#LetBonnerShoot Worked, Matt Bonner in 3 Point Contest vs Novak

[ace3g]

Bonner vs Novak, lets get it started!!!

[playblair]

west 3pt shooters :wow

[Paranoid Pop]

Gonna choke and is too slow anyway, Novak will shit on him tbh.

[ace3g]

Bonner probably ends up making all the shots except for the money balls...

[bklynspursfan]

I hope he does good. I'm glad they finally put him in there

[Dex]

Jonathan Santiago @itsjonsantiago

Paul George, Kyrie Irving, Steve Novak, Ryan Anderson, Matt Bonner and Steph Curry are your 3-point contest shooters.

[Dex]

Darnell Mayberry @DarnellMayberry now
East dunk contest participants: Gerald Green, Terrence Ross, James White. West participants: Eric Bledsoe, Jeremy Evans, Kenneth Faried.

[timvp]

Congrats, Matt Bonner. It's actually well deserved and long overdue.

Good luck :tu

[Richie]

Nice to see Gerald Green in the Dunk Contest.

Curry, Anderson and Bonner should kill it.

[Dex]

Good for Matt. I don't think he will do too great; his form is not well suited to picking balls up, and his slow release will challenge him to get through all the racks. Plus, we all know how clutch Matty is under the bright lights.

That being said, he definitely deserved it. He's been top of the league in 3-pt shooting for years now, including a first place finish. For him to be overlooked again would be a sham. Also good to see a Spur reppin' in the contest, again.

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

ha saw this on TNT too
good luck red rocket.
cuz when the pressure is on and all eyes are on him ( just like in the playoffs )
he vanishes..................
hes gunna make the least shots out of all 6 particpants tbh

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think he'll do all that well, but the recognition is nice.

[BatManu20]

How awesome would it be if we traded him right before All-Star weekend haha

[hater]

IMO Bonner will make similar big man appearance as Dirk or Bird. He will get no less than 2nd place

[ace3g]

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BONNER_WEB-1024x723.jpg

someone said in a tweet when Bonner does 3 point contests he always banks in the money ball, wonder if he tries that during the real thing.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Tbh his release is too slow for the contest, doubt he makes it through all the racks. Im pulling for him though.

[Juggity]

Nice to see Gerald Green in the Dunk Contest.

Curry, Anderson and Bonner should kill it.

Gerald Green may give James White a run for his money


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFqwcIwZmZo

[spurraider21]

Paul George and Kyrie will get eliminated after the first cut

[Paranoid Pop]

Darnell Mayberry @DarnellMayberry now
East dunk contest participants: Gerald Green, Terrence Ross, James White. West participants: Eric Bledsoe, Jeremy Evans, Kenneth Faried.

Man the East has a serious team.

[Libri]

Darnell Mayberry @DarnellMayberry now
East dunk contest participants: Gerald Green, Terrence Ross, James White. West participants: Eric Bledsoe, Jeremy Evans, Kenneth Faried.

Wait a minute. He's in the league?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

kawhi just made team chuck one of the top picks

[JRHernandez88]

Bonners gonna win loll

[Dex]

Rookie vs. Sophmore teams

Team Chuck
Anthony Davis
Kenneth Faried
Kawhi Leonard
Bradley Beal
Ricky Rubio
Deon Waiters
Nikola Vucevic
Brandon Knight
Isiah Thomas
Alexey Schved

Team Shaq
Damien Lillard
Kyrie Irving
Andre Drummond
Klay Thompson
Harrison Barnes
Chandler Parsons
Deon Waiters
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Tyler Zeller
Kemba Walker

[Dex]

Wait a minute. He's in the league?

Benchwarmer with the Knicks iirc.

[timvp]

As for how Bonner will do, I guess it'll depend how comfortable he is out there. If it's like he's shooting at an empty gym, he's going to win. In practice, the guy literally knocks down >90% of his three-pointers.

The Spurs have had great shooters over the years but Bonner holds records in the different three-point shooting drills the Spurs have that no one could ever touch. For example, the Spurs have a timed drill where each player shoots 20 three-pointers at each of the five spots along the arc. Hedo Turkoglu had the record for a long time at 82, IIRC. Then Matt Bonner came along. The last I've heard, Bonner holds the record with a ridiculous 97 out of 100.

In an empty gym, Bonner may be the best three-point shooter who has ever lived. No joke.

[BatManu20]

Gerald Green may give James White a run for his money


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFqwcIwZmZo


Don't sleep on Terrance Ross. Dude can fly. He's my sleeper for the dunk contest.

[therealtruth]

Wait a minute. He's in the league?

I think that's the reason he's still in the league. We're finally going to get a good dunk contest with him and Gerald Green even without Lebron.

[crc21209]

Rookie vs. Sophmore teams

Team Chuck
Anthony Davis
Kenneth Faried
Kawhi Leonard
Bradley Beal
Ricky Rubio
Deon Waiters
Nikola Vucevic
Brandon Knight

Team Shaq
Damien Lillard
Kyrie Irving
Andre Drummond
Klay Thompson
Harrison Barnes
Chandler Parsons
Deon Waiters
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Still a couple to be randomly assigned, including Kemba Walker, Tyler Zeller, Isiah Thomas, Alexey Schved.

I'm not feeling Chuck's team at all. He went with mainly big guys while Shaq took the best guards available. I wouldn't be surprised if Team Shaq routs Team Charles...

[hater]

I'm not feeling Chuck's team at all. He went with mainly big guys while Shaq took the best guards available. I wouldn't be surprised if Team Shaq routs Team Charles...

there is only 1 ball

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

As for how Bonner will do, I guess it'll depend how comfortable he is out there. If it's like he's shooting at an empty gym, he's going to win. In practice, the guy literally knocks down >90% of his three-pointers.

The Spurs have had great shooters over the years but Bonner holds records in the different three-point shooting drills the Spurs have that no one could ever touch. For example, the Spurs have a timed drill where each player shoots 20 three-pointers at each of the five spots along the arc. Hedo Turkoglu had the record for a long time at 82, IIRC. Then Matt Bonner came along. The last I've heard, Bonner holds the record with a ridiculous 97 out of 100.

In an empty gym, Bonner may be the best three-point shooter who has ever lived. No joke.


damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn 97 out of 100 !?
thats cold blooded.
hope he wins, and i wish him the best of luck.
ryan anderson is no joke either.

[crc21209]

As for Bonner, it is very well deserved that he finally makes it. While some may think he has no shot, I think he might actually do well. Dirk won it a couple years back and I think has a pretty slow release too...

[Libri]

Benchwarmer with the Knicks iirc.


I think that's the reason he's still in the league. We're finally going to get a good dunk contest with him and Gerald Green even without Lebron.

Ok, now I'm interested in the dunk contest.

[Dex]

As for how Bonner will do, I guess it'll depend how comfortable he is out there. If it's like he's shooting at an empty gym, he's going to win. In practice, the guy literally knocks down >90% of his three-pointers.

The Spurs have had great shooters over the years but Bonner holds records in the different three-point shooting drills the Spurs have that no one could ever touch. For example, the Spurs have a timed drill where each player shoots 20 three-pointers at each of the five spots along the arc. Hedo Turkoglu had the record for a long time at 82, IIRC. Then Matt Bonner came along. The last I've heard, Bonner holds the record with a ridiculous 97 out of 100.

In an empty gym, Bonner may be the best three-point shooter who has ever lived. No joke.

This is truth. I was watching Bonner during the halftime shoot-around at the opening game against OKC...I think he hit all of his 3-point shots, like 18 in a row. Too bad that doesn't always equate to game time. It was incredible (and frustrating) to watch.

[BatManu20]

As for how Bonner will do, I guess it'll depend how comfortable he is out there. If it's like he's shooting at an empty gym, he's going to win. In practice, the guy literally knocks down >90% of his three-pointers.

The Spurs have had great shooters over the years but Bonner holds records in the different three-point shooting drills the Spurs have that no one could ever touch. For example, the Spurs have a timed drill where each player shoots 20 three-pointers at each of the five spots along the arc. Hedo Turkoglu had the record for a long time at 82, IIRC. Then Matt Bonner came along. The last I've heard, Bonner holds the record with a ridiculous 97 out of 100.

In an empty gym, Bonner may be the best three-point shooter who has ever lived. No joke.

