Most overrated/underrated players?..

[HarlemHeat37]

Who are the most overrated and underrated players in the NBA today?..

Just to clarify for the inevitable arguments, I'm not sure a highly criticized player like a Dwight Howard can be overrated, but it's subjective, obviously..

Overrated

1. Guards that can't shoot..Rondo, Wall, Eric Bledsoe, etc..these point guards are constantly hyped for their regular season success, versatility and athleticism by fans that are oblivious to the fact that all of these guys are easy to shut down in a 7-game series, tbh..

2. Josh Smith..he has made minimal improvements, yet fans on every forum have a hard-on for him..his style of play doesn't translate to championship-level basketball, and his attitude is terrible..

3. Marcin Gortat..he's a decent player, but he has always been an under the radar player that was so underrated that he has become overrated IMO..

4. Deron Williams..I had him at #1 in prior years, but media/fans have finally begun to realize that he's overrated..

5. LaMarcus Aldridge..very good player, but he's soft and does not have the mentality to be a #1 option, tbh..

Underrated

I don't have an order here, there are just some players that jumped out at me..

- Jarrett Jack..he's probably the best backup PG in the NBA..this is his second consecutive solid season, his style of play fits perfectly with the Warriors and he isn't a liability on the defensive end.

- Omer Asik..he has started to receive some credit, but most people still aren't aware of his defensive impact..statistically, it's arguable that he's the best defensive player in the NBA..he has been a huge reason for Houston's inflated record on a team with only 2 standout players, tbh.

- Mike Conley..he receives less credit than Rudy Gay and even Tony Allen..he's an elite defensive PG, he's a very good game manager(the type of PGs that win titles), he's just steady..

- Larry Sanders..his offense is still very raw, but he's a defensive beast..he has improved from last season, he's arguably their most important player at this point..Ibaka-esque, defensively..

- Nikola Pekovic..most fans/media now realize his impact, but he still doesn't receive enough credit..he is arguably the strongest player on the court at all times, his p&r game is solid, and his defense isn't as bad as perceived, especially his post defense..

- Nikola Vucevic..he's still raw and flawed, but he has displayed unexpected upside, particularly on the boards..

[FkLA]

Overrated: PFs that have a 'knack for rebounding', can put up double doubles consistently, but are shit on defense.

Boozer
David Lee
Gooden
Blair (before his non-ACLs gave out)

These type of players are nowhere near as good as their numbers suggest.

[Clipper Nation]

Eric Bledsoe was actually pretty damn useful in the playoffs last year due to his defense, tbh.... he shut down and exposed Conley in that Memphis series....

Anyway...

Overrated:
Deron Williams - washed-up, fat, only gives a damn in games against CP3, was never better than CP3 and definitely isn't now

Kevin Love - stat-padding douchebag, terrible teammate and leader, quintessential "big numbers on a bad team" guy

Kobe Bryant - has a legion of delusional fantards who think he's better than Jordan, a great clutch player, and still a top 5 player in the league, when he's really just a bricklaying ballhog who hasn't tried on defense in years

Avery Bradley and Iman Shumpert - Celticfan and Knickfan take turns annoyingly declaring these guys as DA SAVE-YAH simply because of their defense and nothing else

Dwight Howard - the textbook monkeyballer, who relies 100% on athleticism, can only dunk and block shots, and put up inflated stats for years against weak competition in the East on a team perfectly suited to his game... and even still had to defer to Hedo as team leader

Underrated:
Blake Griffin - thanks to ESPN only showing his dunks, everyone who doesn't watch full Clipper games swears up and down that Blake has no post moves, no defensive skills, can't shoot free throws, and has no jump shot, even this year when he's improved by leaps and bounds in all those categories

Jrue Holliday - good young guard, really starting to come into his own now that he's being given increased responsibilities

Larry Sanders - young defensive big with Tyson Chandler potential

Paul George - star in the making

[DeadlyDynasty]

Underrated: Earl Clark

[Raven]

underrated:
Carlos Delfino, Danny Green, Thabo Sefolosha, Blake Griffin, Enes Kanter

overrated:
Carmelo Anthony, Kome, Jared Dudley, Irving, Lee.

[Mal]

Overated - Bosh, Kobe, Westbrook, Gay, Boozer

Underrated - Asik, Dudley, Deng, Noah

[StrengthAndHonor]

That's a pretty good list OP except I don't think Mike Conley is underrated. He gets mad love around the forum (from people who watch Grizzlies games).

