Hey liberals, we callin you out again boy!!!!

[mavs>spurs]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/20/us-usa-guns-rallies-idUSBRE90H17A20130120


Rallies across U.S. assail Obama's proposed gun curbs




http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130120&t=2&i=695950619&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=CBRE90J0HMH00 (http://www.reuters.com/article/slideshow/idUSBRE90H17A20130120#a=1)

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130120&t=2&i=695950641&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=CBRE90J0HMI00 (http://www.reuters.com/article/slideshow/idUSBRE90H17A20130120#a=2)





http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130119&t=2&i=695866368&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=CBRE90I1OOR00 (http://www.reuters.com/article/slideshow/idUSBRE90H17A20130120#a=24)




By Nick Carey
Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:47am EST

(Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/video/reuters-tv?videoId=238165734&videoChannel=118066&lc=int_mb_1001)) - Pro-gun activists held "high noon" rallies across the United States on Saturday to defend the right to own firearms that they say is being threatened by President Barack Obama's gun-control proposals.
The U.S. debate (http://www.reuters.com/video/reuters-tv?videoId=238534668&videoChannel=118066&lc=int_mb_1001) over gun control erupted in mid-December after a man armed with an assault rifle killed 20 first-graders and six adults at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut - the deadliest of a string of U.S. shooting sprees last year.
"We are law-abiding citizens, business (http://www.reuters.com/video/reuters-tv?videoId=238993955&videoChannel=118066&lc=int_mb_1001) owners, military, and we are not going to be responsible for other people's criminal actions," former Marine Damon Locke said to applause at a Florida rally he had helped organize.
Some in the crowd of about 1,000 in Brooksville, about an hour north of Tampa, hoisted signs that said: "Stop the Gun Grabbers" and "Gun control isn't about guns, it's about control."
Obama (http://www.reuters.com/video/reuters-tv?videoId=237536565&videoChannel=118066&lc=int_mb_1001) and gun-control advocates have begun a push to reinstitute a U.S. assault weapons ban following the Connecticut massacre. A number of other states have taken up gun legislation, and New York, with among the strictest gun control laws in the country, broadened its assault weapons ban on Tuesday.
Obama (http://www.reuters.com/video/reuters-tv?videoId=237536565&videoChannel=118066&lc=int_mb_1001) has also called for a ban on high-capacity magazines and more stringent background checks for gun purchasers.
On the day the pro-gun rights rallies were being held across the country, five people were wounded in accidents at three gun shows.
Three people were hurt when a 12-gauge shotgun discharged as its owner opened its case at the entrance to a show in North Carolina. Two others were wounded when guns went off accidentally at gun shows in Ohio and Indiana. None of the day's injuries was life-threatening.
DEFIANT MOOD
In Connecticut, a rally for gun rights drew about 1,000 people at the state Capitol, where lawmakers have reacted to the Newtown shooting with proposals to tighten gun-control rules, including limiting access to assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
That did not sit well with gun owner Jessie Buchanan, who attended the rally in Hartford.
"They could take away the 10-round magazine today and tomorrow it would be the five-round and the next day it would be the whole thing," Buchanan said.
In Denver, the mood was defiant as about 500 people, including families with children, gathered in unseasonably warm weather outside the state Capitol.
"I have earned the right to have my guns," said Don Dobyns, an Air Force veteran and former police officer from Colorado Springs, who was among the rally organizers.
Sporting a shirt that read, "Girls with guns," 31-year-old Jennifer Burk said, "My parents didn't raise a victim and the government shouldn't try and make me one."
Gun-control advocates say U.S. civilians have no justifiable need for assault weapons or high-capacity magazines, and they say more background checks will help keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
The reaction has been fierce from gun supporters such as the National Rifle Association, who point to a right to bear arms that is enshrined in the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and which they do not want to see watered down.
On Sunday, gun-control advocates plan to hold a National Gun Prevention Sabbath, where they say 150 houses of worship will call on the faithful to advocate for an "actionable plan to prevent gun violence."
People who have lost loved ones to gun violence will display their photographs, organizers said.
(Reporting by Nick Carey in Chicago, Ebond Udoma in Hartford, Keith Coffman in Denver, Edith Honan in New York and Alex Dobuzinskis in Los Angeles; Editing by Cynthia Johnston and Peter Cooney)

[spursncowboys]

Whoever marketed this as "high noon" needs to be fired.