If only that translated to games...

[spurraider21]

Go bonner :tu

team shaq eats team chuck tbh

[Paranoid Pop]

This is truth. I was watching Bonner during the halftime shoot-around at the opening game against OKC...I think he hit all of his 3-point shots, like 18 in a row. Too bad that doesn't always equate to game time. It was incredible (and frustrating) to watch.

Well Novak is a great shooter as well with a much quicker release. I'm not even sure Bonner would win in an empty gym tbh.

[Paranoid Pop]

Go bonner :tu

team shaq eats team chuck tbh

Yeah kinda surprising that Shaq picked the better team. That said the Vucevic Faried KY frontline should rebound like crazy.

[Das Texan]

Bonner should compete in a warm up jacket.

[hater]

I'm sure there's a lot of ppl in the world that can shoot 90%+ from 3pt in an empty court.

I'd give Bonner more props for putting the effort in the other basketball aspects to be good enough for NBA. That is the more amazing thing tbh

also, I'd say Dirk is probably best off game shooter ever. I seen him warm up :wow

[racm]

Yeah kinda surprising that Shaq picked the better team. That said the Vucevic Faried KY frontline should rebound like crazy.

Dat rebounding :wow

That said it's a bit worrying that KL's the best defender in that bunch

[elemento]

Matt Bonner will win it and will set a new record

Book it

[Spurs_Be_Beastin']

dunk contest should be sick.
gerald green wins it imo
but really wanna see what kind of tricks faried and bledsoe try, bledsoe is small but dude gets up ala nate robinson
( former winner )

[Boomersgold]

I hope Matt does well in the contest.

How did Paul George get into the contest? :bang

[Mugen]

I'm pullin' for the Red Rocket.

[Paranoid Pop]

Dat rebounding :wow

That said it's a bit worrying that KL's the best defender in that bunch

Pretty stupid that Chuck didn't pick one of Lillard-Irving.

[ElNono]

Time to start #LetDuncanWinDPOY, tbh

[Big P]

Too slow...he's not even going to finish all the racks...maybe if he had all day he could.

[FkLA]

I'm sure there's a lot of ppl in the world that can shoot 90%+ from 3pt in an empty court.

Dont be stupid.

Anyways best of luck to Matty Ice tbh.

[therealtruth]

I'm sure there's a lot of ppl in the world that can shoot 90%+ from 3pt in an empty court.

I'd give Bonner more props for putting the effort in the other basketball aspects to be good enough for NBA. That is the more amazing thing tbh

also, I'd say Dirk is probably best off game shooter ever. I seen him warm up :wow

I agree. I would much rather have a player that can only shoot 50% in an empty gym but also shoots 50% in a game.

[therealtruth]

dunk contest should be sick.
gerald green wins it imo
but really wanna see what kind of tricks faried and bledsoe try, bledsoe is small but dude gets up ala nate robinson
( former winner )


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kzc0Nj3xIrI

[Kori Ellis]

The dunk contest better not be lame again.

Good luck to Bonner. I personally think he won't even finish the fourth rack, but he might prove me wrong.

[urunobili]

Time to start #LetDuncanWinDPOY, tbh

[Wildcat67]

kawhi just made team chuck one of the top picks

Can anybody find a video of them making the picks I missed it, what did they say about Kawhi?

[ace3g]

dan mccarney ‏@danmccarneysaen (https://twitter.com/danmccarneysaen) Bonner told me he might consider growing out a baby mullet in honor of Larry Legend if he was selected.

[lmbebo]

dan mccarney ‏@danmccarneysaen (https://twitter.com/danmccarneysaen) Bonner told me he might consider growing out a baby mullet in honor of Larry Legend if he was selected.

That would really get me interested!

[ace3g]

He should also grow a stache for the contest as well

[Richie]

I agree. I would much rather have a player that can only shoot 50% in an empty gym but also shoots 50% in a game.

Bonner has led the league in 3P% before. His only flaw (and it's major) is that he can't replicate his regular season shooting in the playoffs. If he could, he would be very valuable.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Can anybody find a video of them making the picks I missed it, what did they say about Kawhi?

They really didn't say much about him, they just joked how Barkley was able to say his name corectly for the first time.

[ace3g]

What if Bonner won the 3pt Contest and that was the catalyst for his confidence in the post season...

I still expect him to miss all the money balls (too much pressure).

[Russ]

My prediction -- Bonner will set a record for total points in one round of the contest. He'll set it right out of the gate, in the first round.

In the final round . . . :depressed

[Embedded]

Wow - if he does well, so what, he's been the top tier 3-point shooter in the NBA for some time now, excluding the playoffs. But if he does poorly, under pressure, this could be a serious blow to his confidence come playoff time. I guess the other side of that is, it could carry over to the playoffs. His 3 point average last year was .420/.313 Regular Season/Playoffs.

[BatManu20]

Matt Bonner Statement on His Selection for the 3-Point Contest

Feb. 7, 2013


http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/matt_bonner.jpg

"From the bottom of my heart, I would like to thank everyone who supported me in getting selected to compete in the Three-Point Contest.Words cannot express how excited and honored I am to be a part of this event. I will do my best! Thank you!"

-via Facebook

[Richie]

I gotta say I do love Bonner. He frustrates the hell out of me when he plays and how he can't hit the side of a barn door in the playoffs, but I think he sounds like a top guy. Hope he does well.

[T Park]

I was contemplating going to all of this, now what the hell.

The basis of not liking Bonner is understandable, he doesnt do well come playoff time.

But other than that hes an ideal Spur. He does great work in the community, hes a great person, hes someone youd want your child to emulate. He never takes a game off with his effort.

The lengths some of the people in this place go to with their hatred of the guy is beyond ridiculous. I hope he does great, hell, I hope he wins.


Flame on.

[T Park]

Wow - if he does well, so what, he's been the top tier 3-point shooter in the NBA for some time now, excluding the playoffs. But if he does poorly, under pressure, this could be a serious blow to his confidence come playoff time. I guess the other side of that is, it could carry over to the playoffs. His 3 point average last year was .420/.313 Regular Season/Playoffs.

I don't think his confidence in the playoff can get much lower.

[benefactor]

Good luck to the Red Rocket. Hard to believe he's never been selected before.

James White will own in the dunk contest. There's a D-League dunk contest out there on youtube that he went pretty fucking raw on.

[DapDaGenius]

Hopefully he wins this and he is motivated to shoot well for the rest of the season.

[MI21]

I hope Matt does well in the contest.

How did Paul George get into the contest? :bang

Already an All-Star, very good player, hit 9 3PTers in a game this season, has hit 3 or more 3PTers in 16 games, 13th in NBA in 3PM per game, shoots 39% on 3PTers without being a specialist or stand still bench guy.. Come on mate, not many players have a better case than him.

[MI21]

That's pretty cool for Matt, I have confidence he will shoot really well but like others have said, I highly doubt he will get through enough racks without compromising his style which could effect his stroke.

[cheguevara]

if Flight White can still do his beyond the free throw dunks. It's over

[Boomersgold]

Already an All-Star, very good player, hit 9 3PTers in a game this season, has hit 3 or more 3PTers in 16 games, 13th in NBA in 3PM per game, shoots 39% on 3PTers without being a specialist or stand still bench guy.. Come on mate, not many players have a better case than him.

On further inspection of his stats, I can see that his selection into the contest can be warranted. I believe that J.J. Redick was snubbed yet again. In fact, in my opinion, Redick should've been selected over George. George should've been selected to compete in the dunk contest, tbh.

Comparison of their three point shooting stats:
J.J. Reddick ~40% from three, 113 threes made so far this season.
Paul George ~39% from three, 108 threes made so far this season.

[Dex]

I was contemplating going to all of this, now what the hell.

The basis of not liking Bonner is understandable, he doesnt do well come playoff time.

But other than that hes an ideal Spur. He does great work in the community, hes a great person, hes someone youd want your child to emulate. He never takes a game off with his effort.

The lengths some of the people in this place go to with their hatred of the guy is beyond ridiculous. I hope he does great, hell, I hope he wins.


Flame on.

As a guy, I really like Bonner. He seems like a smart and funny guy, his heart is in the right place, and he hustles his ass off despite his limitations. It makes him very hard to root against.

