or so per square meter as claimed for CO2, but by hundreds of watts or more per square meter where these wind mills are.

For Manny to just blow off such a question is rather short sighted in my view.

As to your question: I don't know. I am not going to make claims about things I do not know. That's your deal.

[Wild Cobra]

Aren't you ever tired of owning yourself?

Fail...

Lack of context...

This precedes what you quoted of me:

We are removing kinetic energy from nature, that affects our atmosphere.

Fail...

Improper timeline...

Manny blew me off before I stated anything. He blew me off from the initial question.

It is funny watching you own yourself.

Must I really explain this as if speaking to a 3 year old:

We are removing kinetic energy from nature, that affects our atmosphere. We are not changing these levels by around a watt or so per square meter as claimed for CO2, but by hundreds of watts or more per square meter where these wind mills are.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where

are

you

getting

hundreds of

watts

from,

dumbass.

[Wild Cobra]

Where

are

you

getting

hundreds of

watts

from,

dumbass.
The kinetic energy in airflow is close to 100 watts/square meter at 10 MPH. At 20 MPH, it is 800 watts/sq meter, 30 MPH it is 2,700 watts/square meter, etc. It is a cube function. Wind mills are as much as 40% efficient. They do not create this energy, they take it from the airflow.

Aren't you tired of owning yourself yet?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The kinetic energy in airflow is close to 100 watts/square meter at 10 MPH. At 20 MPH, it is 800 watts/sq meter, 30 MPH it is 2,700 watts/square meter, etc. It is a cube function. Wind mills are as much as 40% efficient. They do not create this energy, they take it from the airflow.

Aren't you tired of owning yourself yet?

That isn't an answer. That is at best an initial condition. As agloco explained to you wind shear is a gradient. Further the turbine is not the only thing that impacts the system like say.... the I dunno the GROUND and a whole manner of feedbacks and things I don't know because I don't study, aerodynamics, wind and the dynamics thereof.

But with you were getting 1000 * .4 = 400. See its hundreds of watts why doesn't Manny listen to my stupid shit?

This is your ez bake oven analysis and napkin math just like I predicted. Thats not even a model. But hey we know what your doing and your dumbass is going with the oversimplified explanation. A simple answer for a simple mind.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And I just want to point out something that I know dumbass hasnt considered. Dumbass taunted someone about laminar and turbulent flow when he first read the wiki page but turbulent flow is extremely hard to model. Him pretending like he knows that is really funny because if you did 'understand' it you would be a Nobel Prize winner. Depending on IC it goes in many many different directions. Half of the fractals that you see are based on similar functions. They all do different things.

The effects of that phenomenon I would imagine are difficult to quantify at all. The NS equations do crazy crazy stuff with nondeterministic flow. I have studied some of those models. It's mindboggling.

But hey we have Dr EZ-bake so we should go with that.

[Wild Cobra]

That isn't an answer. That is at best an initial condition. As agloco explained to you wind shear is a gradient. Further the turbine is not the only thing that impacts the system like say.... the I dunno the GROUND and a whole manner of feedbacks and things I don't know because I don't study, aerodynamics, wind and the dynamics thereof.

But with you were getting 1000 * .4 = 400. See its hundreds of watts why doesn't Manny listen to my stupid shit?

This is your ez bake oven analysis and napkin math just like I predicted. Thats not even a model. But hey we know what your doing and your dumbass is going with the oversimplified explanation. A simple answer for a simple mind.You are losing it Fuzzy...

You asked me where I was getting hundreds of watts. I showed you. You still have this unhealthy compulsion to try to find fault in others, and it almost always backfires on you.

You really should stop owning yourself.

[Wild Cobra]

And I just want to point out something that I know dumbass hasnt considered. Dumbass taunted someone about laminar and turbulent flow when he first read the wiki page but turbulent flow is extremely hard to model. Him pretending like he knows that is really funny because if you did 'understand' it you would be a Nobel Prize winner. Depending on IC it goes in many many different directions. Half of the fractals that you see are based on similar functions. They all do different things.

The effects of that phenomenon I would imagine are difficult to quantify at all. The NS equations do crazy crazy stuff with nondeterministic flow. I have studied some of those models. It's mindboggling.

But hey we have Dr EZ-bake so we should go with that.
Building another strawman I see.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Oh im not losing it.

you have done IC - efficiency coefficient * IC = output. thats the 'amazing' model you have in your head. We have the proof right here:


The kinetic energy in airflow is close to 100 watts/square meter at 10 MPH. At 20 MPH, it is 800 watts/sq meter, 30 MPH it is 2,700 watts/square meter, etc. It is a cube function. Wind mills are as much as 40% efficient. They do not create this energy, they take it from the airflow.

They sure took it didn't they. The wind shears off of that comes at different angles, comes off at different angles, create eddies etc. I don't know that shit really at all so I am not going to front on it. But hey you installed a fan motor so you have practical experience.

[Wild Cobra]

Still losing it.

I don't recall ever installing a fan motor. Multi axis robots... Yes!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your a real piece of shit.


We are removing kinetic energy from nature, that affects our atmosphere. We are not changing these levels by around a watt or so per square meter as claimed for CO2, but by hundreds of watts or more per square meter where these wind mills are.

For Manny to just blow off such a question is rather short sighted in my view.

That's your initial statement. Youre a deceiving little shit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Still losing it.

I don't recall ever installing a fan motor. Multi axis robots... Yes!

Uh huh.

I'm sure an automated riveter taught you so much about dynamic flow. I also think its funny that youre a technician that thinks he knows more than the engineers that are telling you what part to change. Must burn your ass. Also explains why youre butthurt about your union. But hey you still work there.

[Wild Cobra]

Your a real piece of shit.



That's your initial statement. Youre a deceiving little shit
How so?

Serious question. How am I deceiving?

If a windmill is generating from the wind, 300 watts/square meter, then it must remove more than 300 watts per square meter from the wind.

Am I right or wrong?

Or do you think it breaks the laws of thermodynamics?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How so?

Serious question. How am I deceiving?

If a windmill is generating from the wind, 300 watts/square meter, then it must remove more than 300 watts per square meter from the wind.

Am I right or wrong?

Or do you think it breaks the laws of thermodynamics?

No I am saying that input - windmill efficieny*input = output is an ignorant model. No, I know it's a simpleminded model that I would expect from you.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because this is a thread about me answering questions how you are being misleading is because you are making the statement that it's changing by hundreds of watts. I ask you where you get hundreds of watts several times. You give me several wind energies and say thats what you were talking about. No originally you were talking about how much energy was being taken out of the system was in terms of hundreds of watts.

Deceptive was probably unfair because in retrospect I don't think your doing it intentionally. You just don't know what your talking about so it becomes confusing to follow your guessing. I retract that and will go with misleading.

[Wild Cobra]

Because this is a thread about me answering questions how you are being misleading is because you are making the statement that it's changing by hundreds of watts. I ask you where you get hundreds of watts several times. You give me several wind energies and say thats what you were talking about. No originally you were talking about how much energy was being taken out of the system was in terms of hundreds of watts.

