Idaho senator proposes legislation to require all students to read Atlas Shrugged

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2013/0208/Ayn-Rand-as-a-graduation-requirement-An-Idaho-senator-likes-the-idea


Sen. John Goedde, chairman of the Idaho Senate's Education Committee, introduced legislation that would require every Idaho high school student to read 'Atlas Shrugged' and pass an exam on the book to graduate.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

:lmao tea party
:lmao "small government"
:lmao required reading being a part of small government

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol tea baggers avoiding this thread like the plague

[boutons_deux]

Ayn Rand's Gospel of Selfishness and Billionaire Empowerment Is Plaguing America

Thirty years after her death, Ayn Rand’s philosophy of selfishness and billionaire empowerment rules the world. It’s a remarkable achievement for an ideology that was pushed to the fringes for most of her life, and ridiculed on national television in a notorious interview with Mike Wallace.

But, it’s happened. And today, the United States and other independent governments around the world are crumbling while Ayn Rand’s billionaires are taking over.

With each new so-called Free Trade agreement – especially the very secretive Trans Pacific Partnership, which has less to do with trade and more to do with a new law of global governance for transnational corporations – Ayn Rand’s reviled “state” (or what we would call our democracy, the United States of America) is losing its power to billionaires and transnational corporations.

Ayn Rand hated governments and democracy. She considered them systems of mob rule. She grew up in Russia, and as a child watched the Bolsheviks confiscate her father’s pharmacy during the Russian Revolution. Likely suffering from PTSD from that incident, Ayn Rand devoted her future writings to evil government, including the "evil" of its functions like taxation, regulation, and providing social services to the poor and sick.

She divided the world into makers and takers (or what she called “looters”).

On one side are the billionaires and the industrialists. People like Dagny Taggert, a railroad tycoon, and Hank Rearden, a steel magnate. Both were fictional characters in her book Atlas Shrugged, but both have real-world counterparts in the form of the Koch Brothers, the Waltons, and Sheldon Adelson. According to Rand, they are the “Atlases” holding up the world.

So, in Atlas Shrugged, when the billionaires, tired of paying taxes and complying with government regulation, go on strike, Ayn Rand writes that the American economy promptly collapsed.

On the other side are the “looters,” or everyone else who isn’t as rich or privileged, or who believed in a democratic government to provide basic services, empower labor unions, and regulate the economy. They are the leeches on society according to Rand (and according to Mitt Romney with his 47% comments). And, as she told Mike Wallace in in 1959, they do not even “deserve love.”

To our Founding Fathers, looking out for the general welfare of the population was an explicit role of the government, one of its most important and the reason this nation was created when we separated from Britain.

But to Ayn Rand, a government that taxed billionaires to help pay for healthcare and education for impoverished children was not just unwise economically, it was also immoral.

Nature abhors a vacuum – both in the wild and in politics. So, when people, organized in the form of a government, are removed from power, then money organized in the form of corporations and billionaires moves into the vacuum to take power – which is exactly what’s happening today, worldwide.

In the thirty years after her death, the United States crept closer and closer to Ayn Rand’s utopia. Reagan dramatically slashed taxes on the rich and went after labor unions. Clinton deregulated financial markets for the rich, ended welfare as we know it, and committed our nation to one globalist corporate free trade agreement after another.

And, under Bush and Obama, we’ve seen the rapid privatization of our commons, the further erosion of social safety nets, and more losses of national sovereignty with more so-called free trade agreements.

In Europe, we’re seeing sovereign governments neutered by Conservative technocrats. According to Ayn Rand, the rich can never be asked to sacrifice. So instead, it’s working people across the Eurozone who have to pay for the bad investments that the banksters made in the run-up to the global financial collapse.

As we saw in Greece in 2011 with the deposing of Prime Minister George Papandreou, and all across the state of Michigan over the last few years with financial managers laws, when democratic governments are unwilling to do the bidding of the rich, they're immediately replaced by corporate lackeys who will.

The Taggerts and the Reardens are holding the reins of government today.

Which explains why Corporate America paid an average tax rate of just 12% in 2011 – the lowest rate in 40 years. It explains why 400 billionaires in America now own more wealth than 150 million other Americans combined. And it explains why fewer impoverished Americans are getting less federal assistance than at any time in the last half-century.

Ayn Rand envisioned a world without governments – a world where the super-rich are free to do as they wish.

