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cd021
01-26-2013, 11:12 PM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8860876/which-team-trade-hawks-forward-josh-smith

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The Spurs are plus-8.7 points per 100 possessions overall and a whopping plus-14.6 in 348 total minutes when Tim Duncan and Tiago Splitter, their new frontcourt starters, are on the floor together, meaning San Antonio may have figured out its "second big man" issue — even though Matt Bonner and DeJuan Blair have basically fallen out of Gregg Popovich's rotation. Boris Diaw is playing efficiently off the bench, though with a bit of his annoying shot phobia, and the Spurs can shift Kawhi Leonard or Stephen Jackson to power forward in the right matchups against Oklahoma City and others.


In short: There's little need to shake things up by sending out Jackson's expiring deal, a first-round pick, and a young asset (Nando de Colo?) for Smith, despite the comedic possibilities of a Smith-Pop pairing. Leonard is almost untouchable, and certainly so when it comes to a volatile player such as Smith."


He mentioned the Spurs among "unlikely trade partners" along with the Lakers, Nets and Pacers. He mentions several more in the more serious trade partners part at the beginning of the article.

td4mvp2k
01-26-2013, 11:16 PM
Blair and Bonner are playing to good and winning games so no!

TDMVPDPOY
01-26-2013, 11:22 PM
on realgm, reported he wants a max deal...

i dont see the spurs giving him a max deal...

HarlemHeat37
01-26-2013, 11:36 PM
Josh Smith will never be part of a championship team, tbh..his style of play is too difficult to build around as a top 3 option..he can't shoot, he has no post moves, he can't attack consistently..he's a very good defensive player, but he doesn't fit anywhere offensively..he's an athlete that can be shut down by any playoff defense that focuses on him..

I acknowledge that he's a very solid passer and he can take advantage of 1 on 1 matchups on the perimeter, but he can't play in a top-tier half-court offense..

freetiago
01-26-2013, 11:40 PM
hope the lakers trade for him and give him that max contract he wants
wont have to worry about them for a few years then

td4mvp21
01-27-2013, 12:03 AM
I've never found Josh Smith appealing.

AFBlue
01-27-2013, 01:08 AM
Smith would make the Spurs instantly better on D, especially against the more athletic frontlines of the league.

If all you're giving up is S-Jax and current non-factors, then it's a no-brainer.

Too bad it will never happen.

P.S. My assumption is that Smith would be a half-year rental, not a long-term fixture...especially if he's seeking max dollars.

racm
01-27-2013, 01:39 AM
Good on D, a nonfactor on offense, even more so than Diaw. For every extra pass Diaw takes when left wide open Smith throws up a long 2.

DrunkTXLabrat
01-27-2013, 01:50 AM
he could win a ring if he got dwight and the coach teaches them to dish to korver.

mercos
01-27-2013, 01:51 AM
Josh Smith will never be part of a championship team, tbh..his style of play is too difficult to build around as a top 3 option..he can't shoot, he has no post moves, he can't attack consistently..he's a very good defensive player, but he doesn't fit anywhere offensively..he's an athlete that can be shut down by any playoff defense that focuses on him..

I acknowledge that he's a very solid passer and he can take advantage of 1 on 1 matchups on the perimeter, but he can't play in a top-tier half-court offense..

This. If he could resign himself to being a second or probably third option, Smith could be a valuable piece to a contending team. He was surrounded by plenty of talent in Atlanta and never led them anywhere. While his athletic ability is max deal worthy, his skill set is not unfortunately.

racm
01-27-2013, 01:53 AM
This. If he could resign himself to being a second or probably third option, Smith could be a valuable piece to a contending team. He was surrounded by plenty of talent in Atlanta and never led them anywhere. While his athletic ability is max deal worthy, his skill set is not unfortunately.

He's playing alongside more offensively gifted players in Horford, Teague, and Korver. The problem is that he won't accept being the AK47 to those guys.

Redshadows
01-27-2013, 02:08 AM
If he kept saying he wants a max deal, the Hawks might trade him.

But no way the Spurs would trade for him.

letmk
01-27-2013, 02:18 AM
Smith would make the Spurs instantly better on D, especially against the more athletic frontlines of the league.

