GOP Plan To Rig The Next Presidential Election

[boutons_deux]

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Screen-shot-2013-01-24-at-9.10.37-AM.png


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/24/1488491/how-the-republicans-plan-to-rig-the-next-presidential-race-in-six-pictures/

[boutons_deux]

Maddow warns GOP’s presidential vote rigging plan ‘is gathering steam’
“We have been documenting over the last few days what appears to be a coordinated effort by Republicans in a number of key states to change the rules for electing a president,” she said. “To change the rules so essentially Democrats running for president cannot win.”

Republican lawmakers in the state are advancing legislation to replace the current winner-takes-all system with one that allocates electoral college votes based on the winner of each congressional district. The bill would ensure Republican presidents pick up electoral college votes from rural, conservative districts. Combined with the latest gerrymandered electoral maps that were pushed through the state Senate, the proposed changes would virtually guarantee that Republican presidents obtain a majority of electoral votes from the state, even if they receive less votes.

“If the system Virginia Republicans are pushing now had been in place in 2012, Barack Obama still would have received 150,000 more votes than Mitt Romney in Virginia, but the electoral college vote in Virginia would have been 4 votes for Barack Obama and 9 votes for Mitt Romney,” Maddow explained. “I wonder why they want to make that change?”

“The action today in Virginia is the first of its kind in the nation,” she continued. “What we have been covering is Republicans making noises about doing this across the country wherever they can. We’ve been covering Democrats bracing for the prospect of moves like this all across the country, not just in Virginia, but in Wisconsin and Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania. And in Pennsylvania, the Republicans have a bill in committee. But Virginia is the first state to actually get on with it and start moving it forward. This is a big story, and it is gathering steam.”



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/23/maddow-warns-gops-presidential-vote-rigging-plan-is-gathering-steam/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

[CosmicCowboy]

Good

[coyotes_geek]

Republicans gerrymander. Democrats outraged, wish they could be the ones doing it instead. Story at 10:00.

[TeyshaBlue]

Republicans gerrymander. Democrats outraged, wish they could be the ones doing it instead. Story at 10:00.

Gerrymandering has never happened before now!!!!1111!!!

But now, it's super important!!!!11111111

[TeyshaBlue]

lol thinkprogress

[boutons_deux]

You right-wingers back in 2001 said Gore bitch-slapping dubya by 600K votes didn't matter, there was no need to change the electoral college since electoral vote almost always followed popular vote.

Now you are celebrating the Repugs continuing their multi-state disenfranchisement and gerrymandering so they can win systematically, indefinitely with cheating electoral vote rigging to defeat their demographic disaster.

TB :lol fucking dickless loser hiding behind smileys. GFY

[TeyshaBlue]

lol celebrating.

lol delusional bot.

lol bitchslapped again.

[DarrinS]

Lol TP

[George Gervin's Afro]

We could have a continual gerrymadering ptocess every 2 yrs!.... I LOVE IT!

[TeyshaBlue]

We could have a continual gerrymadering ptocess every 2 yrs!.... I LOVE IT!

We do. lol

[boutons_deux]

lol celebrating.

lol delusional bot.

lol bitchslapped again.

TB :lol the dick-tied Boutons stalker GFY

[TeyshaBlue]

:cry

[George Gervin's Afro]

I guess when you can't win by the rules... you change them..

[boutons_deux]

I guess when you can't win by the rules... you change them..

Repugs know there aren't enough 1%ers and white "Christian" gun-fellating bubbas to outvote the white women, blacks, Asians, Hispanics, so the Repugs MUST CHEAT to have a chance. State-rigging like this means Dems will never win the electoral vote.

[baseline bum]

Fuck this shit. I don't know how any of you assholes can think this bullshit is ok.

[Clipper Nation]

I guess when you can't win by the rules... you change them..
Welcome to the two-party duopoly, get used to it....

[Th'Pusher]

Fuck this shit. I don't know how any of you assholes can think this bullshit is ok.
+1 this shit is ridiculous. Celebrating electoral disenfranchisement just so your team can win?

[Clipper Nation]

Only way around shit like this is for the electorate to grow up, do their homework, and vote third party in droves, tbh.....

