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cd021
01-22-2013, 10:55 PM
The Los Angeles Lakers (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) have consistently turned away trade inquiries in recent weeks for All-Star center Dwight Howard (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2384/dwight-howard) and still believe they have a strong chance of signing him to a new contract when Howard becomes an unrestricted free agent this summer, according to sources close to the situation.

But sources told ESPN.com this week that the Lakers might be forced to reconsider that position between now and the Feb. 21 trade deadline because of Howard's growing unhappiness with his role under coach Mike D'Antoni and the potential that raises for Howard leaving them in July without compensation.

Howard has not publicly indicated any desire to sign elsewhere when he becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1 and came to Los Angeles determined to succeed with a minimum amount of fuss after the hits he took image-wise during his drawn-out departure from the Orlando Magic (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/orl/orlando-magic). But sources say that Howard, as the Lakers' struggles have mounted, has dropped hints within team circles about his discomfort in D'Antoni's system and that he could consider moving on if things don't improve or change.


Howard has indeed publicly struggled to mask his frustration in recent days about his role in D'Antoni's offense. After Monday's road loss to the Derrick Rose (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3456/derrick-rose)-less Chicago Bulls (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/chi/chicago-bulls), in which he finished with eight points and attempted just five shots, Howard said: "They made it tough. I missed some shots early, didn't get an opportunity to go to work like I wanted to." When pressed further, Howard repeatedly pointed at a stat sheet (showing five shot attempts) and insisted the Lakers needed to "play inside-out."

"There's nothing I can do," Howard told reporters in Chicago. "Just continue to play. Not get frustrated. As hard as it is, I can't get frustrated."

The Lakers, sources say, have been telling interested teams that they don't want to make a major move of any kind between now and the trade deadline given how tumultuous their season has already been. Following the much-heralded offseason acquisitions of Howard and Steve Nash (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/592/steve-nash), Mike Brown (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3612/mike-brown) was fired after just five games and replaced by D'Antoni after the Lakers flirted with bringing back legendary coach Phil Jackson.


In addition to rebuffing the trade interest in Howard, Lakers officials are also reluctant to trade Pau Gasol (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) for players who fit D'Antoni's system better -- despite Gasol's recent demotion to the bench -- because they still have no assurances Howard will stay beyond this season and don't want to risk losing both of their elite big men after trading away Andrew Bynum (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2748/andrew-bynum) in the original Howard deal last August. The Lakers' league-high $100 million payroll likewise makes it difficult to seriously consider deals involving Gasol because the Spaniard's $19.3 million salary would almost certainly require them to take back long-term contracts they want to avoid, since L.A. has been trying to preserve the considerable payroll flexibility that it's on course to have in the summer of 2014.


The Lakers knew when they acquired Howard in a four-team deal with Orlando, Philadelphia and Denver that the 27-year-old would not immediately sign a contract extension as part of the trade because the league's new labor agreement makes it more financially advantageous for Howard to wait until July to sign his next deal. But the resulting uncertainty those circumstances bring for the Lakers has only added to the pressure felt throughout the organization as they sit seven games below .500 at the midpoint of the 82-game regular season.

When the Lakers hired D'Antoni, it was with the vision of Howard thriving alongside Nash as Amar'e Stoudemire did in Phoenix, operating as the "roll man" in a pick-and-roll offense driven by Nash as opposed to a traditional back-to-basket center.


None of those visions, however, have come to bear yet. With Nash missing seven weeks with a leg fracture -- including D'Antoni's first 16 games in charge -- and Howard still recovering from back surgery last April while also coping with a recent shoulder injury, timing between the two has shown few signs of improvement.

The inability of Howard and Nash to find pick-and-roll harmony has likewise had a ripple effect throughout the roster, with the increasingly under-fire D'Antoni demoting Gasol from the starting lineup Tuesday because he feels Gasol and Howard are both most effective at the center position and haven't learned how yet to play off of each other well.


"Obviously, this isn't working," Lakers star Kobe Bryant (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/110/kobe-bryant) told Yahoo! Sports after the Chicago loss.


"I've tried to go out of my way to get (Howard) the ball. Sometimes I end up looking like an idiot, because I get up in the air, I've got a shot, but I try to find him. But he thinks I'm going to shoot, so his back is turned. I'm trying to think about getting him the ball a lot -- take care of him as much as I possibly can. It takes me out of rhythm a little bit, but I'm fine with that. If that's going to help our team, I'm more than willing to do that.