We tried that during the so-called Gilded Age of the late 19th Century – before Ayn Rand was alive. If she'd watched the ruthlessness of the Robber Barons like she did the Bolsheviks, she may have reached different conclusions.

She may have realized that American Presidents like Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower were right when they made sure that wealth was more evenly distributed and the Billionaire Class was held in check.

Or she may have come to understand that corporations and billionaires owe their wealth to the state and not the other way around. Without favorable patent and copyright laws, a court system, an educated workforce, and an infrastructure to move goods about the country, then no one would be able to get rich in America. We'd be like the Libertarian paradise of Somalia.

As Harry Moser, the founder of the Reshoring Initiative,argued [3] in The Economist, “Corporations are not created by the shareholders or the management. Rather they are created by the state. They are granted important privileges by the state (limited liability, eternal life, etc). They are granted these privileges because the state expects them to do something beneficial for the society that makes the grant. They may well provide benefits to other societies, but their main purpose is to provide benefits to the societies (not to the shareholders, not to management, but to the societies) that create them.”

Sadly, this understanding of how democratic republics work - and why - has been lost this generation.

And Ayn Rand’s disciples are making sure the next generation never finds it again.

Idaho State Senator John Goedde, who chairs that state Senate’s Education Committee, introduced a bill this week that would require all students to read Ayn Rand’s book “Atlas Shrugged” before they can graduate. Goedde explained that the book made his son a Republican and that it “certainly gives one a sense of personal responsibility.”

Between stupidity like this, and the re-birth of Ayn Rand through corporate-funded think tanks and Hollywood movies, the Billionaire Class wants to make sure the next generation buys into a toxic ideology that’s quite literally destroying the world as we know it.

They don’t want the 21st Century to be “America’s Century.” They want it to be the “Billionaire’s Century.” And if they succeed, then the middle class in America - and through most of the developed world - will go extinct.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/ayn-rands-gospel-selfishness-and-billionaire-empowerment-plaguing-america?paging=off

That libertarians and Repugs adore, venerate Ayn Rand's adolescent, simplistic, sociopathic bullshit proves how intellectually, emotionally primitive, stunted they are.

[Trainwreck2100]

lol Twilight for Tea Party

[sickdsm]

Ridiculous. Just like seat belt laws. Highly recommended does not need to be required.

Why does politics have to be us vs. them? I'm registered independent because the republican party is too far left for me but that doesn't mean we need to agree or defend what others do.

I think its also ridiculous that you have a call out for TP'ers to defend this action.

The hell with the country, after all, its just an us vs them game.

[mavs>spurs]

i think it's a good idea and a great stop gap to liberal tyranny Goedde you the man tbh

[spursncowboys]

Like usual. DOK misses the point of a political movement that he knows nothing about.

I find it funnier how DOK never explains how to pay for all his favorite social policies. Like a kid telling their parents "Just go to bank and get money from them"

I think people avoid your post because you are an idiot

[spursncowboys]

:lmao the thought of DOK's class all laughing with their professor when he said that. Groupspeak is comical coming from people who contribute nothing to society yet want to be so involved.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Comparing this to seat belt laws is asinine. Seat belt laws are there because of dumbfucks who don't wear a seatbelt but then expect taxpayers to finance their medical care when they get in a car accident. I'd rather just do away with seatbelt laws and let those poeple die off, but that'll never happen.

Point being, seat belt laws serve a tangible purpose, requiring students to read Ayn Rand books only serves the purpose of indoctrinating kids with right wing propoganda about faith based economics.

The guy proposing this even admitted to it. He flat out said, "Because it convinced my son to be a Republican" when he was asked what the motivation being the law was.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Like usual. DOK misses the point of a political movement that he knows nothing about.

I find it funnier how DOK never explains how to pay for all his favorite social policies. Like a kid telling their parents "Just go to bank and get money from them"

I think people avoid your post because you are an idiot

What social policies do you speak of exactly?

Also tell me more about how option trading is outlawed :lmao, I'm curious which professor taught you that one.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

i think it's a good idea and a great stop gap to liberal tyranny Goedde you the man tbh

But I thought you were for smaller government?