[TeyshaBlue]

Fuck this shit. I don't know how any of you assholes can think this bullshit is ok.

Don't confuse acknowledgement of contemporary American political MO as endorsement.

[TeyshaBlue]

I guess when you can't win by the rules... you change them..

Yeah...it's been a Tx tradition for the last, oh, 100 years or so. lol

[TeyshaBlue]

And, apparently, something only the GOP can do.

smh

[TeyshaBlue]

oh snap.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2011/0608/Democrats-revenge-in-2012-a-radical-Illinois-gerrymander

[coyotes_geek]

republicans = like to gerrymander for political advantage = democrats

[baseline bum]

Don't confuse acknowledgement of contemporary American political MO as endorsement.

How could it not be confused when you guys are scoffing at the outrage for these measures that make our votes even more worthless than they already are?

[TeyshaBlue]

How could it not be confused when you guys are scoffing at the outrage for these measures that make our votes even more worthless than they already are?

As if this is something new? It's yesterday's news. Protip: It was outrageous 20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90 etc...years ago.

But now, it's thinkprogress important!

[baseline bum]

As if this is something new? It's yesterday's news. Protip: It was outrageous 20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90 etc...years ago.

But now, it's thinkprogress important!

It's far more outrageous right now since a presidential vote is equivalent to that of 16 senators and 73 House members at once. How you can scoff outrage at this and claim some sort of false equivalency when we're talking about the most important single office in the world is mindblowing. This shit should never be considered politics as usual because it isn't.

[TeyshaBlue]

I see you didn't read my link.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's completely up to the states to determine how they want to allocate their electoral votes.

[baseline bum]

It's completely up to the states to determine how they want to allocate their electoral votes.

What the fuck is the point of even voting?

[ChumpDumper]

lol GOP

[coyotes_geek]

Maine and Nebraska already split their EV's via the congressional district model.

[baseline bum]

Why not have the state legislatures just give all the electoral votes to the Republican party autmoatically in states they control? I mean, it's up to them, right?

[TeyshaBlue]

What the fuck is the point of even voting?

not a bad point, tbh

[Th'Pusher]

When your representative democracy is Completely gerrymandered to ensure a predetermined outcome, it's not really a representative democracy as it only representative of arbitrary lines drawn for political advantage. All it will take are a few presidential victories where the winner looses the popular vote but wins the electoral vote and people will be up in arms.

[CosmicCowboy]

Why not have the state legislatures just give all the electoral votes to the Republican party autmoatically in states they control? I mean, it's up to them, right?

OK

:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

When your representative democracy is Completely gerrymandered to ensure a predetermined outcome, it's not really a representative democracy as it only representative of arbitrary lines drawn for political advantage. All it will take are a few presidential victories where the winner looses the popular vote but wins the electoral vote and people will be up in arms.

Only happened once in the last 100 years. Happened quite a few times in the 1800's.

[Th'Pusher]

Only happened once in the last 100 years. Happened quite a few times in the 1800's.
Considering how polorized the electorate is, If shit like this passes we'll be seeing it much more frequently.

[TeyshaBlue]

Considering how polorized the electorate is, If shit like this passes we'll be seeing it much more frequently.

That's my point. Shit like this has been passed for quite awhile now. But now, we're super outraged.

[CosmicCowboy]

It will be interesting to see if Biden can pull the minority vote like the big O did.

[ElNono]

Biden will run? Doubt it...

[CosmicCowboy]

Biden will run? Doubt it...

No way Biden doesn't try to run. He's had a sniff of that irresistable power crack.

[Th'Pusher]

That's my point. Shit like this has been passed for quite awhile now. But now, we're super outraged.
Maybe it'll serve as a catalyst for change. People generally don't see it on the congressional level as the winner wins he popular vote. It a foregone conclusion the R or D will win the popular vote based on he controlling party's politically drawn boundaries. But when it's on a national level and we have more and more elections where the newly elected POTUS looses the popular vote, people are going to start paying attention.

[Th'Pusher]

No way Biden doesn't try to run.
I think he'll run and any D is going to pull the minority vote for years to come. Maybe not blacks by 95%, but it will be a significant majority.

[boutons_deux]

ME does it? how many electoral votes?

