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boutons_deux
02-07-2013, 09:34 AM
The characteristics of gun violence in the U.S. are largely unknown because key federal health agencies have been banned from conducting such research since the mid-1990s.

President Obama, however, wants to change that.

In presenting his plan to reduce gun violence last month, Obama said he would order the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to resume scientific studies of the issue.

"We don't benefit from ignorance," he said.
On Monday, however, the president acknowledged in a speech to the Minneapolis Police Department that he might be in for a fight. "Because for a long time, even looking at the evidence was considered somehow tough politics," he said.
Indeed, opponents on Capitol Hill are already making their concerns heard.

"Gun violence is not a disease," Iowa Senator Charles Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a recent speech on the Senate floor. "And lawful gun ownership is not a disease. It is a constitutionally protected, individual right."

But gun researchers say it is long past time that the research resumes.

"We really don't know some of the answers to the critical questions we need to know about [gun violence] in order to have more effective law enforcement and more effective public policy," says Harold Pollack, co-director of the Crime Lab at the University of Chicago.

At the lab, most research on things like underground gun markets and strategies to prevent gun violence has to be done with nonfederal funds. "There's been a chilling effect brought about the constraints that the president spoke about and by the political history of this debate at CDC and elsewhere," Pollack says.

RAND Corp.'s Dr. Art Kellermann, a health policy analyst, is well-acquainted with the political history of the debate.

Kellermann grew up with guns in East Tennessee. "Having a gun in your house was about as controversial as having a washing machine," he says. He says he was quite familiar with the idea of keeping a gun in the house for protection.
"But as a young ER doc, I wasn't seeing too many bad guys shot by homeowners," he says. "I was seeing kids shot by another child while they played with a gun they had found. I saw spouses who had shot one or the other in a family dispute. And I saw older individuals and sometimes teenage kids who used a gun to either take their life or attempt to take their life."

So he and several other researchers set out to study what they saw as cost-benefit analyses of the dangers of keeping guns, particularly loaded guns, in the home.

The findings were all strikingly similar. "On the balance, the risks of a tragedy in the home — a homicide or suicide — were actually increased if a gun was kept there rather than not," he says.

Gun advocates blasted the research.

Michael Hammond, legislative counsel with the group Gun Owners of America, says it appeared as if the CDC "was going to ... basically issue politicized studies with taxpayer funding concerning the Second Amendment issues."

The National Rifle Association all but declared war on the CDC in 1995. (The NRA didn't respond to repeated requests for comment for this story.)

The group first tried to defund the agency's entire injury control center, though research on gun violence amounted to about $2.6 million of a $43 million budget.

The following year, a compromise of sorts was reached. Congressional funders took the $2.6 million the CDC had been spending on gun violence research and ordered that it be used instead to study traumatic brain injury.

It was very clever, says Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., now the ranking member of the appropriations subcommittee that oversees the Department of Health and Human Services budget. "How do you say no to traumatic brain injury?"

But opponents of gun violence research also added language stipulating that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control."

Obama says his order that the research resume is premised on the legal opinion that gun violence research isn't the same as advocating or promoting gun control.

That's what researchers have always claimed, too. Public health research, they say, is based on making things safer, not on taking them away.

"It's ironic if you think about it," says Kellermann. "The last 20 years we've made spectacular progress with car crashes ... in reducing drownings, smoke inhalation from house fires. And yet we've not banned matches, swimming pools or automobiles."

But neither the CDC nor researchers wanted to take a chance testing the limits of the research ban, says DeLauro, and that essentially shut the research down.

Lawmakers have since expanded the ban — today it covers not only research at the CDC but also other agencies at HHS, including the National Institutes of Health — and they even added anti-gun control language to the 2010 Affordable Care Act.

HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said the department is "committed to re-engaging gun violence research" at CDC and NIH.

But the only real way to ensure the research restarts is for Congress to drop the existing language from the annual spending bill and restore funding.

