Bonner vs Diaw

[jermaine]

I was seriously thinking. Which is really better? With the way Diaw is so passive, an rebounding sucks. I feel Bonner really tries hard though. An yes he disappears at times but aint hes #1 in the league shooting 3s? Your thoughts

[playblair]

blair >>>>>>> diaw&bonner

[ace3g]

There is a reason the Spurs went on a 20 game win streak after the Spurs acquired Diaw.

[slick'81]

wow diaw getting crushed this year by the fans glad some one got bonners back lol

[TrainOfThought5]

in terms of backup bigmen? Bayne > Stephen Jackson > Diaw > Kawhi Leonard > Bonner > Blair

[chapnis]

Diaw > Leonard > Jackson > Bayne > Bonner > Blair

As bigmen.

[HeroSquad]

in terms of backup bigmen? Bayne > Stephen Jackson > Diaw > Kawhi Leonard > Bonner > Blair

Dude hasn't even played a minute in the NBA, and you're already crowning him as our best backup big? Diaw is more versatile than Bonner, despite his infuriating passiveness.

[Paranoid Pop]

Diaw is a creator, he's on another level compared to the system guys like Tiago, Bonner, Blair and so on.

What he can't really do is rebound, I will agree on that which is why I'd like him to slide to the 3.

Maybe if SJax walks next year, he could be the backup 3 evn tho playing at the 4 next to what should be a great rebounder in Baynes could be very good as well.

[DapDaGenius]

Why is Baynes being rated as who is better as a back-up bigman...when he hasn't played yet? Or are these people basing it off his stats in the other leagues?(which is unfair)

I'm not saying Baynes won't be good, b/c I'm hoping he will, but I just don't understand why they are comparing them when he hasn't even played a game in a Spurs jersey yet.

[TrainOfThought5]

Dude hasn't even played a minute in the NBA, and you're already crowning him as our best backup big? Diaw is more versatile than Bonner, despite his infuriating passiveness.

how dare u question the kangaroo gawd!!!

[TrainOfThought5]

Why is Baynes being rated as who is better as a back-up bigman...when he hasn't played yet? Or are these people basing it off his stats in the other leagues?(which is unfair)

I'm not saying Baynes won't be good, b/c I'm hoping he will, but I just don't understand why they are comparing them when he hasn't even played a game in a Spurs jersey yet.

because he is the overly hyped righteous savior of ST.

and its fun.

[spurraider21]

Diaw was guarding LeBron when we played Miami. That speaks volumes

[Manu-20]

Diaw is by far the better play he can shoot,pass, and his rebounding while lackluster is alright when he is actually trying how many of you soon forget how important he was last year and will be in the playoffs again this year, all in all compared to Blair and Bonner Diaw is a godsend for this team we were stuck with Bonner and Blair as our bigs until he came along with Jax and gave this team new life.

[jermaine]

How many passes have you seen Diaw make outta a easy layup? Or wide open shot passed up with a pump fake, drive, an pass out.

[ace3g]

lets keep this thread active

[SpursRock20]

Diaw silencing the haters.

[skulls138]

If Diaw wants to be a balletic passer and also be effective he had better be able to do SOMETHING gritty. You cant just do the fun stuff and expect to win.

[DesignatedT]

How many passes have you seen Diaw make outta a easy layup? Or wide open shot passed up with a pump fake, drive, an pass out.

How many of those turned into an assist? Sure he's passive and sometimes too passive but you think Bonner is better? gtfo

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Diaw and it's not even close.

STFU with stupid shit tbh...

[playblair]

both are wack .......... blair proved he is still a legit rotation big ...........

[racm]

Diaw's a poor man's Odom (or is it a rich man's Odom at this point?), IMO

[DesignatedT]

Blair is too small. He can't handle playoff basketball. He can do absolutely nothing unless he's setup perfectly. His defense is horrible and he's an average rebounder at best. Next.