MI, WI, OH, FL, PA have way more than enough to rig any Pres election horribly opposite of the popular vote.

Of course, little bitches TB, CC, etc don't care, EVEN CHEER FOR ELECTION RIGGING, when the election is rigged in favor of Repug assholes. They'd be "outraged" if the Dems were doing it.

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In the majority of the United States, one candidate gets all of the state’s electoral votes. That holds true whether the state has 55 electoral votes to give, like California, or a scant 3 votes to offer, like Montana. Two states, however, don’t have to go the all-or-nothing route: Nebraska and Maine. Those states have opted to use the Congressional District Method, where electoral votes are distributed according to the state’s congressional districts instead of the state as a whole.

Although Nebraska and Maine adopted this method in 1992 and 1972, respectively, it didn’t really matter until recently, since each state’s congressional districts have historically voted the same way. The first time either of the states split votes was in 2008, when Nebraska’s 2nd congressional district, Omaha, went for Obama and the rest of the state went for Republican candidate John McCain.

But why use the split method when no one else does? First of all, there’s precedent. Way back in the 1804 (Thomas Jefferson), 1812 (James Madison) and 1820 (James Monroe) elections, Massachusetts used the Congressional District Method. Maine seceded from Massachusetts to become its own state in 1820 but kept their split votes method until 1828.

This served everyone just fine until 1968, when people got their feathers ruffled about the Nixon-Humphrey-Wallace race. Reformists thought that a three-way contest made electoral votes an unfair way to decide the state, because a candidate could win the whole pot of electoral votes even if he had just 34 percent of the state’s popular vote (if the other two candidates split 33 percent/33 percent or some variation thereof). Therefore, the electoral votes weren’t necessarily a good indicator of how the popular vote actually felt. Sound like a familiar issue?

As a result of those ruffled feathers, a bill was passed in 1969 (but wasn’t actually used until the ‘72 election) that would allow Maine to split their votes by congressional district as they had more than 100 years earlier. Nebraska followed suit 20 years later. Officials have tried at least three times since then to overturn the Congressional District Method, but so far, Cornhuskers seem content to keep things separate.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/13017/why-do-nebraska-and-maine-split-electoral-votes#ixzz2IvQwRbZc

[ElNono]

No way Biden doesn't try to run. He's had a sniff of that irresistable power crack.

I think this administration will be too lame duck (as they normally are after two terms) where it simply is a waste of time to even try running... just IMO.

[baseline bum]

Maybe it'll serve as a catalyst for change. People generally don't see it on the congressional level as the winner wins he popular vote. It a foregone conclusion the R or D will win the popular vote based on he controlling party's politically drawn boundaries. But when it's on a national level and we have more and more elections where the newly elected POTUS looses the popular vote, people are going to start paying attention.

It just blows me away that the single most important election in the world becoming a complete and total farce is thought of as politics as usual and no big deal here.

[Das Texan]

My total disdain for both major political parties grows by the day.

[boutons_deux]

My total disdain for both major political parties grows by the day.

They don't care about disenfranchised you. They work for the 1% and to increase their own wealth.

[DarrinS]

What difference does it make?

Sincerely,

Hillary

[Clipper Nation]

It just blows me away that the single most important election in the world becoming a complete and total farce is thought of as politics as usual and no big deal here.
The "farce" is that both parties tell the average voter that we live in a democracy, and then every election without fail, Joe Uneducated Voter is then somehow blindsided by the truth that we live in a republic when the Electoral College does their job...

The problem is not with the Electoral College in and of itself, which when used properly at least grants SOME voice to the smaller states instead of letting California, New York, and Texas choose our POTUS every election.... it's with people's trance-like devotion to Team Red and Team Blue, the gerrymandering crooks that the electorate consents to govern them, and the electorate's ignorant expectation of a political system that we don't use....

[ElNono]

What I would also like to see is Voter ID laws passing and start begin implemented NOW, not 6 months before the election. This is the time to do it.

[Das Texan]

They don't care about disenfranchised you. They work for the 1% and to increase their own wealth.

If I ever make it to being in the 1%, I'll probably get fucked then.

It would be nice if moderates could actually have a fucking voice again in this fucking nation.

