Celtics may go into tank mode - any way the Spurs can get in on it?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

With Rondo out of the season, Celtics will probably look more into dealing KG and Pierce in an attempt to rebuild. I know the Spurs don't have that many assets, but perhaps they'd be interested in the Spurs expirings or the Spurs may at least find a way to get into a 3 way deal?

[jjktkk]

Bonner and Blair for KG. But KG has to agree to wear a muzzle at all times.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

I think Pierce will retire a Celtic.

[playblair]

cojo = better avery bradley ............

[DesignatedT]

KG just got a 3 years 36 million $ deal.

[Russ]

Doc might play. He and Pop have mended fences since the Duncan fiasco and Doc kinda likes the Spurs and postively hates Miami and the Lakers.

[Whisky Dog]

What do they have that we want? KG doesn't fit the system, Pierce requires too many touches when we have guys who need them now, etc.

A stalwart defensive big who isn't on a big contract would be about the only thing we lack. Not sure that guy is out there.

[MR-Clutch]

What Duncan fiasco?

[Richie]

What do they have that we want? KG doesn't fit the system, Pierce requires too many touches when we have guys who need them now, etc.

A stalwart defensive big who isn't on a big contract would be about the only thing we lack. Not sure that guy is out there.

KG would be excellent on the Spurs. We would find a way to make it work. No reason he couldn't play with any of our bigs. If anything, KG is the stalwart defensive big who isn't on a big contract. $12m for KG is cheap.

If the Spurs wanted KG, we'd have to take a contract the Celtics want to dump. I imagine if they are blowing it up, they will want to be rid of Terrys contract and he will be part of any deal.

They'll also be looking to get back some young talent, which I don't think the Spurs have enough of. Danny Green, Joseph and Mills are the only young, non expiring assets we have, if the Celtics are interested they would all be available. Doubt it would be enough though, we don't even have any desirable picks to trade.

[LakerHater]

They'll probably ask for Leonard!

[TheSkeptic]

cojo = better avery bradley ............

Hahaha!

But seriously, Avery Bradley would look good in the silver and black. Not sure they have anyone else the Spurs could use.

And people need to stop suggesting KG. Duncan doesn't like him.

[Richie]

Hahaha!

But seriously, Avery Bradley would look good in the silver and black. Not sure they have anyone else the Spurs could use.

And people need to stop suggesting KG. Duncan doesn't like him.

Duncan would get over it.

Pretty sure the whole 'mothers day' comment is fiction. Bruce Bowen said on his podcast after the Garnett/Melo incident that he had never heard of KG trash talking wives or mothers on the court.

[TheSkeptic]

Duncan would get over it.

Pretty sure the whole 'mothers day' comment is fiction. Bruce Bowen said on his podcast after the Garnett/Melo incident that he had never heard of KG trash talking wives or mothers on the court.

Mother's day being fiction or not, Duncan doesn't like him.

[td4mvp2k]

KG :lol

[Whisky Dog]

KG would be excellent on the Spurs. We would find a way to make it work. No reason he couldn't play with any of our bigs. If anything, KG is the stalwart defensive big who isn't on a big contract. $12m for KG is cheap.

If the Spurs wanted KG, we'd have to take a contract the Celtics want to dump. I imagine if they are blowing it up, they will want to be rid of Terrys contract and he will be part of any deal.

They'll also be looking to get back some young talent, which I don't think the Spurs have enough of. Danny Green, Joseph and Mills are the only young, non expiring assets we have, if the Celtics are interested they would all be available. Doubt it would be enough though, we don't even have any desirable picks to trade.

KG won't work playing this system next to Duncan with Pop. When's the last time the Spurs played a loud mouth braggart? Just doesn't happen, and won't happen.

[Mugen]

KG won't work playing this system next to Duncan with Pop. When's the last time the Spurs played a loud mouth braggart? Just doesn't happen, and won't happen.

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Stephen-Jackson-Ibaka.jpg

[timtonymanu]

Agree with Mugen.

KG would make the Spurs even better than they are. Unfortunately he's just too expensive. The Spurs could dump Jackson, but I think the Celtics want youth in return so they may ask for Leonard as well.

[Whisky Dog]

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Stephen-Jackson-Ibaka.jpg

Jax isn't a braggart, he's just a thug.

KG is a pussy who does nothing but run his mouth.

Different guys tbh

[szkorhetz]

What Duncan fiasco?
Doc wanted Duncan to the Magic in '01, what nearly ended the Spurs dynasty.

[td4mvp21]

KG on the Spurs would be sick.

[td4mvp2k]

KG on the Spurs would be sick.Ya to Pop

[Richie]

KG won't work playing this system next to Duncan with Pop. When's the last time the Spurs played a loud mouth braggart? Just doesn't happen, and won't happen.

If you're talking personalities you may have a point, but KGs game would be excellent next to Duncan or Splitter.

[freetiago]

Would trade Splitter/filler for KG tbh
maybe get one of their guards like courtney lee also
they definitely wont trade the cornerstone Avery Bradley though

[Richie]

Agree with Mugen.

KG would make the Spurs even better than they are. Unfortunately he's just too expensive. The Spurs could dump Jackson, but I think the Celtics want youth in return so they may ask for Leonard as well.