Deceptive was probably unfair because in retrospect I don't think your doing it intentionally. You just don't know what your talking about so it becomes confusing to follow your guessing. I retract that and will go with misleading.
LOL...

Just because you don't know what I'm talking about...

You have a serious problem. For what ever reason, you have to find fault in others. For you, I think it is a tunnel vision type thing. You can only focus on a strand of something you think you have control of, and don't see anything else. You seriously own yourself that way, and think you are getting over on others. What idiotic arrogance.

Not my fault you didn't understand my words when I said we were taking hundreds of watts of kinetic energy per meter from nature. A smart person would have asked for clarification. I figured most people knew I would be speaking of wind direction because that was the topic at hand. Not my fault if you assumed downward forcing.

It's the bully mentality pathetic asses of this world who have to accuse without merit, like yourself, instead of ask. Any idea how pathetic it makes you look?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, I have just found fault in you. I really really hate people that try and act like they know what they are talking about when they don't. When you try and act like you can speak more on climate than Manny on the basis of such stupid shit like this it bothers me. Then you continue to do it over and over and over and over again. Then you say that racist shit it bothers me. Whenever anyone says racist shit it bothers me.

I quite honestly think it's wrong in every sense of the word wrong. Fuck man, you have tried to justify sterilization programs to me.

I don't have a problem with most people here. RG, EN, MiG, TSA, L, Blake, bout, Clip, WH, bouts, snc, DMX, trill, creep, mouse ,bb ag, dan, yoni, teysha and most everyone else. I know I get into it with CC because he likes being callous towards whats going on with future generations but hey whatevs. I really don't think he is earnest about it. I know I am argumentative and I piss people off like RG and WH but I don't find 'fault' in them.

I do have serious problems with both you and DMC because you support the tenants and in your case specific policies of eugenics. You flat out said you wanted a sterilization project associated with social services for the poor. I have absolutely no issue in finding fault with people that think that's a good idea. And stuff like what were talking about now is how you go about trying to justify shit like it. You just make shit up and guess the way you want it to be.

I've told you before. You might as well put me on ignore because it's not going to change. When I say that I have contempt for you, I actually mean it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So anyway WC when a new engineer comes in fresh out of OSU or something similar, and I know you work 2nd shift so you get a lot of them, when they tell you what to do and then ignore your suggestions and whatnot how much does it piss you off?

[DMC]

Still losing it.

I don't recall ever installing a fan motor. Multi axis robots... Yes!

Bolt it in and connect a Winchester or Cannon plug, teach, lunch.

[DMC]

No, I have just found fault in you. I really really hate people that try and act like they know what they are talking about when they don't. When you try and act like you can speak more on climate than Manny on the basis of such stupid shit like this it bothers me. Then you continue to do it over and over and over and over again. Then you say that racist shit it bothers me. Whenever anyone says racist shit it bothers me.

I quite honestly think it's wrong in every sense of the word wrong. Fuck man, you have tried to justify sterilization programs to me.

I don't have a problem with most people here. RG, EN, MiG, TSA, L, Blake, bout, Clip, WH, bouts, snc, DMX, trill, creep, mouse ,bb ag, dan, yoni, teysha and most everyone else. I know I get into it with CC because he likes being callous towards whats going on with future generations but hey whatevs. I really don't think he is earnest about it. I know I am argumentative and I piss people off like RG and WH but I don't find 'fault' in them.

I do have serious problems with both you and DMC because you support the tenants and in your case specific policies of eugenics. You flat out said you wanted a sterilization project associated with social services for the poor. I have absolutely no issue in finding fault with people that think that's a good idea. And stuff like what were talking about now is how you go about trying to justify shit like it. You just make shit up and guess the way you want it to be.

I've told you before. You might as well put me on ignore because it's not going to change. When I say that I have contempt for you, I actually mean it.

And CD pointed out that abortion has played a role in lowering the crime rates. Abortion is basically eugenics of the poor, on a voluntary basis. The wealthy aren't having abortions.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And CD pointed out that abortion has played a role in lowering the crime rates. Abortion is basically eugenics of the poor, on a voluntary basis. The wealthy aren't having abortions.

No, its not. If someone gets an abortion because they fucked a poor guy or say a mexican and think the kid is going to be somehow undesirable on that basis then sure. If they do gene mapping on the kid and determine its MR and they abort it then its justifiable to call that eugenics if you believe that a zygote is really a person.

I mean you have read Galton's stuff right? He is like the grand poobah of you scumbags. He links that stuff to genetics like you do and says we need to implement systems such as a sterilization program to reduce their populations. That's eugenics.

Some poor mother that cannot make ends meet or just doesn't like kids or there is serious danger to her or any other of the many reasons a woman chooses to abort the fetus then that's not eugenics. No more than killing some person in self defense.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And just to be clear. Saying that poor people commit more crime is not eugenics. OTOH saying that poor people have a genetic reason for being poor and as such they commit crime, that is eugenics.

In the former case, the basis of the economic status is circumstantial. When you start conflating class with genetics thats when it becomes eugenics. Since Watson and Crick, most people aren't that ignorant. However there are still those like yourself that conflate the notion of race with genetics.

[DMC]

No, its not. If someone gets an abortion because they fucked a poor guy or say a mexican and think the kid is going to be somehow undesirable on that basis then sure. If they do gene mapping on the kid and determine its MR and they abort it then its justifiable to call that eugenics if you believe that a zygote is really a person.

I mean you have read Galton's stuff right? He is like the grand poobah of you scumbags. He links that stuff to genetics like you do and says we need to implement systems such as a sterilization program to reduce their populations. That's eugenics.

Some poor mother that cannot make ends meet or just doesn't like kids or there is serious danger to her or any other of the many reasons a woman chooses to abort the fetus then that's not eugenics. No more than killing some person in self defense.
I am not the one who linked genetics to predisposition for crime. I merely pointed it out.

The poor have abortions at a much higher rate than the rich (never mind that there are more of them).

The effect is the same, fewer low income minorities that would otherwise exist. While the wealthy white/middle class white are having babies, the poorer folks are not. A large percentage of those are minorities. The gene pool is therefore altered.

[DMC]

And just to be clear. Saying that poor people commit more crime is not eugenics. OTOH saying that poor people have a genetic reason for being poor and as such they commit crime, that is eugenics.

In the former case, the basis of the economic status is circumstantial. When you start conflating class with genetics thats when it becomes eugenics. Since Watson and Crick, most people aren't that ignorant. However there are still those like yourself that conflate the notion of race with genetics.

Actually no. Eugenics is holding the position that they should be weeded out in the gene pool. Noting that genetics play a role in our decisions isn't eugenics any more than noting that black athletes comprise most of professional sports is racist.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am not the one who linked genetics to predisposition for crime. I merely pointed it out.

The poor have abortions at a much higher rate than the rich (never mind that there are more of them).

The effect is the same, fewer low income minorities that would otherwise exist. While the wealthy white/middle class white are having babies, the poorer folks are not. A large percentage of those are minorities. The gene pool is therefore altered.

No you think that by combining three separate unrelated studies you made a compelling case for it to be true. It wasn't compelling.

