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Riddler
02-08-2013, 09:26 AM
Adrian Wojnarowski
32 minutes ago

Partners in time? Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard were both right to be skeptical of their union

BOSTON – Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard had always been a reluctant partnership, two stars long suspecting what turned out to be the indisputable truth: They were destined to be terrible teammates.

When Bryant and Howard hung up on a pre-trade deadline call a year ago, the suspicions of a toxic mix were confirmed with a most uncomfortable conversation. They had different visions on the way Howard would fit into the Lakers, which promised to compound the gulf between them as people. They were going to win (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=228212&page=81#) with the Lakers and tolerate each other; or lose and develop a deep disdain.

On his way out of the Garden, out of a humiliating 116-95 loss to the Boston Celtics, Bryant returned a clichéd question – "Are Dwight and you on the same page?" – without a clichéd response.

With a bemused face and a shrug, Bryant told Yahoo! Sports: "What page is there to be on? Defend. Rebound…"

He shrugged again.

"I mean, what else is on the page?"

Nevertheless, Bryant reached out to Howard early on Thursday to diffuse the drama, he told Yahoo! Sports. He fired off a text to message to insist (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=228212&page=81#) that a part of his interview with the great Boston sportswriter, Jackie MacMullan, had been misconstrued in the public eye. Bryant swore he wasn't calling out Howard about sitting three straight games with a shoulder injury (http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=228212&page=81#), that he wasn't questioning his toughness.

"Listen, I really think people ran in the wrong direction with those quotes," Bryant told Y! Sports. "And I think that put Dwight on the defense, put him a little on edge. But that wasn't the intention, nor the purpose.

"I didn't say anything earth-shattering. I didn't say anything I haven't been saying all year.

"Honestly, I didn't take a run at him."

Truth be told, the Lakers are in deep, deep trouble – 3½ games back of the eighth spot in the Western Conference. They've lost Pau Gasol for several weeks and could be completely out of the playoff chase once he returns to the floor. Howard was out of synch in his return, fouling out in 28 minutes with little, if no, impact on the game.

More and more, it's become clear that Howard won't be his dominant self this season. The torn labrum could need surgery this summer, a league source said, and Howard couldn't even guarantee he'd feel strong enough to play in Charlotte on Friday night. From a herniated disk in his back to the torn labrum, from the pressures inside and outside the organization to get back on the floor, Howard has been reduced to a shell of himself.

In Howard's defense, the doctors had told him that he could expect to be out with back surgery into December – even January – and yet he had rehabilitated so well that he made opening night.

Few players took the physical beating laid upon Howard in Orlando, the hard fouls, the wild swings, the shots delivered on the league's Goliath that were long tolerated. He did play through the back injury a year ago, until surgery was unavoidable.

"They can say what they want to say," Howard said softly at his locker. "None of these people are playing. None of these people have had injuries. They can say what they want about playing through pain or playing through injuries.

"I spent a whole summer trying to recover because I wanted to play through pain, show people I'm tough."

Part of the problem of Howard's clowning act is that people don't take him seriously in times of crisis. It's easier to doubt his toughness, tenacity, when they're watching him grab the microphone to do impressions on team charters or booming farts in the locker room. Bryant never wanted Howard's disposition to rule the day in the Lakers' locker room, never wanted his own culture of seriousness and duty to be undermined with the frivolity that comes with Howard.

This was Bryant's concern before the trade this summer, and after it. Rest assured, there was a reason the Lakers were third behind the Brooklyn Nets and Dallas Mavericks on Howard's preferred list of trade partners. First of all, there were doubts about the depth of talent to win a championship – and those turned out to be legitimate. What's more, he knew the partnership with Bryant would be troublesome for him. And when Bryant and Steve Nash were enthusiastic about the arrival of Mike D'Antoni as coach, Howard badly wanted to play for Phil Jackson.

D'Antoni had no use for Howard with Team USA, nor the New York Knicks when his name was raised in possible trade discussions. D'Antoni made sure to tell everyone Howard had been medically cleared to play in each of the three games he missed recently, and he sounded minimally sympathetic toward Howard's endurance of pain on Thursday night.