[Nbadan]

...or fired on.......

(thank you, thank you very much)

[Nbadan]

Gun nuts are hysterical over a proposal that has no chance in Congress, even limiting the size of mags is 50/50 at best and most people want tougher background checks.....nothing will get done and when the next school shooting happens we'll go through the same dog-and-pony show again...

[mavs>spurs]

limiting the size of mags isn't 50/50 at best, it's 100% chance that there will be all out civil war and a division into US north/south when the dust settles, or better yet we just take the whole damn thing back and give it to the people. i'm even for liberating the democrats from their mental slavery and helping them to see the light tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Imagine if these people actually focused their energy on criticizing Obama for renewing the Patriot Act, passing the NDAA, etc., rather than gun controls Obama is allegedly going to pass. We might actually have some constitutional rights in this country restored. Instead Obama is letting people think they have a substantial victory with the 2nd amendment while he strips them of other constitutional rights and gets to monitor their email and phone records without a warrant :lol

[mavs>spurs]

^true, and if you dig through my posts youll see that immediately after Obama pussied out on the executive order reinstating the assault weapon ban i called for us all to put this much effort into getting back our other rights as we did into preserving the 2nd amendment!!!! GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!

[mavs>spurs]

the 2nd amendment protects the first!!!! now lets go out and PROTECT THE FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!! get involved, speak LOUD AND CLEAR!!!! the nanny statists will NEVER take away my freedoms!!!!!!

[Clipper Nation]

Imagine if these people actually focused their energy on criticizing Obama for renewing the Patriot Act, passing the NDAA, etc., rather than gun controls Obama is allegedly going to pass. We might actually have some constitutional rights in this country restored. Instead Obama is letting people think they have a substantial victory with the 2nd amendment while he strips them of other constitutional rights and gets to monitor their email and phone records without a warrant :lol
:cry But... but... you're a lib, you can't be against Obama's foreign policy! :cry /SA210

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^true, and if you dig through my posts youll see that immediately after Obama pussied out on the executive order reinstating the assault weapon ban i called for us all to put this much effort into getting back our other rights as we did into preserving the 2nd amendment!!!! GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!

I wasn't addressing you as much as the millions of NRA members who are jerking themselves off over the fact Obama hasn't taken away their guns as if them having semi-automatic assault weapons is going to restore America and limit Obama's power. If anyone in the South is plotting a Civil War, Obama would have the power to track their emails, be 3 steps ahead of them, and send Feds to their house before they ever had the chance to get organized because of the constitutional rights Bush and Obama have taken away.

The fact people think a backwater hick in Alabama being able to own guns makes the federal government fear the states is comical. Obama simply knows that if you give poor black people food stamps and poor white people guns, they won't give a shit about you repeatedly fucking them over.

[boutons_deux]

"boy"

blatant right-wing racism exposes itself yet again.

the Repug Southern (Confederate) Strategy to recruit racist Dems to Repugs was brilliant, shameless, revolting politics.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

the 2nd amendment protects the first!!!! now lets go out and PROTECT THE FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!! get involved, speak LOUD AND CLEAR!!!! the nanny statists will NEVER take away my freedoms!!!!!!

The 2nd amendment hasn't protected any other amendments, which is evident by all of the constitutional rights Obama has taken away while letting people stockpile an arsenal of weapons in their houses. Any organized uprising to restore constitutional rights would get squashed like a bug because it would catch the government's attention before ever getting that organized.

[ChumpDumper]

[QUOTE=mavs>spurs;6307183]immediately after Obama pussied out on the executive order reinstating the assault weapon ban/QUOTE]lol straw victory

[Oh, Gee!!]

Obama pussied out on the executive order reinstating the assault weapon ban

what a pussy! totally giving due regard to the constitution, seperation of powers, the rule of law, and all that faggot bullshit. AmIRight? What a pussy for not reinstating the ban by executive order, even though he CANNOT order such a ban. What a joke right?

[Borat Sagyidev]

limiting the size of mags isn't 50/50 at best, it's 100% chance that there will be all out civil war and a division into US north/south when the dust settles, or better yet we just take the whole damn thing back and give it to the people. i'm even for liberating the democrats from their mental slavery and helping them to see the light tbh.