As a player, though, his playoff past speaks for itself. I would love for Bonner to turn it around and prove SpursTalk wrong, but he's had his chances to do so, and they always end up the exact same way.

Great guy to have on the end of the bench, but I don't want this team relying on his three-point talent, because it never seems to last in the post season. His form is suited for the regular season, when teams can't scout as discriminatingly, and players are more apt to game off him. Put him up against a talented defensive squad that is focusing on taking away the three point line, and he just can't have the same effect.

[cheguevara]

it's commendable that Bonner has stayed in the league for so many years and shocking that oponents still leave him open in the regular season

that being said, Bonner is a useless weapon come playoffs when teams see each other so often. Take his shot off and you have just a plain bad player.

[Drachen]

I agree with TPark?

If he gets traded, I'll be honest, it will be bittersweet. I like the guy, he is just frustrating as hell.

[team-work]

Good luck to the Red Rocket. Enjoy the contest, and let's not pay any attention to the results (hope it'll relieve some of the pressure.)

[FkLA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kzc0Nj3xIrI

Jesus Christ :wow

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCi5bH0CUAAW2uh.jpg:large

[MI21]

On further inspection of his stats, I can see that his selection into the contest can be warranted. I believe that J.J. Redick was snubbed yet again. In fact, in my opinion, Redick should've been selected over George. George should've been selected to compete in the dunk contest, tbh.

Comparison of their three point shooting stats:
J.J. Reddick ~40% from three, 113 threes made so far this season.
Paul George ~39% from three, 108 threes made so far this season.

I would have no problem if Reddick was in the contest. But there should be no question that George deserves it as well, tbh.

[8FOR!3]

I'll be shocked if Bonner doesn't win. Novak's pure, but Bonner's money.

[Obstructed_View]

As for Bonner, it is very well deserved that he finally makes it. While some may think he has no shot, I think he might actually do well. Dirk won it a couple years back and I think has a pretty slow release too...

Dirk had his last money ball allowed even though it was after the clock ran out. Doubt Bonner gets that kind of help.

[blkroadrunners]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCi5bH0CUAAW2uh.jpg:large

:lol wtf

[MR-Clutch]

Maybe if he wins the the contest it will give him to confidence to compete in the playoffs.

[JingleJangleJingle]

please win and gain confidence.

[justinandimcool]

30 in the first round, 6 in the finals.

[Drz]

All the confidence talk in this thread is bullshit. The only lack of confidence that exists is on the side of Spurs fans in Bonner's shot. I'm pretty sure Bonner doesn't give a shit what his past playoff shooting % is, and he'll let it fly when he's open like he always does.

If anyone can prove in any way that his confidence drops in the postseason, I swear on my life that I will PayPal you $50. Acceptable proof would be something like a quote. Unacceptable non-proof is saying his 3P% is less, or pointing out that he takes slightly fewer 3P shots per minute.

[hater]

Lmao these fuckers are nba players. If they have not developed confidence by their 3rd season, it aint happening

[crc21209]

At halftime of the Bulls-Nuggets game, Shaq offered Charles Kyrie Irving for Kenneth Faried and Barkley turned it down...

[xtremesteven33]

If Bonner can win this thing I hope it does wonders for his confidence going into the playoffs.

[Splits]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kzc0Nj3xIrI

Now I understand what the term monkeyball means.

[spurs10]

First Tim, Tony, and Pop. Now it's Sean, Bruce, and Matt. Jeez, I'm going to have to watch this year. The Spurs are well represented!
:flag:

[D-rob fan]

And Leonard too.

[spurs10]

And Leonard too.
Absolutely....came back to add that! :toast

[k_nguyen93]

First Tim, Tony, and Pop. Now it's Sean, Bruce, and Matt. Jeez, I'm going to have to watch this year. The Spurs are well represented!
:flag:
Are Sean and Bruce covering the event?

[Ozzy]

As for how Bonner will do, I guess it'll depend how comfortable he is out there. If it's like he's shooting at an empty gym, he's going to win. In practice, the guy literally knocks down >90% of his three-pointers.

The Spurs have had great shooters over the years but Bonner holds records in the different three-point shooting drills the Spurs have that no one could ever touch. For example, the Spurs have a timed drill where each player shoots 20 three-pointers at each of the five spots along the arc. Hedo Turkoglu had the record for a long time at 82, IIRC. Then Matt Bonner came along. The last I've heard, Bonner holds the record with a ridiculous 97 out of 100.

In an empty gym, Bonner may be the best three-point shooter who has ever lived. No joke.

Maybe I remember something wrong, but weren't Beno and Brent tied at the top of that table at some point and they also had a score over 90?

[Mark in Austin]

I don't care what happens. Fool's gold will always be fool's gold.

[Russo21]

Matty will hit all 25 attempts every round. Write that down.

[spurs10]

Are Sean and Bruce covering the event?
No, they are playing in the celebrity game!!!! That's so great!

[LittleCriminal]

Hopefully this ups his trade value!!

[Old School 44]

I think he has a great shot at winning. As far as him not finishing all the racks, I don't think this will be an issue. I don't know if participants practice for the contest (racks, time and all), but I wouldn't be surprised if Matt has and will.

[KenziE]

some people here make me laugh thinking the RED rocket aint gonna finish his racks -- for somebody whos been dreaming of being part of the 3point contest all this time wont you think that he probably might prepare and practice for the event geez .....

im rooting for you Matt Bonner make them haters eat crow !!!

[pookenstein]

Great for Matt.
Now the real pressing questions are: can he grow that mullent in a few days? Should Pop send him home to get some extensions? Would we get fined another 250k if he did? Will he grow a stache? IMO the answers should be yes, yes, no and yes.

[therealtruth]

some people here make me laugh thinking the RED rocket aint gonna finish his racks -- for somebody whos been dreaming of being part of the 3point contest all this time wont you think that he probably might prepare and practice for the event geez .....

im rooting for you Matt Bonner make them haters eat crow !!!

Maybe he will finish his racks but he won't be very accurate. When ever he rushes his shots he almost always misses. This contest basically forces you to rush your shots. If you're going for perfect form on each shot you won't finish.

[TDMVPDPOY]

havin a slow release doesnt benefit bonner, but if ur patience and hit most of ur shots timely...then anything is possible...

[polandprzem]

As for how Bonner will do, I guess it'll depend how comfortable he is out there. If it's like he's shooting at an empty gym, he's going to win. In practice, the guy literally knocks down >90% of his three-pointers.

The Spurs have had great shooters over the years but Bonner holds records in the different three-point shooting drills the Spurs have that no one could ever touch. For example, the Spurs have a timed drill where each player shoots 20 three-pointers at each of the five spots along the arc. Hedo Turkoglu had the record for a long time at 82, IIRC. Then Matt Bonner came along. The last I've heard, Bonner holds the record with a ridiculous 97 out of 100.

In an empty gym, Bonner may be the best three-point shooter who has ever lived. No joke.
Brent had more then Turk IIRC
Tim has it at 76 mark IIRC

[Johnny RIngo]

Hope he doesn't embarass himself like Mason did a few years ago

[team-work]

As for how Bonner will do, I guess it'll depend how comfortable he is out there. If it's like he's shooting at an empty gym, he's going to win. In practice, the guy literally knocks down >90% of his three-pointers.

The Spurs have had great shooters over the years but Bonner holds records in the different three-point shooting drills the Spurs have that no one could ever touch. For example, the Spurs have a timed drill where each player shoots 20 three-pointers at each of the five spots along the arc. Hedo Turkoglu had the record for a long time at 82, IIRC. Then Matt Bonner came along. The last I've heard, Bonner holds the record with a ridiculous 97 out of 100.

In an empty gym, Bonner may be the best three-point shooter who has ever lived. No joke.

If the 97-out-of-100 rumor is true, that alone justifies Bonner's inclusion in the 3-point Contest. He is genuinely excited to take part in it. The NBA did show some justice by including him, though it was mainly the result of lobbying by the high-profile people.

[Mal]

Great, happy for coach B

[Mel_13]

Maybe he will finish his racks but he won't be very accurate. When ever he rushes his shots he almost always misses. This contest basically forces you to rush your shots. If you're going for perfect form on each shot you won't finish.

The real truth is that all players make a lower percentage of their shots when defended.

