Bleacher Reports Top 10 PG's, Parker is Number...

[cd021]

(Posted on December 22nd 2013)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1451669-ranking-top-10-point-guards-in-the-nba

1. Chris Paul

2. Derick Rose

3. Kyrie Irving

4.Russell Westbrook

5. Rajon Rondo

6. Deron Williams

7. Tony Parker

8. Stephen Curry

9. Steve Nash

10. Ricky Rubio

Aside from Parker clearly being more efficient player an Westbrook and Rose missing the season, so far, any other beefs with with this list?

[JingleJangleJingle]

kyrie irving? the guy stat-pads on a losing team...the Kevin Love of PGs.

[Leetonidas]

TP is #2 or #3 at the least, imo

and lol at fatass Deron Williams being above him as well Ra_on Rondo

[Jumi]

I can't get to mad at Kyrie. He's a young player on a bad team, but they should get better.

CP3
Rondo
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Williams
Irving
Nash
Rubio
Rose

My list is based on what's going on now, not the future. I also take into account what's required by each point guard to make their team successful and not a cookie cutter idea of what a pg should or shouldn't do.

[timvp]

TP is #2 or #3 at the least, imo

Exactly. CP3 is one. Parker and Westbrook are 2 and 3. You can switch it around depending on what you value in a point guard.

But, yeah, Bleacher Report from a month ago? Yeah, no. No.

[timtonymanu]

:lol Bleacher Report

[timvp]

I can't get to mad at Kyrie. He's a young player on a bad team, but they should get better.

CP3
Rondo
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Williams
Irving
Nash
Rubio
Rose

My list is based on what's going on now, not the future. I also take into account what's required by each point guard to make their team successful and not a cookie cutter idea of what a pg should or shouldn't do.

Highly disagree on Rondo. He's been a huge disappointment this season after his great playoff run. Consider this: the Celtics are better when he's on the bench this season -- and they don't even have a backup point guard. Add in the fact that he's now a mediocre defender all of a sudden and there's no way to put him ahead of Westbrook or Parker.

My top ten off the top of my head:

1. CP3
2. Westbrook/Parker, Parker/Westbrook
4. Curry
5. Irving
6. Rondo
7. Holiday
8. Conley
9. Williams
10. Lillard


If Rose is healthy when he returns, it probably won't take him long to get back to No. 2.

[LakerHater]

Has Rose even played this season??

[jon123spurs]

And yet Tony and Rondo are the only ones with rings on their hand.

[cd98]

Has Rose even played this season??

No. And he was out last season. And who knows how good he will be when he gets back. This list is pretty stupid. Parker, the way he has learned to balance scoring and passing, is the second best point guard in the league, and isn't the second by much.

Unfortunately, most people that rate on that site are influenced by past hype and not actual results. If it were so, Parker would be highly recognized. He was an MVP candidate last year (how many others on that list were), and he's playing even better this year after a brief, slow start.

[DPG21920]

Have to agree with Uncle Timmy VP. Rondo has been a massive disappointment. Their team is struggling largely in part to his sub par play (he is still damn good overall and can have a big impact). His offense has not expanded much and they really needed him to make that jump. He is hitting a few more threes but you can't count on it, he has moments where he hesitates less on jump shots, but not often enough and his defense has been pretty bad. Not to mention his attitude has gotten worse. When you factor that in, there is no way you can put Rondo in the top 5 at the moment IMO.

Chris Paul

Tony Parker
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
Steph Curry
Deron Williams
Conley/Holiday - Holiday/Conley
Rondo
Lillard

Then as of late a group of Lawson, Jameer Nelson, Vasquez, Lowry (who was a top 10 PG before he lost his spot to Calderon due to injury).

[Brunodf]

Parker is at least top 3. :lmao Bleacher Report

[freetiago]

John Wall has been playing well since coming back from injury
if he gets a jumpshot i would put him improve ronjo

[DPG21920]

Now granted, I didn't click the link and read any qualifiers, but if it's based on this year how can Rubio, Nash and Rose on there?

[Cry Havoc]

How you could put Deron ahead of Tony at this point in their careers is an absolute travesty.