Some of the underrated players IMO are Sefalosha and Matt Barnes. They're basically cut from the same cloth except Sefalosha is a bit smarter on the ball defender. Matt Barnes has done wonders for the Clippers and he came in with such a cheap price tag. Another player that doesn't get much love is David Lee. I know people are voting him in the AS Game this year but its funny when non Warriors fans still credits Stephen Curry as if he's the second coming of Mitch Richmond lol.


Overrated players, you have Dwight Howard. I've never seen a Superstar big man who cracks under the pressure like this guy. He's such a liability for the Lakers in the 4th. He doesn't have a go to move and he's horrible at the line. For a team, who has more moral victories than the Human Rights activists, the Lakers could seriously use those extra 4-6 points Dwight misses on the line. ANother guys is Melo. He's the same guy as last year except his team is winning more games and people all of a sudden sees him under a different light (better leader, better defender etc) which is bullocks.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

No love for Greg Monroe?

[spursncowboys]

Who are the most overrated and underrated players in the NBA today?..

Just to clarify for the inevitable arguments, I'm not sure a highly criticized player like a Dwight Howard can be overrated, but it's subjective, obviously..

Overrated

1. Guards that can't shoot..Rondo, Wall, Eric Bledsoe, etc..these point guards are constantly hyped for their regular season success, versatility and athleticism by fans that are oblivious to the fact that all of these guys are easy to shut down in a 7-game series, tbh..

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I would rather have the greatest passer as PG than the greatest shooter. PG's biggest asset should be to manage the ball, clock and plays.

[ElNono]

Mike Conley is a guard that can't shoot (.412 & .368)... does that make him overrated and underrated at the same time?

[HarlemHeat37]

Conley is a game manager though, that's my point..

Rondo, Wall and all those players are star players on their teams, and Eric Bledsoe is receiving the "future" hype..it's very easy to shut down a star guard that can't shoot, and it kills their team..

[StrengthAndHonor]

Mike Conley is a guard that can't shoot (.412 & .368)... does that make him overrated and underrated at the same time?

I also think he doesn't have the mentality to run a championship/contender squad. For example, last night he was called for a 5 second inbound violation. The referee was right beside him counting 1-5 and Conley was zoned out. I've never seen any legitimate Point Guards making this mistake.

[HarlemHeat37]

Conley is the type of PG that wins championships..he plays great defense and manages the game..

Role-playing PGs win championships, not star PGs..

[DPG21920]

lol people calling guys like Delfino and Barnes underrated. Just because a guy is in a perfect situation and playing flukishly well, doesn't make him underrated. Especially guys that have been around for a long time and you know what they are.

Overrated Guys:

Aldridge: Only say that because of his role. If he were in a better situation and was a second option, he would probably be pretty damn legit.

Rudy Gay: Talented guy but doesn't really excel in any one area. Has great moments,but can't consistently be a go to guy for long spurts IMO.

Jamal Crawford: Iso-oriented, innefficent and no defense. People speak of him as if he Wade-caliber and it's ridiculous to me. He's a solid player, but just because a guy is not afraid to shoot, doesn't make him awesome.

Greivis Vasquez: Having a damn solid season statistically, but I can already see people talking about this guy as the "underrated" guy. When I watch him, I see nothing that tells me he can be a legit PG on a playoff team. Could be wrong here, but I don't see it.

Paul George: This one is tough because I think he is a very, very talented player, but people seem to be hyping him up quite a bit. He has very shaky handles, not a good play maker and I don't think he is a true legit number one offensive option. He might get there if he can improve, but as of now people already talking about him like he's already there and I disagree. He's very good though.

Underrated:

Luol Deng: Very versatile, solid across the board and while not a legit number one offensive option, he is a championship level role player IMO.

JR Smith: Not very efficient, but can score and unlike a guy like Jamal Crawford, he can actually do other basketball activities when engaged: Pass very well, rebound and occassionally defend. His issue is that he gets too shot happy instead of being a playmaker, his bball IQ is awful and he doesn't stay engaged enough to be consistently as good as he should be.

Asik/Splitter: Both damn good guys that are much better than they look on both ends.