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs had a drill where you shoot threes until you miss. Roger Mason hit just under 110, if memory serves. Didn't do him much good in the three point contest.

[Rocalcio]

This is truth. I was watching Bonner during the halftime shoot-around at the opening game against OKC...I think he hit all of his 3-point shots, like 18 in a row. Too bad that doesn't always equate to game time. It was incredible (and frustrating) to watch.

If only there was not all that nasty opponents trying to make him miss...:p:

[Dex]

If only there was not all that nasty opponents trying to make him miss...:p:

Tell me about it. Rude bastards with their "defense".

[diego]

I think he'll do well and get all his shots up. he'll shoot different than an nba game because it is a different contest, and you can tell bonner is hyped and will prepare for this. I wouldnt be surprised if the final round is his worst though...



If anyone can prove in any way that his confidence drops in the postseason, I swear on my life that I will PayPal you $50. Acceptable proof would be something like a quote. Unacceptable non-proof is saying his 3P% is less, or pointing out that he takes slightly fewer 3P shots per minute.

:lol, how about instead of confidence, we talk about performance. can you prove that his performance doesn't drop in the PO? oh, and aren't bigmen supposed to rebound and play D too? there's more to the game than shooting 3pters. the only big i can think of that rebounds worse than bonner is bargnani, and as toronto has seen you cannot build a team around a bigman who doesnt rebound.

and Tpark, while I agree bonner gets a lot hate, it has nothing to do with being a ginger. On the contrary, like you said he has tons of "fan love" intangibles- hard working, blue collar, makes fun of himself, goofy looks, etc etc etc. But the fact is that the worst part of the tim duncan era is the one where he got about 20 mpg- 09, 10 and 11. (1st rd loss to mavs, 2 rnd sweep to suns, 1st rd loss to grizz). There are some other factors there (namely manu's health), but the fact is regardless of his 3pt shooting he is not a championship caliber big man. shooter maybe, but big man definitely not.

[Spurs Brazil]

Congrats, Bonner!

But I think he'll feel the pressure and will score less than 10 pts. I hope I'm wrong

Good luck

[Bruno]

I'm not into all the ASG events but, since Bonner really wanted to do it, that's nice.

[EVAY]

Best of luck to you, Bonner!!

I hope you win, but if you don't, I hope that you enjoy yourself.

Please make all the haters eat their words!!

[angelbelow]

Great to hear. Good luck to Bonner but the exposure itself is already good.

[KenziE]

Maybe he will finish his racks but he won't be very accurate. When ever he rushes his shots he almost always misses. This contest basically forces you to rush your shots. If you're going for perfect form on each shot you won't finish.


if he gets in the zone even if he rushes his shots its like throwing rocks in the ocean ...

Matt Bonner has been dying to part of this allstar event im rooting for him he got a chip on his shoulder getting overlooked allstar after allstar even tho he is top 5 in 3 point shooting percentage for quite a while now...

good guys do finish 1st !!

Matt Bonner FTW, tbh

[therealtruth]

The real truth is that all players make a lower percentage of their shots when defended.

But Bonner refuses to shoot if his shot is contested. He only goes for the wide open 3's.

[Avitus1]

Glad to see him in the tournament, have a feeling he wont make it out of the first round.

[pgardn]

I'm not into all the ASG events but, since Bonner really wanted to do it, that's nice.

Only event I will watch.

the game is probably the worst of all, it stings my eyeballs

[Brunodf]

Novak >>>>>>>>>>>Bonner

[chapnis]

Novak >>>>>>>>>>>Bonner

who has more rings.

[slick'81]

fck that its on now!!!bonner is soo winning this shit

[Ice009]

I don't give a shit about Bonner. I still don't want him on the team. I'd like to trade him before then.

[Mel_13]

But Bonner refuses to shoot if his shot is contested. He only goes for the wide open 3's.

Some real truth this time, although in contradicts your previous post. Still, it's progress.

All the shots in 3 point contest will be uncontested.

[Boomersgold]

Only event I will watch.

the game is probably the worst of all, it stings my eyeballs

What happened to the players actually 'trying' in an NBA All-Star game?

[DMC]

2K13 comments on Bonner says he's a deadly outside shooter that isn't affected by pressure or defense. Some of you therefore have no idea what you're talking about.

[DMC]

But it makes me wonder, if Blair is in the gym, does Pop insist he's out there on the court at the same time with Bonner?

[Drz]

2K13 comments on Bonner says he's a deadly outside shooter that isn't affected by pressure or defense. Some of you therefore have no idea what you're talking about.
As self-appointed captain of the Bonner-Doesn't-Care-About-Pressure squad, that even makes me LOL. If there's one place in the world where I'd be okay with a comment like that, it'd be for a video game because the only real way they can determine anything like that is look at reputation and basic past performance stats. They can't spend time analyzing every bench player's attributes.

Perhaps they looked at his "clutch" stats on 82games.com. Those are actually pretty darn good, and well above average --- they're just regular season and not playoffs.

[Drz]

Despite my LOL, I agree with their premise. Bonner's approach has been distilled to the world's easiest formula:

1. If WIDE open, then
2. Repeat same shooting motion Bonner has practiced quite possibly more than one million times in his life.

To say he feels "pressure" in such a situation seems ludicrous. You can't do something as often as he's done it and expect to have trouble repeating it. It's like a PowerPoint presentation in an office... if you've practiced it 1,000 times, there's virtually no way you can be nervous.

[DMC]

Despite my LOL, I agree with their premise. Bonner's approach has been distilled to the world's easiest formula:

1. If WIDE open, then
2. Repeat same shooting motion Bonner has practiced quite possibly more than one million times in his life.

To say he feels "pressure" in such a situation seems ludicrous. You can't do something as often as he's done it and expect to have trouble repeating it. It's like a PowerPoint presentation in an office... if you've practiced it 1,000 times, there's virtually no way you can be nervous.

The forum doesn't assign the name "snowman" to Bonner for no reason. Timvp posted some stats a year or two ago showing Bonner's percentages in regular season vs post season, and they were night and day. His regular season 3pt % is .416 vs playoffs of .329. He's never shot higher in any playoffs than 37% from 3.

Comparison: Mike Finley, 37% lifetime 3pt%, but 38% in playoffs.

[DMC]

Check other shooters regular vs playoffs. Ray Allen 40% for both. Manu, 37% for both. Bruce Bowen regular season 3pt% = 39%. Playoffs = 42%, Brent Barry, 40.5% regular season vs 41.6% in the playoffs.

Why does Matt drop 25% of his efficiency during the playoffs if it's not pressure?

[Ice009]

Forget about Drz. Don't bother replying to him. The guy has never shot a basketball in his life.

If anyone of you is a shooter, then you know what is up with Bonner. Shooters know that he pisses his pants and his mechanics are poor when you need to get the shot off quicker.

anyway, Bonner needs to be traded. He missed free throws tonight. fucking pathetic in game shooter when you need a buckets. He misses them most of the time when there is a slight bit of pressure.

[Drz]

Why does Matt drop 25% of his efficiency during the playoffs if it's not pressure?
The same reason if you flip a coin 10 times, it comes up heads 3 times sometimes, 5 times most times, and 7 times sometimes. Good and bad luck gets spread around the league. To automatically assume that every player who's shot below his career % has done so due to pressure is an enormous fallacy. It's so enormous that it boggles my mind that people think it might true.

[Drz]

Forget about Drz. Don't bother replying to him. The guy has never shot a basketball in his life.

If anyone of you is a shooter, then you know what is up with Bonner. Shooters know that he pisses his pants and his mechanics are poor when you need to get the shot off quicker.
Another ridiculous argument. That fact that I only play rec league basketball makes me no more or less unqualified to talk about this than if your ridiculous assertion were true.

But, since you brought up such an asinine argument -- tell you what. If you can produce a video with a series of at least four examples that shows he rushes his shot when a defender is closing out on him, I'll Paypal you $200. You have my word. This post is a binding contract that I will pay you for such a service. Showing that there are a tiny amount of examples it's .0005 seconds different won't cut it, but any semi-realistic proof will. My theory is that his shot mechanics do not change, EVER, because he has spent a lifetime repeating his shooting motion. Prove my theory wrong, and you will get paid.

