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cd021
01-17-2013, 10:54 PM
Since the start of the '10-11 season, Tony Parker has become the key to the spurs reinvention. Not only has he lead the team in scoring over the past two 1/2 seasons, but he has played a significant role in making the Spurs a offense juggernaut. The Spurs have ranked 2nd , 1st and are currently 5th in offensive efficiency Since the '10-11 season. Parker also has ranked amongst the leaders in Assists/Turnover ratio in that period. He is currently second among players who currently average more than 30 minutes per game this season, with an asts/T.O ration 3 to 1. When factoring in his 7.2 per game to go along with his 19.5 points per game, Parker accounts for more than 1/3 of the spurs offense while posting a career high in true shooting percentage (58.4%) and P.E.R (22.4). It is also worth mentioning the spurs have won nearly 75% of their games since the teams offensive transformation started.

Duncan is under contract until the '14-15 seasons and assuming if Ginobili re signs, he could play up to that point as well. Parker would be 33 at the start of the the following season. It is difficult to imagine Parker with out his quickness and beating player to the rim with his speed. However Parker has steadily evolved a accurate jump shooter, and is posting a career high in 3pt%.

Ginobili provides some precedent for aging all star perimeter players who have remained effective, earlier in his career he became known for his reckless and uncanny ability to get to the rim and finish. At the age of 33 in the 2010-2011 season Ginobili compensated for loss of agility by attempting a career high in 3 pointers. As a result he managed to stay healthy enough to played in 77 games averaging 30 minutes per game ,and post an impressive 17.4 points per game.

( A shot chart showing Parkers accuracy, outside the paint)
http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/player/shotchart/1134-Tony-Parker/season/2012-2013-REG?metric=zone_fg



If Parker can further develop an perimeter shot, the more effective Parker can become later in his career. He occasional spots up on the left wing as a 3 point shooter, especially when Ginobili and Parker play together and Manu is the ball handler. With Parker being able to play more off the ball, Parker could find easier shots closer to the rim. If De Colo develops into an starting caliber guard within the next 3 seasons (seems reasonable enough), The teams transition in to the new Parker led Spurs could go that much more seamlessly. Just having an play-maker , as 2 guard is a luxury, and has helped the Spurs in the past with a highly successful Parker & Ginobili tandem. Splitter and Leonard also play big roles in the post big 3 era.

Its hard to say how Leonard will look as a player in the next 3 seasons. Maybe he becomes something ,not to dissimilar to Andre Iguodala. An athletic wing who can make plays off the dribble for himself and others, rebounds and become an truly elite defender (he seems well on his way with the last two). Leonard has already shown an ability to cut, His jump shot is already well ahead of what any one thought it could be at this point (37.4%3pt, last season 37.7%3pt this season).

Splitter is already one of the pick and roll finishers in the league, but his becoming a truly consistent scorer in the post, would be a huge help in minimizing the massive hole that Duncan's retirement would mean the spurs on offense.

To be honest, I have no idea what the future holds for Patty Mills, Gary Neal, & Cory Joseph. Mills has become an highly efficient pg/sg who can light it up in spurts. Neal baffles me, as a starter he can put points up, but he may take a lot of shots in the process, while defensively, he may negate the offense he does give. He is also rather small, nonathletic and an average arm span, he doesn't seem to be a player who could play 30 minutes a game with Parker beside him for most of the game. Joseph seems primed to be a backup point guard but where is the question, he could turn into an above average play-maker and defender but I'm not entirely sure they would keep him around if they like both Mills and Neal for the future.

The Spurs also have a couple of overseas prospects ,namely Ryan Richards & Davis Bertans, who could become rotation player eventually.

The initial future after the big 3 ends could see the spurs remain a playoff team. That depends on the development of several players key players, solid drafting, and the overall depth of the western conference, not to mention great coaching.

exstatic
01-17-2013, 10:55 PM
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cd021
01-17-2013, 10:56 PM
Posting Error Please Ignore Post

cd021
01-17-2013, 10:56 PM
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My computer, messed up, bear with me.

playblair
01-17-2013, 10:59 PM
parker/joseph

hanga/denmon

kawi/bertans

blair/baynes

splitter/richards

TDMVPDPOY
01-17-2013, 11:24 PM
parker/joseph

hanga/denmon

kawi/bertans

blair/baynes

splitter/richards

piece of shit wont be on the spurs

Spur|n|Austin
01-17-2013, 11:30 PM
My computer, messed up, bear with me.

Ok, thanks, for, the, info,

Chinook
01-17-2013, 11:30 PM
piece of shit wont be on the spurs

I actually don't think there's a better way to say that.

Jumi
01-17-2013, 11:39 PM
parker/joseph

hanga/denmon

kawi/bertans

blair/baynes

splitter/richards

:lol Dude, that team sucks! There's no way the FO puts a lineup like that on the floor!