[Clipper Nation]

Btw, getting rid of the Electoral College and embracing mob-rule democracy won't make elections any fairer.... you'd really rather give all the power to easily-rigged/glitched Diebold machines and foreign vote-counting firms? :lol

[boutons_deux]

If I ever make it to being in the 1%, I'll probably get fucked then.

you'd go from being a 99% fuckee to being a 1% fucker.

[Th'Pusher]

Btw, getting rid of the Electoral College and embracing mob-rule democracy won't make elections any fairer.... you'd really rather give all the power to easily-rigged/glitched Diebold machines and foreign vote-counting firms? :lol
I'm fine with the electoral college. It's the bullshit gerrymandering that needs to be addressed. I know, it's been going on for 100 years. Time to address it. How is California's new initiative working out? Still too early to tell?

[xrayzebra]

Those dastardly Republicans. Next thing you know they will want voter ID laws.

[TeyshaBlue]

ME does it? how many electoral votes?

MI, WI, OH, FL, PA have way more than enough to rig any Pres election horribly opposite of the popular vote.

Of course, little bitches TB, CC, etc don't care, EVEN CHEER FOR ELECTION RIGGING, when the election is rigged in favor of Repug assholes. They'd be "outraged" if the Dems were doing it.


You're a ridiculous person.

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm fine with the electoral college. It's the bullshit gerrymandering that needs to be addressed. I know, it's been going on for 100 years. Time to address it. How is California's new initiative working out? Still too early to tell?

Good question. Might be a model. Got to look into that.....

[ChumpDumper]

What difference does it make?

Sincerely,

HillaryYou still never explained what difference it made in her case.

[TSA]

Only way around shit like this is for the electorate to grow up, do their homework, and vote third party in droves, tbh.....Agreed. At least let me choose from the lesser of three evils.

[TSA]

What the fuck is the point of even voting?
Exactly the reason I've chose to only vote on local matters living here in CA.

[baseline bum]

Only way around shit like this is for the electorate to grow up, do their homework, and vote third party in droves, tbh.....

That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard with respect to presidential elections. All a strong third party would do is ensure that the House picks the president when no candidate gets to 270. John Quincy Adams all over again. Then the third party will be killed off within the decade as people get sick of congress choosing the president. LOL our constitution giving us this horseshit 2 party system as the only stable equilibirium.

[SpursIndonesia]

For presidential election, why don't you guys implement a strict one man one vote principle ?

[Wild Cobra]

For presidential election, why don't you guys implement a strict one man one vote principle ?
The democrats could never win if we did that.

[CosmicCowboy]

For presidential election, why don't you guys implement a strict one man one vote principle ?

As the name implies the United States is a union of states with divergent cultures and interests. A pure popular vote would favor the urban trash and disenfranchise the more rural states.

[SpursIndonesia]

As the name implies the United States is a union of states with divergent cultures and interests. A pure popular vote would favor the urban trash and disenfranchise the more rural states.

Well, not trying to imply that my country is some kinda exemplary or anything -real democracy has just started in the last 15 years, but we have it quite smoothly here regarding the representation method choice, with that strict one man one vote thing. And Indonesia is a country of diversity, we're barely a nation as of now. I think a weighed representation works well in the legislative branch of government, but for executive one, it's really a suspect for politicking or vested interest. :)

[George Gervin's Afro]

As the name implies the United States is a union of states with divergent cultures and interests. A pure popular vote would favor the urban trash and disenfranchise the more rural states.

yet you are ok with what the VA lelgislature is doing to disenfranchise the urban trash..

[Th'Pusher]

The democrats could never win if we did that.
Democrats have won the popular vote in five of the last six elections.

[boutons_deux]

As the name implies the United States is a union of states with divergent cultures and interests. A pure popular vote would favor the urban trash and disenfranchise the more rural states.

urban trash? just say n!gg@s

why should the disappearing, vastly outnumbered, sociallistically-supported rural trash's votes count for more than urban voters? one-person, one-vote, proportional representation, with majority rule AND protection for everybody's govt-granted and govt-enforced rights.

[coyotes_geek]

Never let it be said that boutons will pass up an opportunity to hint at the N-bomb...........