Agreed, we just dont have the youth. However, how much young talent would a team be willing to give up for Garnett? He'll only be useful on a 'win now' team and not an up and comer. Green, Mills, Joseph and De Colo are pretty much all we have.

Most scary, is that the Thunder have PJ3, Ross, Torontos, Houston and their own pick available. Hope that doesn't happen.

[spurs1990]

Garnett is a complete piece of shit.

If you're a Spurs fan and would be okay with them bringing him in, you need to research his history with Tim Duncan.

He's the only player that would cause be to stop following the Spurs.

[ontheraise]

lol how can you wish to have this c*nt in our roster? KG won't fit in spurs philosoph. I hated his fuc*in ass and big mouth for years.

[Mugen]

Jax isn't a braggart, he's just a thug.

KG is a pussy who does nothing but run his mouth.

Different guys tbh

:lol I hate KG as much as the next Spurfan but saying he does nothing but run his mouth isn't very accurate. Also :lol @ Jax not being a "braggart." Jack talks as much shit as anybody in the league and is why many Spur fans, including me, love him tbh.

That said, KG to the Spurs would never happen simply for the fact that Tim hates him. But him on the Spurs would make them the best defensive team in the league and right up there with MIA as favorites for the championship.

[ontheraise]

A true spurs fan can't like KG

[DrunkTXLabrat]

jeff green for blair

[mosdef17]

http://i50.tinypic.com/bygcx.png

May as well get the ball rolling... Haha

[Stump]

It's worth noting that Garnett had a no-trade clause in his old contract and likely still has one now. If that's the case, it could make a trade situation very interesting for the Celtics. Garnett would probably only want to play for a contender, and the Celtics would refuse to send him to an Eastern rival. That would leave only a few eligible teams left, including us.

[swaggerjackson]

I don't see it happening, but if KG and Tim signed off on it I would love to deal Jax and some combo of Blair, picks, or one of 5 backup point guards for KG. The chances are next to nothing, but such a move would put us in a position to be a contender for the remainder of Tim's contract.

Tim/Splitter
KG/Diaw
Kawhi
Green/Ginobili
Parker

That would be an incredible core to keep together. But again it is just a pipe dream.

[letmk]

If we can get KG without giving up top 5 players (Kawhi, Splitter), we would be the favorite to win it all. But it's just too good to be true.

[td4mvp2k]

Spurs dont want KG but Green or Bradley yes

[Seventyniner]

Since the Celtics will probably need another PG for the rest of the season, they might trade a 2nd-rounder for Mills or Joseph if the Spurs end up needing the roster spot.

That's about the extent of the Spurs dealing with the Celtics that I can see.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs dont want KG but Green or Bradley yes

:lol No one wants Green on that contract.

[TrainOfThought5]

we should look into getting Bradley.

[td4mvp2k]

No one wants Green on that contract.

Spurs do :lol

[Stump]

we should look into getting Bradley. I think the Celtics will be looking to trade the old guys like Garnett and Pierce rather than the young guys.

[DapDaGenius]

:lol I hate KG as much as the next Spurfan but saying he does nothing but run his mouth isn't very accurate. Also :lol @ Jax not being a "braggart." Jack talks as much shit as anybody in the league and is why many Spur fans, including me, love him tbh.

That said, KG to the Spurs would never happen simply for the fact that Tim hates him. But him on the Spurs would make them the best defensive team in the league and right up there with MIA as favorites for the championship.

KG + Spurs = "right up there with MIA as favorites"? Nawh... that's not going to happen just b/c of KG. The only way SA would be up there as favorites is if Lebron was on the Spurs. :lol

[DapDaGenius]

I thought KG was retiring

[TDMVPDPOY]

KG back to the wolves for klove...i can see it happening

then he have no excuse with that loaded wolves roster to deliver out of the first round

[RD2191]

no rose, no rondo, no granger, damn. could things get any easier for the heat? smh

[KaiRMD1]

KG & Duncan on the same team? I don't know

[racm]

no rose, no rondo, no granger, damn. could things get any easier for the heat? smh

Unless OKC wins the West the Western champion will demolish them.

[Frankie23]

Another major trade could be:
S-Jack, Bonner, Blair and Green + 1st rd+ money to cut bonner for KG+Jason Terry

[exstatic]

Spurs do :lol

Uh, no. They're huge into advanced stats and would have no interest in a player averaging $9M who's PER is 12.

[td4mvp2k]

Uh, no. They're huge into advanced stats and would have no interest in a player averaging $9M who's PER is 12.ugh, ya. advance stats have him on the team and more with Pop at $9m.

[cheguevara]

LOL spurs would never bring KG

Spurs have best team chemistry in the league right now.

[dunkman]

KG won't ever be a Spur while Duncan is on the team. Wouldn't mind adding Pierce, though. He's a fantastic player.

[therealtruth]

no rose, no rondo, no granger, damn. could things get any easier for the heat? smh

Rose and Granger are coming back. Bynum is coming back and could punish the Heat inside.

[superbigtime]

I f'n HATE kevin garnett. Chest thumping moron.

[Ice009]

Spurs do :lol

what in the fuck are you on about?