If all you're giving up is S-Jax and current non-factors, then it's a no-brainer.

Too bad it will never happen.

P.S. My assumption is that Smith would be a half-year rental, not a long-term fixture...especially if he's seeking max dollars.

Kind of agree with this. If it's for a rental and increases Spurs' chance to win it all, it's a good deal.

baseline bum
01-27-2013, 02:33 AM
I've never found Josh Smith appealing.

I would have absolutely loved him in the Jefferson days, but with two high quality SFs now on the roster he's definitely not a priority now.

racm
01-27-2013, 02:44 AM
I would have absolutely loved him in the Jefferson days, but with two high quality SFs now on the roster he's definitely not a priority now.

Especially since Pop's system likes wings that can shoot from the corner (Sean, Bruce, and even HWMNBN were parked in the corner on offense). Smith can't shoot.

baseline bum
01-27-2013, 02:49 AM
Especially since Pop's system likes wings that can shoot from the corner (Sean, Bruce, and even HWMNBN were parked in the corner on offense). Smith can't shoot.

Yeah, but Dick couldn't either. LOL being on the losing end of a trade when you move two retiring guys and another player who was damn near 40 at the time. :lol

Darkwaters
01-27-2013, 03:21 AM
Blair and Bonner are playing to good and winning games so no!

Blair and Bonner? Surely you mean to mention players that are actually in the rotation and are seeing minutes regularly, and not just when someone is hurt or resting for a game or two.

racm
01-27-2013, 03:25 AM
Yeah, but Dick couldn't either. LOL being on the losing end of a trade when you move two retiring guys and another player who was damn near 40 at the time. :lol

Hey, Pop and RC panicked with that trade tbh. :lol

SpursIndonesia
01-27-2013, 06:47 AM
Josh Smith might be a very good answer defensively to the hybrid superstar forwards like James and Durant, too bad he wants max money without the offensive skills & production to match it.

TJastal
01-27-2013, 07:42 AM
Josh Smith will never be part of a championship team, tbh..his style of play is too difficult to build around as a top 3 option..he can't shoot, he has no post moves, he can't attack consistently..he's a very good defensive player, but he doesn't fit anywhere offensively..he's an athlete that can be shut down by any playoff defense that focuses on him..

I acknowledge that he's a very solid passer and he can take advantage of 1 on 1 matchups on the perimeter, but he can't play in a top-tier half-court offense..

But he can throw down a vicious tomahawk. Doesn't that count for something?

jjktkk
01-27-2013, 09:25 AM
He's playing alongside more offensively gifted players in Horford, Teague, and Korver. The problem is that he won't accept being the AK47 to those guys.

If Smith was ever going to reach his potential, it would be with a veteran team like the Spurs imo. It would kinda remind me of Rodman getting traded to the bulls, back in the day.

SenorSpur
01-27-2013, 10:34 AM
Not going to happen. Despite his claims to the contrary, Smith IS NOT a max player. We'll see if some team elects to "pony up" that kind of cash to a player who has never led his team to a playoff series win. It certainly will not be the Spurs.

exstatic
01-27-2013, 10:50 AM
But he can throw down a vicious tomahawk. Doesn't that count for something?

Two points. :lol

exstatic
01-27-2013, 10:52 AM
In this new CBA climate, I don't see anyone ponying up tax/cap space on a MAX deal for Josh.

Baynes
01-27-2013, 11:17 AM
lol, send HEROBALL Neal and SCRUB Green in exchange for Korver

SpursIndonesia
01-27-2013, 11:38 AM
In this new CBA climate, I don't see anyone ponying up tax/cap space on a MAX deal for Josh.

Yeah, he is what he is, unlike Harden or Batum cases last summer.

CGD
01-27-2013, 01:16 PM
Dude is the quintessentia example of someone who is going to get max dollar this summer when he does not deserve it. Ferry did a good job getting rid of one of those players already and should do what he can to get rid of another. I also think the hawks should stay away from flirting with Dwight.