"I've constantly tried to help him out, tried to talk to him," Bryant continued. "Two o'clock in the morning, three o'clock in the morning. Texting him. Sharing reading materials. Anything to try and help him.


"He's coming off a major surgery in a market where it's just merciless; where there's demands and responsibilities of athletes. It's been tough on him."


The blame in L.A. has been widespread, with both Howard and Gasol facing criticism for not battling through these tough times with the needed resolve, D'Antoni getting second-guessed with rising volume for not tweaking his spread-the-floor system to accommodate his marquee players and Bryant critiquing himself this week for missing too many shots on an 0-2 road trip that has spiraled into six straight losses away from Staples Center and three straight losses overall heading into Thursday's game at Memphis.


Explaining the lineup change that elevated Earl Clark (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3971/earl-clark) to a starting spot over Gasol, D'Antoni told reporters in Chicago: "We got to go small. That's just the way it is. It's after [Gasol] had a great game (with 25 points on 10-for-15 shooting Sunday in Toronto). It's not him. I talked to him and he understands where we have to go and we got to do it."

For his part, Gasol said he was "not happy about" the switch but added that "right now I'm more worried about us as a team and us struggling."


The Lakers have strongly believed from the start that Howard would stay in Los Angeles for the long term, pointing to the franchise's rich tradition with big men and the fact that they don't make a habit of losing their own marquee free agents. But those assumptions were based on the notion that Howard, once he got a taste of the Lakers' championship culture and all the ancillary benefits that come with playing in Los Angeles, wouldn't want to play anywhere else.


These Lakers, however, are miles away from a championship culture. The Chicago loss, its ninth in January, dropped L.A. to 17-24 and down to 12th place in the Western Conference, four games behind eighth-place Houston for the West's final playoff spot.


In a radio appearance two weeks ago on ESPNLA 710, Lakers executive vice president Jim Buss said he was confident Howard would want to stay in Los Angeles regardless of how this season ended up.


"If we make the playoffs, that means we're playing well and I think we'll go deep in the playoffs and it's a no-brainer that he stays," Buss said in the January 10 radio interview. "I think if it continues to fall apart because of injuries, I'm hoping we can convince him: 'Look, everybody was injured, you weren't 100 percent for the whole year, let's give it another shot next year.' It points to 95 percent that we'll be able to keep him. I can't control what he does, but I can sure make a great argument."


The Lakers, beyond all the perks associated with playing for them, have the advantage of being able to offer Howard more money and years than any other team thanks to the NBA's collective bargaining agreement. But they've gone just 2-4 since Buss' comments, with the negative atmosphere around the team only growing amid all the losing.

Calls for D'Antoni, who received a four-year contract in November when he took the job, to go away from small-ball preferences only figure to get louder in the wake of the fresh concerns voiced by
Bryant.


"We need to go back to basics," Bryant told Yahoo! "We need to put guys in positions to do what they do best. We need to strip it down. Steve is best in pick-and-roll. Pau is best in the post. I'm best from the free-throw line extended down. Let's go back to basics.


"We've got to evaluate what's going on. Management is looking at it. The players are looking at it. I'm looking at myself. I'm shooting a low percentage right now, and I've got to look at that. It's on me to make shots, but I'm having to make tough shots, getting the ball 30 feet from the basket and [expletive] like that."

ESPN.com reported earlier this month (http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-130104-05/nba-mark-cuban-anniversary) that there's no shortage of rival executives who believe that the Dallas Mavericks (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/dal/dallas-mavericks) and Atlanta Hawks (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/atl/atlanta-hawks) -- who'll both have the requisite cap space to steal him away -- would get serious consideration from Howard if he decides to explore his options in free agency.


"I have it as Lakers, Dallas or Atlanta for Dwight," one Western Conference GM said recently.

The Brooklyn Nets (http://espn.go.com/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets) are believed to still strongly intrigue Howard as a future destination after the Nets' long-running attempts to trade for him last season. But after re-signing Deron Williams (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2798/deron-williams) and Brook Lopez (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3448/brook-lopez) last summer and taking on more than $300 million in long-term salary commitments, Brooklyn can only acquire Howard via trade now, which would likely require an additional team (or teams) to join in even if the Lakers were amenable.