[skulls138]

Bonner gets a bad rap because he doesnt do the same in the playoffs, with the three pt shooting, that he does in the regular season but Bonner will score more, rebound more and do the gritty stuff in the paint more. Diaw will pass better (obviously) and perimeter defend better.

In the end, Im dissapointed with Diaw this year and pleasently surprised with Bonner's toughness.

[skulls138]

Blairs too inconsistent, hes too short.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

diaw is the man. he's perfect for this team. his passiveness creates 3s for the 3 shooters and easy buckets for the cutters. then he can turn around and cut or 3 himself. he has off nights just like anybody else on this team, but he's fine. bonner is a more consistent 3 shooter than blair is a cutter. i say spurs need to get white from houston while blair's lookin so good, and white so bad. white could likely be another diaw. imagine that depth. you know it spells back to back championships for timmys swan song, dynasty if he plays the player option year. if baynes can catch ally's like i've read about in some thread he'll be the cutter blair needs to be. everybody always says defense and reboundin translate well from college to nba, i'm sure same goes for euro to nba. a white/baynes battle for 5th big = wins and good times for spurs fans.

[Drom John]

WS:
Diaw
Bonner
Blair
Jackson
Baynes

WS/48
Bonner
Diaw
Blair
Jackson
Baynes

Baynes is the shiny new toy. I'm optimistic, but we've seen squat so far.
Spiting all the whiny Bonner/Blair haters, Bonner's and Blair's results are quite good.
OTOH, Jackson sucks this year. Better WS than Jefferson this year, but that's PT. Even Jefferson has a better WS/48.

[boutons_deux]

Boris has a weird habit of passing on an open 2 and taking one dribble towards the defense to shoot a contested 2. :lol

Hmm, I'm open. Too easy. How hard can I make this ? :lol

[Richie]

If Diaw didn't pass up so many open shots he'd be excellent

[jermaine]

How many of those turned into an assist? Sure he's passive and sometimes too passive but you think Bonner is better? gtfo
Im a Bonner fan! Lmmfao. I know overall Diaw is a better player, but I still hope Bonner dont get traded.

[td4mvp21]

There is a reason the Spurs went on a 20 game win streak after the Spurs acquired Diaw.

QFT.

[Darkwaters]

blair >>>>>>> diaw&bonner

Blair isn't even a rotation player.

Actually for that matter, neither is Bonner.

And listen, I love Matt Bonner. The guy is hilarious and hes been around for what, 7 years (on the Spurs at least)? Back to the days of Rasho Nesterovic. But hes been tried and tested in the playoffs and has consistently come up short. And for that matter, Blair has never even been good enough to be tested in the playoffs. He can blow up in games, but it's never when it counts, and rarely against anyone but scrub teams.

On the other hand, Diaw was great for the Spurs last year and was a major player in that 20 game win streak last season. Plus he has proven himself on capable teams in the past, including during the hey day of the Run'n'Gun Suns. Hes got the resume preceding his days in silver and black, and hes been a solid addition since getting here.

Diaw>Bonner>Blair




Oh, and just for fun:

http://bp0.blogger.com/_YWT7uGfZ0d0/RnOWBD5_A6I/AAAAAAAAASk/UelZ81JCkcE/s320/fullj_getty-74165826cc211_nba_finals_ga_2_33_45_am.jpg

[CGD]

Diaw was guarding LeBron when we played Miami. That speaks volumes

You mean the same game where Leonard, SJax, Green, Manu, TP, and Duncan were out?

[exstatic]

Diaw's a poor man's Odom (or is it a rich man's Odom at this point?), IMO

Minus the butthurt, and Kardashians.

[exstatic]

Bonner gets a bad rap because he doesnt do the same in the playoffs, with the three pt shooting, that he does in the regular season but Bonner will score more, rebound more and do the gritty stuff in the paint more. Diaw will pass better (obviously) and perimeter defend better.