[boutons_deux]

Never let it be said that boutons will pass up an opportunity to hint at the N-bomb...........

CC's Urban TRASH gets a pass from CG, CC apparently being a white male right-wing 1%er living in ex-urbia, if not rural. iow, he wants his and his white neighbors' votes to count more than n!gg@s votes.

[coyotes_geek]

CC's Urban TRASH gets a pass from CG, CC apparently being a white male right-wing 1%er living in ex-urbia, if not rural. iow, he wants his and his white neighbors' votes to count more than n!gg@s votes.


Never let it be said that boutons will pass up an opportunity to hint at the N-bomb...........

[TeyshaBlue]

Well, not trying to imply that my country is some kinda exemplary or anything -real democracy has just started in the last 15 years, but we have it quite smoothly here regarding the representation method choice, with that strict one man one vote thing. And Indonesia is a country of diversity, we're barely a nation as of now. I think a weighed representation works well in the legislative branch of government, but for executive one, it's really a suspect for politicking or vested interest. :)

That's actually an interesting approach...an electoral college type election for the legislature and a popular vote for the exec. At first pass, I like it.

[coyotes_geek]

boutons, why are you a racist? Is it because you're a bad person?

[TeyshaBlue]

boutons, why are you a racist? Is it because you're a bad person?

Why are you stalking The Great Boutons? :cry

[Th'Pusher]

Never let it be said that boutons will pass up an opportunity to hint at the N-bomb...........
What did you think he meant by urban trash?

[coyotes_geek]

Why are you stalking The Great Boutons? :cry

I don't have a good answer to that, other than I just find it incredibly entertaining for some bizarre reason.

[boutons_deux]

CG, TB :lol can't handle my bitch-slapping, so they don't even try. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

I don't have a good answer to that, other than I just find it incredibly entertaining for some bizarre reason.

gfy, dickless ankle-biter!!!!111

[TeyshaBlue]

CG, TB :lol can't handle my bitch-slapping, so they don't even try. :lol

I'm still waiting for the first one. Got a cite?

I've got a few if you're ready.

[TeyshaBlue]

What did you think he meant by urban trash?

My first reaction is certainly not racial. Why do you think he meant that?

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm still waiting for the first one. Got a cite?

I've got a few if you're ready.

lol..run Forest, run.

[coyotes_geek]

What did you think he meant by urban trash?

Democrat voting welfare recipients.

[TeyshaBlue]

My first reaction is certainly not racial. Why do you think he meant that?

Since I live in an urban environment, but was raised in a very rural environment, my first equivocation to "urban trash" are the 30k millionaire douchebags I have to have contact with everyday.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

As the name implies the United States is a union of states with divergent cultures and interests. A pure popular vote would favor the urban trash and disenfranchise the more rural states.
:lmao right, because the rural states like Alabama and Mississippi don't have a higher concentration of trash than New York and California.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lmao right, because the rural states like Alabama and Mississippi don't have a higher concentration of trash than New York and California.

lol @ relative definitions.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The "urban trash" thing didn't strike me as racist at all btw, it just struck me as typical right wing, "Lets jerk off rural America and pretend it's the backbone of America" fluff.

[coyotes_geek]

CG, TB :lol can't handle my bitch-slapping, so they don't even try. :lol

Sure, we'll go with that. :toast

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:cry I want a president from a rural shithole like Crawford Texas:cry
:cry backwater cities like those are the backbone of this country!:cry

[boutons_deux]

:cry I want a president from a rural shithole like Crawford Texas:cry
:cry backwater cities like those are the backbone of this country!:cry

dubya wasn't from Crawford, any more than Pappy was from Texas.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

dubya wasn't from Crawford, any more than Pappy was from Texas.

Thanks for the semantics correction. I really appreciate it, your posts are always great contributions.

[Th'Pusher]

My first reaction is certainly not racial. Why do you think he meant that?

Well I actually agree with c_g that he was referring to democratic voting welfare recipients, a group that just so happen to largely be comprised of minorities.

