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Mr.Bottomtooth
01-17-2013, 12:35 PM
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/01/17/rosen-breaking-down-spurs-blowout-over-grizzl

Rosen: Breaking down Spurs’ blowout over Grizzlies

By Charley Rosen
January 17, 2013 at 7:41 AM

The accepted conventional wisdom is that either the Clippers or the Thunder will ultimately represent the West in the finals.

However, partisans of the Spurs and the Grizzlies believe that their respective teams are also legitimate contenders for the Western Conference crown. Me? I’d say last night’s 103-82 taming of the Grizz is a microcosm of why San Antonio is the true dark horse in this particular race.

Let’s take a close look at the strengths and weaknesses of each of these teams.

These days, Tim Duncan lacks the explosiveness to be a serious scoring threat in the low post. As such, Memphis generally avoided two-timing him when he made a rare appearance in the pivot. In fact, TD spends much of his time at the high post where his passing is somewhat shaky but, although he needs lots of time and space, his straight-ahead jumper is better than ever.

It’s on the other end of the court where Duncan’s influence is mostly felt. He isn’t (and never was) a particularly effective one-on-one defender—however, his length, his anticipation born of experience, and his refusal to be faked off his feet, make him a dominating shot-blocker. For sure, he’s on the downside of his remarkable career, but Duncan has made adjustments, pulled in his parameters, and remains a winner.

Tony Parker has lost at least a half-step and relies more on his tight spins to remain a vibrant scorer in a broken field. Also, he has perfected his pull-up jumper going left. More importantly, Parker is more interested in passing than he is in shooting—a remarkable evolution for such a veteran player. As ever, his individual defense is still questionable.

Tiago Splitter runs the court, can finish in traffic, and sets sturdy picks. Too bad he lacks any semblance of a touch (beyond his improved FT shooting) and has difficulty cleanly handling any pass thrown below his waist. On defense, he has the strength and the mass to absorb an opponent’s initial thrust, thereby giving his teammates sufficient time to move into optimal double-teaming position. In short, Splitter is limited, but does what he’s supposed to do. However, on a team that lacked the discipline and precision of Pop’s crew, Splitter would be gathering splinters on the bench.

I must confess that Kawhi Leonard is one of my favorite players.

He can routinely drop treys, and he runs like a deer. Yet what I appreciate most is his quick, long-armed defense that challenges virtually every incoming and outgoing pass. True, his one-on-one defense still needs work, but within three years Pop will turn him into a franchise player.

Gary Neal can flat-out score, mostly on his quick-release long-distance bombs. He’s an earnest, athletic defender who’s still learning how to play without the ball. Danny Green is another accurate long-distance dialer who plays slightly better than Neal but isn’t quite as dynamic a scorer.

Boris Diaw is the primary big man off the bench. Yes, he can shoot, pass, and make righteous cuts, but at 6-8, 203, he’s anundersized big. And this represents one of the Spurs’ most vulnerable areas—especially since the 6-10 Matt Bonner plays like a small forward.

Stephen Jackson has somewhat awkward handle and iffy defense, but he’s a streaky shooter who can light up a scoreboard. As long as he’s not a go-to scorer, Jax is a plus.

Manu Ginobili didn’t play in the game at hand, but his dynamic lefty slants add a necessary jolt of pizzazz to the Spurs’ sometimes lethargic offense. Indeed, he’s the squad’s X-factor who gives them the capability to overcome either OKC or the LAC.

As ever, the Spurs need to shoot extremely well to win, particularly since they lack a fail-safe point-maker in the low post. Their unselfishness, spacing, ball and player movement are all exemplary, which makes the whole of their team-wide efforts add up to more than the sum of their individual parts.

The same is true of their team defense, which features perfectly choreographed baseline rotations by their bigs. Their strategy in defense of pick-and-rolls is classic—force the ball baseline or sideline and, once again, rely on perfect interior rotations.

The prime mover of all this is, of course, Gregg Popovich, who is simply the best coach in the NBA.

Where he once was stubborn, he now is flexible, and he remains a master of in-game and between-game adjustments. His expertise and ability to motivate his players should never be underestimated. I’d say, without scoring a bucket or making a pass, Pop is worth at least 7-10 points a game.

It says here that if they can remain healthy (this means TD and Ginobili), don’t be surprised if the Spurs peak in time to survive the conference playoffs.