:lol

Gotta love some of these gun fanatics, it´s all a video game.

[TSA]

:lol

Gotta love some of these gun fanatics, it´s all a video game.
I wouldn't call m>s a gun nut, I bet he has a 9mm and a shotgun. I would call his bravado foolish though.

[Borat Sagyidev]

Imagine if these people actually focused their energy on criticizing Obama for renewing the Patriot Act, passing the NDAA, etc., rather than gun controls Obama is allegedly going to pass. We might actually have some constitutional rights in this country restored. Instead Obama is letting people think they have a substantial victory with the 2nd amendment while he strips them of other constitutional rights and gets to monitor their email and phone records without a warrant :lol


I wasn't addressing you as much as the millions of NRA members who are jerking themselves off over the fact Obama hasn't taken away their guns as if them having semi-automatic assault weapons is going to restore America and limit Obama's power. If anyone in the South is plotting a Civil War, Obama would have the power to track their emails, be 3 steps ahead of them, and send Feds to their house before they ever had the chance to get organized because of the constitutional rights Bush and Obama have taken away.

The fact people think a backwater hick in Alabama being able to own guns makes the federal government fear the states is comical. Obama simply knows that if you give poor black people food stamps and poor white people guns, they won't give a shit about you repeatedly fucking them over.

This is why the US is going to get steamrolled this century in just about every catagory. The country has been dumbed down, just as the corporatists wanted.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

This is why the US is going to get steamrolled this century in just about every catagory. The country has been dumbed down, just as the corporatists wanted.

Are you agreeing with me or calling me dumbed down :lol

[SA210]

:cry But... but... you're a lib, you can't be against Obama's foreign policy! :cry /SA210

You seem to suck a lot of liberal dick on these boards lol. Especially the fake liberals who don't call for Obamas impeachment for murder, war crimes and treason. Are you that stupid and enslaved in your own mind to admit that you are wrong, and still spinning my point that there is a major difference between simply saying you are against policies (only to appear fair lol), and then actually calling for his head, calling for investigations, etc like the Dems did Bush for the same types of crimes and policies. Must make you feel so much better about yourself to see an argument, then twist the argument into something else just so you can be accepted by them. :lol Fake liberal shill

[spursncowboys]

Gun nuts are hysterical over a proposal that has no chance in Congress, even limiting the size of mags is 50/50 at best and most people want tougher background checks.....nothing will get done and when the next school shooting happens we'll go through the same dog-and-pony show again...

You mean when another school shooting that doesn't involve "assault rifles", whatever that means.

[mercos]

It really is comical how much attention the gun control proposals have gotten in comparison to the Patriot Act and NDAA. Banning the manufacture and sale of assault weapons does not negate the second amendment, while the fourth amendment has basically been cast to the wind since 9/11. The false sense of security people get from guns is laughable when the government can monitor you electronically and target you with drones and cruise missiles.

[TeyshaBlue]

It really is comical how much attention the gun control proposals have gotten in comparison to the Patriot Act and NDAA. Banning the manufacture and sale of assault weapons does not negate the second amendment, while the fourth amendment has basically been cast to the wind since 9/11. The false sense of security people get from guns is laughable when the government can monitor you electronically and target you with drones and cruise missiles.

Fucking thank you!

[mavs>spurs]

Proposals turn into action if we don't keep giving these pussies the dick imho

[vy65]

^ just curious how the 2nd amendment protected the due process rights of all those Japs interned during WWII

[Wild Cobra]

^ just curious how the 2nd amendment protected the due process rights of all those Japs interned during WWII
I will not pretend to completely understand, and I most certainly do not condone what happened, but I believe parts about security in the constitution do allow such things. I'm trying to remember where to find it, but I'm at a loss right now. I do think justification is there though.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Obama has been the best thing to happen to the gun industry and NRA in long time.. yet you have the morons starting threads like this trying to imply that Obama is bad on guns..lol

[George Gervin's Afro]

Proposals turn into action if we don't keep giving these pussies the dick imho

yes I agree we need to take action.. you'd be the first I'd talk to

[mavs>spurs]

George bean3r I will fuck you up

[vy65]

I will not pretend to completely understand, and I most certainly do not condone what happened, but I believe parts about security in the constitution do allow such things. I'm trying to remember where to find it, but I'm at a loss right now. I do think justification is there though.