[spursncowboys]

The part of the story that you didn't read because it wasn't what your professor told you, or wasn't in the title:

But it turns out Goedde doesn’t plan to pursue the legislation; he introduced it to make a point. The state senator told fellow Education Committee members the bill was introduced to send a message over recent Education Committee decisions he disagreed with.“It was a shot over the bow just to let them know that there’s another way to adopt high school graduation requirements,” he said, according to the Spokesman (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/feb/05/bill-requires-all-idaho-kids-read-atlas-shrugged/). “I don’t intend to schedule a hearing on it.”
Apparently Goedde was unhappy with the Idaho State Board of Education’s decision to repeal a rule requiring two online courses to graduate from high school, as well as its decision to retreat from another planned rule on principal evaluations.


Idiot

[spursncowboys]

What social policies do you speak of exactly?

Also tell me more about how option trading is outlawed :lmao, I'm curious which professor taught you that one.

Good job deflecting from your failure in this post.

[spursncowboys]

:idiot

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The part of the story that you didn't read because it wasn't what your professor told you, or wasn't in the title:



Idiot[/FONT][/COLOR]
So this was a case of another tea bagger who didn't get what he wanted so he threw a temper tantrum about it and wasted the legislature's time to promote idealism rather than get stuff done?

Par for the course, tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Good job deflecting from your failure in this post.

Good job explaining what these alleged policies I favor are :lol

Or explaining where the hell you heard option trading was illegal :lmao

[spursncowboys]

So this was a case of another tea bagger who didn't get what he wanted so he threw a temper tantrum about it and wasted the legislature's time to promote idealism rather than get stuff done?

Par for the course, tbh.
Par for the course on you being an idiot.
Good job reading an article before you post it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/05/opinion/05herbert.html?_r=0


“Academically Adrift: Limited Learning on College Campuses,” makes a strong case that for a large portion of the nation’s seemingly successful undergraduates the years in college barely improve their skills in critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing.Intellectual effort and academic rigor, in the minds of many of the nation’s college students, is becoming increasingly less important. According to the authors, Professors Richard Arum of New York University and Josipa Roksa of the University of Virginia: “Many students come to college not only poorly prepared by prior schooling for highly demanding academic tasks that ideally lie in front of them, but — more troubling still — they enter college with attitudes, norms, values, and behaviors that are often at odds with academic commitment.”

It's like the author was writing about you

[spursncowboys]

And you wonder why they'll put a veteran in charge of you

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

College improved my skills enough where I'll be starting a job before my 23rd birthday that pays over 50k. At that age, you were still in Iraq murdering babies :lol

I'm still waiting to hear more about the policies I support and option trading being illegal.

[sickdsm]

Obese people are more of a burden then paraplegics.

How about a maximun 300 calorie purchase law?

That would be much more beneficial than the current seat belt laws.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And you wonder why they'll put a veteran in charge of you

:lol making more stuff up. Thanks for alerting me my boss is gonna be a veteran!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Obese people are more of a burden then paraplegics.

How about a maximun 300 calorie purchase law?

That would be much more beneficial than the current seat belt laws.
I couldn't agree more :tu

As long as we're gonna give free healthcare to obese people who chainsmoke, I'd restrict their eating in a lot of ways(however maximum 300 calories is a little overboard), like making it so food stamps can't be used to buy food that leads to type 2 beetus. And again, I'd much rather just let the obese people die off, but that'll never happen.

[spursncowboys]

College improved my skills enough where I'll be starting a job before my 23rd birthday that pays over 50k. At that age, you were still in Iraq murdering babies :lol

I'm still waiting to hear more about the policies I support and option trading being illegal.
At 23 I was an electrician apprentice making more than that with no debt. I joined the Army because I wanted to. I didn't start killing Iraqis until 25. Good job running to the shock comment that shows you maturity level well below 22.

:lol deflecting the point that college kids have less skills by stating you'll start a "job".

:lol the minute you actually tell someone your views on veterans at your new "job"

[sickdsm]

Why stop there? Lets outlaw sports. I shouldnt have to take on the buden of subsidizing the next lebron when he blows put his knee with no insurance.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

At 23 I was an electrician apprentice making more than that with no debt. I joined the Army because I wanted to. I didn't start killing Iraqis until 25. Good job running to the shock comment that shows you maturity level well below 22.

:lol deflecting the point that college kids have less skills by stating you'll start a "job".

:lol the minute you actually tell someone your views on veterans at your new "job"
I'm not deflecting a point I agree with, I'm laughing at the fact you think I'm an example of it. That article wasn't written about college kids like me, it was written about political science majors who pick a major "they find interesting!" that's completely useless in the real world. I'm also laughing at the fact you think I give a rat's ass about your assessment of my maturity level. The more people like you hate me, the better I feel about myself and my intelligence.