Googling for racial hatred! woohoo. So you really think there is a different genetic profile for a mexican versus say you?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually no. Eugenics is holding the position that they should be weeded out in the gene pool. Noting that genetics play a role in our decisions isn't eugenics any more than noting that black athletes comprise most of professional sports is racist.

Yeah I suppose that is true. So then you advocate 'weeding them out' you cool with that?

[DMC]

And as long as people like Fuzzy turn a blind eye to the elephants in the room, there will always be side dishes being addressed but not the main course. The desire to not offend, to be politically correct over powers your desire to find the answers.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And as long as people like Fuzzy turn a blind eye to the elephants in the room, there will always been the side dishes being addressed but not the main course. The desire to not offend, to be politically correct over powers your desire to find the answers.

I just asked you a straight question. You going to answer it?

[DMC]

Yeah I suppose that is true. So then you advocate 'weeding them out' you cool with that?

Why the red herring? You said my position was one of eugenics, and you have been saying so for quite some time. I pointed out to you that it's not and you never concede, you just ask me a question about my stance.

Don't you already know everything? You've been harping on how I support eugenics.

[DMC]

No you think that by combining three separate unrelated studies you made a compelling case for it to be true. It wasn't compelling.

Googling for racial hatred! woohoo. So you really think there is a different genetic profile for a mexican versus say you?

Mexican? Not really. That would be a nationality.

Your primary fallback is to vilify your opponent. It doesn't work with me. I laid out the data, showed you the research, you never addressed it. You just kept addressing me.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I actually had two.

1) Do you think that there is a distinct different genetic profile for a latino as opposed to you?
2) Do you feel a program to 'weed out' these undesirables is a good policy decision?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm just trying to figure out what you think the evidence demonstrates. The case is being made by you, I am trying to flesh out the case that you make.

If you prefer you can change the 'you' in question 1 with 'a caucasian.'

[DMC]

I actually had two.

1) Do you think that there is a distinct different genetic profile for a latino as opposed to you?
2) Do you feel a program to 'weed out' these undesirables is a good policy decision?

Everyone here has a different genetic profile.

[DMC]

I'm just trying to figure out what you think the evidence demonstrates. The case is being made by you, I am trying to flesh out the case that you make.

If you prefer you can change the 'you' in question 1 with 'a caucasian.'

I explained already.

I am not a Caucasian. More assumptions by you based on gut feelings.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Okay. Is there a gene or genes that designate someone as latino?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I explained already.

I am not a Caucasian. More assumptions by you based on gut feelings.

Just because I substituted does not mean I conflated. Non sequitor.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and your avoiding the policy question.

[DMC]

Just because I substituted does not mean I conflated. Non sequitor.

I think it's obvious. Why would you randomly pick a race then ask me if two different races have two different genetic profiles?

[DMC]

and your avoiding the policy question.

Not answering it and avoiding it are not the same things. Can you post the policy here so I can read it, or do I need to just take your blurb as the entire policy?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think it's obvious. Why would you randomly pick a race then ask me if two different races have two different genetic profiles?

are you going to ask the new form of the question or question #2?

[DMC]

Okay. Is there a gene or genes that designate someone as latino?
Google is your friend.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is there any policy that reduces the population of those that have undesirable genetic traits that you find is a good policy decision because of said basis?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Google is your friend.

I know what I think. I am asking you if you find that to be true. You are dissembling.

[DMC]

Okay. Is there a gene or genes that designate someone as latino?
I see no reason to answer your questions since you never answer any.

[TSA]

I see Fuzzy has now found his little nut sack and is both asking and answering questions. Lets try this again.






Fuzzy, you own a gun correct? If you are so desperate to follow Australia's lead why haven't you given your gun up? I'm guessing you keep it for protection no? Do you think it's fair the Australian's had to give up their firearms used for protection? Do you think the criminals gave up their guns? Do you think it is now easier for criminals to commit crimes being that they are the only ones with guns now and have nothing to fear but a baseball bat and a knife?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see no reason to answer your questions since you never answer any.

You know with all of your semantic dissembling that this statement is not true. I would also posit that you are both a coward and a liar.

[DMC]

You know with all of your semantic dissembling that this statement is not true. I would also posit that you are both a coward and a liar.

I am not the one running from the truth and launching ad homs to cover my escape.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

We both know that you do not want to answer the question about whether or not you support policies that 'weed out' --your word choice-- undesirable traits as well as the question about whether or not you found that there was a genetic basis for race.

We also know that you have complained about asking questions such as these are just an attempt to vilify.

We also both know which answer for each yes or no question would be found socially undesirable by most and thus defame you.

We also know that a refusal to answer the question would be interpreted by many as an avoidance of the socially undesirable answer.

We also know that an direct affirmative answer of the question would be interpreted by most everyone as socially undesirable.

We also know that a negative answer of the questions would be interpreted by most as socially desirable.

Thus I find no difficulty in concluding that your refusal to answer the question is because you would prefer that some people find you socially undesirable rather than the significant majority of people.

This argument I make here is for the sake of everyone else. I am not going to run around in circles because of your cowardly dissembling. Characterize this all you like as you do in the above. On this I rest my case.

[TSA]

We also know you are a liar and a coward.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So does anyone else have a question for me?

[TSA]

What should my next firearm purchase be?

[clambake]

something with balls

[DMC]

We both know that you do not want to answer the question about whether or not you support policies that 'weed out' --your word choice-- undesirable traits as well as the question about whether or not you found that there was a genetic basis for race.

You are asking me if I support eugenics. The "weed out" statement is in reference to eugenics, which you improperly classified my statement as, and which I pointed out to you and you avoided conceding that point, opting instead to launch into a series of diversionary questions about my personal beliefs.


We also know that you have complained about asking questions such as these are just an attempt to vilify.

You use the term "eugenics" several times in describing the data I showed you. I showed you how you were wrong. You played the Hitler card. That's a clear attempt to vilify. That's done by people who are cornered and need to throw in the towel.


We also both know which answer for each yes or no question would be found socially undesirable by most and thus defame you.

You think this is a popularity contest. I am showing you scientific data, correlating data that wasn't compiled to make such connections, and you only consider your forum rep as if anyone here really gives two shits about you.


We also know that a refusal to answer the question would be interpreted by many as an avoidance of the socially undesirable answer.

I have a monkey dribbling a basketball in my avatar. Do you think I am concerned about "socially undesirable behavior"?


We also know that an direct affirmative answer of the question would be interpreted by most everyone as socially undesirable.

That's your concern, not mine.


We also know that a negative answer of the questions would be interpreted by most as socially desirable.

Again.


Thus I find no difficulty in concluding that your refusal to answer the question is because you would prefer that some people find you socially undesirable rather than the significant majority of people.

No, I didn't answer your questions because you don't merit a legit response. That's the option you're too stupid to get.


This argument I make here is for the sake of everyone else. I am not going to run around in circles because of your cowardly dissembling. Characterize this all you like as you do in the above. On this I rest my case.

You're such a martyr, defender of the morality, the good, against the tyranny of evil men like me. The Hitlers of the world.