Currently healthy, Tony is the 2nd best PG in the game. When Rose comes back, he'll be 3rd. If Tony got the treatment that Westbrick does, he'd average 26+ points a game.

[Jumi]

Highly disagree on Rondo. He's been a huge disappointment this season after his great playoff run. Consider this: the Celtics are better when he's on the bench this season -- and they don't even have a backup point guard. Add in the fact that he's now a mediocre defender all of a sudden and there's no way to put him ahead of Westbrook or Parker.

My top ten off the top of my head:

1. CP3
2. Westbrook/Parker, Parker/Westbrook
4. Curry
5. Irving
6. Rondo
7. Holiday
8. Conley
9. Williams
10. Lillard


If Rose is healthy when he returns, it probably won't take him long to get back to No. 2.

If we disregard Bleacher Report's list of players then I'd go like this

CP3
Rondo
Parker
Westbrook
Curry
Holiday
Lillard
Williams
Conley
Nash

I can give you the point that the numbers say the Celtics are better when Rondo is on the bench. He plays about 37 minutes a game. The question I ask is would the Celtics be better if Rondo wasn't on the team. Everything he does for his team makes him number two for me.
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[spursfan1000]

Rose
Paul
Parker
Rondo
Westbrook

this would be my top 5

[Libri]

No way coach killer should be ahead of Parker.

[superbigtime]

What a farce. It's crap like this that keeps Tony motivated IMO. He's a top 3 PG period. His unique abilities and clutchness, defense, and numbers warrant top 3.

[DMC]

What a farce. It's crap like this that keeps Tony motivated IMO. He's a top 3 PG period. His unique abilities and clutchness, defense, and numbers warrant top 3.

I used to think that too (keeping Tony motivated) but he's never gotten due credit outside of rings and an MVP trophy. Surely he's accustomed to that by now, being in SA.

[Eddy from Austin]

2012 NBA Playoffs - Conference Semifinals - Spurs vs. Clippers

C. Paul PTS: 12.7 AST: 9.2

T. Parker PTS: 17.2 AST: 7.7

SPURS 4 - CLIPPERS 0 (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/matchup/_/teams/spurs-clippers)

[Hoops Czar]

The only career difference between Westbrook and Irving is Russell plays alongside Durant on a winning team. The overall numbers are nearly identical.

fg% 3ptfg% ft% apg stpg topg ppg Ortg Drtg

Westbrook .429 .301 .816 7.0 1.6 3.5 19.5 106 107
Irving .464 .399 .856 5.5 1.3 3.3 20.3 108 109

And over half of Westbrook's assists are to Durant. Irvings assists are to scrubs A B C or D. And a funny thing about asists, the opposing player has to convert and it happens far too less for Irving. Westbrook isn't nearly as good as people make him out to be.

LOL @ Jumi for leaving Irving off his top ten.

Edit- Well, the columns were aligned when I posted. I'm not sure what happened.

[TD 21]

Highly disagree on Rondo. He's been a huge disappointment this season after his great playoff run. Consider this: the Celtics are better when he's on the bench this season -- and they don't even have a backup point guard. Add in the fact that he's now a mediocre defender all of a sudden and there's no way to put him ahead of Westbrook or Parker.

My top ten off the top of my head:

1. CP3
2. Westbrook/Parker, Parker/Westbrook
4. Curry
5. Irving
6. Rondo
7. Holiday
8. Conley
9. Williams
10. Lillard


If Rose is healthy when he returns, it probably won't take him long to get back to No. 2.

Pretty good list, but a bit too shortsighted. Nash is obviously a longtime top ten PG and was a top 7 PG as late as last season, but because of a somewhat rocky start in a highly dysfunctional situation, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt? I think players who have perennially been at an elite or near elite level deserve that.

And I'm not sure if you forgot Lowry or not, but I don't see an argument for Conley or Lillard being better than him. Like Gasol, Conley is quickly becoming overrated for being underrated.

[timvp]

Pretty good list, but a bit too shortsighted. Nash is obviously a longtime top ten PG and was a top 7 PG as late as last season, but because of a somewhat rocky start in a highly dysfunctional situation, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt? I think players who have perennially been at an elite or near elite level deserve that.