Homer pick: Tony Parker: Dude is easily forgotten but he is a stud offensively, continues to improve his all around game and competes with the top PG's all the time. He's solid defensively when he is engaged too. Not a Kobe type build around guy, but definitely underrated with how he is left out of elite convos.
Definitely some others, but here is a start..

[irishock]

Harden is overrated. Guy is not a championship #1 option.

[HarlemHeat37]

Disagree with Paul George..I can buy the argument that his offense is overrated, he isn't a great offensive player, but he's an elite perimeter defender, tbh, which is rare in a go-to option..

Fully agree with Vasquez..he reminds me of Jose Calderon, a guy that will eventually become overrated due to his numbers and "steady" approach..

Parker is a homer pick, but it's true..a large portion of the Spurs fanbase even downplays his contributions..

[StrengthAndHonor]

JR Smith is underrated? :lol If winning basketball is not your thing then I agree. I think he should be an All Star lol.

[smaka]

overrated:

Kobrick, Kevin the stat padder Love, Bible Kemp, Williams, Monta I-am-better-than-Wade Ellis, Jennings, Rubio...

[Brunodf]

Overrated:

Lin,
Joe Johnson
Amare, Carmelo
Gasol
DH
Kobe
Lee
Love
Rubio
Wade
Scola,
Cousins,
D.Williams,
Gay
Aldridge
P.Geroge
KG
Bargnani

Underrated:

Varejao
Asik
Harden
Conley
JJ Hickson
Iguodala
Lawson
Curry
Crawford
Deng
Noah
Duncan

[DPG21920]

Disagree with Paul George..I can buy the argument that his offense is overrated, he isn't a great offensive player, but he's an elite perimeter defender, tbh, which is rare in a go-to option..

Fully agree with Vasquez..he reminds me of Jose Calderon, a guy that will eventually become overrated due to his numbers and "steady" approach..

Parker is a homer pick, but it's true..a large portion of the Spurs fanbase even downplays his contributions..

Ya, I said the Paul George one was tough because of that. I just think that the hype about his offensive game is starting to become a little too much. He can shoot, is a damn good athlete but his handles and vision are so shaky that I don't think at this point he is truly a "the man" type of offensive player. It's splitting hairs and it's more because of some of the comments than his actual play that I put him on there.

[mavs>spurs]

dpg is a pretty overrated player, as far as underrated i gotta go with m>s or bump

[DPG21920]

M>S is the Ryan Hollins of posting tbh..

[mavs>spurs]

^says muggsy bogues

[DPG21920]

Mugsy>>Hollins. And cooler too.

[mavs>spurs]

i'm more like 2005 mike james, slightly above average height guy who's a little short for a basketball player, streaky scorer and elite defensively

[timvp]

As far as All-Stars who are still underrated:

It is a homer pick but Parker is definitely underrated. Even Spurs fans don't really like him (they'd trade him in a second for a ":crypure passing, ball dominant point guard:cry" even though that type of point guard doesn't win championships). But there aren't many point guards out there that can win games basically by himself. Hugely underrated passer and ballhandler and when he's trying, he's an underrated defender (Westbrook destroyed everyone in the playoff last year other than him). Considering he's short (for NBA standards) and can't jump (by any standards) his ability to dominate at times is pretty amazing. The cherry on top is he might be the most coachable player in NBA history; whatever Pop tells him to do, he does without hesitancy or second thought. (All that said, he's too small and unathletic to truly be the alpha dog on a championship team, unfortunately. He needs someone else playing at his level or better.)

I think Tyson Chandler is underrated. He got the DPOY and he plays in the biggest media market in the world but somehow he still doesn't get enough credit. His defense is legitimately great -- especially in pick-and-rolls. He's the rare bigman that can defend his space and about a ten foot radius around him. On offense, even though he doesn't have much skill or touch, he's still a major plus because he sets great screens, makes the right pass and doesn't shoot bad shots. When it comes to actually influencing wins, he's probably top ten in the league.

Paul Pierce is underrated. He's easily better than Rondo or KG ... and has been the whole time since 2008. If he were born in French Lick and Larry Bird were born in Inglewood, Paul Pierce would be regarded as the best Celtic ever and a top 15 player of All-Time, tbh. Great scorer who picks and chooses his spots. He doesn't rack up a ton of filler/trash points (glances at you know who). Can play with the ball or off the ball. Very good passer. Gets to the line a ton. Can play lockdown defense when needed. Can play huge minutes without getting tired when needed. Rarely gets injured or takes games off. Doesn't care if he's viewed as first, second or third banana. He's slowing down now but he had a damn great career.