Once again, you claim victory and that you're done. You aren't done. You've been embarrassed and you want some sort of a revenge feeling. You didn't address a single point I made, not one.

You're basically a low rent cubicle dweller, more concerned over your e-cred than in having a real adult conversation.

[Th'Pusher]

What should my next firearm purchase be?
Something not so aggressively gay.

[TSA]

Something not so aggressively gay.

Any suggestions?

[DMC]

What do you like to shoot? Buy something you will actually shoot. I have a 17 HMR that's a blast to shoot. Ammo isn't cheap like the .22 but it's a fun round and you can shoot long distance (killed a hog at 180 yards).

[TSA]

Is that round basically a necked down .223? I've seen the rounds just never the firearms that use them. I definitely am interested. Any makes or models you can recommend? No evil features please, don't want to scare the Fuzzys of the world.

[Wild Cobra]

Bolt it in and connect a Winchester or Cannon plug, teach, lunch.
Pretty much. The axial alignment takes a few minutes, and the teaching, longer.

[spursncowboys]

Something not so aggressively gay.
Do you ever make legit posts?
You are like a 50 year old cheerleader mom

[TSA]

NBC admits no AR15 used at Sandy Hook
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208224



Fuzzy will you answer different questions other than the ones I asked you in the OP?

[Th'Pusher]

Do you ever make legit posts?
You are like a 50 year old cheerleader mom

I'd say 90% legit 10% frivolous.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

NBC admits no AR15 used at Sandy Hook
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208224



Fuzzy will you answer different questions other than the ones I asked you in the OP?

:lol The drudge report is your go to for news.

[spursncowboys]

:lol The drudge report is your go to for news.
Most journalists check the drudge too.

[TSA]

:lol The drudge report is your go to for news.

As you can see I was asking if it was a dupe. I'm out of the Sandy Hook loop. Now that I see I'm not on your ignore list will you answer other questions besides the ones you refused to answer in the OP? I like debating with you.

[DMC]

Is that round basically a necked down .223? I've seen the rounds just never the firearms that use them. I definitely am interested. Any makes or models you can recommend? No evil features please, don't want to scare the Fuzzys of the world.

Nah, it's a necked down 22 mag.

I shoot a Ruger 77/17 with some "evil" in it. I have the barrel cut down and threaded for a suppressor.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

sup snc. you have a question for me?

[TSA]

I see how it is. What a bitch you are. So be it.

[spursncowboys]

sup snc. you have a question for me?
I already asked it and got no response from you.

[redzero]

Fuzzy, if a dog had access to an infinite amount of food, would it eat itself to death?

[Wild Cobra]

As you can see I was asking if it was a dupe. I'm out of the Sandy Hook loop. Now that I see I'm not on your ignore list will you answer other questions besides the ones you refused to answer in the OP? I like debating with you.
You should see the response he gave to the "NASA U-Turn..." thread I started. He quoted a "conclusion" to the minutes of a workshop report that didn't have such a thing. Unless someone reads it, they don't know. He's always full of BS.

[Wild Cobra]

So does anyone else have a question for me?
Yes.

I remember you once saying... I think your words were... "I don't suffer fools."

So my questions are:

1) How can you live with yourself?

2) To what degree are your suicidal tendencies?

http://www.hashemian.com/blog/images/nomad-star-trek.jpg

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes.

I remember you once saying... I think your words were... "I don't suffer fools."

So my questions are:

1) How can you live with yourself?

2) To what degree are your suicidal tendencies?

http://www.hashemian.com/blog/images/nomad-star-trek.jpg

Quite easily.

None.

Now I have a question. When you get told what part to change by a new hire engineer and when you give a suggestion and they ignore you and you have to do as you are told, how does that make you feel?

I'll tell you what. Tell me what plant you work at and I'll get a job there and instantly be above you. You can change the parts I tell you to.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, if a dog had access to an infinite amount of food, would it eat itself to death?

I am not sure but if I had to guess I would say no. Now would the dog eat to the point of puking quite often? I believe it would.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You should see the response he gave to the "NASA U-Turn..." thread I started. He quoted a "conclusion" to the minutes of a workshop report that didn't have such a thing. Unless someone reads it, they don't know. He's always full of BS.

Are you stupid or are you lying intentionally? I said:


The panel initially discussed where they were at in contained information about solar variabilty. The audience is then questioned if important topics had already been discussed. The response was that many had but there was more work to do. Basically what they said is that more data that is continuous in measurement as opposed to stops and starts would help the models better. This is obviously not a situation where they are saying that they have been blocked from their work. They are trying to refine their craft.

I also quoted from the summary:


This workshop report contains no recommendations, findings, or statements of consensus.
Instead, this workshop report summarizes the views expressed by individual workshop participants
(invited speakers and guests).

Not only did I not say what you claim but I also quoted something that said the panel had no conclusion. I simply described what the panel discussed and it wasn't a "u-turn." You've even admitted that the article is full of shit. You going back on that now?


I was not being dishonest. I will admit the article did not provide what I thought it would, but the silly shit is on you.

[Wild Cobra]

Here's a question for you.

Ever realize why 3 phase power was invented, and you answer of "for motors' is not the correct answer.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here's a question for you.

Ever realize why 3 phase power was invented, and you answer of "for motors' is not the correct answer.

Umm no try again. I never said that.

sin x + sin (x+180) versus sin x + sin (x+120) + sin (x+240).

That's what I told you but not as explicitly, flywheel. If you want to revisit that thread we can. We can always discuss your incompetence regarding capacitance. There are no high F caps you said which clearly indicated your ignorance to how they work. Oh and flywheels not storing energy was another gem from you.

Speaking to that since you want to play questions. How do you use diodes with caps in series to prevent bleeding? Why would you want to prevent bleeding?

Last time we found that you were ignorant to caps in parallel thus you claiming no high capacity caps. Google away, dipshit.

Oh and you keep dodging the question. How often do the engineers ignore you and when they do how does that make you feel? Does it hurt more when they are very young and green and treat you like the ignorant douchebag you are?

[DMC]

Umm no try again. I never said that.

sin x + sin (x+180) versus sin x + sin (x+120) + sin (x+240).

Sinner.


That's what I told you but not as explicitly, flywheel. If you want to revisit that thread we can. We can always discuss your incompetence regarding capacitance. There are no high F caps you said which clearly indicated your ignorance to how they work. Oh and flywheels not storing energy was another gem from you.

You have to define "high".


Speaking to that since you want to play questions. How do you use diodes with caps in series to prevent bleeding? Why would you want to prevent bleeding?

Duh... no one wants to bleed to death. You take the diodes and the caps, you wrap them together (you need a bunch of them) and you make a tourniquet.


Last time we found that you were ignorant to caps in parallel thus you claiming no high capacity caps. Google away, dipshit.

Fuzzy equivocating "capacitor" and "capacitance". Equivalence aside, there's a distinct difference between high capacitance and a high capacity capacitor. The sky and the ground have a high capacitance, it's not a capacitor however, at least not a manufactured one.


Oh and you keep dodging the question. How often do the engineers ignore you and when they do how does that make you feel?