On the other hand, Memphis lacks staying power and is merely a flash in the pan.

The team’s positives include the strength and mid-range shooting of Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph; Tony Allen’s adhesive defense and ability to score in the shadow of the hoop; Mike Conley’s outside shooting, lane penetrations, and quick-footed defense; Darrell Arthur’s pivotal scoring and mid-range jumpers; and Rudy Gay’s creativity.

Still, the Grizzlies have multiple flaws.

Their bigs are so late in making the proper rotations that San Antonio’s dive cuts resulted in numerous uncontested layups. Likewise, Gasol and Randolph are inordinately slow getting back in transition defense—allowing both Duncan and Splitter to beat them to the rim on several occasions.

The Spurs alert double-teams virtually negated Randolph’s presence in the low post—for the game he scored only five of his 11 points down there.

Gasol failed to get a single opportunity to venture into the low-post, confining his offense to taking jumpers and setting picks—both of which he did well. Still, his interior scoring was (and has been) wasted.

Although Rudy Gay is the only wingman who can consistently create his own shot, both his passwork and the decisions he routinely makes on defense are abysmal.

Neither Conley nor his backup, Jerryd Bayless, are bona fide facilitating point guards. This is a serious team deficiency.

Off the bench, Arthur’s post-up defense is subpar; Wayne Ellington and Marreese Speights are talented but extremely erratic.

Forget about the numbers.

The Grizzlies’ passing and pick-and-roll defense are simply not championship caliber. In a playoff showdown with either the Spurs, the Clippers or the Thunder, the Grizzlies will prove to be toothless.

Boomersgold
01-17-2013, 12:51 PM
Putting Gary Neal and the words "athletic defender" together just doesn't feel right, tbh.

spurraider21
01-17-2013, 01:00 PM
Tim Duncan was never an effective one on one defender... Ok bro

CubanMustGo
01-17-2013, 01:14 PM
Has Charley Rosen ever gotten anything right?

BG_Spurs_Fan
01-17-2013, 01:16 PM
lol Rosen. Before writing an article on the Spurs he should at least watch a bit of tape and make some research. Can't believe people pay to read this shit.

Mugen
01-17-2013, 01:24 PM
This reminds me of high school calculus where I'd copy the right answer but have no clue when asked to show my work.

Seventyniner
01-17-2013, 01:27 PM
lol Rosen. Before writing an article on the Spurs he should at least watch a bit of tape and make some research. Can't believe people pay to read this shit.

Hell, I just read it for free and I want my damn 4 minutes back.

It's like last night's game was the first one he watched all season. "Hmm, the Spurs blew out the Grizzlies? I'll just write an article saying that the Spurs are good and the Grizzlies are bad."

timvp
01-17-2013, 01:27 PM
In fact, TD spends much of his time at the high post where his passing is somewhat shakyUh, no. He's easily a top ten passing bigman in the NBA.


He isn’t (and never was) a particularly effective one-on-one defenderThe hell?


Tony Parker has lost at least a half-stepParker is still the fastest player in the NBA. I doubt he could have lost any steps and still have that title.


As ever, his individual defense is still questionable.Parker's D has always been above average when he's engaged. This year he's having his best defensive season to date.


Too bad he lacks any semblance of a touch (beyond his improved FT shooting) and has difficulty cleanly handling any pass thrown below his waist.Splitter has great touch and his hands are definitely above average for a bigman.


However, on a team that lacked the discipline and precision of Pop’s crew, Splitter would be gathering splinters on the bench.Yeah, no.


Gary Neal is an earnest, athletic defender who’s still learning how to play without the ball.:lmao Worst Gary Neal scouting report ever.





It's worth a read for some decent nuggets sprinkled in (good find, Mr.Bottomtooth) but it's obvious that Rosen rarely if ever actually watches the Spurs play. You'd think he'd go back to actually watching games again now that Phil Jackson isn't around for him to coattail ... but I guess not.

spursfan09
01-17-2013, 01:33 PM
There's that Tony Parker has lost a step remark again.

I saw TP outrun so many Griz players and get open to knock down that 3 pointer to tie the game the other night.

TP with a lost step is still faster than most I guess.

BG_Spurs_Fan
01-17-2013, 01:40 PM
In short, Splitter is limited, but does what he’s supposed to do. However, on a team that lacked the discipline and precision of Pop’s crew, Splitter would be gathering splinters on the bench.