For the Lakers, Jackson would've been the right coach to thrust Bryant and Howard together. D'Antoni hasn't a chance to do it. For now, the Lakers are too far gone to think there's a bonding process that'll serve to salvage this season. Yes, the Lakers had won six of seven games since the cleansing of that team meeting in Memphis, but everything has changed this week.

Gasol's gone, Howard is searching and these Lakers simply aren't constructed to resurrect themselves in the playoff chase. For the future, the Lakers' play hasn't changed, nor will it. They have to give Dwight Howard a chance to recuperate his back, his shoulder, and understand that he can eventually still be a franchise center.

And yet, as Bryant told MacMullan, "We don't have time for [Howard's shoulder] to heal. We need some urgency." Bryant has been around a long time to be too surprised his words were construed as a call to arms for Howard. Make no mistake: That interview practically promised Howard would be in the lineup on Thursday night, that he would push through the pain and redirect the narrative on himself.

Nevertheless, Howard still seemed bothered with Bryant, and, well, Bryant seemed unbothered with it. He shot Howard his text, let him know he wasn't making a run at him. Whatever. From the start, this partnership promised to be an uneasy proposition, and it's been something of a self-perpetuating prophecy. Kobe and Dwight always knew the deal here. With winning, perhaps they could tolerate each other. With losing, a deep disdain.

"We communicate," Bryant told Y! Sports. "We do often." This doesn't mean they have a relationship, or trust, and that's part of the reason Bryant is a minimalist when it comes to the sharing of the basketball season's page. All along, they were destined to be terrible teammates. They knew it, but could do nothing to stop an inevitable consolidation of their talents. In the end, Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard need each other, and that's still the best chance for the salvation of these Los Angeles Lakers. Someday soon, they'll need to go far deeper on that page together. Someday soon, the future of the franchise depends upon it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--partners-in-time--kobe-bryant-and-dwight-howard-were-both-right-to-be-skeptical-of-their-union--090109255.html

NRHector
02-08-2013, 10:14 AM
nice, keep the drama coming :toast

dunkman
02-08-2013, 10:57 AM
Kobe is a terrible team mate, period. And it's absolutely mind boggling how they complain about the the talent deep. 4 hofs + 2 all-stars, 2 mvps, 2 dpoys + 1 first team all-defense, I mean what kind of talent Kobe needs to succeed?

Bynumite
02-08-2013, 11:45 AM
Kobe is a terrible team mate, period. And it's absolutely mind boggling how they complain about the the talent deep. 4 hofs + 2 all-stars, 2 mvps, 2 dpoys + 1 first team all-defense, I mean what kind of talent Kobe needs to succeed?

Hey phag... every single one of those hall of famers minus Kobe is dealing or dealt with injuries at some point during the season and had to sit out games. LAL's frontcourt is completely obliterated by injuries (Gasol, Howard, Hill).

dunkman
02-08-2013, 11:48 AM
Hey phag... every single one of those hall of famers minus Kobe is dealing or dealt with injuries at some point during the season and had to sit out games. LAL's frontcourt is completely obliterated by injuries (Gasol, Howard, Hill).

Phag? Your the one with Johnson's signature. :lol

NRHector
02-08-2013, 11:51 AM
Hey phag... every single one of those hall of famers minus Kobe is dealing or dealt with injuries at some point during the season and had to sit out games. LAL's frontcourt is completely obliterated by injuries (Gasol, Howard, Hill).

what you're saying is that he can't do it by himself

The Batman
02-08-2013, 11:53 AM
Hey phag... every single one of those hall of famers minus Kobe is dealing or dealt with injuries at some point during the season and had to sit out games. LAL's frontcourt is completely obliterated by injuries (Gasol, Howard, Hill).

:lol excuses

Bynumite
02-08-2013, 11:55 AM
what you're saying is that he can't do it by himself

Except Duncan, no other players in the history of the NBA could do it by themselves.

Cry Havoc
02-08-2013, 12:00 PM
Hey phag... every single one of those hall of famers minus Kobe is dealing or dealt with injuries at some point during the season and had to sit out games. LAL's frontcourt is completely obliterated by injuries (Gasol, Howard, Hill).

