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Th'Pusher
01-18-2013, 01:06 PM
POLITICO Breaking News


01/18/13 12:53PM EST (expires: 01/18/13 01:53PM)


House Republicans will vote next week on a plan to raise the nation’s debt ceiling for three months, and it will include a provision that would stop pay for members of Congress if the Senate doesn’t pass a budget, GOP officials said Friday.

:lol

Three months? These fuckers love crisis.

Th'Pusher
01-18-2013, 01:08 PM
I thought the economy needed certainty?

boutons_deux
01-18-2013, 01:11 PM
Repug mafia intent on extorting spending cuts now that THEIR decades-long tax-cutting, unfunded spending and wars, and economic misgovernance cranked up the deficit.

Starving The Beast.

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 01:14 PM
Three months? These fuckers love crisis.so long as the debt ceiling gets raised as needed, what's the crisis?

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 01:18 PM
not getting paid?

Th'Pusher
01-18-2013, 01:18 PM
so long as the debt ceiling gets raised as needed, what's the crisis?

Point taken. Substitute the word attention for crisis

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 01:19 PM
All politicians love attention. Republicans hardly have the corner on that.

boutons_deux
01-18-2013, 01:47 PM
so long as the debt ceiling gets raised as needed, what's the crisis?

there's be another US-defaulting in 3 months, with all the REPUG distracting/obstructing propaganda around it.

the deficit ISN'T A PROBLEM. kill the stupid debt ceiling regulation.

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 01:51 PM
there's be another US-defaulting in 3 months, with all the REPUG distracting/obstructing propaganda around it.you're predicting the US will default in three months?

boutons_deux
01-18-2013, 02:04 PM
you're predicting the US will default in three months?

no, I'm predicting the VRWC/Repugs will continue to abuse the debt ceiling to obstruct govt from REAL issues. It's part of their kill-govt strategy.

coyotes_geek
01-18-2013, 02:06 PM
Let's just have a day by day debt ceiling. 8am vote every morning as to whether or not the federal government should be allowed to spend any money that day.

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 02:09 PM
It's part of their kill-govt strategy....that made government bigger while they had power. lip service to small government is just that.

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 02:10 PM
Let's just have a day by day debt ceiling. 8am vote every morning as to whether or not the federal government should be allowed to spend any money that day.how much certainty do the markets need?

coyotes_geek
01-18-2013, 02:13 PM
how much certainty do the markets need?

According to congress, none whatsoever.

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 02:15 PM
three months is none, in your view?

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 02:17 PM
Between 1940 and January 2013, the debt ceiling was raised 54 times during Republican presidential administrations and 40 times during Democratic administrations. The ceiling was raised the most times (18) during President Reagan's administration, with no other President exceeding 10 times. During President Obama's first term, the ceiling was raised six times.[59] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt#cite_note-59)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt#Debt_ceiling

coyotes_geek
01-18-2013, 02:20 PM
Pretty much. It's still just more can kicking without any kind of substantive resolution.

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 02:25 PM
agreed. either we'll fix it or the market will fix it for us. I tend to think it'll be the latter.

FuzzyLumpkins
01-18-2013, 02:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt#Debt_ceiling

Interesting. They raise the debt ceiling by a specific amount right?

coyotes_geek
01-18-2013, 02:32 PM
agreed. either we'll fix it or the market will fix it for us. I tend to think it'll be the latter.

I think so too. So long as congress remains more scared of political backlash from cutting someone's beloved spending than they are of panicky markets causing a crash, nothing will get done.

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 02:39 PM
Interesting. They raise the debt ceiling by a specific amount right?it's a nominal cap. I say nominal because it doesn't really function as a cap.

FuzzyLumpkins
01-18-2013, 02:42 PM
it's a nominal cap. I say nominal because it doesn't really function as a cap.

So then it's 'spend as much as you want this year' more or less. Fiscal policy is crazy stuff.

Winehole23
01-18-2013, 02:53 PM
So then it's 'spend as much as you want this year' more or less.sort of. the cap does have to be raised so the debt can rise.

DarrinS
01-18-2013, 03:08 PM
Just keep spending and raising the debt limit. What's the big deal? Not even a problem, tbh. In fact, the govt. is not spending nearly enough.


Sincerely,


http://cdn.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2011/04/Paul-Krugman-with-Cat.jpg

boutons_deux
01-18-2013, 03:13 PM
Just keep spending and raising the debt limit. What's the big deal? Not even a problem, tbh. In fact, the govt. is not spending nearly enough.


Sincerely,


http://cdn.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2011/04/Paul-Krugman-with-Cat.jpg

Krugman is right on Barry's stimulus being way too small. Shoulda been about $2T. you and Repugs are wrong to say Barry's stimulus failed. It succeeded as as it went.

DarrinS
01-18-2013, 03:17 PM
Krugman is right on Barry's stimulus being way too small. Shoulda been about $2T. you and Repugs are wrong to say Barry's stimulus failed. It succeeded as as it went.



NdkhEY89dcY

spursncowboys
01-18-2013, 03:17 PM
Just keep spending and raising the debt limit. What's the big deal? Not even a problem, tbh. In fact, the govt. is not spending nearly enough.


Sincerely,


http://cdn.dealbreaker.com/uploads/2011/04/Paul-Krugman-with-Cat.jpg
Sounds like a sci-fi novel

ElNono
01-18-2013, 03:31 PM
Funny the Krueger even got Darrin's attention... he must be doing something right...

Th'Pusher
01-18-2013, 03:37 PM
Funny the Krueger even got Darrin's attention... he must be doing something right...
Got his attention? Concience of a Liberal is DarrinS home page.

EVAY
01-18-2013, 04:59 PM
Let's just have a day by day debt ceiling. 8am vote every morning as to whether or not the federal government should be allowed to spend any money that day.

Problem is that they already spent the money. Raising the debt ceiling is not about spending more....it is about paying for what you already spent.

Winehole23
01-19-2013, 06:41 AM
US president rubber stamps the spending; the US Congress passes it. All spending originates in the House.

boutons_deux
01-19-2013, 09:36 AM
NdkhEY89dcY

YOU LIE

Human-Americans were pushed into poverty by the VRWC's Banksters' Great Depression, after the housing/credit bubble and the financial sector going bankrupt, not by Barry.