Preach that to the GMs, Rosen.

Brunodf
01-17-2013, 01:43 PM
This guy is bad

TrainOfThought5
01-17-2013, 01:45 PM
..... I'm very hesitant to anoint the spurs this year. Last year they really got my hopes up and destroyed them in the Western Conference Finals.

Manufan909
01-17-2013, 02:10 PM
Damn, that article was some straight up hardcore suckage. Questioning Tim's 1-1 D might have been the most outrageous error.

quentin_compson
01-17-2013, 02:14 PM
Leonard becoming a franchise player in about three years was funny as well.

Amuseddaysleeper
01-17-2013, 02:18 PM
Weird how "nice" Rosen has been to the Spurs since David Robinson retired :td

siraulo23
01-17-2013, 02:24 PM
I stopped reading when he said Gary Neal is an athletic defender tbh

biskvito
01-17-2013, 02:32 PM
he can write later how the claws grew up since that game

dougp
01-17-2013, 03:51 PM
Splitter has great touch and his hands are definitely above average for a bigman.

The thing that bothers me most about Rosen's statement is the line you highlighted. Tiago is shooting 58% from the field, and 7% from the line while averaging 1.1 TOs but .8 SPG and .8 BPG this season. I think Rosen justs reads the recaps on ESPN after each game ...

lefty
01-17-2013, 03:55 PM
lol Rosen

lol premature ejac


lol Spurs won their last title in 2007


Cry Havoc in 3,2,

Paranoid Pop
01-17-2013, 03:59 PM
However, on a team that lacked the discipline and precision of Pop’s crew, Splitter would be gathering splinters on the bench.

I agree with that, De Andre Jordan has a better hook shot, true story.

Paranoid Pop
01-17-2013, 04:01 PM
Uh, no. He's easily a top ten passing bigman in the NBA.

While Tim is definetely one of the more talented passer at center he turns it over a lot, calling it shaky doesn't sound that outrageous to me.

hater
01-17-2013, 04:19 PM
:lol at the title

neither are spurs champ material neither do Grizz suck

they just in a slump. And Spurs still dark horses at best.

TheSkeptic
01-17-2013, 04:35 PM
While Tim is definetely one of the more talented passer at center he turns it over a lot, calling it shaky doesn't sound that outrageous to me.

How is "shaky" not a wrong characterization of Tim's passing as a bigman? Sure he turns the ball over at times (so does Parker and Lebron James if that's all it takes to become "shaky") but there's a reason why he's not typically known as a turnover-prone big.

hater
01-17-2013, 04:37 PM
maybe he meant it's shaky now compared to prime Timmy. Which could be true, but not because his passing was better back then. Prime Timmy would just humiliate the defender and take the shot himself.

Paranoid Pop
01-17-2013, 04:41 PM
How is "shaky" not a wrong characterization of Tim's passing as a bigman? Sure he turns the ball over at times (so does Parker and Lebron James if that's all it takes to become "shaky") but there's a reason why he's not typically known as a turnover-prone big.

Tbh I'm probably overreacting to the last few game where Tim had a bad stretch taking care of the ball, it's definitely good overall.

Cane
01-17-2013, 04:41 PM
A bear with no claws can still hug ya to death

Timmy's Tragic Johnson passes do stand out, it's like he's entertaining himself during the regular season

CGD
01-17-2013, 04:45 PM
Nah, a healthy Memphis team is for real. They'd beat the Clips this year, though, they should probably trade for a shooter though to give better spacing.

TheSkeptic
01-17-2013, 04:48 PM
maybe he meant it's shaky now compared to prime Timmy. Which could be true, but not because his passing was better back then. Prime Timmy would just humiliate the defender and take the shot himself.
I doubt it because Rosen doesn't have a clue what Duncan was like in his prime either.

See:
He isn’t (and never was) a particularly effective one-on-one defender

His thoughts on Gary Neal were just...it's like he was watching the Spurs for the first time last night or something.

lefty
01-17-2013, 04:51 PM
Mike Conley is gonna own TP's ass once again in the playoffs

silverblk mystix
01-17-2013, 04:56 PM
Uh, no. He's easily a top ten passing bigman in the NBA.

The hell?

Parker is still the fastest player in the NBA. I doubt he could have lost any steps and still have that title.

Parker's D has always been above average when he's engaged. This year he's having his best defensive season to date.