[td4mvp2k]

what in the fuck are you on about?:lol

[BatManu20]

KG isn't coming to the Spurs, period.

/thread

[TDMVPDPOY]

how about pierce? 4m of the 15m is only garaunteed next season

[Richie]

It's worth noting that Garnett had a no-trade clause in his old contract and likely still has one now. If that's the case, it could make a trade situation very interesting for the Celtics. Garnett would probably only want to play for a contender, and the Celtics would refuse to send him to an Eastern rival. That would leave only a few eligible teams left, including us.

Don't see why the Celtics wouldn't trade him to the East, the whole point is the Celts will be rebuilding for a while.

Seems like he does have a no trade clause though. Puts the Celtics in a tough position. He probably wouldn't accept being traded here.

[Obstructed_View]

I'd take Pierce in a heartbeat, which is impossible, but fuck KG.

[look_at_g_shred]

Pierce off the bench

[TDMVPDPOY]

KG should goto the knicks for amare....

we dont need to make it any easier for the CHEAT to coast to the finals

[Paranoid Pop]

Actually they may have a better offensive flow without Rondo, they wanted to trade him in the past, if they do well without him they'll trade him for sure and complete the rebuilding via free agency when KG and Pierce retire and their contracts come off the books.

[TDMVPDPOY]

no one is going to touch rondos contract if its expiring or see what he can do after the injury

[Stump]

Don't see why the Celtics wouldn't trade him to the East, the whole point is the Celts will be rebuilding for a while.

Seems like he does have a no trade clause though. Puts the Celtics in a tough position. He probably wouldn't accept being traded here.
Even if they're going to be rebuilding, it's still tough to send your best player to somebody you've regarded as a rival. The Suns, for example, were pretty disgusted with trading Steve Nash to the Lakers. They finally caved when the Lakers stupidly offered 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders and they just couldn't refuse. The Celtics may have the same attitude toward the Knicks and Heat, or they may not.

Also, I disagree with KG refusing to play in San Antonio. Most Spurs fans don't like him, but the dude wants to win.

[chapnis]

Rather have KG here than Terry.

[Namundy]

I don't think this is a year that the Spurs make a big trade deadline splash. They aren't that type of team and it did not turn out well for them last time (Dick Jefferson).

[ajballer4]

I don't think this is a year that the Spurs make a big trade deadline splash. They aren't that type of team and it did not turn out well for them last time (Dick Jefferson).

That was an offseason trade.

The last deadline deal was Jack last year and it worked out very well. I can see a non highlight trade that puts the good guys over the top

[austin]

KG and Courtney Lee

For

Splitter, Blair and JAX

I'd rather pay KG $12 than lose Splitter, or pay Splitter $60 million.

[austin]

Jalen Rose just STOLE my fake trade!!!!

[austin]

I love it.

Courtney Lee led the league last year in corner 3 and can guard physical 1s and most 2s.

KG isn't what he was but he's a more effective playoff player than Splitter will ever be. Let's win the damn thing!

[Uriel]

Would you trade Ginobili for Pierce?

[exstatic]

Boston only has 3 players over the league average PER of 15, and that would be KG, Pierce, and the injured Rondo. Slim pickings, at best.

[exstatic]

Would you trade Ginobili for Pierce?

No, and for one reason: Manu likely gets cheap next year. Pierce keeps costing you for another season, and that may even cost you Splitter.

[racm]

KG and Courtney Lee

For

Splitter, Blair and JAX

I'd rather pay KG $12 than lose Splitter, or pay Splitter $60 million.

Congratulations, you just dropped the Spurs' offensive efficiency down.

[austin]

Yea because our offense has won championships.

How many people moan and groan about how the offense is fools gold? Everybody when we get bounced before the Finals. 60 wins ain't squat in this town. We're playing to raise banners. TD and Manu don't have the tread left and Jax and Blair are spare parts leaving anyway. And KG>Splitter.

Apologies that I want to win.

[T Park]

The only player worth trading for right now would be Jared Dudley, outside of that, no one will trade anyone of significance to the Spurs for the players theyre willing to trade.

[spurfan 21]

i dont know how to embed but bill simmons tweets that its Splitter and JAX for KG! stay tuned... i hope this is not the case.. i really think Splitter is too valuable too lose

[austin]

Well, I beat Simmons to it. My speculation was first.

While I agree that Splitter has great numbers. He isn't KG in the playoffs. I give us a 50% chance of making the finals with Splitter and a 75% chance with KG. And we get KG for another year, an all star center at $12. Why would we want to pay Splitter the same money. Timmie and Manu are not, despite what we always think during the rosy regular reason, going to hold up forever. And we're probably not good enough to win right now.

[look_at_g_shred]

i dont know how to embed but bill simmons tweets that its Splitter and JAX for KG! stay tuned... i hope this is not the case.. i really think Splitter is too valuable too lose

Are you serious?

[exstatic]

i dont know how to embed but bill simmons tweets that its Splitter and JAX for KG! stay tuned... i hope this is not the case.. i really think Splitter is too valuable too lose

Doesn't work in the trade machine, but if you throw in Wilcox and lower their tax bill, it does. If they think Splitter will break the bank, they may do this. Splitter isn't a player to build around for the future, so it's about how to maximize this year and the next two.