TDMVPDPOY
01-27-2013, 01:19 PM
max money should only goto franchise players or players who turn around a team into a contender

AFBlue
01-27-2013, 01:23 PM
Not going to happen. Despite his claims to the contrary, Smith IS NOT a max player. We'll see if some team elects to "pony up" that kind of cash to a player who has never led his team to a playoff series win. It certainly will not be the Spurs.

You're assuming the Spurs would acquire Smith with the intent of securing him long-term.

I'd see the Spurs acquiring him to be better in the short term and increase their chances of hanging banner #5.

If all they'd give up is Jackson and pieces that won't factor, I think it would be a worthwhile gamble.

exstatic
01-27-2013, 01:38 PM
Dude is the quintessentia example of someone who is going to get max dollar this summer when he does not deserve it. Ferry did a good job getting rid of one of those players already and should do what he can to get rid of another. I also think the hawks should stay away from flirting with Dwight.

No. The climate is slowly changing. One of the things that comes into effect this summer to repeat tax scofflaws like the Lakers is that they may no longer take part in either side of a sign and trade after paying the tax for either 3 or 4 consecutive years. That's huge. They've been signing and flipping bad contracts for the better part of the decade to stay in play for the big fish like Howard. They'll have one MLE and minimum contracts to refresh their roster every year. That's it. The only trades they can make are existing contract for existing contract, and most of their contracts are terrible values.

Teams are going to think more about throwing money at obviously and majorly flawed players like Smith. If they're going to err, it will be on the offensive player side.

timvp
01-27-2013, 01:38 PM
Josh Smith will never be part of a championship team, tbh..his style of play is too difficult to build around as a top 3 option..he can't shoot, he has no post moves, he can't attack consistently..he's a very good defensive player, but he doesn't fit anywhere offensively..he's an athlete that can be shut down by any playoff defense that focuses on him..

I acknowledge that he's a very solid passer and he can take advantage of 1 on 1 matchups on the perimeter, but he can't play in a top-tier half-court offense..

I agree mostly with this. Smith isn't someone who fits in an offensive system; he would stick out like a sore thumb and quickly become a liability in the playoffs. Add in the fact that his athleticism will only decline from here on out and I wouldn't trade for him for what the Hawks want ... much less sign him to a big money multi-year contract.



P.S.

Plus Danny Ferry just had to suspend him for detrimental conduct. By all accounts, he's close to being a bad apple ... if not a full fledged bad apple.

CGD
01-27-2013, 02:29 PM
Sure in theory. Those considerations didn't stop some clubs from making bad deals this past summer post new CBA. The Nets come to mind. I don't think Ferry wants Smith after this year, and would be content keeping the cap saving this summer as they look to rebuild in the coming years. Frankly, Smiths true value to that team imho is linked to the idea that somehow he is going to help them lure Howard. I know ATL sports fans are some of the flakiest fair weather fans outside if their precious SEC football, but I really hope ferry fights the urge to link those two together in the hopes of filling that perpetually empty arena. They should focus on rebuilding the right way using smith to get picks and prospects, and not blink twice about letting him walk if another team offers him max dollars this summer.

DMC
01-27-2013, 02:55 PM
Smith will find a stacking team and figure out a way to get in, or end up in Phoenix.

Frankie23
01-27-2013, 06:12 PM
Don't worry about the MAX contract.. He's not going to get one..

TDMVPDPOY
01-27-2013, 06:19 PM
why would the spurs need him, when they have kl and jax who provides more to the team then what he can bring to the table

he is as inconsistent as whatever is already on the bench, dont need another clown

Paranoid Pop
01-27-2013, 07:16 PM
I agree mostly with this. Smith isn't someone who fits in an offensive system; he would stick out like a sore thumb and quickly become a liability in the playoffs. Add in the fact that his athleticism will only decline from here on out and I wouldn't trade for him for what the Hawks want ... much less sign him to a big money multi-year contract.



P.S.

Plus Danny Ferry just had to suspend him for detrimental conduct. By all accounts, he's close to being a bad apple ... if not a full fledged bad apple.

Like Boris and SJax?

Lol at people snubbing him because he wouldn't fit the system... His would clearly put us over the top.

Paranoid Pop
01-27-2013, 07:17 PM
Don't worry about the MAX contract.. He's not going to get one..

