Bonner still finding ways to choke tbh

[freetiago]

Since the letbonnershoot has started bonner is 5/16 on 3s
doubt he gets in this year even with the hype

[racm]

He's been finishing inside the arc far better though, which means he'll be less of a liability in the postseason.

[ElNono]

He's been getting somewhat consistent minutes since the Hawks game, and it's starting to worry me, tbh... let's hope that when Tim and Pop come back he goes back to racking DNP-CDs...

[freetiago]

The why is bonner getting more minutes then baynes thread creator was a true visionary tbh
and im hoping its because bud doesnt want to play the new guy over the established veteran or some nonsense like that
hopefully he gets his chance during some blowouts vs the weak competition coming up

[timvp]

Since the letbonnershoot has started bonner is 5/16 on 3s
doubt he gets in this year even with the hype

I've thought the same thing, tbh :lol

I truthfully think his recent slump is him feeling pressure from the #letbonnershoot campaign. Just Matty being Matty, I suppose.

[Ice009]

He cannot handle any pressure at all. He gets a little bit of hype, mentioned, on air, about making the 3 point contest, then he just starts missing all his 3 point shots.

I wonder how he would react in the 3 point contest, with all the people watching him shoot solo? I'm also wondering if it could actually help him in the games, especially if he does well out there, if he does poorly, then I think he could be worse off.

[racm]

He's been getting somewhat consistent minutes since the Hawks game, and it's starting to worry me, tbh... let's hope that when Tim and Pop come back he goes back to racking DNP-CDs...

Unless the game is blown wide open Coach B will be given DNP CDs, especially if it's a crucial game.

[99 Problems]

Red Mamba dunked in one game, will you people never be satisfied?

[Sean Cagney]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh, he is what he is, not a fan of him and don't really care he is on the team. I hope his mins go back though when Tim gets back, no need for him to be in the regular rotation IMO.

[racm]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh, he is what he is, not a fan of him and don't really care he is on the team. I hope his mins go back though when Tim gets back, no need for him to be in the regular rotation IMO.

Pop doesn't have him in the rotation tbh. The only time he gets minutes is when Diaw's too passive.

[Sean Cagney]

Pop doesn't have him in the rotation tbh. The only time he gets minutes is when Diaw's too passive.

Thats a good thing AS WE KNOW what he will do later in the year when it matters, it's proven.

[therealtruth]

That's why I said I don't think it's a good idea. He's going to have lots of eyes on him and have to shoot several three pointers in a short amount of time. If it was a 3pt shooting contest with no time limit he would probably win.

[therealtruth]

Pop doesn't have him in the rotation tbh. The only time he gets minutes is when Diaw's too passive.

It would be better for Pop to work with Diaw more since we'll need him in the playoffs.

[angelbelow]

He's been finishing inside the arc far better though, which means he'll be less of a liability in the postseason.

Awesome, sounds good! :toast

[racm]

Awesome, sounds good! :toast

He's not in the playoff rotation though, barring stuff like garbage time.

It's gonna be Parker/Manu as the ball-handlers, Green/KL/Jax as the wings, and TD/Splitter/Diaw in the frontcourt if we pare it down to 8 men. Neal's the instant offense 9th man.

[Obstructed_View]

He's been finishing inside the arc far better though, which means he'll be less of a liability in the postseason.

The one and only way for Bonner to be less of a liability in the postseason is by reducing the minutes he's on the floor.

[FromWayDowntown]

I've thought the same thing, tbh :lol

I truthfully think his recent slump is him feeling pressure from the #letbonnershoot campaign. Just Matty being Matty, I suppose.

Usually, my assumption would be that Matty and his acquiescence to pressure would lead him to break the record for fewest points in a three-point shootout. Then I discovered that the record (5 points) is held by Michael Jordan (set in 1990).

Thus, if Matty goes and the pressure gets to him per par, he'll be in an odd spot of trying to break a Michael Jordan record.

[dbestpro]

Is Danny Green going to be the new Matt Bonner?