Still hate Garnett. This would be hard to swallow.

[capek]

i dont know how to embed but bill simmons tweets that its Splitter and JAX for KG! stay tuned... i hope this is not the case.. i really think Splitter is too valuable too lose

You're full of shit. Ain't nothing on his twitter feed. :td

[look_at_g_shred]

You're full of shit. Ain't nothing on his twitter feed. :td

No joke I checked too!

[austin]

It's jalen rose talking with Simmons about trade SPECULATION



w/@ BillSimmons pondering potential Celtic trades. Spurs Splitter/Jackson for KG? Pierce to Indy for Granger? Stay tuned


http://twitter.com/jalenrose


(http://twitter.com/jalenrose)

[T Park]

i dont know how to embed but bill simmons tweets that its Splitter and JAX for KG! stay tuned... i hope this is not the case.. i really think Splitter is too valuable too lose

Lies.

Hasnt tweeted in 4 hours.

[exstatic]

Lies.

Hasnt tweeted in 4 hours.

Look up one post.

[capek]

It's jalen rose talking with Simmons about trade SPECULATION



http://twitter.com/jalenrose


(http://twitter.com/jalenrose)

Ahh, figures. And so who cares. spurfan21, "its" /=/ "potential." You fail at the finer points of language usage.

[jjktkk]

It's jalen rose talking with Simmons about trade SPECULATION



http://twitter.com/jalenrose


(http://twitter.com/jalenrose)

So its Jalen Roses twitter account not Simmons.

[T Park]

Look up one post.

Bill Simmons BSing with clueless Rose? *shivers*

but no way do the Spurs bring in a player that Duncan is on the record about having a large disdain for..

[capek]

Ya, it's just professional moron Jalen Rose with the non-good goods as always:

"w/@BillSimmons pondering potential Celtic trades. Spurs Splitter/Jackson for KG? Pierce to Indy for Granger? Stay tuned"

[diego]

i dont think there is any likelyhood to this happening.
and i understand that people dislike kg's antics- the chest bumping and the trash talking and posturing.
But underneath all that, the fact is that kg has a tremendous work ethic, is committed to winning, and can easily provide the things that we need most- defense and rebounding. he has range on his J and can finish on pick and rolls. he was looking done for a while but has recovered his form, and it feels risky to even consider trading young for old considering how hard its been to rejuvenate. still, I agree with those that this would instantly raise our chances significantly. And, I dont think any bad blood from previous battles would make these guys play worse or dog it on purpose. If anything, it would probably make them play harder, nobody wants to get shown up by their nemesis.
I just dont see it happening.

[T Park]

Wouldn't be shocked if Pierce is traded to either the Clippers or Memphis.

Other than that, not much they can do.

[racm]

KG will only be traded if he doesn't turn the trade down, silly people. He and Kobe/TD/Dirk all have no-trade clauses in their contracts.

[Seventyniner]

For those of you willing to trade for KG, here's the kicker: would you be willing to take Jason Terry if the Celtics insisted on it? Even if the Spurs only had to give up Splitter and spare parts? That would be a lot to stomach for Spurs fans like me who hate both of those players with a passion.

Note: it'd be more likely to be Courtney Lee, who has an identical contract as Terry except one extra year. Also, Terry is 35 while Lee is 27. I had no idea Lee was that young; it seems like he's been in the league forever.

[racm]

For those of you willing to trade for KG, here's the kicker: would you be willing to take Jason Terry if the Celtics insisted on it? Even if the Spurs only had to give up Splitter and spare parts? That would be a lot to stomach for Spurs fans like me who hate both of those players with a passion.

Note: it'd be more likely to be Courtney Lee, who has an identical contract as Terry except one extra year. Also, Terry is 35 while Lee is 27. I had no idea Lee was that young; it seems like he's been in the league forever.

Lee was in the same draft as Rose, Westbrook, Love, Ibaka, and George Hill. The Celtics are his fourth team in five seasons, though.

[look_at_g_shred]

As long as splitter or Leonard is not involved

[austin]

For those who wouldn't trade KG for Splitter, is your reluctance based more on age, ability, value or homerism?

Obviously Spurs fans viscerally don't like KG. Only Kobe/Shaq were probably more hated over the last ten years.

But would you rather have KG for the next two years or Splitter?

It's pretty clear to me that KG is the better value, the better player and this will be true for this year and next. After that Splitter will be a 30 yr old big. He's unlikely to develop into a franchise big man. Let's put it this way: Do you think the Celtics fans regret trading Jefferson for KG? Big Al will probably be still ringing 18/10 five years after KG is retired. I'm sure Boston doesn't care and Al Jeff is a near-star while Splitter is older and has never had as good a season as Bil Al

Putting the banner up is the objective, second to that is managing costs. Splitter is not going to be so well-thought after the Mavs throw a max contract at him and we're stuck with either paying him or losing him in a sign and trade for a late first.

But if you think we win the ring with Splitter/Jackson and we would be less competitive with KG/Lee, then I understand why people would oppose it. Or if TD shoots it down, or KG himself. Fine. I just want to know if the objection is because Splitter/Jackson make us better?