And I'm not sure if you forgot Lowry or not, but I don't see an argument for Conley or Lillard being better than him. Conley is quickly becoming overrated for being underrated, like Gasol.

I'm judging with most of the weight on this season. Nash hasn't played much and has been pretty meh when he has played. Lowry hasn't even been the best PG on his own team. In fact, he's pretty much turned into a stat hog coach killer who really doesn't help teams win.







As for Irving, I can't put him any higher since he's the worst defensive player in the NBA. The absolute worst. I might have put him too high the more I think about how bad he is on D.

[Dr. Robert Lee]

I'm a Parker hater and all, but Parker is one of the top three point guards in the NBA. Kyrie Irving? GTFO with that bullshit.

And Ricky Rubio in the top 10? :lol

[TD 21]

I'm judging with most of the weight on this season. Nash hasn't played much and has been pretty meh when he has played. Lowry hasn't even been the best PG on his own team. In fact, he's pretty much turned into a stat hog coach killer who really doesn't help teams win.







As for Irving, I can't put him any higher since he's the worst defensive player in the NBA. The absolute worst. I might have put him too high the more I think about how bad he is on D.

I realize that, but if you're going to do that, then you should specify.

I agree, for this season, Nash is definitely not top ten, but Lowry is. He get's a bad rep, but I haven't seen him pouting since he lost his starting job and this idea that he's a stat hog is foolish. On a team that's not exactly overflowing with primary scoring options, his usage % is only 23.7 (which is barely 3rd on the team, despite the fact that he's by far their best scorer). As far as him being a coach killer and not really helping teams win, the jury is still out. But it's not as if he's played on great teams.

[Hoops Czar]

Third worst...... Irving has a better defensive rating than Westbrook and Parker. Wait, Gary Neal and De Colo are NBA players right?

[TDMVPDPOY]

I'm a Parker hater and all, but Parker is one of the top three point guards in the NBA. Kyrie Irving? GTFO with that bullshit.


ADMITTING DEFEAT? u lack hatred

[spurs10]

Tony is certainly in the top 3. While standings and how great a pg are not mutually exclusive, they are seemingly pretty close. If the criteria is success, which surely should play a part, then TP should be near the top. I'm loving Tony's energy this year. If he can keeps this up, and the other guys can keep up, we have basketball into the summer.
:flag:

[DPG21920]

I'm judging with most of the weight on this season. Nash hasn't played much and has been pretty meh when he has played. Lowry hasn't even been the best PG on his own team. In fact, he's pretty much turned into a stat hog coach killer who really doesn't help teams win.
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Kyle Lowry is pretty damn near an All-Star level player, fwiw.

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Why the sudden change of heart on Lowry? He was clearly (and still is clearly better than Calderon) the best PG on his team until he got injured. Then because Bargnani got hurt at the same time and Calderon got to play with a more talented front court they started losing at a lesser pace so the coach kept Lowry in a bench role.

If you have watched them play, Lowry has done a great job of not complaining, playing hard in his back up role and actually has become a more patient player looking to set others up. His percentages have actually gone up as well: Over the last 30 days he's putting up:

23MPG: 12/3/6 with 2 3's and 1.5 steals on 47% FG & 85% FT :wow. That's compared to a career FG% of 42%. He's not stat hogging at all tbh..


He has a PER 22.39 (which is 13th in the league), has a win share/48 number of .203 (which is incredibly good - Tim Duncan has .206), and his team scores 3 points more per 100 possessions with him on the court and he's a better defender.

You should read this: http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/47689/basketball-decisions-should-the-raptors-keep-kyle-lowry-or-jose-calderon

Just find it odd that before the injury when discussing Lowry putting a hurt on TP possibly he was a "damn near all-star player", then because he got injured for a little while he all of the sudden is worse than Calderon?

[TDMVPDPOY]

calderon is overrated man, dude is only interested in keeping up his efficiency bullshit low stats crap...

[cd021]

kyrie irving? the guy stat-pads on a losing team...the Kevin Love of PGs.

Dude is nice is hell. He can ball but not nearly as good as Parker. He is a top 10 imo

[cd021]

:lol Bleacher Report

Generally a fantastic website, but it seems like they let 20 somethings with opinions write occasionally.