[Winehole23]

Fuck this shit. I don't know how any of you assholes can think this bullshit is ok.Politicians pick the voters, not the reverse. It's been a political commonplace in Texas for a very long time. GOP controls enough states to lock in the presidency until 2022 (next redistricting two years after the next census,) presuming they can change the electoral vote count in enough states.

[Th'Pusher]

Since I live in an urban environment, but was raised in a very rural environment, my first equivocation to "urban trash" are the 30k millionaire douchebags I have to have contact with everyday.
Those $30k dollar millionaires are all voting R, which would make CC happy. Those are the delusional morons that think they're gonna be rich.

[Winehole23]

Goodwhat goes around comes around. tactically smart moves can be bad strategy.

[TeyshaBlue]

Those $30k dollar millionaires are all voting R, which would make CC happy. Those are the delusional morons that think they're gonna be rich.

Ummmm no. Maybe it's a Dallas-thing. Most of those morons don't even vote.

[Th'Pusher]

Ummmm no. Maybe it's a Dallas-thing. Most of those morons don't even vote.
:lol that's true. I lived in the DFW area for 10 years. I am well versed in the $30k millionaire. I almost chose that path for myself :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

lol...near miss!

And congrats for getting outta the DFW reality distortion bubble!

[boutons_deux]

DFW District 96 TX rep has proposed a TX bill that every Presidential candidate present his birth certificate to the the state of TX. DFW birthers! :lol TX is FULL of ignorant bubba assholes and the TX politicians they elect.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol non sequitur theater

[boutons_deux]

What The 2012 Election Would Look Like Under The Republicans' Vote-Rigging Plan


http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/electoral-votes-by-cd-map-4_1.png

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/republican-vote-rigging-electoral-college_n_2546010.html?utm_source=DailyBrief&utm_campaign=012513&utm_medium=email&utm_content=FeaturePhoto&utm_term=Daily%20Brief

[boutons_deux]

lol non sequitur theater

not at all, just continuing the subject of DFW and trash talking it

[TeyshaBlue]

because that's what the OP is about. Right. Fuck. http://homerecording.com/bbs/images/smilies/facepalm.gif

[ElNono]

The "urban trash" thing didn't strike me as racist at all btw, it just struck me as typical right wing, "Lets jerk off rural America and pretend it's the backbone of America" fluff.

City folk don't git it

[TeyshaBlue]

City folk don't git it

Can't trust nobody what don't git vittles!

[boutons_deux]

What's behind the Repug states rigging electoral votes to be the opposite of popular vote


Forget 2016. The Pivotal Year In Politics May Be 2020

The Changing Complexion Of America

The demographic makeup of the United States will shift dramatically in the next eight years.

Paul Taylor, director of the Social & Demographic Trends (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/) project at the Pew Research Center in Washington, says the country is on a trajectory to become a majority nonwhite nation by the early 2040s.

Today it's 63 percent white; by 2020 it will be about 60 percent white.

"These aren't loose predictions," Taylor says. It's the "future we already know."

The forecasts made by Taylor are based on immigration trends, birthrates and mortality rates. "As the complexion of the population changes," he says, "so too will the complexion of the electorate. In 2012 it was 28 percent nonwhite, a record. By 2020 it will be more than 30 percent nonwhite."

He cites several recent surveys by Pew, including one report (http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/11/07/a-milestone-en-route-to-a-majority-minority-nation/) predicting that the minority groups that helped elect President Obama in 2012 will become a majority of the American population by 2050 and another (http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/11/14/an-awakened-giant-the-hispanic-electorate-is-likely-to-double-by-2030/) showing that the record number of Latinos who voted in the 2012 presidential election will probably double within the next generation.

Such data matter "because our voting patterns are highly aligned by race," Taylor says.

For example, he points out that in 2012, Obama won 80 percent of the nonwhite vote but just 39 percent of the white vote. Fact is, Obama lost the white vote by the identical margin — 20 percentage points – as Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis in 1988.

Back in 1988, Taylor explains, "a defeat of that magnitude among whites meant that Dukakis suffered an Electoral College drubbing of 426-111. This year, it yielded Obama an Electoral College victory of 332-206.

In short, whites mustered 220 fewer Electoral College votes' worth of clout in 2012 than in 1988."

All of this, Taylor adds, "clearly puts the Republican Party on the wrong side of demographic change."