A spokesman for Georgia Republican Rep. Jack Kingston, the new chairman of the HHS spending panel, said the chairman is planning to hold hearings on the matter. [B]"If CDC can show they can do nonbiased and nonpolitically motivated studies, that's something he'd be interested in," the spokesman said. :lol :lol :lol

http://m.npr.org/news/front/170844926

If the NRA, the gun industry, right-wing rabble, and corrupt politicians can quit lying about guns to maintain/increas gun profits, "that's something I'd be interested in" :lol

boutons_deux
02-07-2013, 11:44 AM
gun-fellators banned all gun violence research, shield criminal gun dealers from prosecution, etc, etc.

and now they want ban lobbying against guns.

NRA’s bill to ban anti-gun lobbying would cripple anti-smoking programs
The American Cancer Society says that a bill being pushed by the National Rifle Association (NRA) in Kansas to ban lobbying against guns would also restrict anti-smoking and anti-drinking programs.

State Senate Bill 45 (http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/sb45_00_0000.pdf) prevents “any money appropriated by the state legislature” from being used to “promote any proposed, pending or future federal, state or local tax increase, or any proposed, pending, or future requirement or restriction on any legal consumer product, including its sale or marketing, including, but not limited to, the advocacy or promotion of gun control.”

Democratic state Sen. David Haley told The Topeka Capital-Journal (http://cjonline.com/news/2013-02-06/nra-backed-bill-would-restrict-anti-smoking-programs) that in its effort to block gun control, the NRA was supporting language that prevents state dollars from being used against “any legal consumer product,” which means that the measure that would also “stop doing what has already been working well” to curb the abuse of alcohol and tobacco.


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/07/nras-bill-to-ban-anti-gun-lobbying-would-cripple-anti-smoking-programs/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29

TSA
02-07-2013, 12:07 PM
2003 CDC study.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm?mobile=nocontent


During 2000--2002, the Task Force on Community Preventive Services (the Task Force), an independent nonfederal task force, conducted a systematic review of scientific evidence regarding the effectiveness of firearms laws in preventing violence, including violent crimes, suicide, and unintentional injury. The following laws were evaluated: bans on specified firearms or ammunition, restrictions on firearm acquisition, waiting periods for firearm acquisition, firearm registration and licensing of firearm owners, "shall issue" concealed weapon carry laws, child access prevention laws, zero tolerance laws for firearms in schools, and combinations of firearms laws. The Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws or combinations of laws reviewed on violent outcomes. (Note that insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness should not be interpreted as evidence of ineffectiveness.) This report briefly describes how the reviews were conducted, summarizes the Task Force findings, and provides information regarding needs for future research.

boutons_deux
02-07-2013, 12:13 PM
"Note that insufficient evidence to determine effectiveness should not be interpreted as evidence of ineffectiveness."

"insufficient" is not an accident, but a policy. gun industry and NRA have blocked collection of evidence, and even use of computers to keep gun records

mavs>spurs
02-07-2013, 06:54 PM
lol obama fellator

go to hell

boutons_deux
02-07-2013, 08:30 PM
lol obama fellator

go to hell

Great comeback, you're the greatest.

mavs>spurs
02-07-2013, 08:38 PM
It doesn't compare to "gun fellator" that's for sure you homosexual sycophant of the new world orders front man

DMC
02-07-2013, 10:45 PM
It doesn't compare to "gun fellator" that's for sure you homosexual sycophant of the new world orders front man

Nah he just vomits out excerpts he sees on other sites. You could program a bot to do what he does and you wouldn't know the difference.

boutons_deux
02-08-2013, 11:15 AM
NRA-Funded Congressmen Leading The Charge Against Gun Violence Prevention (http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/08/1560621/nra-funded-congressmen-leading-the-charge-against-gun-violence-prevention/)

Since the Federal Elections Commission began tracking campaign contributions, the NRA Political Victory Fund (the National Rifle Association’s political action committee) has distributed more than $19 million to federal candidates.




1. REP. DON YOUNG (R-AK) — AT LEAST $107,425: Young said (http://donyoung.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=317018) last month, “I have serious concerns with the statements made today by President Obama and take issue with the President’s call for banning aesthetically altered rifles and shotguns and certain magazines. This is a dangerous limitation on a family’s ability to defend itself in the event they’re threatened. Perhaps in cities where the police response time tends to be more rapid, it is easy to forget how important a firearm is to keeping loved ones safe. However, in rural America where law enforcement is many miles away, a semi-automatic weapon could mean the difference between life and death.”