[Monkeyboy14]

Tony is for sure top 3, but its Bleacherreport. What do you expect? My dog could write for that shit.

[Namundy]

Lol Rubio.

[skulls138]

TP is #2 or #3 at the least, imo


I also agree. I say he's better than Westbrook. If Derrick Rose were healthy, maybe he would be ahead of Parker but Parker probably has the best FG% than any of them. Without Parker we would be suckin big time, no disrespect to Duncan.

[hater]

LMAO Rose? that dude hasnt played in a year

and TP over Brick anyday

not only is Parker #2 best PGs he should be #4 in MVP race

frenchman gets no respect. Hopefully he read this today and will go Holy Motors on mofos

[cd021]

2012 NBA Playoffs - Conference Semifinals - Spurs vs. Clippers

C. Paul PTS: 12.7 AST: 9.2

T. Parker PTS: 17.2 AST: 7.7

SPURS 4 - CLIPPERS 0 (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/matchup/_/teams/spurs-clippers)

Paul was playing injured, to be fair

[therealtruth]

That's good. Parker needs to play with a chip on his shoulder. He's had too many no shows in big moments.

[SpursIndonesia]

I don't think Parker give a shit about this thing anymore, he only wants to add his ring count, as much as he can, practically being the MJ of france bball.

[Mr. Body]

(Posted on December 22nd 2013)
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1451669-ranking-top-10-point-guards-in-the-nba

1. Chris Paul

2. Derick Rose

3. Kyrie Irving

4.Russell Westbrook

5. Rajon Rondo

6. Deron Williams

7. Tony Parker

8. Stephen Curry

9. Steve Nash

10. Ricky Rubio

Aside from Parker clearly being more efficient player an Westbrook and Rose missing the season, so far, any other beefs with with this list?

Which of those would make the Spurs better if they swapped out with Parker? Only Paul and a healthy Rose.

[cd021]

That's good. Parker needs to play with a chip on his shoulder. He's had too many no shows in big moments.

Get the sentiment, but I doubt T.P is roaming the net for the B.R top 10 PG's list they seem to do every other week.

[letmk]

Highly disagree on Rondo. He's been a huge disappointment this season after his great playoff run. Consider this: the Celtics are better when he's on the bench this season -- and they don't even have a backup point guard. Add in the fact that he's now a mediocre defender all of a sudden and there's no way to put him ahead of Westbrook or Parker.

My top ten off the top of my head:

1. CP3
2. Westbrook/Parker, Parker/Westbrook
4. Curry
5. Irving
6. Rondo
7. Holiday
8. Conley
9. Williams
10. Lillard


If Rose is healthy when he returns, it probably won't take him long to get back to No. 2.

Didn't do the research on all PGs. But this list makes much more sense.

[cd021]

No Gary Neal? Neal will take 14 shots in 19 minutes to cool off.

[td4mvp21]

2012 NBA Playoffs - Conference Semifinals - Spurs vs. Clippers

C. Paul PTS: 12.7 AST: 9.2

T. Parker PTS: 17.2 AST: 7.7

SPURS 4 - CLIPPERS 0 (http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/matchup/_/teams/spurs-clippers)

Paul was hurt. That has to be considered.

[chazley]

Kyrie is an incredible player, with MVP potential. This is probably the last year he isn't at the top of that list. In fact, there isn't a PG in the league I wouldn't trade him straight up for RIGHT NOW.

[Spurs7794]

Paul was hurt. That has to be considered.

Alot of Spurs fans won't consider such trivialities. People still claim Parker is better than Paul because 3 rings > 0 forgetting that Paul has been the best player on his team every year and Parker has had Manu and Duncan to team up with.

As for the topic here, I think TP is definitely number 2 this year over Westbrook. Westbrook may have more explosive numbers but I think Westbrook hurts his team alot by jacking up shots because he's a volume shooter while Parker is much more under control and not hyperventilating over the idea of not getting his 25 shots up.

[mathbzh]

Westbrook may have more explosive numbers.

per 36 minutes:
Parker : 22/8, 52 FG% 40 3P%
Westbrook: 23/8, 42 FG%, 33 3P%

I take Parker numbers any day.