And finally, LeBron is underrated. He's so got damn good that people are starting to get immune to it. Best complete athlete in the game when you consider size, speed, agility, jumping ability, quick reactions, quick feet, etc. On top of that he's amazingly skilled. Maybe someone like Chris Paul has more skill but it's debatable. Top it off with elite court vision and a newfound clutchness ... and, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, his peak right now is probably closer to Jordan than most of us want to admit.

[DPG21920]

How can you say TP is unathletic? He's basically the fastest player in the NBA?

[timvp]

How can you say TP is unathletic? He's basically the fastest player in the NBA?

He is the fastest player in the NBA but I was talking about jumping/power/physicality in the air. Speed is easier gameplanned against in the playoffs. We know dis.

Where was Bargnani on your list, tbh?

[DPG21920]

Don't change the subject tbh. Calling the fastest player in the NBA unathletic is just going a bit too far. He's actually damn strong too while in the air. He takes numerous hits and finishes in the paint better than any guard in the league. It's why I had TP on my list first :hat

Where do you have JJ Hickson on your list, timvp ?

[timvp]

Parker compared to the average NBA player can't jump and can't barrel over players. Not sure what part of this you are disagreeing with, IMO.

Hickson was definitely underrated when the Kings waived him and only the Blazers claimed him. But he's probably rated about right again.

So, what about Bargnani?

[DPG21920]

Ya, he can't jump or barrel over players, but I am clearly disagreeing with you calling the fastest player in the NBA with really good strength at taking contact and finishing in the paint unathletic. Is he Lebron? No, but even if speed is easier to game plan against, if you are the fastest dude amongst super fast dudes you are athletic IMO..

Bargnani is rated properly. He is terrible outside of hitting FT's and decent 3 pointers but everyone realizes how bad he is.

[timvp]

Ya, he can't jump or barrel over players, but I am clearly disagreeing with you calling the fastest player in the NBA with really good strength at taking contact and finishing in the paint unathletic. Is he Lebron? No, but even if speed is easier to game plan against, if you are the fastest dude amongst super fast dudes you are athletic IMO..I had already spelled out I was talking about height and jumping ability. Read it again. I apologize if going shorthand and putting "unathletic" confused you. I guess I should have retyped what I said a couple sentences earlier, fwiw.


Bargnani is rated properly.

Still drinking dat Koolaid :lol

[DPG21920]

As far as All-Stars who are still underrated:

It is a homer pick but Parker is definitely underrated. Even Spurs fans don't really like him (they'd trade him in a second for a ":crypure passing, ball dominant point guard:cry" even though that type of point guard doesn't win championships). But there aren't many point guards out there that can win games basically by himself. Hugely underrated passer and ballhandler and when he's trying, he's an underrated defender (Westbrook destroyed everyone in the playoff last year other than him). Considering he's short (for NBA standards) and can't jump (by any standards) his ability to dominate at times is pretty amazing. The cherry on top is he might be the most coachable player in NBA history; whatever Pop tells him to do, he does without hesitancy or second thought. (All that said, he's too small and unathletic to truly be the alpha dog on a championship team, unfortunately. He needs someone else playing at his level or better.)
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This is what you said. You made no mention of anything other than jumping ability and then again called him too unathletic. I combated that by saying he's the fastest dude in the NBA and pretty damn strong in the air/paint. Sorry you stretched it a bit too much for my liking. No big deal, you have now since qualified your definition of unathletic in this scenario so it makes more sense.

[timvp]

It is a homer pick but Parker is definitely underrated. Even Spurs fans don't really like him (they'd trade him in a second for a "pure passing, ball dominant point guard" even though that type of point guard doesn't win championships). But there aren't many point guards out there that can win games basically by himself. Hugely underrated passer and ballhandler and when he's trying, he's an underrated defender (Westbrook destroyed everyone in the playoff last year other than him). Considering he's short (for NBA standards) and can't jump (by any standards) his ability to dominate at times is pretty amazing. The cherry on top is he might be the most coachable player in NBA history; whatever Pop tells him to do, he does without hesitancy or second thought. (All that said, he's too small and unathletic to truly be the alpha dog on a championship team, unfortunately. He needs someone else playing at his level or better.)

