Tony Parker: Most Underrated Player in the NBA

[manufan10]

After extensive research and deep thought, I have determined the responsible parties in the conspiracy to devalue the career of San Antonio’s Tony Parker.
He is, you might have often read and heard, underrated and not appreciated – not, at least, as one of the best point guards of the past decade. When discussions of the great NBA point guards are in progress, Parker is an afterthought.
“Even today, with all he has done, he still doesn’t get the credit he deserves,” says Mavericks TV analyst Derek Harper, once an outstanding but, yes, underrated point guard. “All you hear about is Chris Paul and Deron Williams. People even rate Steve Nash over Tony right now.”

Continue Reading: http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/01/27/hubbard-exposing-tony-parkers-detractors/

[Richie]

The only point guard I'd put over Tony is Paul (and Rose if/when he's 100%)

[Brunodf]

Curry...

[Richie]

Curry...

I'm a big fan of Curry, and no doubt he is a better shooter, but I'd take Tony right now. Obviously Curry is better long term, but aside from 3P% Tony is better than Curry across the board this year.

More assists, higher PER, fewer turnovers, higher FG% all in 6 fewer minutes/game. Curry is getting 1 point more per game, but when playing 6mpg more, I'd give the edge to Tony on that.

Like I say I'm a big fan of Curry (and the Warriors in general tbh) but for this season I'd take Parker.

[Brunodf]

I'm a big fan of Curry, and no doubt he is a better shooter, but I'd take Tony right now. Obviously Curry is better long term, but aside from 3P% Tony is better than Curry across the board this year.

More assists, higher PER, fewer turnovers, higher FG% all in 6 fewer minutes/game. Curry is getting 1 point more per game, but when playing 6mpg more, I'd give the edge to Tony on that.

Like I say I'm a big fan of Curry (and the Warriors in general tbh) but for this season I'd take Parker.

I am not saying that i would take Curry over Tony, i am saying Curry is the most underrated...

[Baynes]

did you know, that when you proportion Parker's minutes to Westbrook's, their stats will be almost identical except that Parker still takes less shot, shoots in high % and not pulling-up on long twos. :O

[Richie]

I am not saying that i would take Curry over Tony, i am saying Curry is the most underrated...

Fire, it's a disgrace that he isn't in the all star game

[Baynes]

TDMVPDPOY will curse this thread :depressed

[SpursIndonesia]

Truth bomb has been spoken.

[TDMVPDPOY]

stephen curry is fkn overrated whoever mention that he deserves a spot on the all star team this season

players must have 2 consecutive good seasons, to prove that the previous season was no fluke

this should fkn apply every clown who wants to appear selected to the all star team or any nba team awards end of year....

[Russ]

Parker is so underrated it's silly.

His performance last night was frightening in its ferocity.

But the only way he overcomes the lack of recognition is if he leads the way to a series win over OKC or Miami (rather than start out hot and fade as the series plays out).

[ElNono]

He's an All Star... not sure how that's underrated...

[TDMVPDPOY]

TDMVPDPOY will curse this thread :depressed

frOm an individual performance he can put up stats no doubt about it, he can match any pg production for the night h2h whoever his up against......<<< the problem here is he also allows the other pg to get their own seasonal avg stats, whats the point if his trading baskets with them

we have never seen him dominate anyone and shut them down or force them to produce below their seasonal avgs...

i wont rank him cause its hard to rank him, even though some of you clowns have him top3-5 which are all debatable depending on what ur team is looking for in a PG

[TDMVPDPOY]

Parker is so underrated it's silly.

His performance last night was frightening in its ferocity.

But the only way he overcomes the lack of recognition is if he leads the way to a series win over OKC or Miami (rather than start out hot and fade as the series plays out).

He fades too much the longer the series goes on and teams adjust to him where you see him just shit the bed every time teams chuck a bigger defender on him....this shit has gone on too long iimo that he hasnt find a way around it

i dunno what sort of recognition his going to get when the most important games his always getting bailed out by the backup PG....

[timvp]

Good article by Jan Hubbard. The only flaw I see is where he says he can't say Tony Parker is better than Deron Williams. That's actually no contest.

Parker >>>>>>>>>>>> Williams

Best case scenario is the Spurs get the first seed and then play CP3 and the Clippers in the WCF. Not only is that a better matchup than OKC, we get to see TP vs. CP3 Round 3.