By that I mean a player who should be a sub but is starting and can't live up to the needs of the job.

[Russ]

Guys like Bonner choke because they think they have something to lose.

Guys like Jack don't because they think they never had anything to lose (they may be wrong, but that's their mentality).

If Bonner went to the 3 point contest, he would probably be terrible. Not so much because he'd choke (although he would) but because that contest rewards quick releases. Bonner probably wouldn't even get off the required shots in the time allowed because of his long awkward shooting motion.

He would lose and lose badly. That might be the best thing that could happen to him. The humiliation might finally free him up from the protective mind set that imprisons him in chokeville. (It wouldn't help that long slow shooting motion, though.)

[FromWayDowntown]

Guys like Bonner choke because they think they have something to lose.

Guys like Jack don't because they think they never had anything to lose (they may be wrong, but that's their mentality).


Horry discussed that at length after Game 5 of the 05 Finals. Made same point and it makes sense.

[Blake]

What are the cut off percentages for:

-choking
-normal
-hot

[DMC]

This talk happens every year. Bonner is what he is, and that is not a clutch shooter. There is pressure in the 3pt contest to shoot quickly and in rhythm. Bonner wouldn't be able to get in the shots in the allotted time. At least he's not faking and taking two dribbles into the lane then standing there with the ball over his head.

Other than the contest itself, I think it's a bad omen when a role player wins the contest, because it gives them the green light to fire away. I prefer people who pick their shots.

I think Neal would be ok in the contest, especially once he got into his rhythm. He's opposite of Bonner, since he shoots quickly and doesn't seem to notice pressure moments.

[Blake]

Other than the contest itself, I think it's a bad omen when a role player wins the contest, because it gives them the green light to fire away. I prefer people who pick their shots.

I think Neal would be ok in the contest, especially once he got into his rhythm. He's opposite of Bonner, since he shoots quickly and doesn't seem to notice pressure moments.

So you actually prefer Bonner over Neal.

Interesting.

[DMC]

So you actually prefer Bonner over Neal.

Interesting.

Coach Pop gives Neal the green light to fire away. He picks his shots. I have no idea where you're coming from.

[TDMVPDPOY]

i dunno how u call him a choker

i think a player like him is not good for the playoffs due to his slow release.....

players always rushed to shut down any space his given, but i bet they will leave him open if he is 2-3 ft behind the line, i dunno if he has that kind of range and good efficiency from that range where players would just dare him to shoot from that distance behind the 3pt line....if they allow him, he should force it up....unlike green or neal who just forces it up any given opportunity and live with it

is bonner the calderon of this team wont put up shots cause his scared to hurt his efficiency %

[TDMVPDPOY]

Coach Pop gives Neal the green light to fire away. He picks his shots. I have no idea where you're coming from.

the shots where he goes NVE on the other team outside the offensive system?

[SA210]

lol bonner

[spurs10]

He's not in the playoff rotation though, barring stuff like garbage time.

It's gonna be Parker/Manu as the ball-handlers, Green/KL/Jax as the wings, and TD/Splitter/Diaw in the frontcourt if we pare it down to 8 men. Neal's the instant offense 9th man.
Sounds about right. Mills, Nando, Blair, and the Big Redimental probably will see limited burn in the playoffs. :hat

[Blake]

Coach Pop gives Neal the green light to fire away. He picks his shots. I have no idea where you're coming from.

If you think Neal picks his shots and Bonner doesn't (as much/ at all), then I have no idea what your definition of ”picks his shots” is.

edit: unless you mean picks his own shots outside the system?

...still doesn't quite make sense when you add that you think a role player like Neal would do good in the three point contest.

[Obstructed_View]

Is Danny Green going to be the new Matt Bonner?

By that I mean a player who should be a sub but is starting and can't live up to the needs of the job.

He is a sub who's starting and can't live up to the needs of the job. There's actually a really good shooting guard on the team, but we like to have him pad the bench stat numbers.