Spurstalk : Splitter is going to make 10M+ when he can't create anything, even for himself, can't really rebound or defend that well, but not way in hell someone offers the max to Smith.................

Paranoid Pop
01-27-2013, 07:20 PM
why would the spurs need him, when they have kl and jax who provides more to the team then what he can bring to the table

he is as inconsistent as whatever is already on the bench, dont need another clown

He basically scored at will vs KY who had no answer for his short hooks.

TDMVPDPOY
01-27-2013, 07:21 PM
His would clearly put us over the top.[/B]

i have master the art of nonsense talkin on this forum, if this is ur way of trying to talk nonsense, u doing a bad job at it

AFBlue
01-27-2013, 07:55 PM
Smith is averaging 16.7ppg, 8.5rpg, 4.0apg, and shooting 45% from the floor.

I don't care if he's a primadonna that won't stick around because he believes he's a max player. I would take that production for five months if all you're giving up is Jackson and his sub-40% shooting plus a player/pick that won't be a factor for this season or next.

Again, I know it's not likely at all, but people on this site acting like Smith is a scrub are flat out wrong.

ajballer4
01-27-2013, 08:39 PM
For all those saying he would sit in the corner and wait for the 3 ball...Josh Smith would play the 4. Big rotation would be Duncan/Splitter and Diaw/Smith

exstatic
01-27-2013, 08:56 PM
Spurstalk : Splitter is going to make 10M+ when he can't create anything, even for himself, can't really rebound or defend that well, but not way in hell someone offers the max to Smith.................

People who have followed the NBA for, I don't know, a MONTH, realize that bigs always get overpaid because they are harder to find and develop than mid sized players.

T Park
01-27-2013, 09:02 PM
Josh Smith shouldnt be put within 500 feet of this basketball team...

cd021
01-27-2013, 10:09 PM
I've never found Josh Smith appealing.

Really? He's the Rolls Royce of tweeners. Rebounds wells. Can pot like sized Power forwards, runs the floor well. His jumps hot is ugly as hell though. I sure you have your reasons though.

cd021
01-27-2013, 10:46 PM
Smith is averaging 16.7ppg, 8.5rpg, 4.0apg, and shooting 45% from the floor.

I don't care if he's a primadonna that won't stick around because he believes he's a max player. I would take that production for five months if all you're giving up is Jackson and his sub-40% shooting plus a player/pick that won't be a factor for this season or next.

Again, I know it's not likely at all, but people on this site acting like Smith is a scrub are flat out wrong.

His numbers last season, were ridiculous.

josh smith 18.8 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.7 bpg. 1.4 spg. 45% FG

look_at_g_shred
01-27-2013, 10:48 PM
lol @ this thread

crc21209
01-27-2013, 11:20 PM
Yeaaah I wouldn't even trade Bonner for Josh Smith, and that's saying something. Guys like Mills, Bonner, Green, etc. at least know their role and are team players. Guys like Josh Smith are in it for themselves and don't really care about what happens to the team....

SenorSpur
01-28-2013, 12:49 AM
Smith is averaging 16.7ppg, 8.5rpg, 4.0apg, and shooting 45% from the floor.

I don't care if he's a primadonna that won't stick around because he believes he's a max player. I would take that production for five months if all you're giving up is Jackson and his sub-40% shooting plus a player/pick that won't be a factor for this season or next.

Again, I know it's not likely at all, but people on this site acting like Smith is a scrub are flat out wrong.

It's not that Smith is a scrub - far from it. Yet, let's not sit here and act as though he's a superstar-level player that can have a consistent affect on playoff games. Again, he's never led Atlanta to one playoff-series victory in his career and for the past several years, he wasn't even their best player until Joe Johnson left. The fact is this guy is not a player with a high BBIQ, despite being a superb defensive player. To expect the Spurs to disrupt their chemistry and take a chance on bringing him in - even for five months - is short-sighted. Even if the Spurs entertained this notion, which they will not, there's just not enough time for him to learn their offense - and let's face it, he's not the most disciplined player in the world. This thought of this potential acquisition has "backfire" written all over it. Spurs are much too smart for that.