I know CP3 was "injured" last year so Parker's cromination of him has been given an asterisk. Back in 2008, CP3 was pretty much impossible for the Spurs to guard ... but that was largely because of that Tyson Chandler alleyoop threat. If the Spurs guarded CP3 at all coming off that pick, he'd just toss it in the air and Chandler would dunk it. CP3 doesn't have that huge pressure valve with the Clippers ... so the Spurs can actually gameplan against him.

But even back in 2008, Parker was the one who came up clutch in Game 7 on the road while Duncan and Ginobili were choking and CP3 was deferring to Jannero Pargo. In that fourth quarter, Parker was 3-for-5 with eight points and the danger jumper with under a minute to go. Duncan and Ginobili were a combined 0-for-10 from the floor; in fact, that duo missed their last 13 shots from the field going back to the middle of the third quarter.

So, yeah, a rubber match would be awesome to watch. The two best PGs in the league battling for a trip to the Finals. Let's just hope CP3 isn't "injured" again, tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Good article by Jan Hubbard. The only flaw I see is where he says he can't say Tony Parker is better than Deron Williams. That's actually no contest.

Parker >>>>>>>>>>>> Williams


they are about even no matter how much u wanna say parker>williams.....williams has shit the bed ever since he became a coach killer, getting traded, getting fat and losing interest cause shit is not going as he sign up to....

[DDUBB1770]

Good article by Jan Hubbard. The only flaw I see is where he says he can't say Tony Parker is better than Deron Williams. That's actually no contest.

Parker >>>>>>>>>>>> Williams

Best case scenario is the Spurs get the first seed and then play CP3 and the Clippers in the WCF. Not only is that a better matchup than OKC, we get to see TP vs. CP3 Round 3.

I know CP3 was "injured" last year so Parker's cromination of him has been given an asterisk. Back in 2008, CP3 was pretty much impossible for the Spurs to guard ... but that was largely because of that Tyson Chandler alleyoop threat. If the Spurs guarded CP3 at all coming off that pick, he'd just toss it in the air and Chandler would dunk it. CP3 doesn't have that huge pressure valve with the Clippers ... so the Spurs can actually gameplan against him.

But even back in 2008, Parker was the one who came up clutch in Game 7 on the road while Duncan and Ginobili were choking and CP3 was deferring to Jannero Pargo. In that fourth quarter, Parker was 3-for-5 with eight points and the danger jumper with under a minute to go. Duncan and Ginobili were a combined 0-for-10 from the floor; in fact, that duo missed their last 13 shots from the field going back to the middle of the third quarter.

So, yeah, a rubber match would be awesome to watch. The two best PGs in the league battling for a trip to the Finals. Let's just hope CP3 isn't "injured" again, tbh.

Gasp!!!! Tim Duncan only chokes when he is auto erotically asphyxiating him self!!! Have some respect!

[Brunodf]

But even back in 2008, Parker was the one who came up clutch in Game 7 on the road while Duncan and Ginobili were choking and CP3 was deferring to Jannero Pargo. In that fourth quarter, Parker was 3-for-5 with eight points and the danger jumper with under a minute to go. Duncan and Ginobili were a combined 0-for-10 from the floor; in fact, that duo missed their last 13 shots from the field going back to the middle of the third quarter.



Wut? Didn't Manu hit like 7 3s in that game?

[ElNono]

Good article by Jan Hubbard. The only flaw I see is where he says he can't say Tony Parker is better than Deron Williams. That's actually no contest.

Parker >>>>>>>>>>>> Williams

It's easy to throw Deron under the bus with his current struggles, but let's not pretend that Tony doesn't greatly benefit from having years in a system, having a good, stable team and also consistency in coaching.

The last time Williams was in that situation (in Utah), he was widely regarded as much better than TP.

Obviously, Deron's demise is not TP's fault at all, but Williams own doing. That said, the gap in talent is much smaller than 12 '>', IMO.

[spurs10]

Parker is so underrated it's silly.

His performance last night was frightening in its ferocity.

But the only way he overcomes the lack of recognition is if he leads the way to a series win over OKC or Miami (rather than start out hot and fade as the series plays out).
Tony's play last night was pretty ferocious! As ElNono pointed out, he is an All Star. Like Jack said, I think he should be starting.

[ElNono]

And Manu was clutch as fuck in that Hornets game, tbh... drawing 3 fouls in the final minute and making all 6 of the freebies to send us to the WCF... that's with a bum ankle too.