That's correctly bolded, tbh. Instead of repeating 11 words, I used five words. I apologize if that was confusing. And now I've more than paid the price of trying to save a few keystrokes, IMO.

[DPG21920]

He is the fastest player in the NBA but I was talking about jumping/power/physicality in the air. Speed is easier gameplanned against in the playoffs. We know dis.

Where was Bargnani on your list, tbh?

:lol you got defensive and then even started adding in power and physicality in the air (wtf :lol)? And started talking about some tangent on game planning in the playoffs like that has anything to do with how athletic someone is.

I wish I wouldn't have said anything since now you opened up some weird can of worms and I don't like going back and forth. Im just here to talk basketball tbh.

[timvp]

Parker doesn't have power or physicality in the air equal to most stars. He's sturdy for his size but he's not a monster like most stars. Again, not sure where the disconnect is, tbh.


I wish I wouldn't have said anything since now you opened up some weird can of worms

Interesting way to describe Bargnani, IMO.

[DPG21920]

But all you said was he's small (which you can still be ultra athletic and small) and that he couldn't jump high (you can still be athletic if you can't jump high). So your assertion was he is unathletic because he is small (which doesn't make any sense) and because he couldn't jump high, correct? If so, I just simply disagreed that he was unathletic considering he's the fastest guy in the NBA and very strong in the air/paint.

I have no idea why you started bringing up power and physicality in the air and game planning after the fact when you never mentioned any of that in your OP :lol

Just let it go man, not that important and I get tired of the back and forth..

[Ghazi]

I'm just confused how can Lebron be underrated? He is considered by everyone to be the best player in basketball and amidst a dominant prime.

[timvp]

I have no idea why you started bringing up power and physicality in the air and game planning after the fact when you never mentioned any of that in your OP :lol


(All that said, he's too small and unathletic to truly be the alpha dog on a championship team, unfortunately. He needs someone else playing at his level or better.)RIF, IMO.

[timvp]

I'm just confused how can Lebron be underrated? He is considered by everyone to be the best player in basketball and amidst a dominant prime.

Jordanesque > Best right now, IMO.

[DPG21920]

That doesn't make any sense and has nothing to do with how athletic someone is. You only mentioned his height and jumping ability until I called you out. Then you started on this strange ultra-defensive tangent on power and physicality and game planing tbh...and essentially boiled it down to he's not Lebron so he's unathletic. Damn, Prhaps :tu

[mavs>spurs]

(you can still be athletic if you can't jump high). So your assertion was he is unathletic because he is small (which doesn't make any sense) and because he couldn't jump high, correct?
:lol you got a dog in this fight, tbh

[timvp]

Good point. The gurl doth protest too much, methinks. Shhhhhhhhh....

[DPG21920]

Holla black.

[FkLA]

smh short shit DPG is such an annoying poster

[TD 21]

Underrated:
Blake Griffin - thanks to ESPN only showing his dunks, everyone who doesn't watch full Clipper games swears up and down that Blake has no post moves, no defensive skills, can't shoot free throws, and has no jump shot, even this year when he's improved by leaps and bounds in all those categories

Agreed. He get's stereotyped as being limited skills wise because of his otherworldly athleticism, but the reality is, he's the best ball handling PF in the league, one of the best passing PF's in the league and he's got an underrated post game, as well as a developing mid range jumper.

It's probably because he had an all time great rookie season, but the expectations have been too high the past few seasons; as if he was going to be a finished product by his second or third season. He's not going to reach the level of James or Durant and if I could build around him or Davis, I'd pick Davis, but he's clearly on track to be, at minimum, a top ten player for the next decade and a future Hall-of-Famer.

Overrated: Marc Gasol. Don't get me wrong, he's a very good all around player, but is far too deferential, a pathetic rebounder given his size/strength and not particularly dominant in any one area.

Underrated: Parker. He's in his 12th season and he just keeps getting better (who else can you say that about?), to the point now where he's either the second or third best PG in the league and a borderline top ten player overall.

[HarlemHeat37]

I was thinking about including Marc Gasol as well, tbh..

His 1 on 1 offense is very overrated, and while he's a solid defensive player, he has arguably the best perimeter D in the NBA to aid him..he's a high-end role player, like Chandler, rather than a franchise-caliber guy..