Yeah, they're playing almost as bad now as they were when everyone was healthy! :lmao

Mugen
02-08-2013, 12:06 PM
Except Duncan, no other players in the history of the NBA could do it by themselves.

Truth.

The Batman
02-08-2013, 12:08 PM
Except Duncan, no other players in the history of the NBA could do it by themselves.

Dirk and Hakeem.

Leetonidas
02-08-2013, 12:21 PM
Dirk and Hakeem.

I wouldn't put Dirk up there, the 2011 Mavs were not a one man team, as evidenced by the major suckage of them after the departures of Chandler, Terry, Barea, and Kidd, while Dirk is still there leading them to a shit record this season

NRHector
02-08-2013, 12:22 PM
Except Duncan, no other players in the history of the NBA could do it by themselves.

yeah, Duncan makes the Spurs look like a $1,000,000,000 team

Bynumite
02-08-2013, 12:26 PM
Truth.

I was being sarcastic. Duncan never did it by himself and he failed miserably with a stacked olympic team.

Mugen
02-08-2013, 12:31 PM
I was being sarcastic. Duncan never did it by himself and he failed miserably with a stacked olympic team.

False. Duncan won 03 by himself.

Failed miserably so Manu could have his greatest triumph. Just another testament to Tim's amazing leadership and qualities as a teammate.

024
02-08-2013, 12:31 PM
kobe just wants dwight howard to be his tyson chandler :lol

he's been trying to condition howard for that role since day one by peeing on the ball and hogging it. too bad howard isn't backing down.

Brunodf
02-08-2013, 12:34 PM
I was being sarcastic. Duncan never did it by himself and he failed miserably with a stacked olympic team.

:lolMarbury and AI shooting 40% and both were bad on D.

Bynumite
02-08-2013, 12:55 PM
:lolMarbury and AI shooting 40% and both were bad on D.

As spurfan says: "Excuses".

Following spurfan's logic, i choose to ignore the context and main causing factors of said loss just to prove my point.

ElNono
02-08-2013, 01:05 PM
Duncan did medal in those Olympics... he always made the playoffs too throughout his career even though he didn't win it every year...

It's just different standards of excellence... Duncan's worst is making the playoffs... Kirby's worst is fake an injury just when he's about to miss them...

Rummpd
02-08-2013, 01:46 PM
Kobe is the most over-ranked NBA, over-hyped NBA superstar ever no matter low or how you rank him- no surprise here that his leadership or lack there of is completely over the top. He needs to shut up outside the locker room.

All Kobe is trying now is to switch the blame that he cannot inspire, cannot lead and cannot motivate effectively teams without dominant players carrying him like Shaq and Gasol in their primes did and perhaps the greatest coach ever [and a leader like Derek Fisher] at his side. Nothing new here - this implosion of the Lakers is on Bryant as he has been on the floor the whole time and except for a few games in which he made to much out of making some team play with some all around play and over-hyped triple or near triple doubles agains weak opponents, has not led a lick.

Cry Havoc
02-08-2013, 01:49 PM
Kobe is the most over-ranked NBA, over-hyped NBA superstar ever no matter low or how you rank him- no surprise here that his leadership or lack there of is completely over the top. He needs to shut up outside the locker room.

At this point Kobe is the most overrated Superstar in the history of American sports. It's pathetic.

StrengthAndHonor
02-08-2013, 02:34 PM
Kobe and Dwight are both terrible teammates but at this point Dwight takes the mantle of being that cancer in the locker room. Even Nash is calling him out. This is the same guy that held the Orlando franchise hostage last year eventually getting his coach fired who IMO was the perfect coach for him. He was the center piece, the first option and the city embraced him despite of his shortcomings. The Orlando press pampered him and he can do no wrong before the Dwightmare saga. Orlando was willing to give him that championship, and what did he do? He wanted to be a part of something bigger in Brooklyn and forced his way out.


I dont feel bad for Howard. He knew the situation he's getting into when he agreed to go to LA. The Lakers are still Kobe's team and until Dwight shows he's willing to pay his dues, no one is simply going to hand over those keys.