[Russ]

But even back in 2008, Parker was the one who came up clutch in Game 7 on the road while Duncan and Ginobili were choking and CP3 was deferring to Jannero Pargo. In that fourth quarter, Parker was 3-for-5 with eight points and the danger jumper with under a minute to go. Duncan and Ginobili were a combined 0-for-10 from the floor; in fact, that duo missed their last 13 shots from the field going back to the middle of the third quarter.

When Parker comes up big late in a series, the Spurs win. Simple as that. He's the weather vane.

Problem is, ever since '04 the theory has been, pack the paint on TP and foul him hard every time he goes to the hole. Don't worry, the NBA won't protect him -- at least not against the OKC, Miami, and Lakers of the world.

It's not Parker's fault, but he's the victim nonetheless. It's just a flaw in the game that gets exploited by the opposition.

[TDMVPDPOY]

When Parker comes up big late in a series, the Spurs win. Simple as that. He's the weather vane.

Problem is, ever since '04 the theory has been, pack the paint on TP and foul him hard every time he goes to the hole. Don't worry, the NBA won't protect him -- at least not against the OKC, Miami, the Lakers of the world.

It's not Parker's fault, but he's the victim nonetheless. It's just a flaw in the game that gets exploited by the opposition.

playing the victim game gtfo, teams adjust and u dont adjust is ur own downfall...packing the lane or chucking a bigger defender on parker all worked, if he had a reliable jumper then none of this wouldve happen

[Strategic]

Problem is, ever since '04 the theory has been, pack the paint on TP and foul him hard every time he goes to the hole. Don't worry, the NBA won't protect him -- at least not against the OKC, Miami, and Lakers of the world.



Isn't this where "spot up shooting specialist" Danny Green has to make his treys and create some space for Parker? If he can't make the shots then Parker will be bottled up again, and TD also. The Spurs pay him 3.5 mil. and thats his job on the O end.

[101A]

Tony Parker's numbers were climbing steadily...until marriage. Had a (slight) lull there for a couple of seasons; but has been nails (and improving) ever since the divorce. At least as I see it. Regular sex (as opposed to marriage) makes a guy more productive.

[Strategic]

Parker >>>>>>>>>>>> Williams

Best case scenario is the Spurs get the first seed and then play CP3 and the Clippers in the WCF. Not only is that a better matchup than OKC, we get to see TP vs. CP3 Round 3.



Yup on the first point. The second one is more of a wet dream than a best case, imo.

[DAF86]

Good article by Jan Hubbard. The only flaw I see is where he says he can't say Tony Parker is better than Deron Williams. That's actually no contest.

Parker >>>>>>>>>>>> Williams

Best case scenario is the Spurs get the first seed and then play CP3 and the Clippers in the WCF. Not only is that a better matchup than OKC, we get to see TP vs. CP3 Round 3.

I know CP3 was "injured" last year so Parker's cromination of him has been given an asterisk. Back in 2008, CP3 was pretty much impossible for the Spurs to guard ... but that was largely because of that Tyson Chandler alleyoop threat. If the Spurs guarded CP3 at all coming off that pick, he'd just toss it in the air and Chandler would dunk it. CP3 doesn't have that huge pressure valve with the Clippers ... so the Spurs can actually gameplan against him.

But even back in 2008, Parker was the one who came up clutch in Game 7 on the road while Duncan and Ginobili were choking and CP3 was deferring to Jannero Pargo. In that fourth quarter, Parker was 3-for-5 with eight points and the danger jumper with under a minute to go. Duncan and Ginobili were a combined 0-for-10 from the floor; in fact, that duo missed their last 13 shots from the field going back to the middle of the third quarter.

So, yeah, a rubber match would be awesome to watch. The two best PGs in the league battling for a trip to the Finals. Let's just hope CP3 isn't "injured" again, tbh.

And here I was all these years thinking that the guy featured on this video was Manu.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VOvTot74zc

[timvp]

And here I was all these years thinking that the guy featured on this video was Manu.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VOvTot74zc

How does that change Ginobili + Duncan = 0-for-13 in the final 18 minutes of that game?

[DAF86]

How does that change Ginobili + Duncan = 0-for-13 in the final 18 minutes of that game?

And how does that make 26pts with 5 assts and 5 rbds on one leg "choking" in that game 7 on the road? Is the same logic in where the fastest guy on the NBA isn't athletic?

[RodNIc91]

Manu was big in that game but he wasnt as clutch as Tony thats the point. If you remember those playoffs no one outside the big 3 were able to generate any offense. If not for tony the hornets comeback and taake the game.