Sad part is I already know from your troll history that you're going to run with your tail between your legs and not even try to do anything to disprove what I said. Just baseless bashing with zero intelligence, as is par with Ice009.

[Ice009]

Look, I am not a great player or anything close to it. My overall game sucks, but I consider myself a decent shooter.

Can you shoot the ball? Would you consider yourself a good shooter? Do you know what it is like to have a little bit of pressure on your shot? Rushing it slightly and shooting with a hint of fear is enough to make you miss that shot.

It's not about repetition and numbers like you're making it out to be.

I'm definitely not a troll. I am a shooter that gets sick and tired of watching Bonner miss shots in the playoffs or under most pressure situations.

And what kind of retarded statement are you laying out here? His shot mechanics don't change, ever? It's not humanly possible to shoot the ball the exact way every single time within a game. If you are in an empty gym, you can come close, but in an actual game you will have slight variance on your shots. It might not be noticeable to the naked eye, but the shooter will be able to feel sometimes that his shot was off after it leaves his hands.

[DMC]

Bonner shoots set shots, not jumpers, so he needs about twice the space between the ball and his defender and most other shooters. That being said, if you think Matt Bonner doesn't panic under just about any level of duress, you've not been watching the Spurs.

A coin flip will average about 50% heads/tails over time. That doesn't change in the playoffs. Do you honestly think that Matt Bonner has bad luck in the playoffs but good luck in regular seasons? We aren't talking about one shot, but dozens or hundreds. If shooting was a flip of the coin, every shooter would be shooting about the same percentage. It's a skill, not a random event.

Matt doesn't rush his shot. He just misses it. Choking isn't about ball mechanics. It's a mental thing.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how many 3s has he made since the announcement he be in the 3pt competition?

[Drz]

Ice009, thanks for the good reply. Your last one imo was just an attack so I responded with equal garbage, but posts like this one, where you ask actual good questions and show you've thought about things, are much appreciated. No offense meant with the troll label, perhaps you are worthy of your big bold name. :)


Can you shoot the ball? Would you consider yourself a good shooter? Do you know what it is like to have a little bit of pressure on your shot? Rushing it slightly and shooting with a hint of fear is enough to make you miss that shot.
No, you're correct, my shot is the weakest part of my game. It's fair to say I'm a "terrible" shooter, even by rec league standards. And I definitely agree that rushing a shot leads to more missed shots. My argument is that Bonner doesn't rush his shots. That's part of what leads to some criticism of him on here.... "he passes up open shots because he's afraid!" people say. I say, he passes up shots where he's not 100% confident that he has a good open look, and he does so because he feels that if he's not 100% open, it's better for the team for someone else to get a better shot.

But can I prove that? I can't. I've seen Bonner in person a couple times around town, and next time I see him, I plan to ask him about the pressure issue. No matter what he says, should be an enlightening answer.



And what kind of retarded statement are you laying out here? His shot mechanics don't change, ever? It's not humanly possible to shoot the ball the exact way every single time within a game. If you are in an empty gym, you can come close, but in an actual game you will have slight variance on your shots. It might not be noticeable to the naked eye, but the shooter will be able to feel sometimes that his shot was off after it leaves his hands.
Well, yes, but we're talking different things. You're talking how it varies in the same way a bowler varies --- no matter how much you TRY to not vary, it inevitably will. And I agree. But I'm saying that despite that inevitable variation, the actual motion that he's attempting to do never varies. For example, he doesn't slightly speed his motion up if a defender is closing out on him (instead, he passes out of the shot).

This one can be proven or disproven with some video analysis, but it would take more time to analyze than I think anyone here is willing to put in.

[Drz]

A coin flip will average about 50% heads/tails over time. That doesn't change in the playoffs. Do you honestly think that Matt Bonner has bad luck in the playoffs but good luck in regular seasons? We aren't talking about one shot, but dozens or hundreds. If shooting was a flip of the coin, every shooter would be shooting about the same percentage. It's a skill, not a random event.
Gauss is rolling in his grave. :depressed

You agree that a coin flip has a 50% probability, right? Perform 20 series of 85 coin flips (85 = # of Bonner career playoff 3 point attempts). Will all 20 series have exactly n=42.5 heads? Of course not. That'll be approximately the average, but you'll likely see some much higher and some much lower. One might be as low as, say, 30 heads.

So here's the key question: That 30 heads, that was, say, Series #6. Was that unlucky? Yes it was. But does that mean the next time you do this that series #6 will continue to be unlucky? It might be, it might not be.... but we don't know that. Having had bad luck in the past tells you NOTHING about whether it'll be lucky in the future.

Does this translate to basketball? Yes it does. Because even if we DO say, hey, basketball is different, it's not a coin flip. There's skill and pressure and the human element involved. Yes, that's true, there is. But it only affects the outcome to a small degree. The shots STILL follow the binomial distribution, even with the human element, so it's an inarguable FACT that some players will have been less lucky in the past, and that it does not tell you anything about how they will perform in the future.

[DMC]

Per Game Glossary · SHARE · Embed · CSV · PRE · LINK (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01.html#per_game::none) · ?



Season
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2004-05 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2005/)
24
TOR (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2005.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2005.html)
C
82
0
18.9
3.0
5.6
.533
0.5
1.1
.424
0.7
0.9
.789
1.3
2.2
3.5
0.6
0.5
0.2
0.5
2.7
7.2


2005-06 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2006/)
25
TOR (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/TOR/2006.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2006.html)
PF
78
6
21.9
2.7
6.0
.448
1.3
3.1
.420
0.8
1.0
.829
1.1
2.5
3.6
0.7
0.6
0.4
0.4
2.8
7.5


2006-07 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2007/)
26
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PF
56
0
11.7
1.9
4.2
.447
0.6
1.7
.383
0.5
0.7
.711
1.1
1.6
2.8
0.4
0.3
0.2
0.4
1.2
4.9


2007-08 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2008/)
27
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2008.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html)
PF
68
3
12.5
1.8
4.3
.416
0.7
2.0
.336
0.6
0.6
.864
0.8
2.0
2.8
0.5
0.2
0.3
0.6
1.6
4.8


2008-09 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2009/)
28
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2009.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html)
PF
81
67
23.8
3.3
6.6
.496
1.5
3.3
.440
0.2
0.3
.739
1.2
3.6
4.8
1.0
0.6
0.3
0.5
2.3
8.2


2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2010/)
29
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
PF
65
8
17.9
2.6
5.7
.446
1.4
3.6
.390
0.5
0.7
.729
0.8
2.5
3.3
1.0
0.5
0.4
0.6
1.7
7.0


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2011/)
30
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
PF
66
1
21.7
2.6
5.6
.464
1.6
3.5
.457
0.5
0.7
.744
0.9
2.7
3.6
0.9
0.4
0.3
0.4
1.7
7.3


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2012/)
31
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
PF
65
2
20.4
2.4
5.4
.440
1.6
3.8
.420
0.2
0.3
.762
0.4
2.8
3.3
0.9
0.2
0.3
0.2
1.0
6.6


2012-13 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2013/)
32
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2013.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html)
PF
44
1
12.5
1.6
3.3
.483
0.8
1.9
.451
0.1
0.2
.571
0.4
1.6
2.0
0.5
0.3
0.1
0.2
1.1
4.2


Career


NBA

605
88
18.5
2.5
5.3
.468
1.1
2.7
.417
0.5
0.6
.776
0.9
2.5
3.4
0.7
0.4
0.3
0.4
1.9
6.6






Playoffs Totals Glossary · SHARE · Embed · CSV · PRE · LINK (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01.html#playoffs_totals::none) · ?