StrengthAndHonor
02-08-2013, 02:34 PM
Lakers should trade him now or amnesty Kobe. You can't have both playing for the same team.

Medvedenko
02-08-2013, 03:28 PM
Kobe is the most over-ranked NBA, over-hyped NBA superstar ever no matter low or how you rank him- no surprise here that his leadership or lack there of is completely over the top. He needs to shut up outside the locker room.

All Kobe is trying now is to switch the blame that he cannot inspire, cannot lead and cannot motivate effectively teams without dominant players carrying him like Shaq and Gasol in their primes did and perhaps the greatest coach ever [and a leader like Derek Fisher] at his side. Nothing new here - this implosion of the Lakers is on Bryant as he has been on the floor the whole time and except for a few games in which he made to much out of making some team play with some all around play and over-hyped triple or near triple doubles agains weak opponents, has not led a lick.

After all of these years on this board, you continue to suck with bball takes and overall assessment of what a delight Kobe is as a player, competitor and athlete. There's a reason Spurs Talk has evolved into Kobe Talk over the last few years.... There is also a reason I don't comment on the Spurs, I don't watch them.

leemajors
02-08-2013, 04:26 PM
http://deadspin.com/5982894/jordan-crawford-says-kobe-bryant-hisses-like-a-snake-on-the-court

Cry Havoc
02-08-2013, 04:47 PM
After all of these years on this board, you continue to suck with bball takes and overall assessment of what a delight Kobe is as a player, competitor and athlete. There's a reason Spurs Talk has evolved into Kobe Talk over the last few years.... There is also a reason I don't comment on the Spurs, I don't watch them.

So salty. :lol

baseline bum
02-08-2013, 05:34 PM
:lolMarbury and AI shooting 40% and both were bad on D.

Exactly; Duncan had TWO Kobe's on his team and couldn't win.

baseline bum
02-08-2013, 05:34 PM
So salty. :lol

:cry The Truce is Over :cry

:cry You'll pay for your basketball reasons :cry

baseline bum
02-08-2013, 05:37 PM
Why does everyone hate Dwight though? Nigga only got 3 people to pray for his ass

http://www.godvine.com/prayers/54297

ambchang
02-08-2013, 06:01 PM
After all of these years on this board, you continue to suck with bball takes and overall assessment of what a delight Kobe is as a player, competitor and athlete. There's a reason Spurs Talk has evolved into Kobe Talk over the last few years.... There is also a reason I don't comment on the Spurs, I don't watch them.

Certainly why you are posting on a place called Spurstalk.

ElNono
02-08-2013, 06:20 PM
Kobe and Dwight are both terrible teammates but at this point Dwight takes the mantle of being that cancer in the locker room.

:lol Dwight is a bitch, but if you want to talk cancer in the locker room, #countonkobe

come on son...

The Batman
02-08-2013, 06:42 PM
Gotta love these butthurt Laker fags think everyone else is insecure. They're the ones who bragged about Mitch making everyone pay, which has yet to happen, so yes we want to see you fuckers fail.

MannyIsGod
02-08-2013, 07:09 PM
False. Duncan won 03 by himself.

Failed miserably so Manu could have his greatest triumph. Just another testament to Tim's amazing leadership and qualities as a teammate.

LOL wtf?!?!?!?! That supporting cast was fucking stacked. No real all stars but that team was deep. SMH at this idiocy.

dunkman
02-08-2013, 07:42 PM
LOL wtf?!?!?!?! That supporting cast was fucking stacked. No real all stars but that team was deep. SMH at this idiocy.

The second best player of the 02-03 Spurs was 19-20 years old TP, but he had some troubles vs Kidd and the Spurs had to use undersized Claxton. The Admiral had lost a step at that point, it was his last season. The backup at C was Malik who was built like Blair. The SF was Bowen, without much offense a part from corner 3's. And at SG the Spurs had Jack who was a TO machine, and Manu who was a rookie and far away from the 6th man status. Plus 4-5 players on their last legs that retired after that season. Kerr hit various big.shots vs the Mavs, though.