In other words,the Democratic Party's tide is rising and blue waters are washing over more and more red states.

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/25/170240786/forget-2016-the-pivotal-year-in-politics-may-be-2020

[Wild Cobra]

Democrats have won the popular vote in five of the last six elections.
I was responding to:

why don't you guys implement a strict one man one vote principle ?

[Th'Pusher]

I was responding to: is that not the definition of a popular vote?

[Wild Cobra]

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/electoral-votes-by-cd-map-4_1.png

Why did Superman ever stop the Nuke that Lex send to the San Andreas fault? If California had fallen into the Pacific...

[boutons_deux]

Why did Superman ever stop the Nuke that Lex send to the San Andreas fault? If California had fallen into the Pacific...

because he had sympathy for all the Orgeon backwoods inbred ex-military cretins.

[boutons_deux]

FLASHBACK: Republicans Opposed Electoral Vote Rigging In 2004, Calling It ‘A Really Stupid Idea’ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/25/1497881/electoral-rigging-colorado-2004/)


The push against Amendment 36, which failed by a 2-to-1 margin (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Colorado_Selection_of_Presidential_Electors_Act,_A mendment_36_%282004%29), was led by Republican Gov. Bill Owens, who lambasted the idea as a “transparently partisan movement”. Owens detailed his opposition in a USA Today op-ed (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-09-19-oppose_x.htm):


There’s a transparently partisan movement afoot in Colorado to distribute our Electoral College votes proportionately. The goal? To give John Kerry a four-vote Electoral College boost, putting him ahead of President Bush in a close election.

But that in and of itself is not the reason proposed Amendment 36 on the Nov. 2 ballot is bad for Colorado. The fact is that if Amendment 36 passed, it would forever make it easy for presidential candidates to ignore Colorado, since our state would be an Electoral College “lone ranger” among states.[...]

Here’s why: Colorado is a state with a slight Republican majority, but which, nevertheless, has a longstanding tradition of electing Democrats to statewide and national office. If Colorado split its electoral votes, leaving just one or two electoral votes in play, future presidential candidates — and presidents — would ignore Colorado and its interests in favor of states with more electoral clout. They would skip over us and move on to more fertile ground.

National conservatives also criticized the idea. George Will wrote a scathing article in Newsweek, calling it a “pernicious proposal”. Major GOP funders also rallied against the referendum; Sheldon Adelson alone contributed $100,000 (http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/committee.phtml?c=1153) against Amendment 36.

In 2004, Republicans fervently opposed manipulating the Electoral College when the Democratic candidate stood to benefit. A decade later, after Obama won his second term and pundits discuss a long-term electoral realignment, Republicans are abandoning that principled stand in an attempt to rig future presidential elections.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/25/1497881/electoral-rigging-colorado-2004/

:lol

[Wild Cobra]

because he had sympathy for all the Orgeon backwoods inbred ex-military cretins.
We are not part of the San Andreas fault.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/earthq3/map2b.gif

[TeyshaBlue]

FLASHBACK: Republicans Opposed Electoral Vote Rigging In 2004, Calling It ‘A Really Stupid Idea’ (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/25/1497881/electoral-rigging-colorado-2004/)


The push against Amendment 36, which failed by a 2-to-1 margin (http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Colorado_Selection_of_Presidential_Electors_Act,_A mendment_36_%282004%29), was led by Republican Gov. Bill Owens, who lambasted the idea as a “transparently partisan movement”. Owens detailed his opposition in a USA Today op-ed (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2004-09-19-oppose_x.htm):


There’s a transparently partisan movement afoot in Colorado to distribute our Electoral College votes proportionately. The goal? To give John Kerry a four-vote Electoral College boost, putting him ahead of President Bush in a close election.

But that in and of itself is not the reason proposed Amendment 36 on the Nov. 2 ballot is bad for Colorado. The fact is that if Amendment 36 passed, it would forever make it easy for presidential candidates to ignore Colorado, since our state would be an Electoral College “lone ranger” among states.[...]