Probably the same way the feral hogs feel when you call them javelinas.

Does it hurt more when they are very young and green and treat you like the ignorant douchebag you are?
Fuzzy back to chest thumping over his cubicle job.

lol basic electronics

[Wild Cobra]

Umm no try again. I never said that.

Liar.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Probably the same way the feral hogs feel when you call them javelinas.

Fuzzy back to chest thumping over his cubicle job.

I don't work in a cubicle.

[Wild Cobra]

There are no high F caps you said which clearly indicated your ignorance to how they work.
I was corrected, yet you act as if I never admited I make a mistake.

My God. Just how stupid do you get?

Oh and flywheels not storing energy was another gem from you.

Liar. I said flywheels do store energy.


Speaking to that since you want to play questions. How do you use diodes with caps in series to prevent bleeding? Why would you want to prevent bleeding?

Voltage Multiplier maybe? Not sure what you are describing by words. A schematic would be better.


Last time we found that you were ignorant to caps in parallel thus you claiming no high capacity caps. Google away, dipshit.

No, once again it was you that was wrong. I never disputed that capacitance increases with parallel. It was you who said capacitors in series does not decrease capacitance.


Oh and you keep dodging the question. How often do the engineers ignore you and when they do how does that make you feel? Does it hurt more when they are very young and green and treat you like the ignorant douchebag you are?
All the engineers I worked with actually valued my opinion.

[Wild Cobra]

I don't work in a cubicle.
You are just a blockhead.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Liar.

If I am not mistaken Tesla designed his 3 phase motor in 1881 and Westinghouse produced his grid in 1891. The two concepts are hardly mutually exclusive and both were being worked on at the same time. I am not sure what you are trying to get at. If you are trying to claim what the intention were for hundreds of men then you have fun with that. I don't care what they taught you at ITT or whatever trade school you went to.

[DMC]

I don't work in a cubicle.

Maybe one day.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I was corrected, yet you act as if I never admited I make a mistake.

My God. Just how stupid do you get?

Liar. I said flywheels do store energy.

Voltage Multiplier maybe? Not sure what you are describing by words. A schematic would be better.

No, once again it was you that was wrong. I never disputed that capacitance increases with parallel. It was you who said capacitors in series does not decrease capacitance.

Of course you didn't dispute it. My point was that you were ignorant to it. That these are the parts that you change and you have no clue as to their purpose in design. You just wire leads that you are told to.

The conversation was in regards to capacitors and high farad ratings. When I brought up caps in parallel you started blathering about them being in series for higher voltages which was completely besides the point. When I was asking you about diodes and caps in series I was trying to illustrate a point. You further proved it. It's readily apparent that google was your source.


All the engineers I worked with actually valued my opinion.

If you would have said most it may have been believable but there is no way that every one did. Given your butthurtedness towards engineers from before I sincerely doubt it was even most. I certainly don't.

[Wild Cobra]

If I am not mistaken Tesla designed his 3 phase motor in 1881 and Westinghouse produced his grid in 1891. The two concepts are hardly mutually exclusive and both were being worked on at the same time. I am not sure what you are trying to get at. If you are trying to claim what the intention were for hundreds of men then you have fun with that. I don't care what they taught you at ITT or whatever trade school you went to.
I will not argue with the broad picture, but I do contend that three phase systems were not invented for motors, but invented for the simple truth that three phases 120 degrees apart , when added, produce a strait line. It is also the most efficient manner to send the greatest amount of power with the least amount of wire. Motors did not need to be controlled by phasing, and three phases was not invented for that reason, which is what your contention was.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe one day.

I fail to see what point you are trying to make. Keep throwing shit against the wall in an attempt to troll me and maybe you will eventually be accurate and in a way that bothers me. So far you suck at this.

[Wild Cobra]

The conversation was in regards to capacitors and high farad ratings. When I brought up caps in parallel you started blathering about them being in series for higher voltages which was completely besides the point.
This is because we were talking about high voltage situations. These Farad rated capacitors are low voltage. That's why I brought to your attention that increasein the voltage capacity reduces the rated capacitance. You must be a car stereo installer, because you know about them.

OK, take a capacitor for a car store. Maybe you have a 20V capacitor at 2 farads. Now if you decide you want to have 2 farads for a 50 volt circuit, then you couldn't use that capacitor. Now you could take three of them in series, and now you have a 60V breakdown. However, you now only have 2/3 farads. To maintain a 2 farad rating, you now need 9 total capacitors, by putting them in a 3x3 array.

You completely missed that point, and you claim I don't understand?

You really are a shithead. It is you who must be googling because you obviously fail to misunderstand basic theory.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I will not argue with the broad picture, but I do contend that three phase systems were not invented for motors, but invented for the simple truth that three phases 120 degrees apart , when added, produce a strait line. It is also the most efficient manner to send the greatest amount of power with the least amount of wire. Motors did not need to be controlled by phasing, and three phases was not invented for that reason, which is what your contention was.

All sinusoids when integrated create a straight line, ignoramus. In this case however a two phase system that is not 180 degrees in phase will tend to be somewhat staggered and produce a choppy signal. 3 phase power to is smoother.
In terms of power transmission, the efficieny is from how the voltages are applied to a load in the configuration and it's obviously something beyond your scope to understand. Its not a function of smoothness. It's a function of what you get when you rectify it.

And again your claims to the 'why' in regards to this or that application is bullshit. Different men worked on it for different functions all at the same time. Your version of history is --surprise surprise-- completely simpleminded bullshit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This is because we were talking about high voltage situations. These Farad rated capacitors are low voltage. That's why I brought to your attention that increasein the voltage capacity reduces the rated capacitance.

You completely missed that point, and you claim I don't understand?

You really are a shithead. It is you who must be googling because you obviously fail to misunderstand basic theory.

No we weren't. I brought up caps as an aside. You are going to make me dredge that shit up again aren't you. Just like you claimed to not have made the soda can model and solubility charts. Do you do this with everything? Just make shit up and act like its true or are you one of those that deceives yourself so you can see the world as you want it to be rather than how it is. I am guessing the latter. Your behavior certainly trends towards that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

OK, take a capacitor for a car store. Maybe you have a 20V capacitor at 2 farads. Now if you decide you want to have 2 farads for a 50 volt circuit, then you couldn't use that capacitor. Now you could take three of them in series, and now you have a 60V breakdown. However, you now only have 2/3 farads. To maintain a 2 farad rating, you now need 9 total capacitors, by putting them in a 3x3 array.

You just added this part and its completely fucking ignorant. We had this discussion too. In the case you are talking about you would use a transformer not a capacitor. But hey why don't you take a bunch of caps, put them in series and keep it under a steady load. Mae sure you put your face right up to it so you can observe.

[Wild Cobra]

All sinusoids when integrated create a straight line, ignoramus.
LOL...

That has noting to do with AC power. You cannot produce a strait line, except with multiples of 3 phases.

In this case however a two phase system that is not 180 degrees in phase will tend to be somewhat staggered and produce a choppy signal. 3 phase power to is smoother.