It's too bad you didn't learn more about option trading in college, tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why stop there? Lets outlaw sports. I shouldnt have to take on the buden of subsidizing the next lebron when he blows put his knee with no insurance.

When exactly do you have to subsidize professional athletes who get injuries?

I'm for doing more to regulate when professional sports teams are subsidized with new stadiums with city tax revenue (effectively transferring wealth from the middle class to professional athletes). That would have been the better direction to take this in.

[spursncowboys]

I'm not deflecting a point I agree with, I'm laughing at the fact you think I'm an example of it. That article wasn't written about college kids like me, it was written about political science majors who pick a major "they find interesting!" that's completely useless in the real world. I'm also laughing at the fact you think I give a rat's ass about your assessment of my maturity level. The more people like you hate me, the better I feel about myself and my intelligence.

It's too bad you didn't learn more about option trading in college, tbh.

What many of those students are not walking away with is something that has long been recognized as invaluable — higher order thinking and reasoning skills. They can get their degrees without putting in more of an effort because in far too many instances the colleges and universities are not demanding more of them
You're the poster boy of this

[Bill_Brasky]

At 23 I was an electrician apprentice making more than that with no debt. I joined the Army because I wanted to. I didn't start killing Iraqis until 25. Good job running to the shock comment that shows you maturity level well below 22.

:lol deflecting the point that college kids have less skills by stating you'll start a "job".

:lol the minute you actually tell someone your views on veterans at your new "job"

:lol baby killer
:lol proud of it
:lol thinking people really give a shit about veterans
:lol "ill pray for you and your safety" = "im gonna sit around and literally do nothing while you kill babies"

[spursncowboys]

:lol baby killer
:lol proud of it
:lol thinking people really give a shit about veterans
:lol "ill pray for you and your safety" = "im gonna sit around and literally do nothing while you kill babies"

Funny how you follow DOK around...
:lol having a true take on OP
:lol ganging up with internet friends
:lol failing at trolling

[spursncowboys]

You going to read the title and comment on the op too?
:lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You're the poster boy of this[/FONT][/COLOR]

:lmao if you say so. The fact you can't ever respond to the context of what I'm saying but instead resort to conjectures about me personally says plenty about your higher order thinking and reasoning skills (i.e. what policies do I exactly support but can't explain how to pay for? You still haven't explained det one).

[Wild Cobra]

SnC, they don't get it. They don't have the balls to join the military.

[ChumpDumper]

I bet the senator hasn't even read Atlas Shrugged.

[spursncowboys]

I bet you didn't read the article

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

SnC, they don't get it. They don't have the balls to join the military.
:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

I did read it. Is there a test?

[admiralsnackbar]

SnC, they don't get it. They don't have the balls to join the military. You mean the institution which perfectly flies in the face of objectivism? :lol

Soldiers are the ultimate pathetic takers in a Randian world-view... they either demonstrate their lack of reasoning by risking their lives for the interests of the collective, or they do it for a pittance that demonstrates how low their self-esteem/intelligence is. An objectivist would never respect somebody who took orders for a living, or who abrogated the will of another human by force. They'd scoff at the GI bill and VA benefits used to incentive-ize conscription. "If you wanted to learn a trade," they'd say, "why didn't you go learn one instead of leeching off taxpayers to do it?"

Don't get me wrong... I respect y'all's service, but Ayn Rand? She would think you were dickless roaches.

[Wild Cobra]

I think you have Rand's views wrong.

[ChumpDumper]

I think you have Rand's views wrong.In what way(s) do you think he has them wrong?

[admiralsnackbar]

I think you have Rand's views wrong.
I know more about her philosophy by reading it first-hand than you got from that amazing documentary you were raving about a few weeks back.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You mean the institution which perfectly flies in the face of objectivism? :lol

Soldiers are the ultimate pathetic takers in a Randian world-view... they either demonstrate their lack of reasoning by risking their lives for the interests of the collective, or they do it for a pittance that demonstrates how low their self-esteem/intelligence is. An objectivist would never respect somebody who took orders for a living, or who abrogated the will of another human by force. They'd scoff at the GI bill and VA benefits used to incentive-ize conscription. "If you wanted to learn a trade," they'd say, "why didn't you go learn one instead of leeching off taxpayers to do it?"