[DMC]

If you think Neal picks his shots and Bonner doesn't (as much/ at all), then I have no idea what your definition of ”picks his shots” is.

edit: unless you mean picks his own shots outside the system?

...still doesn't quite make sense when you add that you think a role player like Neal would do good in the three point contest.

What part of "I think it's a bad omen" do you not quite understand? How does that mean I choose Bonner over Neal? Do you realize these two guys play different roles? Help me understand your confusion.

Also, what part of "other than the contest itself" do you not understand?

[Blake]

I didn't say anything about ” bad omen”. I thought it was real clear which part I asked you to define.

whatever.

[Whisky Dog]

Usually, my assumption would be that Matty and his acquiescence to pressure would lead him to break the record for fewest points in a three-point shootout. Then I discovered that the record (5 points) is held by Michael Jordan (set in 1990).

Thus, if Matty goes and the pressure gets to him per par, he'll be in an odd spot of trying to break a Michael Jordan record.

If you told Bonner before the contest that he'd be breaking a Michael Jordan record if he sucked he would go out and turn into Craig Hodges just because the pressure of beating Jordan would be too much for him.

[timvp]

If you told Bonner before the contest that he'd be breaking a Michael Jordan record if he sucked he would go out and turn into Craig Hodges just because the pressure of beating Jordan would be too much for him.

9.8/10

[DMC]

I didn't say anything about ” bad omen”. I thought it was real clear which part I asked you to define.

whatever.

No, I said something about "bad omen", you concluded that means I choose Bonner over Neal. I am still trying to understand how you made that leap. You're inferring that Neal doesn't pick his shots. Who picks them if it's not him? Bonner has to be set up. He's never, to my knowledge, created a 3pt opportunity. The defense has to be pulled 10' from him before he's even remotely open to shoot. I prefer a 3pt shooter who can get his own shot. Why is that hard? Are you trying to equate "picks his shots" to "is picky about his shots"?

[BatManu20]

The Red Mamba is just waiting for the right opportunity to strike..

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[Blake]

No, I said something about "bad omen", you concluded that means I choose Bonner over Neal. I am still trying to understand how you made that leap. You're inferring that Neal doesn't pick his shots. Who picks them if it's not him? Bonner has to be set up. He's never, to my knowledge, created a 3pt opportunity. The defense has to be pulled 10' from him before he's even remotely open to shoot. I prefer a 3pt shooter who can get his own shot. Why is that hard? Are you trying to equate "picks his shots" to "is picky about his shots"?

you made it sound like the green light was a bad thing.

Thus Bonner>Neal.

either you misthunk what you wrote or I misread it.

[Drz]

Since the letbonnershoot has started bonner is 5/16 on 3s
doubt he gets in this year even with the hype
There's no real hype, other than with Spurs fans. Eva Longoria and Kenny Mayne tweets are fun, but I wouldn't be surprised if David Stern hasn't even heard of this.

Also, the level of boneheaded retardedness in this thread is unreal. If anyone here really thinks he gives even the slightest shit about this while he's attempting a 3, you need to seriously reevaluate your ability to think.

[freetiago]

resident bonnersucker reporting in ^

let me guess your explanation for the former highest 3 point % leader suddenly going cold once letbonnershoot is small sample size

:wakeup

[SenorSpur]

They should change his nickname from the Red Rocket to the Red Choker.

[Blake]

resident bonnersucker reporting in ^

let me guess your explanation for the former highest 3 point % leader suddenly going cold once letbonnershoot is small sample size

:wakeup

Where are you getting that 5/16 (31%) is going cold?

Again, what's the percentage level for coldness and what is the minimum number of attempts you are basing this on?

[TJastal]

This talk happens every year. Bonner is what he is, and that is not a clutch shooter. There is pressure in the 3pt contest to shoot quickly and in rhythm. Bonner wouldn't be able to get in the shots in the allotted time. At least he's not faking and taking two dribbles into the lane then standing there with the ball over his head.

Other than the contest itself, I think it's a bad omen when a role player wins the contest, because it gives them the green light to fire away. I prefer people who pick their shots.