Sorry, but I missed learning about the part of the constitution that allows the government to round up and intern Japanese-Americans solely on the basis of their race. Care to educate me on that?

[Winehole23]

WC is right. Supreme Court upheld the Presidential order. Korematsu.

[vy65]

WC is right. Supreme Court upheld the Presidential order. Korematsu.

Correct. But that in no way diminishes the fact that Japanese internment constituted one of the greatest infringements on due process rights in the past 100 years. Most constitutional scholars consider Korematsu a supreme embarrassment. And as for WC's point, Korematsu wasn't a habeas case, so I'm not sure which parts of the constitution he's referring to.

[vy65]

WC is right. Supreme Court upheld the Presidential order. Korematsu.

One last thing; DOJ effectively denounced Korematsu in 2011. It has no precedential value now, fwiw.

[Winehole23]

However embarrassing it is, it's still the law of the land. Supreme Court decisions are part of the Constitution.

[Winehole23]

One last thing; DOJ effectively denounced Korematsu in 2011. It has no precedential value now, fwiw.is that the same thing as it being overturned? mightn't a different DOJ issue subsequent guidance that's different?

[vy65]

However embarrassing it is, it's still the law of the land. Supreme Court decisions are part of the Constitution.

Yes and no. Decisions construe the constitution, but that doesn't make it part of the document. Interpretations come and go with the courts whims

[vy65]

is that the same thing as it being overturned? mightn't a different DOJ issue subsequent guidance that's different?

Technically, no. It remains on the books, but neutered.

And yes, a different DOJ could do what you say, just as a different SCOTUS can reverse any of its prior decisions

[Winehole23]

in other words, it's entirely possible you're overstating the demise of Korematsu, just as it's entirely possible the future will prove you correct.

[Winehole23]

Yes and no. Decisions construe the constitution, but that doesn't make it part of the document. Interpretations come and go with the courts whimslike Roe v Wade, for example?

[vy65]

in other words, it's entirely possible you're overstating the demise of Korematsu, just as it's entirely possible the future will prove you correct.

No. Justice Souters concurring opinion in Hamdi gives a good example of the Court's unwillingness to apply Korematsu with any precedential value.

[vy65]

like Roe v Wade, for example?

I suppose so

[Winehole23]

No. Justice Souters concurring opinion in Hamdi gives a good example of the Court's unwillingness to apply Korematsu with any precedential value.it reflects Souter's opinion, sure. that it stands in for the rest of them is mainly your rhetorical flourish.

understatement isn't your thing, huh?

[vy65]

Care to clarify what was overstated?

[Winehole23]

the quaintness of Korematsu and the significance of a single SC Justice's opinion, for example

[Winehole23]

sorry, you were teasing WC when he was right, I interrupted. Please do continue.

[vy65]

the quaintness of Korematsu and the significance of a single SC Justice's opinion, for example

Still don't think so. The government's brief and the majority opinion in Hamdi failed to cite to Korematsu. How do you explain that?

Korematsu is the only case where the government's use of racial discrimination survived strict scrutiny. How do you explain the Court's refusal to follow Korematsu's lead and hold other instances of discrimination also survive strict scrutiny

The House repealed the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 out of fear that the statute would authorize repetition of the events in Korematsu. That concern was stated in legislative history. If Korematsu still has binding precedential value, why would the House express this concern?

Also, what significance would you ascribe to Souter and Gingsberg's concurrence? None?

[Winehole23]

we obviously disagree.

you could turn out to be right, odds might even be for it. but we don't know how it's going to turn out.

[Winehole23]

The House repealed the Emergency Detention Act of 1950 out of fear that the statute would authorize repetition of the events in Korematsu. That concern was stated in legislative history. If Korematsu still has binding precedential value, why would the House express this concern?does this concern bind or restrain the state in any way from repeating them?

[Winehole23]

no, it doesn't. it's just whining.

[Winehole23]

to clarify, good idea not to do it.

[vy65]

does this concern bind or restrain the state in any way from repeating them?

I'd argue that it binds the ability of the Executive to detain individuals absent a congressional declaration.

[Winehole23]

yep, you would.