TJastal
01-28-2013, 02:35 AM
It's not that Smith is a scrub - far from it. Yet, let's not sit here and act as though he's a superstar-level player that can have a consistent affect on playoff games. Again, he's never led Atlanta to one playoff-series victory in his career and for the past several years, he wasn't even their best player until Joe Johnson left. The fact is this guy is not a player with a high BBIQ, despite being a superb defensive player. To expect the Spurs to disrupt their chemistry and take a chance on bringing him in - even for five months - is short-sighted. Even if the Spurs entertained this notion, which they will not, there's just not enough time for him to learn their offense - and let's face it, he's not the most disciplined player in the world. This thought of this potential acquisition has "backfire" written all over it. Spurs are much too smart for that.

+1

Josh Smith would be even a bigger dissappointment on the spurs than Dwight Howard was to the lakers. He would be a malcontent from the word go. There wouldn't be nearly enough touches, shots, and minutes to pad his quota of empty stats.

ontheraise
01-28-2013, 05:33 AM
i don't understand why spurs fan want to bring in players like smith or kG those guy clearly does't have the mentality to fit on spurs organisation, those guy have ego larger then themself.

ontheraise
01-28-2013, 05:38 AM
His numbers last season, were ridiculous.

josh smith 18.8 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.7 bpg. 1.4 spg. 45% FG

the numbers are note the problem, spurs never relied on individual statistic, the secret of spurs succes is balance and chemistry.

Spursfanfromafar
01-28-2013, 05:38 AM
It's not that Smith is a scrub - far from it. Yet, let's not sit here and act as though he's a superstar-level player that can have a consistent affect on playoff games. Again, he's never led Atlanta to one playoff-series victory in his career and for the past several years, he wasn't even their best player until Joe Johnson left. The fact is this guy is not a player with a high BBIQ, despite being a superb defensive player. To expect the Spurs to disrupt their chemistry and take a chance on bringing him in - even for five months - is short-sighted. Even if the Spurs entertained this notion, which they will not, there's just not enough time for him to learn their offense - and let's face it, he's not the most disciplined player in the world. This thought of this potential acquisition has "backfire" written all over it. Spurs are much too smart for that.

Well even after Joe Johnson left, I think the Hawks' best player is Al Horford. Now, Horford for me is a good Spurs player. Unfortunately Atlanta will never let him go. He is on a good contract as well.

Paranoid Pop
01-28-2013, 05:55 AM
the numbers are note the problem, spurs never relied on individual statistic, the secret of spurs succes is balance and chemistry.

No the secret is the stars playing at star level like every good team in the league. Doesn't make you feel as special but its the truth.

racm
01-28-2013, 06:25 AM
It's not that Smith is a scrub - far from it. Yet, let's not sit here and act as though he's a superstar-level player that can have a consistent affect on playoff games. Again, he's never led Atlanta to one playoff-series victory in his career and for the past several years, he wasn't even their best player until Joe Johnson left. The fact is this guy is not a player with a high BBIQ, despite being a superb defensive player. To expect the Spurs to disrupt their chemistry and take a chance on bringing him in - even for five months - is short-sighted. Even if the Spurs entertained this notion, which they will not, there's just not enough time for him to learn their offense - and let's face it, he's not the most disciplined player in the world. This thought of this potential acquisition has "backfire" written all over it. Spurs are much too smart for that.

They didn't even reach the playoffs until Al Horford arrived

ontheraise
01-28-2013, 06:28 AM
No the secret is the stars playing at star level like every good team in the league. Doesn't make you feel as special but its the truth.

of course, but star who allow their team to sign good supporting cast cause they don't beg for max contract. and thats the thing that makes spurs 's star special

racm
01-28-2013, 06:36 AM
His numbers last season, were ridiculous.

josh smith 18.8 ppg, 9.6 rpg, 3.9 apg, 1.7 bpg. 1.4 spg. 45% FG

45% is frighteningly mediocre for a 4 who thinks he's a floor spreader. His TS% last season was... 49%. Yuck.

TDMVPDPOY
01-28-2013, 06:42 AM
good player posting numbers on a bad team

dont get suck into this shit again like the spurs did with RJ misleading stats, come here to ba cog rotational player where he wont be posting those sort of stats behind the big 3

AFBlue
01-28-2013, 07:36 AM
45% is frighteningly mediocre for a 4 who thinks he's a floor spreader. His TS% last season was... 49%. Yuck.