[cd021]

Jackson, Blair, & Neal, future conditional 1st rounder for Pierce?

Bonner, & Blair for Courtney Lee.

[look_at_g_shred]

Jackson, Blair, & Neal, future conditional 1st rounder for Pierce?

Bonner, & Blair for Courtney Lee.

Love the second transaction tbh

[TheSkeptic]

Bill Simmons BSing with clueless Rose? *shivers*

but no way do the Spurs bring in a player that Duncan is on the record about having a large disdain for...

Because apparently it needed to be said again.

I'm not sure why Spurs fans keep pursuing this angle.

[exstatic]

Bill Simmons BSing with clueless Rose? *shivers*

but no way do the Spurs bring in a player that Duncan is on the record about having a large disdain for..
They certainly would never do it without his buy in.

[look_at_g_shred]

For those who wouldn't trade KG for Splitter, is your reluctance based more on age, ability, value or homerism?

Obviously Spurs fans viscerally don't like KG. Only Kobe/Shaq were probably more hated over the last ten years.

But would you rather have KG for the next two years or Splitter?

It's pretty clear to me that KG is the better value, the better player and this will be true for this year and next. After that Splitter will be a 30 yr old big. He's unlikely to develop into a franchise big man. Let's put it this way: Do you think the Celtics fans regret trading Jefferson for KG? Big Al will probably be still ringing 18/10 five years after KG is retired. I'm sure Boston doesn't care and Al Jeff is a near-star while Splitter is older and has never had as good a season as Bil Al

Putting the banner up is the objective, second to that is managing costs. Splitter is not going to be so well-thought after the Mavs throw a max contract at him and we're stuck with either paying him or losing him in a sign and trade for a late first.

But if you think we win the ring with Splitter/Jackson and we would be less competitive with KG/Lee, then I understand why people would oppose it. Or if TD shoots it down, or KG himself. Fine. I just want to know if the objection is because Splitter/Jackson make us better?

No the combination of Duncan/Splitter/KG makes us better.

[austin]

For those of you willing to trade for KG, here's the kicker: would you be willing to take Jason Terry if the Celtics insisted on it? Even if the Spurs only had to give up Splitter and spare parts? That would be a lot to stomach for Spurs fans like me who hate both of those players with a passion.

We wouldn't hate them if we traded for them.

Who liked Richard Jefferson on the Nets? Who likes him now on GS? Who liked Turkoglu on Orlando?

I'd get over my hate pretty quick. I'd hope it'd be Lee though. As a wing defender he matches up favorably to big points like Westbrook and small guards like Wade. Did you guys see Lee scraping on Wade on the day game today? He'd be perfect. Plus he is a career ace from the corner. He's not great but not a throw in either. His salary sort of sucks though but KG would come at a discount. I think KG is underpaid. He makes Nene money. JaVale money.

[Sean Cagney]

Jax isn't a braggart, he's just a thug.

KG is a pussy who does nothing but run his mouth.

Different guys tbhThis is true.

[JonNOKC]

The only player worth trading for right now would be Jared Dudley, outside of that, no one will trade anyone of significance to the Spurs for the players theyre willing to trade.

100% agree - Dudley is perfect fit on Spurs - can defend and is very efficeint offensive player - has a reasonable contract - I would'nt even mind the Spurs overpaying a little to get him - just not sure we have the right peices to offer Suns as they would most likely be looking for picks/young talent - and really don't have any bad contracts

[capek]

They certainly would never do it without his buy in.

If Timmy saw this move as putting the Spurs over the top, I find it very hard to believe that he'd veto it just because he might not like the guy.

It's just another instance of dumbfan. Spurs fans extol the virtues of Duncan's professionalism morning noon and night, but when a situation arises where you'd think they'd take that into account, they completely forget and their takes make Duncan sound like a moody teenage girl. :td

That being said, I'm apathetic on the idea of trading for Garnet, mainly because it won't happen, so why waste brain power on it.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i'd be happy if the spurs pay splitter big bucks, i think he's worth it. if they have to, i could understand them pullin a trade like the thunder did with harden. but not for kg. he's too old, and he's also an asshole. i'd like to see them target drummond, nicholson, or sullinger in harden/splitter scenario. maybe zeller, robinson, or henson if we could get a 1st and turn blair into something to make the depth chart that much better.

[T Park]

They certainly would never do it without his buy in.

no question.

That said, Duncan from multiple interviews just doesn't like him at all, and its not him sounding like an emo teenager. Deeper than that it seems.

[capek]

no question.

That said, Duncan from multiple interviews just doesn't like him at all, and its not him sounding like an emo teenager. Deeper than that it seems.

I have no doubt the hate is real, and justified, but the question is if Duncan would let that take precedence over what could push this team over the top towards a Championship.

Though the question remains if swapping Splitter for KG would actually do that. With how well Splitter is playing now that he's starting, I'm not so sure about that.

[Juggity]

Aside from dislike, Duncan clearly respects KG and what he is capable of bringing. That is to say: strong defense and a very reliable midrange jumper. KG can still move pretty quickly, even at his old age.