MannyIsGod
02-08-2013, 07:55 PM
Anyone who thinks Duncan did it alone in 2003 is just retarded. You had David Robinson playing damn good D, you had a better back up big man in Malik than we've had in a long time, you had two you fresh young guards in Tony and Manu who did really well, and you had some cold blooded shooters in Kerr and Jackson. DRob had YEARS left he could have played and done so at an effective level. A team that has Ferry and Steve Smith as the last two off the bench is deep as shit.

MannyIsGod
02-08-2013, 07:56 PM
I mean seriously, who the fuck think that Tim was doing it alone on a team filled with at least 3 other hall of famers? LOL.

Latarian Milton
02-08-2013, 08:29 PM
nigga is basically useless in _'antoni's system and the team might even play better w/o him so what's the point in forcing him to play through injuries? like stalin said in another thread, the only reason might be that they want to find a scapegoat for the whole mess of shit and DH is a perfect target. mavs must be the happiest watching all these tbh, nigga is bored of playing with kobe and dallas will be the only team that has enough cap space to land him as a free agent

ambchang
02-08-2013, 08:31 PM
In 03. The spurs were rebuilding and nobody thought thy had a shot. The admiral was clearly at the end of his playing days, Manu was mostly out of control, and Parker had no outside game to speak of. In the playoffs it was Robinson and Jackson as the 2nd best player on the team.

It was about as doing it alone as any other team since the 94 rockets. #2-12 was the weakest of the championship teams since the 70s along w the 94 rockets.

BigTex342006
02-08-2013, 09:11 PM
I mean seriously, who the fuck think that Tim was doing it alone on a team filled with at least 3 other hall of famers? LOL.

Obviously Tim didn't do it literally by himself... But he did more heavy lifting than pretty much any other MVP over the last 30 years.

Various spurs had big shots, and contributed along the way, but Tim was the man every way possible.

Here are the playoff shooting percentages for the other players (listed in order of minutes played):

.403

.414

.372

.386

.419

Does this look like a team that won it all?

Robinson played good defense, but was a shell of his former self, playing 23 minutes a game. And give me a friggin break calling Parker and Ginobili hall of fame players in 03! Both had deer in the headlight syndrome half the time.

Duncan led the team in scoring, rebounding, assists, and blocks.

The all important first game in the finals he went for 20 pts 17 rbs 7 blks 6 asts 3 stls 1 foul 1 turnover, and in the clincher he rolled to 21 pts 20 rbs 10 asts 8 rbs, holding Martin to 3-23 shooting. (of course 29/17, 23/16, 21/16 isn't bad either). Nets had the number defense that year.

Tim was simply the man that series and playoffs. Could Kobe have pulled a run like that? No.

Latarian Milton
02-08-2013, 09:33 PM
the league was suffering a drought of talents during the post-jordan era and the league title was open for 5-10 teams to compete for at that time. spurs got a prime duncan who could dominate the paint with ease and a few amazing wonderkids. lakers might be the next best team back then but they looked complacent after winning 3 in a row. take the 03' nets or 76ers to today's league and they'll struggle to get through the 1st round tbh

BigTex342006
02-08-2013, 09:52 PM
...as opposed to all the talent today? How many teams have a chance to win it all this year? How many scrubs are there right now? The answers are few and a lot...

Theory fail

StrengthAndHonor
02-11-2013, 05:15 PM
:lol Dwight is a bitch, but if you want to talk cancer in the locker room, #countonkobe

come on son...

I don't know about that son. Dwight has been a drama queen since his Orlando days and everyone in that locker room hated him at the end.

And now this...

Kevin Ding Editorial: Why Kevin Ding thinks Steve Nash might be FED UP With Dwight Howard (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=157353******=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=)

Koolaid_Man
02-11-2013, 06:15 PM
So here's the 10 ton elephant in the room...what happens to Duncan's legacy if Lebron goes back 2 back...it's widely and generally that any titles won that were not successfully defended are fluke...

Duncan was good but he was never good enough to repeat..rendering all of his titles pretty much flukes....just like Boston, Detriot, Miami, and Dallas...all fucking flukes...