What is Stephen Jackson's TS%, because that's the only player currently contributing that the author is suggesting the Spurs give up.

racm
01-28-2013, 08:02 AM
What is Stephen Jackson's TS%, because that's the only player currently contributing that the author is suggesting the Spurs give up.

Well it's obviously much worse.

But I don't think Atlanta bites. They'd look like clear losers and the Spurs have rarely pulled off lopsided trades.

exstatic
01-28-2013, 08:14 AM
Well it's obviously much worse.

But I don't think Atlanta bites. They'd look like clear losers and the Spurs have rarely pulled off lopsided trades.

Actually, it's 48.6%. If you're unhappy about Stephen Jackson, you should want no part of Josh Smith in our offense. At least Jack is only playing 9 minutes. Smith would be mucking up the offense for probably 35 minutes per game. Yuck.

cd021
01-28-2013, 08:24 AM
the numbers are note the problem, spurs never relied on individual statistic, the secret of spurs succes is balance and chemistry.

When Duncan posted 2000 pts, 1000 rebounds, and 200 blocks in a single season, it sure didn't hurt.

cd021
01-28-2013, 08:27 AM
45% is frighteningly mediocre for a 4 who thinks he's a floor spreader. His TS% last season was... 49%. Yuck.

Duncan shot 48 or 49% last season, that isn't that far off. Duncan also had the benefit of playing with a much better play maker in Parker/Ginobili.

BG_Spurs_Fan
01-28-2013, 08:28 AM
When Duncan posted 2000 pts, 1000 rebounds, and 200 blocks in a single season, it sure didn't hurt.

So you think Smith would average the same numbers on the Spurs as he does now in Atlanta?

racm
01-28-2013, 08:33 AM
Duncan shot 48 or 49% last season, that isn't that far off. Duncan also had the benefit of playing with a much better play maker in Parker/Ginobili.

Timmy was at 53.1 TS% last season.

exstatic
01-28-2013, 08:39 AM
Duncan shot 48 or 49% last season, that isn't that far off. Duncan also had the benefit of playing with a much better play maker in Parker/Ginobili.

There is a HUGE difference between 45% and 49%. :lol People are marvelling at Tim's rejuvenation, and he's only gone from .492 to .505, a much smaller jump than the Grand Canyon between .450 and .490.

cd021
01-28-2013, 09:01 AM
There is a HUGE difference between 45% and 49%. :lol People are marvelling at Tim's rejuvenation, and he's only gone from .492 to .505, a much smaller jump than the Grand Canyon between .450 and .490.

Did you read the last part of my comment, better coaching, & better passers certainly didn't hurt Duncan's percentages. if Josh Smith completely cut out the 3 he could improve that number, similar to Marion and Dirk when they stopped shooting nearly as much 3's. Looking at Tim's FG% to determine his "rejuvenation" if I'm understanding you point, makes no since.

Per 36 minutes
-Scoring in the highest since he was 32.
-Blocks per 36 minutes highest of career/ Personal fouls fewest of career.
-Total Rebounding highest since age 31, 4th best of 15 year career.
-Steals highest of career
-Free Throw % highest of career.

cd021
01-28-2013, 09:04 AM
So you think Smith would average the same numbers on the Spurs as he does now in Atlanta?

No, I meant that the comment that the spurs don't rely on big individual numbers, is a little idealist, Duncan was an absolute monster. The Spurs benefited from his all around greatness. Smith couldn't dream of those numbers, but definitely has a versatile collection of skills. 19pts, 9.5 rpg, 1.5 bpg, 1.4 spg and 4.0 apg is very impressive. Considering he had to share with Iso-Joe for last year.

racm
01-28-2013, 09:04 AM
Did you read the last part of my comment, better coaching, & better passers certainly didn't hurt Duncan's percentages. if Josh Smith completely cut out the 3 he could improve that number, similar to Marion and Dirk when they stopped shooting nearly as much 3's. Looking at Tim's FG% to determine his "rejuvenation" if I'm understanding you point, makes no since.