Season
Age
Tm
Lg
Pos
G
GS
MP
FG
FGA
FG%
3P
3PA
3P%
FT
FTA
FT%
ORB
DRB
TRB
AST
STL
BLK
TOV
PF
PTS


2006-07 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2007/)
26
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2007.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2007.html)
PF
9
0
25
2
7
.286
1
4
.250
2
2
1.000
2
1
3
0
2
0
3
6
7


2007-08 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2008/)
27
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2008.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2008.html)
PF
2
0
9
2
3
.667
0
0

0
0

0
2
2
2
0
0
0
0
4


2008-09 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2009/)
28
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2009.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html)
PF
5
5
100
5
23
.217
3
13
.231
2
2
1.000
6
10
16
0
3
2
2
10
15


2009-10 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2010/)
29
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2010.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html)
PF
10
0
173
19
44
.432
10
27
.370
2
2
1.000
7
25
32
4
1
3
7
22
50


2010-11 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2011/)
30
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2011.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011.html)
PF
6
0
123
12
25
.480
6
18
.333
8
10
.800
7
12
19
2
1
1
1
18
38


2011-12 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bonnema01/gamelog/2012/)
31
SAS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2012.html)
NBA (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012.html)
PF
13
0
165
10
32
.313
8
23
.348
3
5
.600
2
23
25
9
2
4
3
24
31


Career


NBA

45
5
595
50
134
.373
28
85
.329
17
21
.810
24
73
97
17
9
10
16
80
145






Why does Bonner's coin land differently than anyone elses?

[DMC]

There was another 3pt shooter who had a similar problem but his legacy overcame it through timely shots and association: Steve Kerr

[timvp]

Drz won't respond to this but here is a Bonner truth bomb:

The percentage chance that Bonner's drop in three-point percentage in each of the last six postseasons is solely due to bad luck is approximately 1.563%.

I mean, yeah, I guess we can hope that Bonner is just supremely unlucky. Orrrrrrrrrrr ..... we can go with the other 98.437% and believe there is something else going on rather than simple bad luck.

[Cane]

Hopefully it was just bad luck, speaking of bad luck in the playoffs it reminds me of Ibaka shooting midrange jumpers like he trained Antonio McDyess or something...Bonner's catapult shot is too slow and low I suppose come playoffs time?

[eric365]

Check other shooters regular vs playoffs. Ray Allen 40% for both. Manu, 37% for both. Bruce Bowen regular season 3pt% = 39%. Playoffs = 42%, Brent Barry, 40.5% regular season vs 41.6% in the playoffs.

Why does Matt drop 25% of his efficiency during the playoffs if it's not pressure?

Bonner is not as good under pressure of course but there are other reasons IMO for this playoff drop

Ray Allen, Manu are really good off the ball using screens to get open even in the playoff. Bonner only stay at his spot or on a few occasion will get a shoot from a pick and pop but that's it. And in the playoff against good teams, it's not enough
Ray Allen, Manu can actually shoot contested 3pts shot at a decent %
Bowen, Barry were still in a Duncan centered system that provided wide open 3pt in the regular season AND the playoff from the double team on Duncan. Bonner played decent playoff minutes only in the post Duncan system where we don't have anymore a player systematically double teamed even in the playoff.



His choke issue is overrated IMO. His game is just not suited for the playoff.


Edit : Just checked the stats for the 3pts shooter role player of the team in the last 2 years and in one year with prime Duncan :
2012 :
Danny Green : 0.436 in RS => 0.345 in Playoff
Matt Bonner : 0.420 => 0.348
I don't include Neal because he is in the Ray Allen / Manu category (create his own shot / get open with screen / can shot contested 3pt)

2011 :
R Jefferson : 0.440 in RS => 0.353 in Playoff
Matt Bonner : 0.457 => 0.333
George Hill : 0.377 => 0.267
Danny Green : 0.368 => 0.250

2005 :
Bruce Bowen : 0.403 in RS => 0.433 in Playoff
Devin Brown : 0.372 => 0.429
Robert Horry : 0.370 => 0.447
Beno Udrih : 0.408 => 0.270
Brent Barry : 0.357 => 0.424

[Old School 44]

I don't bet, but here's a good friendly bet for you all debating this issue.
In this year's playoffs, Bonner will shoot his overall regular season 3 pt percentage (for the last 4 years, including this year) or higher vs. lower than this overall regular season percentage (same time frame). Minimum 22 shot attempts. In other words, if he doesn't have at least 22 3-point attempts no one wins.

[DMC]

Hopefully it was just bad luck, speaking of bad luck in the playoffs it reminds me of Ibaka shooting midrange jumpers like he trained Antonio McDyess or something...Bonner's catapult shot is too slow and low I suppose come playoffs time?

There's no randomness in shooting. You are in control of the ball. You decide when to shoot and when to not shoot. Bonner, if he was under more pressure, could have taken fewer shots. We who have watched, we know he was wide open and just missed.

[Drz]

Drz won't respond to this but here is a Bonner truth bomb:

The percentage chance that Bonner's drop in three-point percentage in each of the last six postseasons is solely due to bad luck is approximately 1.563%.

I mean, yeah, I guess we can hope that Bonner is just supremely unlucky. Orrrrrrrrrrr ..... we can go with the other 98.437% and believe there is something else going on rather than simple bad luck.
Source? I'm assuming you're using a binomial CDF. If so, what were your assumptions for a population n and p?

You seem at least fairly math-inclined, but if you don't want to do the work, let me know what I should use for n and p and I'll calculate the odds. It's a quick Excel function. I'd choose n and p on my own in a way I think is reasonable, but if I come up with them then people won't give the number any credibility.

Edit: Also, minor quibble, and I think you realize this. Saying "we can go with the other 98.437% and believe there is something else going on rather than simple bad luck" isn't how the odds work.

[KenziE]

any updates here ? hehe

[hooperflash]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jntKn_9kpaA&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[ace3g]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jntKn_9kpaA

[Mel_13]

Somebody beat ace3g. That doesn't happen every day.

[ace3g]

well I knew this day would come...

[Obstructed_View]

Only event I will watch.

the game is probably the worst of all, it stings my eyeballs

Someone's forgotten Ibaka's retarded "save the little Asian kid with the mowhawk's teddy bear" dunk.

[hooperflash]

Bonner's 3pt Challenge Shooting Shirt, Apparently this is official..
http://distilleryimage11.instagram.com/4e1d1c80785011e2925f22000a1fb71a_7.jpg

[Splits]

I've got a $50 spot on Coach B. to win at 6-1 odds. Lezgo Matty!

[eric365]

Somebody beat ace3g. That doesn't happen every day.

Too bad Duncan228 and him were not in their prime at the same time

[hater]

Lose lose situation for bonner.

If he wins he will look more of a playoff chocker. And if he loses he will prove how much of a choker he is.

[Phenomanul]

Lose lose situation for bonner.

If he wins he will look more of a playoff chocker. And if he loses he will prove how much of a choker he is.

Or for the first time ever [because the unique scheduling opportunity] he will get "the annual choking" out of the way... and could actually show up in the post-season...

[ace3g]

check out Luke's shirt, lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDPg7jPCYAESAOo.jpg:large

[hooperflash]

Oh Luke lol

[HI-FI]

lol at the REd Mamba shirts. least Bonner realizes how ridiculous it is.

[ploto]

Bonner shoots so slow, I predict that he will not get all his shots off.

[hater]

Let the chokejob begin

[lefty]

lol the Bonner Bros are in the building

[mrjap2x]

17-18-19 West score :P

[SpursRock20]

Bonner Clutch!!!!

[KL2]

The red mamba!

[thOOdee]

lol...he did bad ass....but just like in the reg season.....puttered out in the end. props to the mamba

[hater]

:lol he choked at d end but got lucky

[Brunodf]

Choked in the end

[KL2]

Wow Bonner may win this, Irving vs Bonner!

[rasho8]

I want the bonner short as a jersey

[KL2]

Bonner lost congrats Irving lol.

[Richie]

20. Bad luck Bonner, 23 is very, very impressive.

[rasho8]

23 is ridiculous. No hate on Bonner for that one. He did damn well.

[thOOdee]

damn...nice job bonner........so is that red head that is always at the spurs game, bonners brother?

[spursmartyr]

Well thank god Irving didn't shoot like that on Wednesday night!!

[bklynspursfan]

Bonner definitely shouldve went first... Him shooting with pressure, eh... I don't think that's his strong suit

[spursmartyr]

Bonner definitely shouldve went first... Him shooting with pressure, eh... I don't think that's his strong suit
20 in the final round is enough to win it EVERY OTHER YEAR.

[Budkin]

Damn just watched on DVR. How the fuck did Kyrie Irving get 23?? Good job Matty.

[ace3g]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOth_yebvSI


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep_UzyiVrzo

[Phenomanul]

20 in the final round is enough to win it EVERY OTHER YEAR.

Damn Stern and his marketing ploys kept Bonner out all them other years... damn shame...