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So much for the Spurs being a distant 3rd behind the Thunder & Lakers & 4th in line for the Championship. Spurs will be 2nd in the league after tonight (record wise). Lakers 17-24 and lost 11 of 13

During the telecast of the Lakers VS. Chicago game. Gasol was quoted as saying he expected to be moved by the deadline and was unhappy with being a role player and coming off the bench.

KaiRMD1
01-22-2013, 11:05 PM
Man, Lakers are finished. I can't think of who can save this team. Phil?

Dr. Robert Lee
01-22-2013, 11:06 PM
Fkn scrub.

capek
01-22-2013, 11:07 PM
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exstatic
01-22-2013, 11:16 PM
:lol @ Kobe. He made QUITE clear that it was his team and he wasn't entertaining any other positions on the matter, and then he wonders why DH turns his back to rebound when he drives to the hoop. What a moron.

ElNono
01-22-2013, 11:20 PM
“I just.. I don’t understand.. the city here.. for me not trying to bite my tongue and not calling them dumb, which I kinda just did. They’ve seen us win multiple championships here, playing an offense that was tough to learn, that was a sequence of options that weren’t set plays that took five guys being on the same page of working together. They know how that stuff works. For them to be so stupid now. They say, 'Well, let Steve [Nash] dribble the ball around and create opportunities for everybody. And let Dwight [Howard] post up and let me iso.' It’s ... I don’t want to say idiotic, but it’s close."

- Bryant 11/02/12

Viva Las Espuelas
01-22-2013, 11:21 PM
i'm surprised anyone would want that overpaid crybaby. wahhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm unhappy while making millions wwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. gmafb

timtonymanu
01-22-2013, 11:21 PM
You know it's coming already. Some idiot GM will give his franchise player away to the Lakers for nothing.

Spursfanfromafar
01-22-2013, 11:24 PM
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Ha ha ha :)

bigfan
01-22-2013, 11:25 PM
I bet DH ends up with the Mavs pretty soon now.

DapDaGenius
01-23-2013, 12:08 AM
You know it's coming already. Some idiot GM will give his franchise player away to the Lakers for nothing.

I have a feeling this will happen. lol

dylankerouac
01-23-2013, 12:21 AM
Go Celtics go.

MANUNG-Ginobili
01-23-2013, 12:34 AM
do we have the money to sign Howard this off-season if ever he decided to become a free agent? just asking..

MI21
01-23-2013, 12:38 AM
I wonder if the Lakers would take Bonner + Neal + Blair for Dwight?

Juggity
01-23-2013, 12:42 AM
This is easily the most entertaining Lakers saga of all time

baseline bum
01-23-2013, 12:48 AM
You know it's coming already. Some idiot GM will give his franchise player away to the Lakers for nothing.

But unless that franchise is Miami or Methlahoma said franchise would probably still be getting the better end of that deal.

Sean Cagney
01-23-2013, 12:52 AM
You know it's coming already. Some idiot GM will give his franchise player away to the Lakers for nothing.

Oh of course! I wish he would stay there all year and leave next year without anything going to LA! HOWEVER this is the media darlings team and you don't want the Gaykers to stay down too long do you stern? LOL at Kobe, needs a trade every damn few years to try and stay relevant!

RD2191
01-23-2013, 12:53 AM
dwight and duncan front court

cd98
01-23-2013, 12:55 AM
Howard getting ready to do DAntoni like he did Van Gundy.

Obstructed_View
01-23-2013, 02:55 AM
Greatest fantasy basketball defender in history tbh.

SilverSpur
01-23-2013, 04:47 AM
If the Lakers put him up for trade, Dallas will get him.

biskvito
01-23-2013, 05:21 AM
I wonder if the Lakers would take Bonner + Neal + Blair for Dwight?

I know it's impossible but Splitter could be a good fit on LAL... he has zero ego issues and is a pick and roll specialist that can defend... Nash would make him a score machine... Spurs would get DH to be mentored by Duncan and Pop...

Richie
01-23-2013, 05:49 AM
Even if they get Josh Smith back for Howard, they will still need to pay Smith next year, which means they'll still need to dump some salary to avoid a $250m payroll next year

szkorhetz
01-23-2013, 06:07 AM
Even if they get Josh Smith back for Howard, they will still need to pay Smith next year, which means they'll still need to dump some salary to avoid a $250m payroll next year

They will amnesty MWP.