Don't get me wrong... I respect y'all's service, but Ayn Rand? She would think you were dickless roaches.

http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/3583649_o.gif

[Wild Cobra]

I know more about her philosophy by reading it first-hand than you got from that amazing documentary you were raving about a few weeks back.
Her views were of an immigrant and being afraid our country would turn out like the Eastern bloc nations. Her writings were fiction. Now to suggest she would feel like she does about our military today, would be to say our military is the same as she wrote fictionally about.

[admiralsnackbar]

Her views were of an immigrant and being afraid our country would turn out like the Eastern bloc nations. Her writings were fiction. Now to suggest she would feel like she does about our military today, would be to say our military is the same as she wrote fictionally about.

She didn't limit herself to fiction, Professor.

[Wild Cobra]

She didn't limit herself to fiction, Professor.
True.

What does that have to do with her opinion?

Are you going to lie to us, and tell us that the military we have today closely resembles that in her books?

[sickdsm]

When exactly do you have to subsidize professional athletes who get injuries?

I'm for doing more to regulate when professional sports teams are subsidized with new stadiums with city tax revenue (effectively transferring wealth from the middle class to professional athletes). That would have been the better direction to take this in.


Who said anything about professional?

Millions are wasting their lives thinking they'll someday make it as a pro.

[spursncowboys]

You mean the institution which perfectly flies in the face of objectivism? :lol

Soldiers are the ultimate pathetic takers in a Randian world-view... they either demonstrate their lack of reasoning by risking their lives for the interests of the collective, or they do it for a pittance that demonstrates how low their self-esteem/intelligence is. An objectivist would never respect somebody who took orders for a living, or who abrogated the will of another human by force. They'd scoff at the GI bill and VA benefits used to incentive-ize conscription. "If you wanted to learn a trade," they'd say, "why didn't you go learn one instead of leeching off taxpayers to do it?"

Don't get me wrong... I respect y'all's service, but Ayn Rand? She would think you were dickless roaches.

Negative Ghost rider. Randian view believed that armies and police should be used to protect against the taking and blocking of trade. With America protecting all sea passages and going to war with countries and opening up markets freely it's pretty much doing this. You are over simplifying their views.

[admiralsnackbar]

True.

What does that have to do with her opinion?

Are you going to lie to us, and tell us that the military we have today closely resembles that in her books?

I'll answer with two questions:

1) What the fuck are you talking about?

2) How is it germane to my point?

I never cited her fiction, see? Lemme set the tee-ball up again...

[spursncowboys]

You mean the institution which perfectly flies in the face of objectivism? :lol

Soldiers are the ultimate pathetic takers in a Randian world-view... they either demonstrate their lack of reasoning by risking their lives for the interests of the collective, or they do it for a pittance that demonstrates how low their self-esteem/intelligence is. An objectivist would never respect somebody who took orders for a living, or who abrogated the will of another human by force. They'd scoff at the GI bill and VA benefits used to incentive-ize conscription. "If you wanted to learn a trade," they'd say, "why didn't you go learn one instead of leeching off taxpayers to do it?"

Don't get me wrong... I respect y'all's service, but Ayn Rand? She would think you were dickless roaches.

GI Bill is an incentive that at it's inception was paid by the GI. VA Benefits are also a way to pay for the Army destroying a person's body. You are making them out to be anarchists. Which they are not.

[spursncowboys]

I know more about her philosophy by reading it first-hand than you got from that amazing documentary you were raving about a few weeks back.
One thing about their views is they debated it non-stop. It was ever changing.

[spursncowboys]

Objectivism (http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivism) is a philosophy, not a detailed blueprint for all aspects of social organization. As society gets closer to being one based in our core values of reason, individualism, achievement, and freedom, there will be many options to explore, and we will gain much practical experience in seeing how different institutional arrangements work out. From basic principles of human nature we can say something about the make-up of a just society, but we cannot say everythingwithout more experience and expertise to draw on. As a result, today there is a wide range of reasonable debate among Objectivists about the proper extent and form of the government of a free society.
Now, on to your questions.
1) The nature of military service (http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivism_military#)
Ayn Rand (http://www.atlassociety.org/ayn_rand) opposed the military draft as a violation of individual rights. There is some argument to be made for granting the government broad, exceptional powers in genuine emergency situations, but these are much, much rarer than commonly supposed. A war that a country's citizens do not volunteer to take part in is a war that deserves to be abandoned, and to coerce innocent people to risk or lose their lives is a profound violation of the purpose of government. A volunteer military, always and by all means.
You can read more of my thoughts on the draft in my article “Free Minds and Free Militaries.”
Who would serve? Citizens, I suppose. There are arguments against employing non-citizen mercenaries (Fall of the Roman Empire, and all that), but these are not decisive. We would have to see what institutions best accord with practical justice.

http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivism_military

[admiralsnackbar]

Negative Ghost rider. Randian view believed that armies and police should be used to protect against the taking and blocking of trade. With America protecting all sea passages and going to war with countries and opening up markets freely it's pretty much doing this. You are over simplifying their views.