[HI-FI]

it is bs that Bonner should've been in awhile back, finally gets in, actually shoots very well but Irving is on some hot streak right now. hopefully Bonner can get in next year though.

[GSH]

I decided to drop in for a rare appearance, because I knew Bonner finally got into the 3P contest.

All the people who claim that Bonner's release is so ridiculously slow, and that he couldn't possibly compete in a 3P Contest because of it? Fuck you. There's no nicer way to put it... just Fuck You. You don't know shit about shooting, or what a quick release looks like. You never did. (You even argued when Sean Elliott said that he has a quick release, as if Sean doesn't know anything about shooting.) You know who you are.

Bonner acquitted himself extremely well. Facing down a score of 23, he managed to drop 20, which would win most years. I've seen other "clutch" shooters totally collapse in the finals, when the first guy puts up just a decent number. I remember Terry Porter scoring 11 or 12 in a finals. Craig Hodges scored 25 in the first round, and then pissed up a 12 when Bird dropped a 22 on him. Hell... I don't think Reggie Miller ever scored more than 19.

That being said, the next time Bonner is in the playoffs, he WILL be a brick machine, and a pylon on defense.


And, finally, I come back and read one freaking thread, and see the abortion below. Maybe it's just because I've been away, but it has taken over in my mind as the stupidest post I have ever read, here or anywhere else. Yes, it gets bonus points because the troll who wrote it has obviously been in some math classes (or read a lot of Wikipedia articles). But I've never, never seen anyone go so far to pretend to be an expert, and still put up something so utterly non-sequitir. I started listing all the things wrong with it, and it literally gave me a headache. Seriously... what the FUCK do you mean that "the shots follow the binomial distribution"? I'm speechless.

For the record, it's physics, not luck that determines whether a shot goes in. And, among the hundred or so things wrong with your post, you apparently presume that a flat shot has the same "chance" to go in as one that has a lot of air under it? If stupidity was criminal, you'd be facing capital punishment. I'd pink your dumb ass, just on principles.




Gauss is rolling in his grave. :depressed

You agree that a coin flip has a 50% probability, right? Perform 20 series of 85 coin flips (85 = # of Bonner career playoff 3 point attempts). Will all 20 series have exactly n=42.5 heads? Of course not. That'll be approximately the average, but you'll likely see some much higher and some much lower. One might be as low as, say, 30 heads.

So here's the key question: That 30 heads, that was, say, Series #6. Was that unlucky? Yes it was. But does that mean the next time you do this that series #6 will continue to be unlucky? It might be, it might not be.... but we don't know that. Having had bad luck in the past tells you NOTHING about whether it'll be lucky in the future.

Does this translate to basketball? Yes it does. Because even if we DO say, hey, basketball is different, it's not a coin flip. There's skill and pressure and the human element involved. Yes, that's true, there is. But it only affects the outcome to a small degree. The shots STILL follow the binomial distribution, even with the human element, so it's an inarguable FACT that some players will have been less lucky in the past, and that it does not tell you anything about how they will perform in the future.

[Whisky Dog]

Props to Bonner, dude came up big time. Hopefully it carries some confidence to the regular games

[DapDaGenius]

Glad he lost.

[sook]

Glad he lost.

wtf? why do ST posters hate Bonner so much?

[InRareForm]

damn irving going to have plenty of other times to get his trophies and awards, couldn't let ginger get his glory tonight tho smh..

[EricB]

wtf? why do ST posters hate Bonner so much?


Cause he does bad in the playoffs. That's all. Hate a person they don't know it all.

[apalisoc_9]

At least he beat NOVAK..I'm good with that

[playblair]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDRg9zWCcAEQsYg.jpg

[hater]

he still choked tbh

Bonner is methodically good enough to win this contest running away.

he almost choked the 1st round away. and the 2nd round, he choked around the begining. still give him credit to come out fighting at the end of the 2nd round. tbh Kyrie was not to be denied no matter what so Bonner in the end did a respectable showing. Still, in an empty gym he probably would average 25+ pts per round

[rmt]

Matty did well. 20 and 19 are very good. Just ran into a hot player. Hope it carries over to the playoffs.

[chapnis]

he still choked tbh

Bonner is methodically good enough to win this contest running away.

he almost choked the 1st round away. and the 2nd round, he choked around the begining. still give him credit to come out fighting at the end of the 2nd round. tbh Kyrie was not to be denied no matter what so Bonner in the end did a respectable showing. Still, in an empty gym he probably would average 25+ pts per round

And Curry shot a 27 in an empty gym but a 17 in the comp. EVERYBODY finds it tougher when the lights come on not just Matt.

[hater]

And Curry shot a 27 in an empty gym but a 17 in the comp. EVERYBODY finds it tougher when the lights come on not just Matt.

well this is true. tonight also proves Bonner is just another choker in a league full of chokers. Really clutch players really probably amount to 10% of the entire league. So in the end Bonner is no different than 90% of the league.

just look at NOvak :lmao dude probably makes 90% 3pt shots in an empty gym and tonight he looked like a complete bufoon :lol

tbh no wonder Lebron's and such are scared of All Star competitions. dudes get exposed in these kind of events.

[DapDaGenius]

wtf? why do ST posters hate Bonner so much?

I'm glad he lost, doesn't mean I hate him. Maybe I like Irving more...maybe just maybe? Since you love him so much, email his brother and petition that he gets traded to the Rockets. Will be fun watching people blow past him for easy buckets, in a Rockets uniform.

[Boomersgold]

20 in the final round is enough to win it EVERY OTHER YEAR.

If I remember correctly, Hornacek won his second three point shootout with a final round score of 13. He beat out Ray Allen and Dirk.

[Spurs Brazil]

Buck Harvey: The rise of Red Mamba fits NBA
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:22 am by Buck Harvey

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/02/17/buck-harvey-the-rise-of-red-mamba-fits-nba/

[Boomersgold]

Buck Harvey: The rise of Red Mamba fits NBA
Posted on February 17, 2013 at 1:22 am by Buck Harvey

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2013/02/17/buck-harvey-the-rise-of-red-mamba-fits-nba/

Red Mamba? I think they've mixed up Matt "Red Rocket" Bonner and Brian "White Mamba" Scalabrine....

[Ice009]

I decided to drop in for a rare appearance, because I knew Bonner finally got into the 3P contest.

All the people who claim that Bonner's release is so ridiculously slow, and that he couldn't possibly compete in a 3P Contest because of it? Fuck you. There's no nicer way to put it... just Fuck You. You don't know shit about shooting, or what a quick release looks like. You never did. (You even argued when Sean Elliott said that he has a quick release, as if Sean doesn't know anything about shooting.) You know who you are.

Hopefully the three point contest helps him with his in game shooting. It was a pretty darn good showing from him.

He did say at start of the season (when he wasn't shooting well or getting minutes on the court) that he has been working hard on a quicker release jumpshot. If it wasn't a problem, then he wouldn't have said it or have been working on one.

[foodie2]

I decided to drop in for a rare appearance, because I knew Bonner finally got into the 3P contest.

All the people who claim that Bonner's release is so ridiculously slow, and that he couldn't possibly compete in a 3P Contest because of it? Fuck you. There's no nicer way to put it... just Fuck You. You don't know shit about shooting, or what a quick release looks like. You never did. (You even argued when Sean Elliott said that he has a quick release, as if Sean doesn't know anything about shooting.) You know who you are.

Bonner acquitted himself extremely well. Facing down a score of 23, he managed to drop 20, which would win most years. I've seen other "clutch" shooters totally collapse in the finals, when the first guy puts up just a decent number. I remember Terry Porter scoring 11 or 12 in a finals. Craig Hodges scored 25 in the first round, and then pissed up a 12 when Bird dropped a 22 on him. Hell... I don't think Reggie Miller ever scored more than 19.

That being said, the next time Bonner is in the playoffs, he WILL be a brick machine, and a pylon on defense.


And, finally, I come back and read one freaking thread, and see the abortion below. Maybe it's just because I've been away, but it has taken over in my mind as the stupidest post I have ever read, here or anywhere else. Yes, it gets bonus points because the troll who wrote it has obviously been in some math classes (or read a lot of Wikipedia articles). But I've never, never seen anyone go so far to pretend to be an expert, and still put up something so utterly non-sequitir. I started listing all the things wrong with it, and it literally gave me a headache. Seriously... what the FUCK do you mean that "the shots follow the binomial distribution"? I'm speechless.