Per 36 minutes
-Scoring in the highest since he was 32.
-Blocks per 36 minutes highest of career/ Personal fouls fewest of career.
-Total Rebounding highest since age 31, 4th best of 15 year career.
-Steals highest of career
-Free Throw % highest of career.

He's also at 55 TS%, which while not a career high looks great especially since he's taking more shots away from the basket.

cd021
01-28-2013, 09:06 AM
Timmy was at 53.1 TS% last season.

Didn't look at TS%. Someone commented to me about Smith's mediocre shooting percentage and I replied with Tims FG%. I actually don't know Smith's TS% last season.

cd021
01-28-2013, 09:07 AM
He's also at 55 TS%, which while not a career high looks great especially since he's taking more shots away from the basket.

Duly noted.

racm
01-28-2013, 09:09 AM
Didn't look at TS%. Someone commented to me about Smith's mediocre shooting percentage and I replied with Tims FG%. I actually don't know Smith's TS% last season.

That was me, and Smith's TS% last season was a whopping 49%. That blows.

cd021
01-28-2013, 09:15 AM
That was me, and Smith's TS% last season was a whopping 49%. That blows.

Fair enough. He must be a really shitty FT shooter.

ontheraise
01-28-2013, 09:34 AM
When Duncan posted 2000 pts, 1000 rebounds, and 200 blocks in a single season, it sure didn't hurt.

I love when people does like they doesn't understand what i mean, of course a great team have great player that put big numbers but my point is that putting superstar with big number in the same team is not the magic answer to be successful just watch the lakers!
I know it's a bit difficult for most nba fan to understand that statistics doesn't say it all of a player, a team or a game.

cd021
01-28-2013, 09:36 AM
I love when people does like they doesn't understand what i mean, of course a great team have great player that put big numbers but my point is that putting superstar with big number in the same team is not the magic answer to be successful just watch the lakers!
I know it's a bit difficult for most nba fan to understand that statistics doesn't say it all of a player, a team or a game.

I get your point, but I was making a joke and then someone asked me about it an i responded.

Didn't realize your were on such a higher plane with your fundamental understanding of the game of basketball, I'll simply defer to you every time I get stumped with the basic questions regarding the NBA.

ontheraise
01-28-2013, 09:47 AM
I'll simply defer to you every time I get stumped with the basic questions regarding the NBA.

for sure, I'll be more than happy to educate yourself.

cd021
01-28-2013, 12:38 PM
for sure, I'll be more than happy to educate yourself.

Yeah,no.

Obstructed_View
01-28-2013, 12:44 PM
The difference in the Spurs and the Thunder last year was that the Thunder had a superstar who could step up and get a big bucket in crunchtime of a close game. I watched the end of last night's game against the Knicks to see if Smith fills that need. Short of kneecapping one of his teammates, I'm unsure how he could have been a bigger bust in the last minute of that game.

ManuTastic
01-29-2013, 12:21 PM
This team has all the offense it needs. I for one would love a stout, sizeable defender like J Smoove on this team. If all it takes is SJax plus scraps, even for just this stretch run, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

look_at_g_shred
01-29-2013, 12:49 PM
This team has all the offense it needs. I for one would love a stout, sizeable defender like J Smoove on this team. If all it takes is SJax plus scraps, even for just this stretch run, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Same here. Imagine Manu and Smith in the PnR....:downspin:

Hoops Czar
01-29-2013, 01:02 PM
Actually, it's 48.6%. If you're unhappy about Stephen Jackson, you should want no part of Josh Smith in our offense. At least Jack is only playing 9 minutes. Smith would be mucking up the offense for probably 35 minutes per game. Yuck.

Interesting. Well one player is 34 and the other is 27. Defense wins championships and the Spurs have plenty of offensive firepower to boot. For his career, Smith has a career .515 Ts% compared to Sax's .520. But more importantly, Smith is much better defensively and has a lot more upside than Jackson. The last thing you should be worried about is how Smith will muck up the offense especially after watching S-jax doing basically what amounts to nothing on the offensive end of the court. If Atlanta agreed to this ridiculously lopsided trade proposal, the Spurs wouldn't even think twice about it if they thought he would sign here long term.