Here’s why: Colorado is a state with a slight Republican majority, but which, nevertheless, has a longstanding tradition of electing Democrats to statewide and national office. If Colorado split its electoral votes, leaving just one or two electoral votes in play, future presidential candidates — and presidents — would ignore Colorado and its interests in favor of states with more electoral clout. They would skip over us and move on to more fertile ground.

National conservatives also criticized the idea. George Will wrote a scathing article in Newsweek, calling it a “pernicious proposal”. Major GOP funders also rallied against the referendum; Sheldon Adelson alone contributed $100,000 (http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/committee.phtml?c=1153) against Amendment 36.

In 2004, Republicans fervently opposed manipulating the Electoral College when the Democratic candidate stood to benefit. A decade later, after Obama won his second term and pundits discuss a long-term electoral realignment, Republicans are abandoning that principled stand in an attempt to rig future presidential elections.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/25/1497881/electoral-rigging-colorado-2004/

:lol





Oh, so this didn't start with the GOP. Remarkable.

[Winehole23]

Why did Superman ever stop the Nuke that Lex send to the San Andreas fault? If California had fallen into the Pacific...the responsibility for saving SS/Medicare for an aging public with age/lifestyle-appropriate medical issues would fall hard on the GOP. harder still for the loss of the 10th largest economy in the world.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol...Superman is all about saving SS/Medicare.:p:

[boutons_deux]

Oh, so this didn't start with the GOP. Remarkable.

Repugs were against it, only a few years ago, before they were for it. Same for mandatory health insurance, etc, etc, etc.

[Winehole23]

lol...Superman is all about saving SS/Medicare.:p:there's gotta be a better way to depopulate California than nuking it to kingdom come. beautiful country.

[TeyshaBlue]

Repugs were against it, only a few years ago, before they were for it. Same for mandatory health insurance, etc, etc, etc.


Oh, so this didn't start with the GOP. Remarkable.

[TeyshaBlue]

there's gotta be a better way to depopulate California than nuking it to kingdom come. beautiful country.

until recently, a fair amount of them were moving of their own accord. Now, it seems to have leveled out and maybe even a small net gain to their population.

[Th'Pusher]

http://www.thenation.com/blog/172447/three-strategies-stop-gerrymandering-electoral-college#

[SpursIndonesia]

That's actually an interesting approach...an electoral college type election for the legislature and a popular vote for the exec. At first pass, I like it.

Yeah, we do that way here, weighed representation for legislative branch in both chambers (the house of representatives and the senate look alike Indonesian style), popular representation for executive branch (whether that for Presidency, city major, provincial governor, anything goes).

Perhaps the thinking behind this, we understand that people from the rural, remote provinces will be marginalized in the legislation process if we don't give them more voices in the parlement (out of around 240+ mil citizen, more than half living in the Java island, which only represents less than 10 % of our territory, and 6 provinces out of 33). But in the executive election process, everyone voice should count the same, since i think that's the essence of democracy. :)

[exstatic]

I guess when you can't win by the rules... you change them..

More like when they aint' buyin' the manure you're sellin'.

In the long run, it's just another deck on the house of cards they've been building since '80. The collapse will just be that much more spectacular. They can't stave it off forever, and when it flips, this will all benefit the Dems and marginalize the GOP for an even longer period of time.

[spursncowboys]

exstatic: Dems are a one trick pony. They buy votes. Once they cannot do that they have nothing. SS is running out. Medicare is going to be unsustainable. They won't be able to downsize the military much more.

[baseline bum]

LOL Republicans want to gut Medicare, but not for the entitled boomers; only for every younger generation, who meanwhile get to still pay into the Boomers' medicare benefits.

[Clipper Nation]

LOL Republicans want to gut Medicare, but not for the entitled boomers; only for every younger generation, who meanwhile get to still pay into the Boomers' medicare benefits.

:cry "But, but, young hoodlums are so lazy and entitled these days!" :cry

[exstatic]

exstatic: Dems are a one trick pony. They buy votes. Once they cannot do that they have nothing. SS is running out. Medicare is going to be unsustainable. They won't be able to downsize the military much more.

You think this is some surprise? Politics has always been about sales, which is why the GOP is in fail mode. People don't LIKE to be preached and lectured to. If you have something you want, you'd damn well better figure out how to sell it to them.