[timvp]

And how does that make 26pts with 5 assts and 5 rbds on one leg "choking" in that game 7 on the road? Is the same logic in where the fastest guy on the NBA isn't athletic?

0-for-13 doesn't lie. If Parker were part of an 0-for-13 to close out a Game 7, no one would ever let him live it down.

How athletic is Parker? Is that why he didn't choke in that game? I don't know why you want to bring up his athleticism, tbh.






P.S.

Take away the technical free throws and the free throws at the end where the Hornets were intentionally fouling and Manu had 19 points on 6-for-19 shooting. Props, I guess.

[DAF86]

0-for-13 doesn't lie. If Parker were part of an 0-for-13 to close out a Game 7, no one would ever let him live it down.

How athletic is Parker? Is that why he didn't choke in that game? I don't know why you want to bring up his athleticism, tbh.

Do you consider Manu's performance on that game 7 a choke? yes or no, simple answer.

And I didn't bring up Parker's athleticism, I brought up your reasoning skills :lol

[timvp]

Do you consider Manu's performance on that game 7 a choke? yes or no, simple answer.

And I didn't bring up Parker's athleticism, I brought up your reasoning skills :lol

Yes. Being a part of an 0-for-13 stretch in the final 18 minutes is a choke. It's pretty much the textbook definition. Game 7, on the road, needing baskets .... 0-for-13. Choke.

Do you think 6-for-19 with no made field goals in the final 18 minutes is a choke? Yes or no, simple answer.

And, yes, it's possible to be fast but not a good athlete in terms of jumping and being overpowering in the air by NBA standards. Not exactly a hard concept to follow, IMO.

[DAF86]

P.S.

Take away the technical free throws and the free throws at the end where the Hornets were intentionally fouling and Manu had 19 points on 6-for-19 shooting. Props, I guess.

Why take away those and penalize Manu for being the most reliable guy on the line during clutch time when arguing clutchness? :lol

[timvp]

Why take away those and penalize Manu for being the most reliable guy on the line during clutch time when arguing clutchness? :lol

That didn't look like a yes or no answer, IMO.

[DAF86]

Yes. Being a part of an 0-for-13 stretch in the final 18 minutes is a choke. It's pretty much the textbook definition. Game 7, on the road, needing baskets .... 0-for-13. Choke.

Do you think 6-for-19 with no made field goals in the final 18 minutes is a choke? Yes or no, simple answer.

And, yes, it's possible to be fast but not a good athlete in terms of jumping and being overpowering in the air by NBA standards. Not exactly a hard concept to follow, IMO.

No, is not a choke 'cause he still managed to post 26pts, 5assts and 5 rbds and being arguable the main reason as to why the Spurs managed to win that game.

[ElNono]

:lol Tony was 7-17 in that game and scored 17... he was the epitome of no-show until he made a couple of baskets in the 4th...

Tony would live down a 0-for-13 if he would be drawing fouls non-stop in the clutch, sinking the freebies and winning the game... but back then, Pop knew who should have the ball in his hand to close out games, tbh...

[DAF86]

That didn't look like a yes or no answer, IMO.

Wasn't answering a yes or no question, tbh.

[timvp]

No, is not a choke 'cause he still managed to post 26pts, 5assts and 5 rbds and being arguable the main reason as to why the Spurs managed to win that game.Okay, being part of an 0-for-13 is not a choke. Got it.


Tony would live down a 0-for-13 if he would be drawing fouls non-stop in the clutchWho was doing that? No one was drawing fouls non-stop in the clutch in that game, tbh.

[ElNono]

At any rate, Tony was likely overrated back in 2008, but right now he's probably rated right. I don't think you can call a player underrated when he's just been selected to the ASG...

[timvp]

It's good to see the CoM can still respond in timely fashion, though. Props.

But it's okay guys, 0-for-13 happened five years ago. Besides, Ginobili was injured ... as evident by getting owned by Sasha Vujacic in the subsequent series.

The correct defense was "Yes, Manu choked but he was hurt. What was Duncan's excuse?", tbh.

[TrainOfThought5]

parker wont be "Appreciated" by regular fans until we go to the finals and win, tbh.

[ElNono]

Who was doing that? No one was drawing fouls non-stop in the clutch in that game, tbh.