Richie
01-23-2013, 06:23 AM
They will amnesty MWP.

That'll save them $25m. Still a $200m+ wage bill.

Captivus
01-23-2013, 07:53 AM
I've been saying this for a long time now, the new agreement is going to kill teams, not only superteams.
And is not something thats gonna happen in 2 years, it has already began. The Lakers wil be the first team to start moving players.
The worst part will be when teams start to trade players that "shouldnt" be traded if it wasnt a new agreement.

Russo21
01-23-2013, 07:57 AM
Oh no Kobe is not happy with a team consisting of Howard, Gasol, World-Peace and Steve Nash. What a shame, poor Kobe. Does he need Durant, LeBron, Paul and Duncan on his team to be happy. Poor Kobe i feel so bad for him :( Has an owner willing to spend 100 million to fill out the roster. Gee it must be hard being Kobe. I can feel myself tearing up for him. So sad.

dunkman
01-23-2013, 09:00 AM
The Lakers are gonna ship some trash for another franchise player, tbh.

Samr.
01-23-2013, 09:08 AM
Spurs should trade Sjax, neal, bonner and blair for howard. Give the lakers a bench, give the spurs another big.

Hey, Lakers were dumb enough to get D'Antoni. Anything is a possibility after that!

spurtech09
01-23-2013, 12:09 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Budkin
01-23-2013, 12:35 PM
This is easily the most entertaining Lakers saga of all time

Definitely beats out the Kobe/Shaq feud.

Obstructed_View
01-23-2013, 01:51 PM
If the Lakers put him up for trade, Dallas will get him.

Howard for Shawn Marion and Milk Mustard. Make it happen!

Seriously, Dallas doesn't have anything the Lakers would want.

Obstructed_View
01-23-2013, 01:54 PM
BTW, I thought the Lakers had all this scratch to blow on max contracts and luxury tax due to their multi-billion dollar TV contract. It'll be funny if they scream poverty as they dump salaries and refuse to replace the abortion of a coach they hired.

temujin
01-23-2013, 06:50 PM
Props to Van Gundy to reach the Finals with this guy as his center.

He is pathetic, and yes the Lakers saga is extremely enjoyable.

capek
01-23-2013, 06:51 PM
Props to Van Gundy to reach the Finals with this guy as his center.

That's a good point. Gives me new respect for the fat Gundy.

crc21209
01-23-2013, 06:54 PM
:lol Dumb ass Lakers. I knew this experiment was going to be a train wreck before the season began, and boy what a wreck it's been! It'll be pretty damn interesting to see what happens if they do trade him and what they get for him...

Southwest Texas Fan
01-23-2013, 06:58 PM
Coach killer.

therealtruth
01-23-2013, 07:01 PM
The Lakers didn't have the athletes or 3pt shooters for D'Antoni's offense. It was a bad fit. I don't see how anyone who knows basketball could have endorsed that hire. I can't understand why Kupchak won't really speak his mind.

Obstructed_View
01-23-2013, 08:58 PM
The Lakers didn't have the athletes or 3pt shooters for D'Antoni's offense. It was a bad fit. I don't see how anyone who knows basketball could have endorsed that hire. I can't understand why Kupchak won't really speak his mind.

Since it was a Jim Buss hire, nobody who knows basketball endorsed it.

spurraider21
01-23-2013, 09:27 PM
When Mitch makes these acquisitions he's a genius.
When those very moves don't work out, Jim Buss is ruining the team.

spursmartyr
01-23-2013, 11:04 PM
I wonder if the Lakers would take Bonner + Neal + Blair for Dwight?

And about $15 million in cash considerations? Like Holt has that kind of money

hooperflash
01-23-2013, 11:35 PM
THOUGHTS?

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Obstructed_View
01-23-2013, 11:50 PM
When Mitch makes these acquisitions he's a genius.
When those very moves don't work out, Jim Buss is ruining the team.

You seem to be having trouble. Allow me to translate for you...

"Those acquisitions" = the gift of Pau Gasol from Memphis
"Those very moves" = Jim Buss hiring Mike D'Antoni instead of Phil Jackson

DJB
01-24-2013, 12:20 AM
Howard's a scrub.