No shit. Very choppy for one or two phase, and a strait line for three phase.


In terms of power transmission, the efficieny is from how the voltages are applied to a load in the configuration and it's obviously something beyond your scope to understand.

It has to do with current per leg and phase angles. It is you who do not understand. You should go back and read that article I posted in that other link. For you so disagree with my claim is laughable.

Another reason for 3 phase power, it it cancels out the magnetism.


And again your claims to the 'why' in regards to this or that application is bullshit. Different men worked on it for different functions all at the same time. Your version of history is --surprise surprise-- completely simpleminded bullshit.

You, wish not to give the geniuses of the time, credit for why power is three phase.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sinner.

You have to define "high".

Duh... no one wants to bleed to death. You take the diodes and the caps, you wrap them together (you need a bunch of them) and you make a tourniquet.

Fuzzy equivocating "capacitor" and "capacitance". Equivalence aside, there's a distinct difference between high capacitance and a high capacity capacitor. The sky and the ground have a high capacitance, it's not a capacitor however, at least not a manufactured one.


Probably the same way the feral hogs feel when you call them javelinas.
Fuzzy back to chest thumping over his cubicle job.

lol basic electronics

You edited it for this?

Youre an ignorant poser that is for sure. Keep trying.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

LOL...

That has noting to do with AC power. You cannot produce a strait line, except with multiples of 3 phases.

No shit. Very choppy for one or two phase, and a strait line for three phase.

It has to do with current per leg and phase angles. It is you who do not understand. You should go back and read that article I posted in that other link. For you so disagree with my claim is laughable.

Another reason for 3 phase power, it it cancels out the magnetism.

You, wish not to give the geniuses of the time, credit for why power is three phase.

This is boring. I said voltages across the load and you regurgitate what you obviously pulled off of google which says the same thing. That you dd not get that is telling. Here is a question: if a voltage is across a load then what implied behavior would occur?

Anyway I am done with this. I don't feel like addressing Dr. Google EZ bake anymore and I have stuff to do.

[Wild Cobra]

Fuzzy, you are stupid.

In the electrical industry, wire becomes expensive. Look at copper prices today.

If I take a 1000 watt 2 wire 120V circuit, hot and neutral, I need two wires that will handle 8.33 amps of current. 120V x 8.33A = 1000W

If I take a three wire 240V 1000 watt circuit, 2 hots 180 degrees apart and neutral, I need three wires that will handle 4.17 amps. I just cut my cross sectional need of wire by 25%.

Now if I need 1000 watts and use a three phase system, our standard voltage is now 208 volts. We now need four wires, three hot and a neutral, but each only needs to handle 6.41 amps. This is because each leg will handle 1/3 of the 1000Watts (333.3W) and 208 volts means we need 1.6 amps each. We only need 38.46% as much wire for the 3 phase system compared to a single phase system, or only 51.3% as much wire as a 240V system.

If we relate our cross sectional total wire size for an electrical run:

2 x 8.33 = 16.67.

3 x 4.17 = `12.5.

4 x 1.6 = 6.42.

We need so much less wire for a three phase system than a single or split phase system. Sure, more wires, but a much smaller wire gauge.

Please tell me you think Tesla was ignorant of this fact. He not only knew a three phase system required less wire for transmission lines, but for motor winding size and efficiency as well.

Three phase systems are more simply efficient and smoother.

[Wild Cobra]

Ooop[s...

Just realized a mistake I made in the power calculations, and the correct numbers work in my favor.

Anyone think Fuzzy can find my mistake?

[TSA]

Ok Fuzzy, it's apparent to all that answering the OP would just cause you to contradict yourself, and I realize that isn't really fair. I've got a few new questions.

I pick up my new Springfield semi-automatic ultra compact pistol today after going through the 10 day wait period here in CA. I've been carefully studying the data you've provided and I am a bit nervous now. When I pick this semi-automatic firearm up, should I be concerned about increased thoughts of suicide? What should I do when the criminal thoughts creep in to my mind? I'm to the point now where I'm not even sure I want it and am thinking of just turning it in to one of those gun buy backs just to make everyone feel safer. What would you do in my shoes Fuzzy?

[Blake]

Anyone think Fuzzy can find my mistake?


Professor Part Changer

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, you are stupid.

In the electrical industry, wire becomes expensive. Look at copper prices today.

If I take a 1000 watt 2 wire 120V circuit, hot and neutral, I need two wires that will handle 8.33 amps of current. 120V x 8.33A = 1000W

If I take a three wire 240V 1000 watt circuit, 2 hots 180 degrees apart and neutral, I need three wires that will handle 4.17 amps. I just cut my cross sectional need of wire by 25%.

Now if I need 1000 watts and use a three phase system, our standard voltage is now 208 volts. We now need four wires, three hot and a neutral, but each only needs to handle 6.41 amps. This is because each leg will handle 1/3 of the 1000Watts (333.3W) and 208 volts means we need 1.6 amps each. We only need 38.46% as much wire for the 3 phase system compared to a single phase system, or only 51.3% as much wire as a 240V system.

If we relate our cross sectional total wire size for an electrical run:

2 x 8.33 = 16.67.

3 x 4.17 = `12.5.

4 x 1.6 = 6.42.

We need so much less wire for a three phase system than a single or split phase system. Sure, more wires, but a much smaller wire gauge.

Please tell me you think Tesla was ignorant of this fact. He not only knew a three phase system required less wire for transmission lines, but for motor winding size and efficiency as well.

Three phase systems are more simply efficient and smoother.

:lol 1000w

Thank you for proving that you are absolutely untrained in circuit analysis and are just making shit up as you go along. You mistake is your approach and you are full of shit. It's an AC circuit with 120 degrees separating the phase. It's a balanced load and you are making the wrong assumptions. You suck at this.

Next time, model three sources in parallel connected to three loads in parallel. Then do the same with 2. Compare and contrast the circuits. That is the correct way to analyze AC circuits. Take your napkin math and shove up your ass, parts changer.

[DMC]

Ok Fuzzy, it's apparent to all that answering the OP would just cause you to contradict yourself, and I realize that isn't really fair. I've got a few new questions.

I pick up my new Springfield semi-automatic ultra compact pistol today after going through the 10 day wait period here in CA. I've been carefully studying the data you've provided and I am a bit nervous now. When I pick this semi-automatic firearm up, should I be concerned about increased thoughts of suicide? What should I do when the criminal thoughts creep in to my mind? I'm to the point now where I'm not even sure I want it and am thinking of just turning it in to one of those gun buy backs just to make everyone feel safer. What would you do in my shoes Fuzzy?

You need to be worried about the assault capability of the gun, since it's a semi-auto it can kill everyone in your home and probably a dozen or so more. Make sure you keep a close eye on it.

[DMC]

:lol 1000w

Thank you for proving that you are absolutely untrained in circuit analysis and are just making shit up as you go along. You mistake is your approach and you are full of shit. It's an AC circuit with 120 degrees separating the phase. It's a balanced load and you are making the wrong assumptions. You suck at this.