Damn, I was just trolled!

Juggity
01-17-2013, 11:51 PM
parker/joseph

hanga/denmon

kawi/bertans

blair/baynes

splitter/richards

That is a lottery team

TrainOfThought5
01-18-2013, 12:09 AM
Parker/ De Colo / Cojo
Leonard/ Neal / Hanga
SF free agent / Green
Splitter/ Bertans
Baynes / Hidden gem

cd021
01-18-2013, 12:28 AM
Damn, party got started with out me thanks for not making me feel like an ass, My actual post is officially completed.

cd021
01-18-2013, 12:30 AM
Ok, thanks, for, the, info,

Comma happy,i get it, now,,,,i,...think,?!

FkLA
01-18-2013, 12:43 AM
If Parker wouldve developed a reliable and consistent jumpshoot by now we would probably have one or two more championships, tbh. His lack of a reliable jumpshot singlehandedly cost us 2-3 crucial series. Id actually be pissed if he did a Kidd and developed a great shot once his speed goes because it would show how great Parker couldve been.

TrainOfThought5
01-18-2013, 12:45 AM
Surprised noone has put Oden in the lineup yet for jest.

TDMVPDPOY
01-18-2013, 12:53 AM
If Parker wouldve developed a reliable and consistent jumpshoot by now we would probably have one or two more championships, tbh. His lack of a reliable jumpshot singlehandedly cost us 2-3 crucial series. Id actually be pissed if he did a Kidd and developed a great shot once his speed goes because it would show how great Parker couldve been.

with or without the jumpshot doesnt make a difference, dude is fkn shit when team adjust to him...chuck a bigger player on him and u see him in fetus position

Uriel
01-18-2013, 01:21 AM
tl;dr

outmap
01-18-2013, 02:47 AM
Surprised noone has put Oden in the lineup yet for jest.
As you wish + more: LMAO :D
PG - Parker, CoJo, Mills
SG - Leonard, Green
SF - LeBron :D , Bertans
PF - Splitter, Richards, Diaw
C - Baynes, Oden :D

lefty
01-18-2013, 02:34 PM
with or without the jumpshot doesnt make a difference, dude is fkn shit when team adjust to him...chuck a bigger player on him and u see him in fetus position

:lmao

Richie
01-18-2013, 02:36 PM
That is a lottery team

Spurs are gonna be a lottery teams for at least a few years after Timmy. A bit of luck and good scouting we can be right back in the mix by 2020

cd021
01-18-2013, 10:23 PM
Spurs are gonna be a lottery teams for at least a few years after Timmy. A bit of luck and good scouting we can be right back in the mix by 2020

Playoff team, they won't be nearly that bad. A couple of picks in the teens would be a nice to get compared to the late 20's, could get lucky again and find a great prospect.

cd021
01-18-2013, 11:03 PM
If Parker wouldve developed a reliable and consistent jumpshoot by now we would probably have one or two more championships, tbh. His lack of a reliable jumpshot singlehandedly cost us 2-3 crucial series. Id actually be pissed if he did a Kidd and developed a great shot once his speed goes because it would show how great Parker couldve been.

Parkers jump shot has drastically improved, since the 05' championship. He he's hot he's not to be fucked with. That left elbow area seems to be were he does most of his damage. I don't think he's cost of any series with his jump shooting ,personally. I'm kind of hoping he will developed in that off ball type PG who use what quickness he still has to get free off screens and hit open looks ,that just hasn't been necessary with Duncan and Manu and 3pt specialists.

therealtruth
01-18-2013, 11:24 PM
Parkers jump shot has drastically improved, since the 05' championship. He he's hot he's not to be fucked with. That left elbow area seems to be were he does most of his damage. I don't think he's cost of any series with his jump shooting ,personally. I'm kind of hoping he will developed in that off ball type PG who use what quickness he still has to get free off screens and hit open looks ,that just hasn't been necessary with Duncan and Manu and 3pt specialists.

How about the Grizzlies in '11. Parker misses a jumper and then the Grizzlies go back down the floor and hit a 3 and win game 1. In that series the Grizzlies packed the paint against Parker.

cd021
01-18-2013, 11:33 PM
How about the Grizzlies in '11. Parker misses a jumper and then the Grizzlies go back down the floor and hit a 3 and win game 1. In that series the Grizzlies packed the paint against Parker.

You can't really blame that loss on Parker, instead of say Manu literally playing with a broken arm, can you?Duncan didn't play that great the only player I can remember playing well ,was George Hill.

Parker missed 1 jumper and the Griz hit a 3 on the next play, thats not really making your case.

therealtruth
01-18-2013, 11:52 PM
You can't really blame that loss on Parker, instead of say Manu literally playing with a broken arm, can you?Duncan didn't play that great the only player I can remember playing well ,was George Hill.