In the end, Im dissapointed with Diaw this year and pleasently surprised with Bonner's toughness.

Their rebounding rate is about the same, Bonner getting 2 in 11 minutes and Diaw getting 3.8 in 23 minutes. The thing about Bonner that KILLS us is when he gets switched out on a pick and roll, and teams can absolutely force that in the playoffs. He's dead meat. It's an AUTOMATIC basket, or worse, an AND1. Diaw is probably both the best "hedge" big, and the best switch big on the roster in defending the pick and roll, and his shooting beyond the arc is still 42%. Bonner's is 45% but he has SO many more minuses.

[Drz]

WS/48
Bonner
Diaw
Blair
Jackson
Baynes
This is very nearly my ranking as well.

The team very clearly scores more when Bonner's on the floor instead of Diaw, and there's no real defensive dropoff. Like a couple others have said, despite both being fairly similar players in most ways, it's a very different style. They look to Diaw as a facilitator and someone to run an offense through, while they look to Bonner as an outlet and someone to make the game 4 on 4 with the occasional catch-you-napping 3 point attempt. Both are effective and both should be utilized. And although I personally don't agree with this, I certainly understand the good points of why Diaw's style is better suited for the playoffs.

Jackson is the tougher question. I rank him behind both Diaw and Bonner for the very simple reason that the Spurs are outscored more with him on the floor than the other two, and to me, it's all about points. A lot of people seem to say he's better because of his grit and toughness, his hustle, his one week playoff-shooting bender, etc., but personally, I don't care about that stuff when it comes to playing time it it doesn't translate to helping us get points (and thus helping us win games). And it doesn't.

Re: Diaw's "passiveness," I don't get the idiots who complain about it. IT HELPS US WIN. You want him to shoot semi-open 18 foot jumpers, or drive the lane??? I sure as shit don't. I want him to keep passing the ball for a higher percentage shot, exactly like he does. He's not "passive," he's smart. Some people on this board are stuck in the Allen Iverson era and think it's about how many shots you jack up at the rim.

[spurraider21]

You mean the same game where Leonard, SJax, Green, Manu, TP, and Duncan were out?
Diaw did a solid job on Bron. He still got his numbers (as always) but he didn't go one man wrecking crew on us like he did last year. The fact that he can step up to a challenge like that makes this thread moot. Its fucking Bonner we're comparing him to

[therealtruth]

Bonner doesn't play well against good defensive teams or in the playoffs.

[playblair]

Blair isn't even a rotation player.

Actually for that matter, neither is Bonner.

And listen, I love Matt Bonner. The guy is hilarious and hes been around for what, 7 years (on the Spurs at least)? Back to the days of Rasho Nesterovic. But hes been tried and tested in the playoffs and has consistently come up short. And for that matter, Blair has never even been good enough to be tested in the playoffs. He can blow up in games, but it's never when it counts, and rarely against anyone but scrub teams.

On the other hand, Diaw was great for the Spurs last year and was a major player in that 20 game win streak last season. Plus he has proven himself on capable teams in the past, including during the hey day of the Run'n'Gun Suns. Hes got the resume preceding his days in silver and black, and hes been a solid addition since getting here.

Diaw>Bonner>Blair




Oh, and just for fun:



how do u explain blair dominating the thunder ........... something diaw cant do ............

[skulls138]

Diaw did a solid job on Bron. He still got his numbers (as always) but he didn't go one man wrecking crew on us like he did last year. The fact that he can step up to a challenge like that makes this thread moot. Its fucking Bonner we're comparing him to

What good is being able to stop Lebron when you slack the rest of the time. Diaw needs to be more consistent. True Diaw is the more talented but Bonner uses what talent he has more to its potential.

I remember when we had Steve Kerr and the first couple seasons he lost his three point touch but then he got it back and we won a championship, same with Danny Ferry if Im not mistaken. If Bonner can get the mojo workin at the right time, he'll be the reason the Spurs will win it all.