[Latarian Milton]

parker ain't the fastest player in NBA imho, but he has good jump-shooting skill which makes it more difficult to guard him than those who have nothing but speed.

[cjjr72984]

Not sure about Vasquez being overrated. Sure he's not the most athletic PG, but he can shoot, is a pretty good passer, and hits the boards. Most games this season he's been a triple-double threat.

He's improved his numbers every year in the league and has become a leader on a young Hornets squad that's improving its identity. I really like his game. Sure he's no CP but many in N.O. have been pleasantly surprised at this kids progression.

[RudyRay]

Not sure about Vasquez being overrated. Sure he's not the most athletic PG, but he can shoot, is a pretty good passer, and hits the boards. Most games this season he's been a triple-double threat.

He's improved his numbers every year in the league and has become a leader on a young Hornets squad that's improving its identity. I really like his game. Sure he's no CP but many in N.O. have been pleasantly surprised at this kids progression.

Vasquez is a Solid PG but will never be a star. I would compare him to Jarret Jack. Good to solid but never going to lead a team to the Finals...

[racm]

Vasquez is the perfect PG alongside a ball-dominant SG in Gordon and a budding big man in Davis, IMO... also helps to have a size advantage over most guards, he's a PG in an SG/SF frame...

Now Rondo, he's overrated

:cry but he's a triple double threat!
Sure, but like Kidd he's not a threat if you take away his supporting scorers.
:cry but he plays defense!
Steals != defense. Irving lit him up for 40.

[KaiRMD1]

Jamal Crawford is proving how underrated he is this season, hands down.

[ffadicted]

Blake Griffin for overrated, Jrue Holiday for underrated though I think peepz recognize him now tbh

[rayjayjohnson]

Derrick Favours, David West, Nic Batum are way underrated.

Aldridge, Rondo, Bradley etc all too overrated

[HarlemHeat37]

There's no argument for Blake Griffin being overrated, tbh..

[SpurSwag]

underrated: holiday, david west, parker, ginobili, jarrett jack, carl landry
overrated: marc gasol, roy hibbert, aldridge, rondo

[mathbzh]

I had already spelled out I was talking about height and jumping ability. Read it again. I apologize if going shorthand and putting "unathletic" confused you. I guess I should have retyped what I said a couple sentences earlier, fwiw.


I believe he can't jump "by design". To me it looks like he never put effort in it.
Even when in the air, his game his about horizontality.
A lot of people of Parker size with (IMHO) half of Parker's athleticism can dunk with ease. I see no reason why Parker couldn't.

[scanry]

underrated: holiday, david west, parker, ginobili, jarrett jack, carl landry
overrated: marc gasol, roy hibbert, aldridge, rondo

Marc Gasol is an old school type of center who hardly gets any recognition. He's actually underrated tbh.

[callo1]

Agree 100% on Jack and Conley. Both way underrated.

[racm]

I believe he can't jump "by design". To me it looks like he never put effort in it.
Even when in the air, his game his about horizontality.
A lot of people of Parker size with (IMHO) half of Parker's athleticism can dunk with ease. I see no reason why Parker couldn't.

TP could dunk but why should he? Why dunk when he can throw up a pretty teardrop?


Agree 100% on Jack and Conley. Both way underrated.

They should split the 6th man of the year award between Jack and Carl Landry. Conley's the Grizzlies' third best player IMO.

[ffadicted]

There's no argument for Blake Griffin being overrated, tbh..

Kid is an athletic freak and a human highlight reel, but as far as skill around the basket, he's far behind quite a few PFs (timmy, mgasol, randolph, to name a few). He has quite a lot of work in that area, but his handles are nice so I think he can get there, but he's not. He's also improving on his jumper, but I'd refrain from calling it reliable. Great player, all-star and lots of potential, but the combination of those points makes him hard to be a go-to player, especially late.

Meanwhile a vast majority of the less knowledgeable basketball fans act like he's the next coming of jesus christ with wings, that he's god in human form based on espn highlights served from christopher, that he has the best big man handles (wut lol), that he's the best PF in the league... when in reality ancient 36 year old Duncan is a better player still this season. Blakey boy is definitly good, he's a "great but ppl think he's god" kind of overrated... you'd never build a contender around him, he's not a franchise player... he's just a fantastic piece in a contending team.