If it is possible to get KG in a deal without giving up too much else, I don't see how you could pass up that deal. Duncan at C, KG at PF, even in their mid-30s, that is a deadly combo on both ends of the floor. If the Spurs are in win-now mode (they should be), and this deal is even remotely possible (probably not), go for it.

[SpursIndonesia]

IF TD gives his blessing and KG's just as enthusiast, i'd certainly give up Splitter (and Neal + Blair if Celtics want more talents as compensation) for him (especially with Baynes around as a candidate for decent 4th rotation big). But only for KG and no extra sweetener (picks).

TD/Baynes
KG/Diaw
Kawhi/D-leaguer or waived player
Green/Manu
TP/DeColo

I think that's a solid rotation as a contending team for the next few years (assuming Manu's resigned for 2 years) until TD & KG call it a day and we start (truly) rebuilding.

[RD2191]

old as dust kg? LMAO , is this a serious thread?

[TheSkeptic]

I guess my other gripe about a hypothetical KG to Spurs for Splitter scenario is that I'm not entirely sold on how it makes the Spurs better from a team perspective.

Garnett's rebounding percentages look good but he's pretty much the only big on an undersized roster. Also, since KL's return this starting line-up has been the best defensive line-up in the league. It's dominating as is. And so far I'm just not convinced that a straight up swap would do much to improve it since KG has seriously been slowing down.

Now adding KG to the frontline so that you have something like TD/KG/TS/BD would be an upgrade. Otherwise it actually seems like a lateral move because of the issues with playing 2 older C's. Offensively it would be better but right now I don't think either KG or TD should be chasing players out on the perimeter.

[DJ Mbenga]

this is what it would take. i dont think the spurs would like it

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arn7en3

[look_at_g_shred]

this is what it would take. i dont think the spurs would like it

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arn7en3

Haha fuck no!

[TheSkeptic]

this is what it would take. i dont think the spurs would like it

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arn7en3

I love how this trade makes both teams worse according to the numbers.

[td4mvp21]

I guess my other gripe about a hypothetical KG to Spurs for Splitter scenario is that I'm not entirely sold on how it makes the Spurs better from a team perspective.

Garnett's rebounding percentages look good but he's pretty much the only big on an undersized roster. Also, since KL's return this starting line-up has been the best defensive line-up in the league. It's dominating as is. And so far I'm just not convinced that a straight up swap would do much to improve it since KG has seriously been slowing down.

Now adding KG to the frontline so that you have something like TD/KG/TS/BD would be an upgrade. Otherwise it actually seems like a lateral move because of the issues with playing 2 older C's. Offensively it would be better but right now I don't think either KG or TD should be chasing players out on the perimeter.

Great points, especially about how dominant the starting lineup has been defensively. I'm not sure I want the Spurs to risk that chemistry. Plus, Splitter is so much younger and has a lot more potential. His minutes may be able to increase over the next two seasons, and that would help Duncan out a lot. Can't say the same with KG.


this is what it would take. i dont think the spurs would like it

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=arn7en3

That would fuck the Spurs so hard against OKC :rollin

[therealtruth]

Splitter still has lots of potential. Just look at some of his highlights from overseas.

[SenorSpur]

For those who keep clamoring for a KG-to-S.A. trade, you've obviously not paid attention to the personalities of either KG or Duncan for the past 15 years. KG is a very loyal cat and he certainly would not accept a trade anywhere out of Boston. He seriously contemplated retirement before being talked into coming back. Meanwhile Duncan's career-long disdain for KG is well-documented. Face it folks, this is a pipe dream that would NEVER happen.

[cd021]

Love the second transaction tbh

Could work right? We'd lose cap flex but The Celtics would get out of a long term deal of a role player that they thought would help them contend.

[cd021]

I love how this trade makes both teams worse according to the numbers.

Shut it down.

[Drachen]

KG would just be a bad idea. He would take time from Tiago, he would be too expensive, he would let his mouth write checks that his ass can't cash and he would make tiago too expensive ("oh you are paying KG 12 mil a year at 65 years old, I think I should get at least 12 mil")

[Strategic]

no one is going to touch rondos contract if its expiring or see what he can do after the injury

It might be interesting to see rondo and diaw playing hot pototoe with the lay-ups?

[Strategic]

i dont know how to embed but bill simmons tweets that its Splitter and JAX for KG! stay tuned... i hope this is not the case.. i really think Splitter is too valuable too loseSplitter stepping up is what has given TD his mobility to play offense away from the basket this year, why would the Spurs give that up?

[Old School 44]

KG to SA will never happen. IF KG does go on the block, there are foolish gms/owners that would offer better deals than anything the Spurs could offer. Just look to our north, where I hear the "Bank of Cuban" is open.

[Richie]

KG to SA will never happen. IF KG does go on the block, there are foolish gms/owners that would offer better deals than anything the Spurs could offer. Just look to our north, where I hear the "Bank of Cuban" is open.

I dont see what Dallas has in terms of young players on cheap deals that would interest the Celtics. They could give up this years pick with minimal protection + expirings for KG + Terry. Thats probably better than anything the Spurs have to offer.

Quite simply, we just don't have either the young talent or picks to interest the Celtics in a trade.