2. REP. STEVE CHABOT (R-OH) — AT LEAST $65,950: Chabot said (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/ohio-dayton-area-lawmakers-respond-to-obamas-call-/nTycc/) last month, “I have serious concerns regarding many of the president’s gun control proposals. Further, I am disturbed the White House bypassed the American peoples’ elected representatives in Congress and implemented much of their agenda by executive order.”

3. REP. PETE SESSIONS (R-TX) — AT LEAST $64,000: Sessions said (http://sessions.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=bd034843-5c86-4c4c-8292-ab8a8c76ac10) last month, “Going forward, I will continue to tirelessly defend Americans’ right to bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment. In doing so, I will fight against the President’s unrelenting attempts to bypass Congress and further erode our Constitution.”

4. REP. LEE TERRY (R-NE) — AT LEAST $59,650: Terry said (http://nebraskaradionetwork.com/2013/01/16/congressman-terry-concern-on-gun-control-measures/) in a January radio interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHLes5OJoEo&feature=youtu.be), “We’ve seen several assaults on the constitution. This is just another one.” He said President Obama’s efforts are “unconstitutional,” adding “These aren’t going to curb the real issue. The real issue is someone with mental health issues gets a gun… these aren’t going to solve that problem… How many bullets you have in a magazine ultimately doesn’t solve any problem.”

5. REP. BOB GOODLATTE (R-VA) — AT LEAST $57,250: Goodlatte, who chairs the House Committee on the Judiciary, told CQ Roll Call (http://www.rollcall.com/news/in_wake_of_tragedy_little_appetite_for_gun_control _among_house_republicans-220119-1.html) in December that he does not favor tightening controls on firearms. “We’re going to take a look at what happened there and what can be done to help avoid it in the future, but gun control is not going to be something that I would support,” he said. Any gun violence prevention measures would likely require Judiciary Committee approval.

6. REP. JOE BARTON (R-TX) — AT LEAST $57,248: Barton said (http://joebarton.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=201&Itemid=379) last month, “The Obama Administration’s plan amounts to a power grab. I will fight any legislation that further restricts qualified owners’ access to guns. I am also against the President using executive orders to circumvent the will of the people and infringe on the constitutional rights of my constituents. The right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment, and when I took my oath of office I swore to defend the Constitution. I believe that violent crime must be reduced, but I will not support measures that infringe upon the rights of law-abiding citizens.”

7. REP. HAL ROGERS (R-KY) — AT LEAST $51,725: Rogers has apparently said little publicly since Sandy Hook, but did say (http://halrogers.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=315496) in December, “As we search for understanding and gain minute-by-minute explanations of how an unfathomable tragedy of this magnitude occurred, we must be judicious in our response.”

8. REP. TOM LATHAM (R-IA) — AT LEAST $49,750: Latham said (http://latham.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=317019) last month, “while I always support having a vigorous and thorough debate on the important issues facing our nation, I continue to believe that we must ensure any Congressional or executive action pertaining to firearm regulations should not erode the rights we are guaranteed in our Constitution.“

9. REP. KEN CALVERT (R-CA) — AT LEAST $48,400: Calvert has reportedly refused (http://www.mercurynews.com/nation-world/ci_22218204/gun-debate-splits-california-house-members) to even discuss gun violence prevention until a full investigation of the Newtown shootings is completed.

10. REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH) — AT LEAST $47,800: Boehner, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, has dismissed calls (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/20/news/la-pn-boehner-rejects-vote-gun-bill-20121220) for quick House action on gun violence. “When the vice president’s recommendations come forward, we’ll certainly take them into consideration,” he said in December, “but at this point I think our hearts and souls ought to be to think about those victims in this horrible tragedy.”


http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/08/1560621/nra-funded-congressmen-leading-the-charge-against-gun-violence-prevention/

boutons_deux
02-08-2013, 12:12 PM
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