MI21
01-24-2013, 12:54 AM
And about $15 million in cash considerations? Like Holt has that kind of money

Sorry mate, was just kidding and mocking the typical GNSF and I forgot the blue font.

2centsworth
01-24-2013, 12:56 AM
problem with the lakers is they tried to address their defensive weakness on the perimeter with Steve Nash hahahahaha

spurraider21
01-24-2013, 01:11 AM
You seem to be having trouble. Allow me to translate for you...

"Those acquisitions" = the gift of Pau Gasol from Memphis
"Those very moves" = Jim Buss hiring Mike D'Antoni instead of Phil Jackson
meh. mitch was cheered on after the dwight/nash moves. "they will pay for their basketball reasons"
not that those guys aren't panning out Laker fans are saying stuff like "wow jim buss ruined our future"

99 Problems
01-24-2013, 01:51 AM
Smoke and mirrors about DAntoni offense. When is somebody in the free world media going to start to talk about the Kobe issue. Word is Kobe intends hanging around two more seasons after this. Perhaps that's the time he has calculated that he needs to break the scoring record. Lakers owe him 30 million next season. Now they have a real monster dilemma here. If they sign him for those following two seasons his declining volume shooting will mean no contending for a ring regardless of Dwight or anyone else around. The ball is in the Lakers court. I think they know what they need to do, but this is a player who has held probably more power than any player in Laker history. Will they make that hard decision or shy away.

LASToog36
01-24-2013, 05:54 AM
splitter and diaw for dwight lets go!!!!

Russo21
01-24-2013, 07:07 AM
Lakers owe him 30 million next season

Mate is that for real? Holy fuck.

Obstructed_View
01-24-2013, 08:24 AM
mitch was cheered on after the dwight/nash moves. "they will pay for their basketball reasons"
not that those guys aren't panning out Laker fans are saying stuff like "wow jim buss ruined our future"

Good point. I didn't think about those two. That said, it seemed pretty clear from the outset that the D'Antoni hire was Buss. Hiring Phil would probably have had a vastly different result, so it's kind of a keystone transaction.

look_at_g_shred
01-24-2013, 11:12 AM
#truth

Spur|n|Austin
01-24-2013, 11:17 AM
do we have the money to sign Howard this off-season if ever he decided to become a free agent? just asking..

:rolleyes

Texas_Ranger
01-24-2013, 11:40 AM
do we have the money to sign Howard this off-season if ever he decided to become a free agent? just asking..

sure we have... if Manu retires and Jax and Diaw walk away.

Bruno
01-24-2013, 11:49 AM
The most worrisome about Howard right now is his shoulder. There is a strong possibility that this injury end up with a season ending surgery.

Mel_13
01-24-2013, 11:53 AM
The most worrisome about Howard right now is his shoulder. There is a strong possibility that this injury end up with a season ending surgery.

And even with two consecutive season-ending surgeries, he'll get 20M per season. Very risky proposition for any team, even more so for those teams that typically stay under the tax.

scanry
01-24-2013, 11:58 AM
Hate to bring this up, but i'd be curious to see how people would react if Holt traded Duncan & a filler for Howard? :wow

It could actually make them a lot better this season.

Gagnrath
01-24-2013, 12:53 PM
Hate to bring this up, but i'd be curious to see how people would react if Holt traded Duncan & a filler for Howard? :wow

It could actually make them a lot better this season.

The spurs would only trade Duncan if Mid 90s Jordan shows up asking for a trade of him for Duncan and tosses in a defesnive pf so that the spurs aren't short on bigs.

Chinook
01-24-2013, 01:19 PM
Hate to bring this up, but i'd be curious to see how people would react if Holt traded Duncan & a filler for Howard? :wow

It could actually make them a lot better this season.

Haha, good one.

SpursRock20
01-24-2013, 01:27 PM
Hate to bring this up, but i'd be curious to see how people would react if Holt traded Duncan & a filler for Howard? :wow

It could actually make them a lot better this season.

I would quit watching basketball

temujin
01-24-2013, 02:31 PM
Hate to bring this up, but i'd be curious to see how people would react if Holt traded Duncan & a filler for Howard? :wow

It could actually make them a lot better this season.

Howard is one the most stupid basketball players ever to play in the NBA.
If it wasn't for massive doses of steroids, he probably would play pick up basketball on Sunday morning.
He knows ZERO about team basketball.
He is a joke technically, team-wise, and, I suspect from his ridiculous problems with FTs, he is very unprofesional in his attitude toward his job.
I'll take a 50 years old TD over this kid.