[Old School 44]

What Dallas does have is a deep-pocket owner desperate to make his team relevant again.

[Baynes]

I feel sorry for Rondo, tbh.

[look_at_g_shred]

Splitter stepping up is what has given TD his mobility to play offense away from the basket this year, why would the Spurs give that up?

This right here tbh

[Obstructed_View]

KG to SA will never happen. IF KG does go on the block, there are foolish gms/owners that would offer better deals than anything the Spurs could offer. Just look to our north, where I hear the "Bank of Cuban" is open.

KG wouldn't agree to a trade to Dallas. Hell, it's not even a given that he'd agree to a trade to San Antonio.

For the record, if KG and Terry become Spurs, I will stop rooting for the team.

[Horse]

How about once and for all FUCK KG! and his bigmouth fake thug faggot ass!

[Old School 44]

KG wouldn't agree to a trade to Dallas. Hell, it's not even a given that he'd agree to a trade to San Antonio.

For the record, if KG and Terry become Spurs, I will stop rooting for the team.
I don't think the Celtics trade KG anyway, but it's just the kind of headline grabbing move Cuban would make if he were available.
And ditto to your second line...but more so for Terry.

[spurraider21]

I doubt the Spurs pull the trigger on a KG trade. Either way, I don't want to trade Splitter. I do like KG as a player, but he's mainly been a jump shooter this year whereas Tiago is an elite pick and roll scorer. Completely different game, and would really screw with our chemistry. But if we are speculating...

Could you imagine the defense we'd have with Duncan/KG/Kawhi/Green/Parker... wow.

Even though I don't see a KG trade to the Spurs happening at all, IF it were to happen, it better not include Kawhi

[cd98]

If KG goes anywhere, it is Oklahoma City Thunder. They have a package of draft picks, young players, and Kendrick Perkins contract (less money per year and expires in two years). They can give a way better deal, and why not get Kevin Garnett and get more defensive firepower against the Lakers, Clippers, and Spurs.

[spurraider21]

If KG goes anywhere, it is Oklahoma City Thunder. They have a package of draft picks, young players, and Kendrick Perkins contract (less money per year and expires in two years). They can give a way better deal, and why not get Kevin Garnett and get more defensive firepower against the Lakers, Clippers, and Spurs.
Perkins wouldn't really do much for Boston at this point... not really enticing considering, as said, he has a couple of years left and would be a defensive specialist on an offense deprived team

[Chinook]

I don't see the Celtics doing anything major until the off-season at the earliest. They owe it to their core to at least give them a chance to work through their issues. If they can get a lottery or near-lottery pick this season, they may be able to come back strong if Rondo's going to be okay.

I could see them going for a mid-level point guard in a small trade, though. People who don't think Sullinger and Melo are on the block are fooling themselves. Especially Melo is moveable if Boston can get someone who can run the offense this year. With Bradley playing the off-guard spot. I could see a player like De Colo being viable there.

Do I think the Spurs would/should do a De Colo for Melo swap? Not really. But it's certainly possible.

[BackHome]

I bet he ends up a Laker.

[Strategic]

If KG goes anywhere, it is Oklahoma City Thunder. They have a package of draft picks, young players, and Kendrick Perkins contract (less money per year and expires in two years). They can give a way better deal, and why not get Kevin Garnett and get more defensive firepower against the Lakers, Clippers, and Spurs.


OKC seems to have a stockpile of first round draft picks ahead. How that happened I don't even want to know. Trading a couple of those for a POS like KG may help all others in the conference, tbh.

[cd98]

Perkins wouldn't really do much for Boston at this point... not really enticing considering, as said, he has a couple of years left and would be a defensive specialist on an offense deprived team

That's the point. They are in tank mode if they trade Garnett. That trade assures them that they will be bad for the next two years and score high draft picks. It also ensures that Rondo can have a friend while he is rehabbing. Once Rondo is healthy, he'll get traded as well.

[cd98]

OKC seems to have a stockpile of first round draft picks ahead. How that happened I don't even want to know. Trading a couple of those for a POS like KG may help all others in the conference, tbh.

That's the catch for the Thunder. If Boston decides to throw in the towel, then they trade Garnett. But they know they can't get a superstar back for him (he's too old). Besides, they probably want in on the Wiggins/Jabari Parker sweepstakes in two years. So they want young assets and draft picks that will allow them to justifiably lose. The only team that is on the verge of contending for a championship, but still has a stock pile of picks is the Thunder.

Would the Thunder do it? Well, they are in win-now mode even though they are young. You never know what can happen, for example, injuries or off court issues. So if you have a chance to win, you do everything you can to make that happen. KG is a known quantity in terms of his jumper and his defense. If you think you need that against the Duncans, Gasols, Randophs, and Griffins they will have to defend to get to the finals, then Garnett may make sense while giving up draft picks that are surely question marks on if they will ever amount to anything. Sure Garnett will be too old soon enough, but he gives you a two year window to help win a championship and then they can trade him or he'll just be an expiring. It's a gamble, but if it is done, it is the one for them to do.

If you are the Lakers, I don't see how a Garnett/Gasol trade helps you. Same for the Celtics. If Celtics do trade Garnett, it will be so they can commence the tanking.