Parker missed 1 jumper and the Griz hit a 3 on the next play, thats not really making your case.

That was an important jumper and an open shot. He shouldn't have taken it if he couldn't hit it. They still had time on the clock.

TDMVPDPOY
01-19-2013, 12:01 AM
lol CoP blaming other players injuries, when his player is the leader of the team and time to shine his skillset pretty much sums it up about him...a fkn choke artists...

as for GINOBOLI is one smart lad, he only plays in games spurs will win, and takes a break with injuries against teams spurs are going to lose with or without his presence...explains why he has the best winning % out of the big 3.....ginoboli is just protecting that stat of his....

gee
01-19-2013, 01:25 AM
explains why he has the best winning % out of the big 3
best in the nba

SpursRock20
01-19-2013, 01:27 AM
explains why he has the best winning % out of the big 3.....ginoboli is just protecting that stat of his....

Easy to explain. Duncan has the third highest because he has been here the longest and a few years without the other 2 of the big 3. Parker is second highest because he came next. Manu came third. When all three of those players are playing, it increases the winning percentage.

HarlemHeat37
01-19-2013, 01:42 AM
If the Spurs retained Pop's services/system, along with Parker/Leonard/Splitter, they would be similar to today's Nuggets..a perennial 7th/8th seed and 1st round exit..

I don't believe Pop/Parker will stick around after Duncan/Manu retire, tbh, thus leading to a logical and required full rebuild..

cd021
01-20-2013, 01:47 PM
That was an important jumper and an open shot. He shouldn't have taken it if he couldn't hit it. They still had time on the clock.

He can hit it, players miss wide open jumpers all of the time its not a given an player makes it. He hit a contested jumper of Ibaka in the home opener to win the game. Its not like he could of tossed in to Duncan and get an score in that series.

cd021
01-20-2013, 01:49 PM
I'm suprised someone mentioned Denmon. Even down the road the odds are pretty stacked against him to make a roster, let alone ours.

PingPong
01-20-2013, 07:09 PM
Will Parker turn the Spur's kobe?

Ditty
01-20-2013, 07:11 PM
Hopefully the Spurs will blow it up at the end of next season, and look into trading Parker to a up and coming team that needs a point guard, and veteran presence in which they give us a a solid young player and a 1st rounder in return. From the current way the spurs have their contracts structured it looks like next year will be the last season they go it for all. I just hope Kawhi continues to look promising, and Spurs don't take the route of the Houston Rockets and try to compete year by year but always short of making the playoffs. I don't mind sucking for about two years if it means we will be contenders for 10+ years.

Arcadian
01-20-2013, 07:38 PM
It'll be interesting to see if Parker can truly bear the burden of being a #1 player on a team. If he can, the Spurs will be remain a playoff team into his twilight years. If he can't...may we all fear the demise of the Spurs.

cd021
01-20-2013, 10:05 PM
Hopefully the Spurs will blow it up at the end of next season, and look into trading Parker to a up and coming team that needs a point guard, and veteran presence in which they give us a a solid young player and a 1st rounder in return. From the current way the spurs have their contracts structured it looks like next year will be the last season they go it for all. I just hope Kawhi continues to look promising, and Spurs don't take the route of the Houston Rockets and try to compete year by year but always short of making the playoffs. I don't mind sucking for about two years if it means we will be contenders for 10+ years.

Duncan would still be under contract, doubt they would move Parker if Duncan returns for his final season. Parker would be 32 he is much more valuable to us than another team at that point, I'd doubt anyone would give up a 1st rounder just to have Parker for one season unless they are a playoff team in desperate need of a talented, but aging point guard. The Spurs are still going to be contenders for at least the next two seasons. I Agree that the Rockets way isn't something the Spurs should do. We are gonna need to suck for a couple of seasons to get some top 10 picks (hopefully in good drafts)

Ditty
01-21-2013, 12:06 AM
Duncan would still be under contract, doubt they would move Parker if Duncan returns for his final season. Parker would be 32 he is much more valuable to us than another team at that point, I'd doubt anyone would give up a 1st rounder just to have Parker for one season unless they are a playoff team in desperate need of a talented, but aging point guard. The Spurs are still going to be contenders for at least the next two seasons. I Agree that the Rockets way isn't something the Spurs should do. We are gonna need to suck for a couple of seasons to get some top 10 picks (hopefully in good drafts)

Duncan has a player option his 3rd season. I would hope Duncan retires at top with the Spurs either next year or the following year, but Ginobili will be gone after this or next year, and Kawhi Leonard would have to put up at least 15+ ppg to replace Manu's production. Parker looks like he isn't slowing down anytime soon, for a nice expering contract to a team that could possibly put up a solid regular season record and give us a middle to late first round pick I think that would be more then fair unless Parker deals with injuries and numbers start to decline.