99 Problems
01-24-2013, 04:15 PM
Lakers owe him 30 million next season

Mate is that for real? Holy fuck.


30 big ones.

cd021
01-24-2013, 04:35 PM
Howard is one the most stupid basketball players ever to play in the NBA.
If it wasn't for massive doses of steroids, he probably would play pick up basketball on Sunday morning.
He knows ZERO about team basketball.
He is a joke technically, team-wise, and, I suspect from his ridiculous problems with FTs, he is very unprofesional in his attitude toward his job.
I'll take a 50 years old TD over this kid.

Du Fuq? Are you serious?

TheSkeptic
01-24-2013, 04:44 PM
Du Fuq? Are you serious?

What's to disagree with? The steroids part is debatable, but Howard doesn't play good team basketball, he overrates himself, he's basically a scrub in the post and at the line, winning is secondary to his own agenda, and while his rebounding has been good, he's clearly hurt his teams with his toxic behaviour on and off the court.

Even if we claim that this year is a new season, in spite of his terrible shooting from the line and his lack of skill inside -Howard's still insisting that he should be getting the ball more on offense. This year. Not to mention the whole passive aggressive act. I'm sorry but that's not a good team player. Count me in as another one who would much rather have Duncan.

SupremeGuy
01-24-2013, 04:56 PM
You know it's coming already. Some idiot GM will give his franchise player away to the Lakers for nothing.As much as I hate to admit it, this is probably what will happen.

cd021
01-24-2013, 10:47 PM
What's to disagree with? The steroids part is debatable, but Howard doesn't play good team basketball, he overrates himself, he's basically a scrub in the post and at the line, winning is secondary to his own agenda, and while his rebounding has been good, he's clearly hurt his teams with his toxic behaviour on and off the court.

Even if we claim that this year is a new season, in spite of his terrible shooting from the line and his lack of skill inside -Howard's still insisting that he should be getting the ball more on offense. This year. Not to mention the whole passive aggressive act. I'm sorry but that's not a good team player. Count me in as another one who would much rather have Duncan.

The 'Roid part isn't debate-able the NBA has been testing for that stuff for years, his teammate Rashard Lewis actually got popped for it in Orlando)

He doesn't overate himself, he was been a monster with or without a post game. His game has improved especially the face-up and hitting that left hook.. Since 1976 he amoung the top rebounders in the same category as Duncan, Rodman, Shaq, Barkley in Rebounds per game. 3 DVOP and he is just only turned 27. 6'10 with an 38'inch vert. Runs the floor hard for easy points and draws doubles for the 4 wings that he played with in Orlando.

Just think that one of the two seasons ago Orlando had the 3rd best defense with Hedo, Reddick, & Ryan Anderson Vince Carter & Gilbert Arenas all playing at least 20 minutes per game. He had that much impact that he was able to keep that squad from hemorrhaging points. 22pts, 14 rpg, 1.5 spg, 2.5 bpg and 60%FG that season is almost unprecedented.

The Free-throws is a moot point Shaq, & Wilt both were horrid free throw shooters, that didn't stop them from dominating D12 has played with a serious back problem but is still 20pts ,10 rpg. As Skip Bayless has pointed out, Kobe has take almost 115 shots more than anyone in the NBA, he could sit 6 games and still safely lead the league in that category. Howard has to share the ball with not only Kobe, but Pau & Nash and even Metta. Shaq has also pointed out that some of his problems are because they aren't making a concerted effort to post him because D'antoni's inexperience with a true big man

I'm not defending the politician act (telling people what they want to hear) but on the court he has played hard and seldom misses games,15 in the last 8 seasons and has had to put up with a ecentric coach who rubs people the wrong way. The ownership didn't do him any favors trading for Carter and Arenas, and an aging over-payed Hedo not to mention moving Gortat in one of those deals making Dwight essientially the only big man on the team. It was essentially be the face of a dysfunctional team or move elsewhere ( Barkley did something to that extent if I'm not mistaken)

Carmelo was seen as selfish but that he has helped turn to Knicks from jokes to contenders in the east. If D12 turns his team in to contenders then all of a sudden he is an unselfish player but because he hasn't gotten his team to where they need to be he isn't a team player, that seems inherently unfair.