[Clipper Nation]

His jumper has improved infinitely from the start of his career, and it looks damn good when he doesn't hesitate (which he still does too many times)...

Statistically, in terms of PPP, Blake is a top-20 post scorer in the league, not bad for someone with supposedly "zero post game"...

His handles and passing skills are really impressive, and he's mastered the most efficient shot in basketball (the dunk)... he's athletic for sure but that's only part of his game.... and the thing is, he's only getting better and adding more to his game with each passing year, so I'd say yes, you can build a contender around him....

[ffadicted]

tbh I never said he has no post game at all, just said it's not top-level lol And you just kind of reiterated the same things in a nicer way, that he has tons of potential but still needs a lot of improvement.

We do disagree on his ability to be a franchise player though

[da_suns_fan]

Overrated:

3) Deron Williams - used to be number one but now most people seem to realize how terrible he is

2) Russell Westbrook - despite all of his crazy "athleticism", it doesnt help him put the ball in the basket (which is literally the name in the game) with any type of efficiency. Likewise his assist/turnover ratio is below average.

1) Carmelo - "YAY POINTS!" thesis. It doesnt matter that his shooting percentage is average and he does literally nothing else well. All pundits care about is that he scored a lot of points (nevermind that he took A LOT of shots).


Underrated:

3) Kenneth Faried: Shoots a great percentage, rebounding MACHINE, never turns it over. Probably the greatest "hustle" player Ive ever seen.

2) Chris Paul - Dude averages a 4:1 assist/turnover ratio, gets almost 4 steals/40 minutes, shoots 52% from two etc. Its just ridiculous

1) Tyson Chandler - You'll never hear him mentioned as one of the best centers because hes not as "talented" offensively as others. Yet hes shot almost SEVENTY percent from the field the last two years. A lot of people would say "because he only takes easy dunks etc". Ok...a lot of big men have no offensive game yet dont shoot anywhere near that mark. Last year he had a PPS of 1.97. Throw in that hes a fantastic rebounder and defender.

[Killakobe81]

As far as All-Stars who are still underrated:

It is a homer pick but Parker is definitely underrated. Even Spurs fans don't really like him (they'd trade him in a second for a ":crypure passing, ball dominant point guard:cry" even though that type of point guard doesn't win championships). But there aren't many point guards out there that can win games basically by himself. Hugely underrated passer and ballhandler and when he's trying, he's an underrated defender (Westbrook destroyed everyone in the playoff last year other than him). Considering he's short (for NBA standards) and can't jump (by any standards) his ability to dominate at times is pretty amazing. The cherry on top is he might be the most coachable player in NBA history; whatever Pop tells him to do, he does without hesitancy or second thought. (All that said, he's too small and unathletic to truly be the alpha dog on a championship team, unfortunately. He needs someone else playing at his level or better.)

I think Tyson Chandler is underrated. He got the DPOY and he plays in the biggest media market in the world but somehow he still doesn't get enough credit. His defense is legitimately great -- especially in pick-and-rolls. He's the rare bigman that can defend his space and about a ten foot radius around him. On offense, even though he doesn't have much skill or touch, he's still a major plus because he sets great screens, makes the right pass and doesn't shoot bad shots. When it comes to actually influencing wins, he's probably top ten in the league.

Paul Pierce is underrated. He's easily better than Rondo or KG ... and has been the whole time since 2008. If he were born in French Lick and Larry Bird were born in Inglewood, Paul Pierce would be regarded as the best Celtic ever and a top 15 player of All-Time, tbh. Great scorer who picks and chooses his spots. He doesn't rack up a ton of filler/trash points (glances at you know who). Can play with the ball or off the ball. Very good passer. Gets to the line a ton. Can play lockdown defense when needed. Can play huge minutes without getting tired when needed. Rarely gets injured or takes games off. Doesn't care if he's viewed as first, second or third banana. He's slowing down now but he had a damn great career.

And finally, LeBron is underrated. He's so got damn good that people are starting to get immune to it. Best complete athlete in the game when you consider size, speed, agility, jumping ability, quick reactions, quick feet, etc. On top of that he's amazingly skilled. Maybe someone like Chris Paul has more skill but it's debatable. Top it off with elite court vision and a newfound clutchness ... and, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, his peak right now is probably closer to Jordan than most of us want to admit.