0:41 85-80 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 86-80
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 87-80
0:35 87-80 Jannero Pargo misses 17-foot jumper
0:34 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 87-80
0:32 87-80 Peja Stojakovic personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 88-80
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 89-80
0:32 New Orleans full timeout
0:29 89-80 Jannero Pargo misses 27-foot three point jumper
0:27 89-80 David West offensive rebound
0:26 89-82 David West makes driving dunk
0:25 89-82 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:25 89-82 Morris Peterson enters the game for Chris Paul
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 90-82
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 91-82

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280519003&period=4

[DAF86]

BTW, I agree: Tony is highly underated.

[TrainOfThought5]

At any rate, Tony was likely overrated back in 2008, but right now he's probably rated right. I don't think you can call a player underrated when he's just been selected to the ASG...

because in all honesty hes a top 3 PG.

but he doesnt get that recognition. a lot of people think he isnt even top 5.

[ElNono]

because in all honesty hes a top 3 PG.

but he doesnt get that recognition. a lot of people think he isnt even top 5.

Coaches do

[timvp]

0:41 85-80 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 86-80
0:41 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 87-80
0:35 87-80 Jannero Pargo misses 17-foot jumper
0:34 Fabricio Oberto defensive rebound 87-80
0:32 87-80 Peja Stojakovic personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 88-80
0:32 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 89-80
0:32 New Orleans full timeout
0:29 89-80 Jannero Pargo misses 27-foot three point jumper
0:27 89-80 David West offensive rebound
0:26 89-82 David West makes driving dunk
0:25 89-82 Chris Paul personal foul (Manu Ginobili draws the foul)
0:25 89-82 Morris Peterson enters the game for Chris Paul
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2 90-82
0:25 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 2 of 2 91-82

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=280519003&period=4

Do you know what an intentional foul is, IMO?

[ElNono]

Do you know what an intentional foul is, IMO?

did he draw the fouls? Why the boxscore doesn't read Tony Parker draws the foul?

[DAF86]

timvp where "26pts with 5rbds and 5assts in a winning effort is considered choking" and "being the fastest guy on the league is considered not being an athletic guy" happens.

BTW congrats on making this a Manu vs Tony thread, I missed these. :lol

[freetiago]

Ginobili cant get past soft traps anymore and loses his dribble then turns it over or throws a bad wrap around/skip pass 90% of the time now
tony has been money in the 4th for the past 2 seasons
last year i believe he was the second highest scorer in "clutch" time after kevin durant

[Texas_Ranger]

In the NO series Manu was the best Spurs player. The series after the NO was Manu choking.

[ElNono]

Sasha was good, tbh... Lakers haven't won shit since he left... :lol

[timvp]

did he draw the fouls? Why the boxscore doesn't read Tony Parker draws the foul?Props on drawing intentional fouls. Quite a skill, tnbh.


timvp where "26pts with 5rbds and 5assts in a winning effort is considered choking" and "being the fastest guy on the league is considered not being an athletic guy" happens. DAF86 where "0-for-13 isn't choking because he was able to draw intentional fouls" and "being able to jump isn't factored when judging an NBA player's athleticism" happens.


BTW congrats on making this a Manu vs Tony thread, I missed these. :lol:meeting:

[ElNono]

Props on drawing intentional fouls. Quite a skill, tnbh.

I'm sure NO would've rather fouled somebody else... not 6-6 clutch Manu... but c'est la vie

[TMTTRIO]

I guess even if Manu retires at the end of the season we won't get rid of this Tony vs. Manu. Don't worry Tony will always be known as the better player. 5 AS appearances and 1 Finals MVP on his resume compared to Manu's wimpy 2 AS appearances.

[siraulo23]

tbh, if tony continues to play like he has the the past 4 games or so, im not sure there's a better point guard right now...

[aal04]

Players get severely underrated if they are either foreign or white. Dirk (one of the best pf of all time), DLee, Parker, Manu, etc

[TDMVPDPOY]

his way overrated and living on some form of reputation the spurs team have built that is still coat riding whatever is left of duncan, anchoring this team

u clowns can say parker is carrying the load for the spurs, watta load of bullshit...yes any contribution from him or others help, but this team only goes as far duncan will take them

if you look at RS stats and PLAYOFF stats, parkers playoff stats doesnt increase that much from the RS, while duncans stats increase by more than +10% in the playoffs....call it coasting from duncan or whatever you want, but if he was a selfish bastard he can post those type of playoff numbers in the regular season, but what does that benefit him besides padding his accumulative stats....