Next time, model three sources in parallel connected to three loads in parallel. Then do the same with 2. Compare and contrast the circuits. That is the correct way to analyze AC circuits. Take your napkin math and shove up your ass, parts changer.
Question:

Should the X0 bond of a Delta-Wye transformer be grounded?

WC: Well, from what I recall a delta-wye (Δ-Y) transformer is a type of three-phase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase) electric power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power) transformer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer) design that employs delta-connected windings on its primary and wye/star connected windings on its secondary. A neutral wire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_wire) can be provided on wye output side. It can be a single three-phase transformer, or built from three independent single-phase units. The term Delta-Wye transformer is used in North America, and Delta-Star system in Europe. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/DeltaWyeTransformer.svg/220px-DeltaWyeTransformer.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeltaWyeTransformer.svg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.21wmf7/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeltaWyeTransformer.svg)
One possible delta-wye transformer configuration.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-wye_transformer#cite_note-International_Standard_IEC_60076-1_Edition_2:1993_consolidated_with_amendment_1:199 9-1)


Delta-wye transformers are common in commercial, industrial, and high-density residential locations, to supply three-phase distribution systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_distribution).
An example would be a distribution transformer with a delta primary, running on three 11kV phases with no neutral or earth required, and a star (or wye) secondary providing a 3-phase supply at 400 V, with the domestic voltage of 230 available between each phase and an earthed neutral point.

Fuzzy: There you go with your parts changer math. You're showing your ignorance again since you have to know whether the transformer will be used to step up or step down. You have no training in the fine arts of electricity, keep swapping out RF matches you parts monkey.

WC: Well of course, ankle biter, that much I do recall but it seems to me that a High-leg delta (also known as wild-leg or red-leg delta) is a type of electrical service connection for three-phase electric power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power) installations. It is one of the several types of three phase service setups. It is used to provide an additional voltage that is half the phase to phase voltage.

My math might be a bit rusty, however I seem to recall that you should consider the low voltage side of a 120/240 V high leg delta connected transformer, where the 'b' phase is the 'high' leg. The line-to-line voltage magnitudes are all the same:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/7/f/97fe72238510e7e444ce25ce7754267b.png

Because the winding between the 'a' and 'c' phases is center-tapped, the line-to-neutral voltages for these phases are as follows:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/6/4/4/644e7fcb491099aa824c70ee39b8ff97.png

But the phase-neutral voltage for the 'b' phase is different:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/2/1/a/21a1d67332dab5cb938a3b8b60c2f21a.png


This can be proven by writing a KVL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVL) equation starting from the grounded neutral:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/c/5/ec5e5d3dd0b14fe0886dc0619da4df4d.png

Note: Writing the KVL equation going the other way, the same magnitude is found, though the phase angle will of course be different.

Advantages Where the three-phase load is small relative to the total load, two individual transformers may be used instead of the three for a "full delta" or a three-phase transformer, thus providing a variety of voltages at reduced cost[weasel words (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words)]. This is called "open-delta high-leg"[improper synthesis? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Synthesis_of_publis hed_material_that_advances_a_position)], and has a reduced capacity relative to a full delta.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta#cite_note-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta#cite_note-3)

Disadvantages One of the phase-to-neutral voltage (phase 'B') is different from the other two.

Don't quote me on this, but that's how I remember it.

Fuzzy: Wrong.

[DMC]

I fail to see what point you are trying to make. Keep throwing shit against the wall in an attempt to troll me and maybe you will eventually be accurate and in a way that bothers me. So far you suck at this.

Yet here you are in a thread designed to troll the fuck out of you.

[DMC]

You edited it for this?

Youre an ignorant poser that is for sure. Keep trying.

lol you went back and read it again. Mission accomplished.

[TSA]

Yet here you are in a thread designed to troll the fuck out of you.

:cry I'm done with you, I don't have time for this :cry

Yet he keeps crawling back. I really enjoy how he is trying to reverse troll me by not answering my questions and having me keep asking them, when in reality it just keeps proving what a hypocritical pussy he really is.

You voluntarily turn in your guns yet fuzzy? Do you part, make the world crime free!

[Wild Cobra]

:lol 1000w

Thank you for proving that you are absolutely untrained in circuit analysis and are just making shit up as you go along. You mistake is your approach and you are full of shit. It's an AC circuit with 120 degrees separating the phase. It's a balanced load and you are making the wrong assumptions. You suck at this.

Next time, model three sources in parallel connected to three loads in parallel. Then do the same with 2. Compare and contrast the circuits. That is the correct way to analyze AC circuits. Take your napkin math and shove up your ass, parts changer.
Wow...

Your level of incomprehension is unbelievable.

[Wild Cobra]

Question:

Should the X0 bond of a Delta-Wye transformer be grounded?

I believe that's required, though I was never an electrician, and haven't studied any practical grounding/bonding/shielding in over 20 years. If you don't bond it, and use a neutral, then you will have a hot neutral.


WC: Well, from what I recall a delta-wye (Δ-Y) transformer is a type of three-phase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase) electric power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power) transformer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer) design that employs delta-connected windings on its primary and wye/star connected windings on its secondary. A neutral wire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_wire) can be provided on wye output side. It can be a single three-phase transformer, or built from three independent single-phase units.

I've never thought of the three independent transformers, but the diagram you provided agrees. I have seen several commercial systems and all of them are like the diagram you furnished.


WC: Well of course, ankle biter, that much I do recall but it seems to me that a High-leg delta (also known as wild-leg or red-leg delta) is a type of electrical service connection for three-phase electric power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power) installations. It is one of the several types of three phase service setups. It is used to provide an additional voltage that is half the phase to phase voltage.

Interesting. I had to look the "high-leg" up. Never come across that before, but then, automation equipment isn't supplying or using home use voltages.

It is possible one of our transformers do that. It's a part of the building maintenance, and I'm not familiar with the specifics. I need to remember to ask our building maintenance guy.


Fuzzy: Wrong.

I don't get it with him. Most the stuff I talk about, I know from experience. I make a mistake here and there... So what... I have probably forgotten more on many topics than many people have ever learned. The Fuzzy Bitch does nothing but look for fault in others. He accuses me of acquiring my knowledge on the internet, but it appears it is he, who looks things up, and doesn't understand what he is speaking of.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Question:

Should the X0 bond of a Delta-Wye transformer be grounded?

WC: Well, from what I recall a delta-wye (Δ-Y) transformer is a type of three-phase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase) electric power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power) transformer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer) design that employs delta-connected windings on its primary and wye/star connected windings on its secondary. A neutral wire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_wire) can be provided on wye output side. It can be a single three-phase transformer, or built from three independent single-phase units. The term Delta-Wye transformer is used in North America, and Delta-Star system in Europe. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f0/DeltaWyeTransformer.svg/220px-DeltaWyeTransformer.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeltaWyeTransformer.svg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/static-1.21wmf7/skins/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DeltaWyeTransformer.svg)
One possible delta-wye transformer configuration.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-wye_transformer#cite_note-International_Standard_IEC_60076-1_Edition_2:1993_consolidated_with_amendment_1:199 9-1)


Delta-wye transformers are common in commercial, industrial, and high-density residential locations, to supply three-phase distribution systems (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_distribution).
An example would be a distribution transformer with a delta primary, running on three 11kV phases with no neutral or earth required, and a star (or wye) secondary providing a 3-phase supply at 400 V, with the domestic voltage of 230 available between each phase and an earthed neutral point.