[Darkwaters]

Kyrie is an incredible player, with MVP potential. This is probably the last year he isn't at the top of that list. In fact, there isn't a PG in the league I wouldn't trade him straight up for RIGHT NOW.

I'm not buying what you're selling.

1) Hes putting up great stats on a very poor team.
2) He makes Steve Nash look like DPOY material

[chazley]

I'm not buying what you're selling.

1) Hes putting up great stats on a very poor team.
2) He makes Steve Nash look like DPOY material

Cleveland isn't 'very poor'. Their record is bad, but they are a rebuilding team who everyone knew was gonna suck this season, and their two best players Kyrie and Andy have missed double-digit games. If anything, they should probably be worse. Keep in mind LBJ also missed the playoffs his first two years in Cleveland and his teams were atrocious, but he turned out to be a decent player.

[Drom John]

With all caveats associated with PER ...

VA = PER *PT

Paul
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Curry
Walker
Holiday
Williams
Calderon
Rondo

[racm]

With all caveats associated with PER ...

VA = PER *PT

Paul
Westbrook
Parker
Irving
Curry
Walker
Holiday
Williams
Calderon
Rondo

The fact that TP's still third on that list despite him averaging slightly fewer minutes than Paul AND much fewer minutes than Westbrook says something.

[Spurs7794]

per 36 minutes:
Parker : 22/8, 52 FG% 40 3P%
Westbrook: 23/8, 42 FG%, 33 3P%

I take Parker numbers any day.

I didn't even look at his numbers. I guess I meant he is a more explosive player and more marketable and people see him strutting and beating his chest after an inefficient game of shooting 9/30. People mistake all the garbage for a better player.

[Darkwaters]

Cleveland isn't 'very poor'. Their record is bad, but they are a rebuilding team who everyone knew was gonna suck this season, and their two best players Kyrie and Andy have missed double-digit games. If anything, they should probably be worse. Keep in mind LBJ also missed the playoffs his first two years in Cleveland and his teams were atrocious, but he turned out to be a decent player.

So now we're comparing Kyrie Irving to Lebron James? I know they both played for Cleveland, but beyond there, I don't get it.

And Cleveland is 11-32...in the East. Thats not exactly good. Besides, a "rebuilding" team is just another way of saying, "I know we're not very good, but one day, in a couple years, we might be above .500". Lets just be honest. You're clearly a Cleveland appologist.

[wildbill2u]

Whew! Look at how many really great PGs are in the West. It will be a shame if Parker isn't selected as an All-star, but the competition is tough and some get a lot more buzz than he does.

[timvp]

Highly disagree on Rondo. He's been a huge disappointment this season after his great playoff run. Consider this: the Celtics are better when he's on the bench this season -- and they don't even have a backup point guard. Add in the fact that he's now a mediocre defender all of a sudden and there's no way to put him ahead of Westbrook or Parker.

Celtics were 20-23 when Rondo got hurt. Without him, they are now 6-0 :wow

[cd021]

per 36 minutes:
Parker : 22/8, 52 FG% 40 3P%
Westbrook: 23/8, 42 FG%, 33 3P%

I take Parker numbers any day.

Parker doesn't take many 3's so I don't put that much stock in that stat but he is clearly more efficient that Westbrook.

[Embedded]

Westbrick is not a leader.

[KaiRMD1]

As much as I can't stand Parker when he plays hero ball, no way is he that far down. Kyrie will be a top point in a couple of years but he's most definitely not a top five point guard now. Same with Westbrook, he doesn't even play like a point guard.

[Mal]

Celtics were 20-23 when Rondo got hurt. Without him, they are now 6-0 :wow

My guess is that, they finally started taking their shots, instead of passing it too much.

Can you find offensive and defensive number for Celtics with their 10+ apg PG ? I think they had difficulty to score more than 90 pts, and now they easilly go with 115.

[mingus]

Lol Rubio. Off the top of my head I would take Holiday, Lawson, Lillard and Vasquez over him. Parker is better than Williams without question. Haven't had a chance to see Irving.

[will_spurs]

Rubio is one of the worst shooters in the NBA. His FG% is so bad it's barely believable...