[TDMVPDPOY]

tbh, if tony continues to play like he has the the past 4 games or so, im not sure there's a better point guard right now...

misleading info man

every time when 1 of the big 3 are not playing, expect production from either 2 increase, and games to be in the high +100 pts just to win a game, when the big 3 plays together the other team pts return to the opponents avg spurs hold them to....

look at the games when 1 of them isnt playing...high scoring and OT sometimes

[Hoops Czar]

Parker is so underrated it's silly.His performance last night was frightening in its ferocity.But the only way he overcomes the lack of recognition is if he leads the way to a series win over OKC or Miami (rather than start out hot and fade as the series plays out).Parker plays for a small market team and they generally don't get the hype and publicity that large market teams receive unless your playing for OKC ( the new darlings of the NBA), but that doesn't mean Parker's being slighted. If Parker so underrated, why is he an all-star and why is picked by many to be a top 5 pg in the league? If Parker is so underrated, maybe you should start naming names. Just because every NBA segment doesn't begin and end with the words 'Tony Parker' doesn't mean he's underrated.

[TDMVPDPOY]

top5 pgs dont need backup pg to bail them out....

[racm]

TP is top 5 in WS48. Tiago and Tim are 6th and 7th.

I'm also expecting a Player of the Week nod for him.

[therealtruth]

Manu's ability to draw fouls and finish at the free throw line has helped the Spurs close out a lot of playoff games and series.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Manu's ability to draw fouls and finish at the free throw line has helped the Spurs close out a lot of playoff games and series.

i dont usually hate on ginoboli, but i need a new target

playing in the summer, gettin injured in the regular season, injured end of the rs heading into the playoffs with ur 3rd best player not at his best....dont forget the stupid turnovers flashy passes....

his mistake in 06 is just as bad as parkers choke job every time teams continue to use the same plan against him shutting down the lanes and puttin a big wing defender on him....

[timvp]

TDMVPDPOY going HAM on everyone is pretty funny now that he raised his effort level from 1 to 7, IMO :lol

[TDMVPDPOY]

if u clowns wanna discuss parkers rookie/sopho years, we can get into it...i got alot of stuff to say for those years heading into 02/03 season...

C.o.P come at me bro

[Strategic]

i dont usually hate on ginoboli, but i need a new target

playing in the summer, gettin injured in the regular season, injured end of the rs heading into the playoffs with ur 3rd best player not at his best....dont forget the stupid turnovers flashy passes....

his mistake in 06 is just as bad as parkers choke job every time teams continue to use the same plan against him shutting down the lanes and puttin a big wing defender on him....


Nice memory. I've been:fishingsince then.

[TD 21]

Yes. Being a part of an 0-for-13 stretch in the final 18 minutes is a choke. It's pretty much the textbook definition. Game 7, on the road, needing baskets .... 0-for-13. Choke.

Do you think 6-for-19 with no made field goals in the final 18 minutes is a choke? Yes or no, simple answer.

And, yes, it's possible to be fast but not a good athlete in terms of jumping and being overpowering in the air by NBA standards. Not exactly a hard concept to follow, IMO.

How dare you say Duncan and Ginobili choked in a big game. That automatically means you're calling them chokers in general and the entire Spurs organization that, too . . . bandwagon to a T.

Parker and Splitter are the two most underrated players in the league. Parker in the sense that he's an established star and future Hall-of-Famer, who's constantly overlooked for not just the usual suspects, but any flavor of the month as well. He's unquestionably one of the ten best players in the league at this point. And Splitter in the sense that the masses still think he's just some random player and don't realize that his advanced stats indicate he has a star level impact.

[FYM]

Spurs fans are funny. They have a damn good PG for a peanut bag that actually listen his coach, doesn't care about his stats, carry the load and half of them still don't like him. In the actual NBA you should all suck his balls all day long.

this tdmvpdpoty dude is quite comical tbh

[TDMVPDPOY]

How dare you say Duncan and Ginobili choked in a big game. That automatically means you're calling them chokers in general and the entire Spurs organization that, too . . . bandwagon to a T.

Parker and Splitter are the two most underrated players in the league. Parker in the sense that he's an established star and future Hall-of-Famer, who's constantly overlooked for not just the usual suspects, but any flavor of the month as well. He's unquestionably one of the ten best players in the league at this point. And Splitter in the sense that the masses still think he's just some random player and don't realize that his advanced stats indicate he has a star level impact.

someone needs to tell me why this clown parker is underrated....

if anyone is underrated on this damn team, its that tosb scrub TIM DUNCAN playin in a small market team who won 4 rings.....lol rating coat riders

[roycrikside]

I'm not going to get drawn into the Manu vs. Tony thing, LJ, but I will say that I think Game 7 at NO in 2008 is a poor choice IMO if you want to debate which one is more clutch, for a variety of reasons.