I think Neal would be ok in the contest, especially once he got into his rhythm. He's opposite of Bonner, since he shoots quickly and doesn't seem to notice pressure moments.

I disagree. Bonner would own in the 3pt shooting contest. He is the king of uncontested 3's. And there wouldn't be any pressure on him to win so no choking. I would actually put money on him to win it.

[freetiago]

resident bonnersucker #2 in ^

there is no percentage level for coldness but for bonner id say anything under 33%
35% is league average and this guy is shooting wide open 3 point shots and hes a career 42% 3 point shooter which is near top 10 all time (13)
for a guy whose known to be the best 3 point shooter if left wide open and being an nba player whose a one trick pony
matt bonner is choking
he averages 1.8 3 point attempts per game
which means a 16 shot sample size is roughly 9 games of attempts
9 games is pretty big sample size actually
when tim had 3 bad games people were jumping off cliffs proclaiming him done
bonner choking over a roughly 9 game sample size is significant

[chapnis]

^ It's a 3 or 4 game sample not a 9 games sample. Saying that a 3/4 game sample is really a 9 game sample is ludicrous.

[freetiago]

He took 9 games worth of shots
i didnt say he played 9 games

and hes a one trick pony specialist who only shoots wide open shots
if hes not hitting them at even an average rate hes worthelss
all the other bonnersuckers are also giving no reason as to why he suddenly went cold right when letbonnershoot started

[DMC]

I disagree. Bonner would own in the 3pt shooting contest. He is the king of uncontested 3's. And there wouldn't be any pressure on him to win so no choking. I would actually put money on him to win it.
Bonner most often doesn't have pressure on him to win. He feels pressure for any given number of situations like expiring clock, someone closing out from 30', "we need this basket" or other. In the contest, every shot is a pressure shot, but rest assured he'd probably do fine once he reached the point of no return, drawing dead basically. He'd miss every money ball.

[Blake]

resident bonnersucker #2 in ^

there is no percentage level for coldness but for bonner id say anything under 33%
35% is league average and this guy is shooting wide open 3 point shots and hes a career 42% 3 point shooter which is near top 10 all time (13)

matt bonner is choking

bonner choking over a roughly 9 game sample size is significant

So you're saying that if he had made just one more three pointer to be at 6-16, 38%, you don't start this thread.

gnsf going DAM.

[Drz]

So you're saying that if he had made just one more three pointer to be at 6-16, 38%, you don't start this thread.

gnsf going DAM.
I wonder if freetiago will admit defeat, come up with an idiotic reply, or never post in this thread again. Those are very literally the only three possible options. My money is on #3.

Whether you're a Bonner-lover, Bonner-hater, or don't care at all, saying anyone has only gone 5 of 16 from 3 point land because of the pressure of possibly being in the 3 point all-star game is beyond ludicrous. I actually lost some respect for timvp in this thread because of it. :(

[Blake]

Whether you're a Bonner-lover, Bonner-hater, or don't care at all, saying anyone has only gone 5 of 16 from 3 point land because of the pressure of possibly being in the 3 point all-star game is beyond ludicrous. I actually lost some respect for timvp in this thread because of it. :(

timvp finances/manages an ad free, loosely moderated message board where slappies like us can hang out, he/they adopted kids and most importantly, he told death to fuck off. Next to impossible not to give utmost respect.

if he said Duncan was a lazy turd, I'm not sure I would call him out for it.


.....but this obvious biased hate for Bonner......different lol story.

[Drz]

timvp finances/manages an ad free, loosely moderated message board where slappies like us can hang out, he/they adopted kids and most importantly, he told death to fuck off. Next to impossible not to give utmost respect.

if he said Duncan was a lazy turd, I'm not sure I would call him out for it.
Yeah, I felt bad after I posted that.... he probably just a made a quick happy reply in this thread without really thinking about it. I would've gone back and edited that part out if I hadn't already closed the window.

timvp, thank you for the exceedingly well-run site, you are still the man.