Fuzzy: There you go with your parts changer math. You're showing your ignorance again since you have to know whether the transformer will be used to step up or step down. You have no training in the fine arts of electricity, keep swapping out RF matches you parts monkey.

WC: Well of course, ankle biter, that much I do recall but it seems to me that a High-leg delta (also known as wild-leg or red-leg delta) is a type of electrical service connection for three-phase electric power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-phase_electric_power) installations. It is one of the several types of three phase service setups. It is used to provide an additional voltage that is half the phase to phase voltage.

My math might be a bit rusty, however I seem to recall that you should consider the low voltage side of a 120/240 V high leg delta connected transformer, where the 'b' phase is the 'high' leg. The line-to-line voltage magnitudes are all the same:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/7/f/97fe72238510e7e444ce25ce7754267b.png

Because the winding between the 'a' and 'c' phases is center-tapped, the line-to-neutral voltages for these phases are as follows:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/6/4/4/644e7fcb491099aa824c70ee39b8ff97.png

But the phase-neutral voltage for the 'b' phase is different:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/2/1/a/21a1d67332dab5cb938a3b8b60c2f21a.png


This can be proven by writing a KVL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVL) equation starting from the grounded neutral:


http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/e/c/5/ec5e5d3dd0b14fe0886dc0619da4df4d.png

Note: Writing the KVL equation going the other way, the same magnitude is found, though the phase angle will of course be different.

Advantages Where the three-phase load is small relative to the total load, two individual transformers may be used instead of the three for a "full delta" or a three-phase transformer, thus providing a variety of voltages at reduced cost[weasel words (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words)]. This is called "open-delta high-leg"[improper synthesis? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Synthesis_of_publis hed_material_that_advances_a_position)], and has a reduced capacity relative to a full delta.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta#cite_note-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta#cite_note-2)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-leg_delta#cite_note-3)

Disadvantages One of the phase-to-neutral voltage (phase 'B') is different from the other two.

Don't quote me on this, but that's how I remember it.

Fuzzy: Wrong.

Nice wiki location.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/2/1/a/21a1d67332dab5cb938a3b8b60c2f21a.png

Do another WC wiki front.

[DMC]

I believe that's required, though I was never an electrician, and haven't studied any practical grounding/bonding/shielding in over 20 years. If you don't bond it, and use a neutral, then you will have a hot neutral.

It's a skit.

However an unbonded X0 is somewhat common.


I've never thought of the three independent transformers, but the diagram you provided agrees. I have seen several commercial systems and all of them are like the diagram you furnished.

Interesting. I had to look the "high-leg" up. Never come across that before, but then, automation equipment isn't supplying or using home use voltages.

It is possible one of our transformers do that. It's a part of the building maintenance, and I'm not familiar with the specifics. I need to remember to ask our building maintenance guy.

I don't get it with him. Most the stuff I talk about, I know from experience. I make a mistake here and there... So what... I have probably forgotten more on many topics than many people have ever learned. The Fuzzy Bitch does nothing but look for fault in others. He accuses me of acquiring my knowledge on the internet, but it appears it is he, who looks things up, and doesn't understand what he is speaking of.
Amazing

[Wild Cobra]

However an unbonded X0 is somewhat common.

I can see that if you aren't using it as a neutral, but would it be allowed if neutral was being used?

[Wild Cobra]

It's a skit.

OK, now that I realize what you did, I have to read it again.

Sorry for being slow on your humor. Hard to tell with text.

[DMC]

I can see that if you aren't using it as a neutral, but would it be allowed if neutral was being used?

If you want noise to find your counterpoise, you might consider it, especially in a digital environment. Some applications don't require it so electricians won't pull the neutral line and instead will take it to rebar as a sucker rod. If you've ever put an ammeter on that bond though, you can tell that it's doing it's job if the building is counterpoised properly. A lot of problems can be alleviated with a good digital electrical environment. I am not referring to a counterpoise for RF applications.

[Wild Cobra]

If you want noise to find your counterpoise, you might consider it, especially in a digital environment. Some applications don't require it so electricians won't pull the neutral line and instead will take it to rebar as a sucker rod. If you've ever put an ammeter on that bond though, you can tell that it's doing it's job if the building is counterpoised properly. A lot of problems can be alleviated with a good digital electrical environment. I am not referring to a counterpoise for RF applications.
I'm not dealing with communications any longer. Not since '92. As for your "skit..." Yes, it was funny. Not real accurate, but funny.

[DMC]

I'm not dealing with communications any longer. Not since '92. As for your "skit..." Yes, it was funny. Not real accurate, but funny.

I often wonder if you even read what you're responding to.

[Wild Cobra]

I often wonder if you even read what you're responding to.
I read it, I just thought you were addressing the parts to us. Not that you were implying that was our words. I was surprised you went through that whole wiki quote, and I was a bit confused. I just thought I would roll with it. I guess I should have asked your intent.

I do now wonder if you agree or not if there is less mass of cabling for needed power a given power requirement, at three phase over single or split phase. Fuzzy seems not to understand.

[SnakeBoy]

Fuzzy why do you keep starting threads with your TSA troll calling yourself out?

[DMC]

I read it, I just thought you were addressing the parts to us. Not that you were implying that was our words. I was surprised you went through that whole wiki quote, and I was a bit confused. I just thought I would roll with it. I guess I should have asked your intent.

I do now wonder if you agree or not if there is less mass of cabling for needed power a given power requirement, at three phase over single or split phase. Fuzzy seems not to understand.

As a generic statement, it's already a given. It's easily proven with a simple search. I didn't want to get into a discussion about basic electricity. It's always a pissing contest and there's no one to judge the winner.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy why do you keep starting threads with your TSA troll calling yourself out?

Because cheesecake really is cake and not a custard pie like those ignorant fools like to claim. Cobbler sucks.

[Wild Cobra]

As a generic statement, it's already a given. It's easily proven with a simple search. I didn't want to get into a discussion about basic electricity. It's always a pissing contest and there's no one to judge the winner.
True, and why fuzz thinks he wins.

[DMC]

Because cheesecake really is cake and not a custard pie like those ignorant fools like to claim. Cobbler sucks.

Cobbler is great. Key lime pie is good too.

[DMC]

True, and why fuzz thinks he wins.

Nobody wins. Go back and look at threads you've debated in sometime in the past. Ask yourself what you gained from that other than passing the time.

[Wild Cobra]

Nobody wins. Go back and look at threads you've debated in sometime in the past. Ask yourself what you gained from that other than passing the time.
Pretty much, only the laughter of seeing his arrogance and stupidity.

[DMC]

Pretty much, only the laughter of seeing his arrogance and stupidity.

But he could be any random person in the world. Funny how some people think they are changing the world, one mind at a time.

[TeyshaBlue]

Cobbler sucks.

:flipoff