[ajballer4]

The whole team is underrated. That's why we are the San Antonio Spurs. Its the same ho-hum every year so nobody gets extra recognition.

Tony Parker is vastly underrated. The only PG I'd take over him right now is CP3

[TDMVPDPOY]

I'm not going to get drawn into the Manu vs. Tony thing, LJ, but I will say that I think Game 7 at NO in 2008 is a poor choice IMO if you want to debate which one is more clutch, for a variety of reasons.

parker hasnt beatened any PG worth mentioning without the assistance of some form of injury to that player or a bailout from backup pg....yet the clowns here would give him the credit of the win team/player...

[BatManu20]

Parker is very underrated. We already know this. But who cares? The less attention we get, the better the Spurs play.

[BatManu20]

Spurs fans are funny. They have a damn good PG for a peanut bag that actually listen his coach, doesn't care about his stats, carry the load and half of them still don't like him. In the actual NBA you should all suck his balls all day long.

this tdmvpdpoty dude is quite comical tbh

I apologize on behalf of many of the posters on these boards. Many of our "fans" have become so spoiled with this organization's success over the years that many of them are ready to kick our own players (even our best ones) to the curb the minute they do something wrong or don't produce. It's laughable really.

[TDMVPDPOY]

is parker the spurs version of david beckham final years at man.utd?
married celeb
all media attention on couple besides the team
gets caught for cheating
gets a boot/glass to the face

raise the bar fellas, raise the bar

anyway if he didnt have any of that off the court bullshit in 2011, he would probably approach first round against the grizz differenly, whether that issue played on his mind or not....

ps. does his ex still appear at games? i thought she was a dedicated spursfan?

[ego]

Spurs fans are funny. They have a damn good PG for a peanut bag that actually listen his coach, doesn't care about his stats, carry the load and half of them still don't like him. In the actual NBA you should all suck his balls all day long.

this tdmvpdpoty dude is quite comical tbh

I agree with you and it would be very interesting to read more often on this forum someone like you

[DPG21920]

Parker is a boss and nothing else needs to be said.

[timvp]

I'm not going to get drawn into the Manu vs. Tony thing, LJ, but I will say that I think Game 7 at NO in 2008 is a poor choice IMO if you want to debate which one is more clutch, for a variety of reasons.

Originally, I just was pointing out how I wanted a third match between CP3 and TP, while pointing to the facts that TP outplayed CP3 last year and while CP3 beasted statistically back in 2008, he had the Chandler pressure release going for him and TP was the star who played the best down the stretch of Game 7.

Obviously if we're talking lifetime, Ginobili has a looooong history of being one of the ultimate winners and clutch players the game has ever seen. Duncan, too, has quite the resume.

But in that singular game, CP3 got scared and started deferring to Jannero Pargo while Ginobili and Duncan choked their way to 0-for-13 down the stretch.

[TDMVPDPOY]

timvp

u giving parker credit for beating cp3 last season when legitimately we dont know if his really healthy or injured in the playoffs...?

the word clutch u describe manu....06 final play he was fkn really clutch...he saved duncans perfect finals record from appearing that season to be refs bitch

[lefty]

He is not underrated

He is not overrated


He is a great regular season performer who destroys his pampers with diarrhea in the playoffs

[roycrikside]

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls but here...

I'm the biggest Manu fan on the planet but even I can admit that foul in G7 against Dallas in '06 might have cost them a ring. The '06 Heat were the most flawed, fluky winner the past 30 years. That team sucked. Spurs would've tore through 'em. Only reason Pistons even lost to them is because they were SOLELY driven to get revenge on the Spurs for '05 and once Spurs were eliminated Detroit 's heart wasn't in it.

The season the Spurs were bailed out was '04, the .4 year. '04 Pistons wrote freakin loaded. Nobody was beating them that year.

[TDMVPDPOY]

u guys know with ginoboli and parker, does each one suck on purpose too allow the other the lime light to shine, to get exposed and return back down to earth?

cmon churches, u know it, ur just afraid to admit it

[spurraider21]

lol Jalen Rose said the 4 best point guards in the NBA so far this season have been Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving, and Rajon Rondo. didn't even mention tony parker when talkin about it

[ajballer4]

lol Jalen Rose said the 4 best point guards in the NBA so far this season have been Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving, and Rajon Rondo. didn't even mention tony parker when talkin about it

course not. hes the biggest hater there is

[Hoops Czar]

course not. hes the biggest hater there isOh gee, and all this time, I thought it was Jon Barry. I guess everybody hates the Spurs unless they have something good to say.