For the record, it's physics, not luck that determines whether a shot goes in. And, among the hundred or so things wrong with your post, you apparently presume that a flat shot has the same "chance" to go in as one that has a lot of air under it? If stupidity was criminal, you'd be facing capital punishment. I'd pink your dumb ass, just on principles.

I actually agree with most of what you wrote, but if you're going to write several paragraphs of rant about how someone else is stupid, you should run a spell check. You spelled "non sequitur" wrong.

[Obstructed_View]

At least the people that think the Spurs would be better off with Novak are going to shut up.

[Drz]

And, finally, I come back and read one freaking thread, and see the abortion below. Maybe it's just because I've been away, but it has taken over in my mind as the stupidest post I have ever read, here or anywhere else. Yes, it gets bonus points because the troll who wrote it has obviously been in some math classes (or read a lot of Wikipedia articles). But I've never, never seen anyone go so far to pretend to be an expert, and still put up something so utterly non-sequitir. I started listing all the things wrong with it, and it literally gave me a headache. Seriously... what the FUCK do you mean that "the shots follow the binomial distribution"? I'm speechless.

For the record, it's physics, not luck that determines whether a shot goes in. And, among the hundred or so things wrong with your post, you apparently presume that a flat shot has the same "chance" to go in as one that has a lot of air under it? If stupidity was criminal, you'd be facing capital punishment. I'd pink your dumb ass, just on principles.
LOL! If you're going to tell someone how dumb they are, perhaps you should spell-check and grammar-check your post. :lol (edit: foodie2 = wizard)

To answer your questions:
1. "what the FUCK do you mean that 'the shots follow the binomial distribution'" -- I'm confused by this question, because of the many things I talk about that are arguable, that one is a very simple fact. What do you not understand about it? Do you know what statistical distributions are?
2. "you apparently presume that a flat shot has the same "chance" to go in as one that has a lot of air under it?" -- No.

In all honesty, I really don't understand what you thought was such an "abortion."

[Joyrider]

Am I the only that thought, after the first set in the second round, that Kyrie was gonna make every single one of them? His stroke was smooth. Sorry, Matty B.

[Trainwreck2100]

Red Mamba? I think they've mixed up Matt "Red Rocket" Bonner and Brian "White Mamba" Scalabrine....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD94dVu8lqQ

[therealtruth]

At least the people that think the Spurs would be better off with Novak are going to shut up.

I'm not sure. Novak was missing alot of shots and still got 17. If he doesn't go cold he probably wins the competition.

[hooperflash]

Red Mamba? I think they've mixed up Matt "Red Rocket" Bonner and Brian "White Mamba" Scalabrine....

Nah, Kobe dubbed that Matt was the Red Mamba... They're just rolling with it.

[DMC]

Bonner only missed until it didn't matter, then he hit every one.

[Drz]

I'm not sure. Novak was missing alot of shots and still got 17. If he doesn't go cold he probably wins the competition.
IMO, it's pretty definite that Novak is slightly better than Bonner offensively, and that Bonner is mildly better than Novak defensively. Net, it's close, but Bonner gets a small edge.

[spurs10]

Nah, Kobe dubbed that Matt was the Red Mamba... They're just rolling with it.
I thought Tim called him that...

[spurraider21]

IMO, it's pretty definite that Novak is slightly better than Bonner offensively, and that Bonner is mildly better than Novak defensively. Net, it's close, but Bonner gets a small edge.

yeah pretty much. bonner a bit better on D, novak with the quicker release. they bring about the same value. that said, bonner is just a bigger dude, which gives him the advantage in a tie

[ElNono]

1. "what the FUCK do you mean that 'the shots follow the binomial distribution'" -- I'm confused by this question, because of the many things I talk about that are arguable, that one is a very simple fact. What do you not understand about it? Do you know what statistical distributions are?

In all honesty, I really don't understand what you thought was such an "abortion."

Building an argument over statistics then turning around and flatly stating that previous performances are not indicative of future performances is prima facie an argumentative abortion.

[Drz]

Building an argument over statistics then turning around and flatly stating that previous performances are not indicative of future performances is prima facie an argumentative abortion.
??

Was that directed at me?

I'm particularly confused about the "flatly stating that previous performances are not indicative of future performances" part. I didn't see anyone state that, especially not myself. As I'm sure you recall from our previous encounters, my career is in statistics (modeling, particularly). There's no way I'd make that statement, or even allude to it.

[hooperflash]

I thought Tim called him that...

It all started when Kobe was asked to tweet his thoughts about the 81pt game he had in Toronto, while it was being shown on NBATV.. Someone asked a question (via Tweet) about Brian Scalabrine, Kobe then replied with saying that the White Mamba wasn't present, the Red Mamba was in the building that day. (Matt Bonner)

[ElNono]

I'm particularly confused about the "flatly stating that previous performances are not indicative of future performances" part. I didn't see anyone state that, especially not myself.


so it's an inarguable FACT that some players will have been less lucky in the past, and that it does not tell you anything about how they will perform in the future.



As I'm sure you recall from our previous encounters, my career is in statistics (modeling, particularly). There's no way I'd make that statement, or even allude to it.

Every time you asks us to dismiss his 5 seasons of playoff performance drop you're essentially asking us that. What's the point of building a house of cards with statistics if we are to summarily cherry pick what to keep and what to dismiss?

I'm aware statistics is your forte, but we're analyzing a sport that is obviously non-deterministic. And chief among the reasons it's not, is because there's that pesky human factor.

Ultimately, that you think the influence of such a factor is small (or even it's weight quantifiable at all under different scenarios), is simply opinion. It's not based on statistics, regressions, hard math or anything. Just a gut feeling. And it's a gut feeling that, when applied to Matt up to now, just doesn't add up.

[Drz]

Ah, understood. I agree and concede to your points, particularly the point about how big or small the element is is just my opinion. We can use math to answer that question of course, but that'd be quite the circular argument. Kind of like saying we know God exists because of the Bible (anyone want to take the bait... anyone? anyone? :) ).

Anyway, with that, I retire this ID from Spurstalk. It's too connectable to my real life name, and I'm kind of a butt on here. I'll go back to my lurking ways, and maybe return in the future in a less Bonneriffic form.

'twas fun, most of the time. Bonner on. :toast

[ElNono]

Under the current house of cards, if Matt does well in the next playoffs, all of the following will be true...

A) He got luckier than in the past (chance)
B) He performed to his statistical career average (giving credence to the statistical argument)
C) Past performances are not indicative of future performances (killing the statistical argument)

That's some quality hedging right there, or an abortion as arguments go.

[ElNono]

Ah, understood. I agree and concede to your points, particularly the point about how big or small the element is is just my opinion. We can use math to answer that question of course, but that'd be quite the circular argument. Kind of like saying we know God exists because of the Bible (anyone want to take the bait... anyone? anyone? :) ).

Anyway, with that, I retire this ID from Spurstalk. It's too connectable to my real life name, and I'm kind of a butt on here. I'll go back to my lurking ways, and maybe return in the future in a less Bonneriffic form.

'twas fun, most of the time. Bonner on. :toast

Well, make a new alias and hang around. Even if too Bonner-lover for me, still quality conversations can be had :toast

[Obstructed_View]

I'm not sure. Novak was missing alot of shots and still got 17. If he doesn't go cold he probably wins the competition.

I suppose, but by that logic you could say that if he made all his shots and could dribble, pass and defend he'd be an all star. The real truth is that he doesn't and isn't.

[hater]

no math can explain the clutch gene. Either you have it or you don't

Bonner absolutely does not possess the clutch gene.

[ace3g]

if you want to buy the Red Mamba shirt:

http://shop.themountain.me/red-mamba/

[bklynspursfan]

Red Mamba- Clutch.... :lol


David Locke ‏@Lockedonsports (https://twitter.com/Lockedonsports)
Three players in NBA over 50% from 3 in 4th quarter (min 15 makes) Kyle Korver, Kevin Martin and Matt Bonner

[slick'81]

i called the win dammit matt soo close

[Seventyniner]

Forgive me if this has been posted:

http://www.48minutesofhell.com/the-secret-origins-of-the-red-mamba