[playblair]

KG wouldn't agree to a trade to Dallas. Hell, it's not even a given that he'd agree to a trade to San Antonio.

For the record, if KG and Terry become Spurs, I will stop rooting for the team.

scott layden.................

[cd98]

KG wouldn't agree to a trade to Dallas. Hell, it's not even a given that he'd agree to a trade to San Antonio.

For the record, if KG and Terry become Spurs, I will stop rooting for the team.

A trade with Dallas or San Antonio would never work. Neither team has assets that the Celtics want that the Spurs would be willing to part with. The Mavs, in all reality, don't have much outside of Dirk and maybe OJ Mayo, who is on a good contract. But basically that roster is full of a bunch of has beens or never will bes. So Mark can take on salary, but he can't really offer Boston anything other than Salary cap relief. Not sure that gets it done. Maybe they can offer their first round pick, but it won't be high enough, imho.

As for S.A., sure they'd work out a trade that involved Splitter and Leonard. But San Antonio wouldn't trade its youth for another aging superstar. Just don't see any trade other than the Thunder.

[Paranoid Pop]

An intriguing trade could be Garnett for Jordan+Bledsoe, Celtics get the best young defensive guards in Bledsoe and Bradley and a decent monkeyballer with upside. Clips become favorite to win it all.

Pierce the original Celtics get to stick around until he retires.

[cd98]

An intriguing trade could be Garnett for Jordan+Bledsoe, Celtics get the best young defensive guards in Bledsoe and Bradley and a decent monkeyballer with upside. Clips become favorite to win it all.

Pierce the original Celtics get to stick around until he retires.

Doubt the Clippers would do that trade. For one, with Paul injured and missing so many games, they probably don't want to trade Bledsoe until at least the offseason. Also, I'm not sure what trading for Garnett gets you. He's not really a center and can't guard Howard. Maybe if you think the Lakers don't make the playoffs, the center match up isn't that important. But I still don't see them trading a young center with upside for an aging Kevin Garnett. They are in win mode, but I just don't see it. And I say that not knowing how salaries would match up.

I'm not sure Pierce wants to stay on the Celtics if they decide to tank.

[Obstructed_View]

scott layden.................

Baking powder?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

garnett for jordan bledsoe would be interesting. clipps are too deep at point, and i think it helps them. i could absolutely see it. they start crawford or billups at point, if paul is hurt much longer. then they have hill, barnes, odom for sf/pf. kg would be a scary mentor for griffin. that trade would be really bad for us.

[Fabbs]

KG for Kwahi +
And the Celts will want a substantial + because Ainge is neither stupid nor a WWE Laker Aider type sellout.

Don't make me do this but yes, has to be considered.

[maverick1948]

It is really funny that the Spurs Talk posters are talking adding another 36 year old former superstar to a roster that has youth and age mix. KG is a dirty player and in the Spurs locker room would be a cancer. He would want minutes on the court and there are not enough to go around for what we have. He also, would cost us 12,000,000 for next year and then he is gone to the Lakers or somewhere else. No thanks on KG. The only trade I would like to see from the Spurs would be Danny Green, Gary Neal or Dejuan Blair for Courtney Lee. Not likely to happen, but would be a good trade. There are a lot of trade possibilities we could be involved. Our biggest problem is the lack of good 1st round draft picks. Don't be surprised to see Pop pull the trigger on a draft day trade again this season if he cant gain before the trade deadline.

[BatManu20]

As much as I've hated KG throughout his career, you have to respect him as a player. And I'd feel a hell of a lot better going into a 7 game series against OKC, LAC, LAL, and Miami with KG as my Center than Splitter tbh. Probably won't happen, but I think the Spurs should definitely pick up the phone and have a little chat with Danny Ainge just to see where things lie.

This team has a very small window to win another championship. I'd say this year (and maaaybe next depending on Manu) are our absolute last chances to win another one. We should go all in to try and make it happen. We're one player away imo.

Plus, who knows, maybe these two can be buds after all?

http://gothicginobili.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/i-will-destroy-you-tim-duncan.png

[4Dwin!]

Just the thought of Kg in a spurs uniform makes me laugh

[mosdef17]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zdu8og.png

[racm]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zdu8og.png

Does that mean Neal gets full-time 2 minutes and Manu shifts to the 3?

[Seventyniner]

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zdu8og.png

Only in the trade machine is this a success.

[spurspokesman]

KG and Tim winning a ring together would be one hell of a storyline lol.

[look_at_g_shred]

Does that mean Neal gets full-time 2 minutes and Manu shifts to the 3?

Damn I love this idea!

[Obstructed_View]

Only in the trade machine is this a success.

:lol that is sig worthy.

[celldweller]

Wow, I actually like it!

[mosdef17]

Does that mean Neal gets full-time 2 minutes and Manu shifts to the 3?

Doesn't really change a hell of a lot...

PG: Parker/Mills/DeColo
SG: Lee/Manu/Neal
SF: Kawhi/Manu
PF: Duncan/Diaw
C: Garnett/Splitter/Bonner

But hey, it's the flavor of the month thing to bag out Gary Neal so I guess people will stay mad until he returns to form...