Splitter has great touch and his hands are definitely above average for a bigman.

Yeah, no.

:lmao Worst Gary Neal scouting report ever.





It's worth a read for some decent nuggets sprinkled in (good find, Mr.Bottomtooth) but it's obvious that Rosen rarely if ever actually watches the Spurs play. You'd think he'd go back to actually watching games again now that Phil Jackson isn't around for him to coattail ... but I guess not.



You saved me the trouble of pointing this out.Thanks.

Horrible report from Rosen.

TD 21
01-17-2013, 05:04 PM
Uh, no. He's easily a top ten passing bigman in the NBA.

The hell?

Parker is still the fastest player in the NBA. I doubt he could have lost any steps and still have that title.

Parker's D has always been above average when he's engaged. This year he's having his best defensive season to date.

Splitter has great touch and his hands are definitely above average for a bigman.

Yeah, no.

:lmao Worst Gary Neal scouting report ever.





It's worth a read for some decent nuggets sprinkled in (good find, Mr.Bottomtooth) but it's obvious that Rosen rarely if ever actually watches the Spurs play. You'd think he'd go back to actually watching games again now that Phil Jackson isn't around for him to coattail ... but I guess not.

Before I had scrolled down and realized someone had beaten me to the punch, I was going to do this. Between his article and your recap, I damn near spat out my coffee and choked on it simultaneously, while trying to avoid literally laughing out loud.

I'll just add: :lol him claiming Diaw weighs 203 pounds and Green "isn't quite as dynamic a scorer as Neal" (as if he's even close).

Rosen is always good for a laugh. Some old, bitter, extremely biased fool (he'd probably take a bullet for Jackson), who talks pure nonsense. He's Walton-esque, in terms of unintentional comedy. He's always pretended as if Duncan were a mediocre straight up defender and once said Udoka had (to paraphrase) incredible upside, so him calling Neal an "athletic defender" isn't all that surprising.

Snaq O'Meal
01-17-2013, 06:51 PM
I'll just add: :lol him claiming Diaw weighs 203 pounds and Green "isn't quite as dynamic a scorer as Neal" (as if he's even close).

I think Rosen meant 203 cm, which converts to 80" or 6'8". I admit I also did a double take when I first read that, given the number of errors in Rosen's article.

Floyd Pacquiao
01-17-2013, 06:55 PM
Stopped reading @ He isn’t (and never was) a particularly effective one-on-one defender

td4mvp21
01-17-2013, 07:19 PM
Duncan not an effective 1-on-1 defender :lmao

Leetonidas
01-17-2013, 07:22 PM
Stopped reading when he said Neal was an athletic and earnest defender. This guy doesn't know shit

SpursIndonesia
01-17-2013, 08:49 PM
Boris Diaw and 203 lbs, that has to be so wrong on so many levels. :lol

dbreiden83080
01-17-2013, 09:02 PM
It’s on the other end of the court where Duncan’s influence is mostly felt. He isn’t (and never was) a particularly effective one-on-one defender

Uh???


9× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007)

therealtruth
01-17-2013, 09:38 PM
I stopped reading when he said Gary Neal is an athletic defender tbh

Drz
01-17-2013, 10:35 PM
Even the Grizzlies take was bad. He knocks their defense quite a bit, but they're by far one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. It seems like he made all these conclusions by only watching Wednesday's game.

FuzzyLumpkins
01-17-2013, 10:51 PM
Tim did spend a lot of time in the high post but since Gasol was out they doubled him every time he caught the ball down low. This was several times. I got about that far, a few sentences, before I stopped reading. If the guy indeed watch the game he does not know what he is looking at.

FuzzyLumpkins
01-17-2013, 10:52 PM
Even the Grizzlies take was bad. He knocks their defense quite a bit, but they're by far one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. It seems like he made all these conclusions by only watching Wednesday's game.

In fairness Gasol was in foul trouble early and often and without his interior presence they struggled to keep us out of the paint.

Spur|n|Austin
01-17-2013, 11:28 PM
I stopped reading when he said Gary Neal is an athletic defender tbh

:lol Yeah I lol'd there

Sean Cagney
01-17-2013, 11:47 PM
Putting Gary Neal and the words "athletic defender" together just doesn't feel right, tbh.

LOL that is a joke......

Jordanobili2320
01-18-2013, 09:51 AM
This is really bad. I don't even know what to say...