[lefty]

lol Jalen Rose said the 4 best point guards in the NBA so far this season have been Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving, and Rajon Rondo. didn't even mention tony parker when talkin about it
I have to agree with him

[Brazil]

I have to agree with him

No shit ?

[lefty]

No shit ?

no shit my friend


no shit

[Brazil]

no shit my friend


no shit

Wow I would have never imagined ... Chocked tbh

[SpursIndonesia]

LOL, TDMVPDPOY is taunting peeps in this thread. :lol


lol Jalen Rose said the 4 best point guards in the NBA so far this season have been Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Kyrie Irving, and Rajon Rondo. didn't even mention tony parker when talkin about it

LOL, a statwhore like Rondo, a cancer in a team who should be more than decent in the leastern conference, yet hovering under 0.500, and a defensive sieve, non factor like Irving (who will give back whatever shit he produces offensively on defense). :lol

[DAF86]

Everybody is still stuck in the '03 and '05 finals, imho.

[Russ]

It's not so much that Parker is underrated (he is).

What you're really getting at is the reason that he's underrated by all the me-too NBA media. (The ones who say how much they love the Spurs "team play" and it's great that they play so well when they don't have any good players, but who would want to watch them.)

Although you haven't quite put your finger on it yet, that's what's pissing you off. (Trust me.)

These numbskulls think that the reason TP doesn't rate with the top PGs is that he's too old and he's just not athletic or quick. They don't know how old he really is compared the PGs they consider young, they just know he's too old. They can feel it.

Like, you know, he's on the Spurs, right . . .

[therealtruth]

The problem is he doesn't play as many minutes as the other top PG's. If he played as many minutes his numbers would be more gaudy.

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

TP>CP3 tbh...

[AFBlue]

The "why" is pretty simple...he's a ho-hum passer and he doesn't get above the rim. That means he's not making many highlight reels, which is how the casual fans subjectively rate players they're unfamiliar with. Rondo and Westbrick, for all their cancerous attitude and inability to play effective basketball, are human highlight reels so they get the attention Tony deserves.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol at the mad fans in here....

i assume u clowns want all the haters to say shit you wanna hear, but not shit i want you to hear? this aint politics

[therealtruth]

I know I shouldn't feed the trolls but here...

I'm the biggest Manu fan on the planet but even I can admit that foul in G7 against Dallas in '06 might have cost them a ring. The '06 Heat were the most flawed, fluky winner the past 30 years. That team sucked. Spurs would've tore through 'em. Only reason Pistons even lost to them is because they were SOLELY driven to get revenge on the Spurs for '05 and once Spurs were eliminated Detroit 's heart wasn't in it.

The season the Spurs were bailed out was '04, the .4 year. '04 Pistons wrote freakin loaded. Nobody was beating them that year.

People remember the foul but they forget we would have never made it to game 7 or gotten the lead in game 7 without Ginobili. The bigger issue in that series is the Spurs tried to adjust to the Mavs game instead of imposing their will.

[TDMVPDPOY]

saying this clown is underrated...means ur also saying david copperfield is an underrated magician....both are known to make a good living at disappearing acts...

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

saying this clown is underrated...means ur also saying david copperfield is an underrated magician....both are known to make a good living at disappearing acts...


not funny...

[Dr. Robert Lee]

not funny...
n00b

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

n00b


clown

[Clipper Nation]

TP>CP3 tbh...

http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/imported_images/2.bp.blogspot.com/kanye-west-laugh.gif

[Dr. Robert Lee]

clown
Wow, you're original, cannot be replaced!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Robert Lee]

TP>CP3 tbh...
lolwut.

How about not?

Tony is probably #2 in the West, but he sure as hell isn't better than CP3, tbh. You're just trolling now. Or know nothing WHATSOEVER about basketball. Take your pick.

[TDMVPDPOY]

most overrated fck who benefit playing alongside the GOAT of his generation

didnt do shit against a weak era of PGs when he was drafted, got exposed by veterans on their last pay check

getting exposed by 2nd and 3rd tier selfish PGs during those years

required backups to bailout his ass

truth.......hurts