I co-sign. I do think Paul and few others have more skill but none in a smilar package. Lebron has a ferrari engine in a SUV body without taking out the HEMI ...

I have been saying for years he has a slim chance at GOAT and people here Laker and Spur fans snickered now everyone is starting to re-evaluate. I also said once he starts winning it would be hard to stop. Dude is the most physically gifted player since Shaq. And now that he no longer defers (for the most part) we are seeing maybe, just maybe the GOAT. Needs more rings thoughI dont care what yall say. But if gets 4 or 5 a strong case could be made for Lebron>MJ ...

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Paul Pierce is underrated. He's easily better than Rondo or KG ... and has been the whole time since 2008. If he were born in French Lick and Larry Bird were born in Inglewood, Paul Pierce would be regarded as the best Celtic ever and a top 15 player of All-Time, tbh. Great scorer who picks and chooses his spots. He doesn't rack up a ton of filler/trash points (glances at you know who). Can play with the ball or off the ball. Very good passer. Gets to the line a ton. Can play lockdown defense when needed. Can play huge minutes without getting tired when needed. Rarely gets injured or takes games off. Doesn't care if he's viewed as first, second or third banana. He's slowing down now but he had a damn great career.

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Pierce always has been and always will be underrated. Not a very flashy player, but always gets the job done when they need him to.

[DAF86]

KG > Pierce the year they won the championship and it wasn't all that close, tbh.

[DMC]

Overrated:

3) Deron Williams - used to be number one but now most people seem to realize how terrible he is

2) Russell Westbrook - despite all of his crazy "athleticism", it doesnt help him put the ball in the basket (which is literally the name in the game) with any type of efficiency. Likewise his assist/turnover ratio is below average.

1) Carmelo - "YAY POINTS!" thesis. It doesnt matter that his shooting percentage is average and he does literally nothing else well. All pundits care about is that he scored a lot of points (nevermind that he took A LOT of shots).


Underrated:

3) Kenneth Faried: Shoots a great percentage, rebounding MACHINE, never turns it over. Probably the greatest "hustle" player Ive ever seen.

2) Chris Paul - Dude averages a 4:1 assist/turnover ratio, gets almost 4 steals/40 minutes, shoots 52% from two etc. Its just ridiculous

1) Tyson Chandler - You'll never hear him mentioned as one of the best centers because hes not as "talented" offensively as others. Yet hes shot almost SEVENTY percent from the field the last two years. A lot of people would say "because he only takes easy dunks etc". Ok...a lot of big men have no offensive game yet dont shoot anywhere near that mark. Last year he had a PPS of 1.97. Throw in that hes a fantastic rebounder and defender.

I agree with TC. I never understood why people didn't see that. OKC turned him away, bet they regret that. Dallas should have kept him. He brings a swagger to the teams they don't have without him and he's a presence in the paint.

[Grit and Grind]

I also think he doesn't have the mentality to run a championship/contender squad. For example, last night he was called for a 5 second inbound violation. The referee was right beside him counting 1-5 and Conley was zoned out. I've never seen any legitimate Point Guards making this mistake.

LOL What about CP3

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^Still wandering in the winds trying to find his game in the trace amount of time left after his antics with the officiating....tick tock, tick tock, tick tock...

[FkLA]

Overrated: Dirk-HOF player, world champ, etc but calling him the 2nd best PF of all-time is just dumb. Or thinking hes Top 15 all-time.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol not sure how da_suns_fan thinks Parker is overrated, but claims Chris Paul is underrated..

Chris Paul gets more hype than any other player I've ever seen, amongst players that have accomplished virtually nothing of importance during their careers, tbh..

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:lol not sure how da_suns_fan thinks Parker is overrated, but claims Chris Paul is underrated..

Chris Paul gets more hype than any other player I've ever seen, amongst players that have accomplished virtually nothing of importance during their careers, tbh..

It's a black thing. Paul is black and Parker is French. The distinction is convenient for Media. And so easy. They can't get hurt. And they know it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Bump..

The nigga Mike Conley fulfilling the potential that Harlem saw in him, tbh..I'm so proud:(..

[midnightpulp]

Kevin Martin. Serge Ibaka.

[TDMVPDPOY]

put durant to the list, dude without refs is a fkn scrub...never seen a clown so protected

[Tuddy]

Conley is underrated . Extremely good pg on both ends and has been for years.