You're pointing out one of Rand's recurrent logical conflicts between individual ethics and economic doctrine. She wants both what I said AND what you've said to be true. But they cannot be simultaneously true, so "oversimplification" is inevitable.

[spursncowboys]

3) Would the military provide medical services (http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivism_military#)?
Well, I suppose it would buy insurance. How long soldiers or ex-soldiers would be covered for is a matter to be settled democratically. But justice would seem to demand that soldiers be fully covered for injuries suffered in battle, at the minimum.
It is hard to see, however, once we ignore bad socialist premises, why the government should run a massive bureaucracy like the Veterans Administration. An interesting question for a freer future is whether the government should literally own any property at all (rather than leasing, for example). Objectivism (http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivism) says nothing conclusive either way on that last matter.

So I guess I was wrong in some aspects. :toast

[spursncowboys]

You're pointing out one of Rand's recurrent logical conflicts between individual ethics and economic doctrine. She wants both what I said AND what you've said to be true. But they cannot be simultaneously true, so "oversimplification" is inevitable.
touche. Which goes back to the quote about it not being a blue print. But something to get closer to

[ElNono]

The connection I don't see is how forcing kids to read Atlas Shrugged "improve their skills in critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing"...

If the kid decides to pick up the book and read it, more power to him/her. Making it required reading seems to actually go entirely against the "critical thinking" part...

[admiralsnackbar]

http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivism_military[/FONT][/COLOR]
Right... now explain to me why an individual chooses to enlist and how it fits in with her dogma.

[spursncowboys]

The connection I don't see is how forcing kids to read Atlas Shrugged "improve their skills in critical thinking, complex reasoning and writing"...

If the kid decides to pick up the book and read it, more power to him/her. Making it required reading seems to actually go entirely against the "critical thinking" part...

I agree. The politician was never going to. He made the statement as hyperbole. DoK pulled a B_D- didn't read the article

[ElNono]

to be fair, I think there's a lot of "making a point", and little of "making" with legislatures in general these days...

[spursncowboys]

http://www.atlassociety.org/objectivism_military[/FONT][/COLOR]

Right... now explain to me why an individual chooses to enlist and how it fits in with her dogma.

LnnGrr for example got a skill that he would otherwise had to have paid for. So the interests of knowledge. Alot of the military travel to actually nice parts of the world. Some people want it for the credibility that it gives you. Some do it for the leadership it instills in you (Robert Kyosaki stated this as his primary reason for joining the military). There are endless "selfish" reasons why people would join.

[spursncowboys]

to be fair, I think there's a lot of "making a point", and little of "making" with legislatures in general these days...

Absolutely

[admiralsnackbar]

GI Bill is an incentive that at it's inception was paid by the GI. VA Benefits are also a way to pay for the Army destroying a person's body. You are making them out to be anarchists. Which they are not. Yet their ideal "state" has no precedent, nor any reasonable expectation of efficacy. It may not be anarchy, but it is stupid.

[admiralsnackbar]

One thing about their views is they debated it non-stop. It was ever changing. And yet they deem it systematic enough to merit its own "-ism."

[spursncowboys]

Yet their ideal "state" has no precedent, nor any reasonable expectation of efficacy. It may not be anarchy, but it is stupid.

Why does something have to lack intelligence if it's not agreeable?

[admiralsnackbar]

Why does something have to lack intelligence if it's not agreeable?
Because it is an unfeasible idealistic construct which purports to be based on practical feasibility. See: Marx.

Machiavelli and Hobbes are considered "disagreeable," but at least they propose viable, logically-consistent (insofar as is possible) political/economic principles. Rousseau proposes a perfectly agreeable vision of the state, and I think he's more or less an idiot on that score as well.

[Clipper Nation]

:lol Neocons continuing to demand big government

[Clipper Nation]

SnC, they don't get it. They don't have the balls to join the military.
:lol Fetishizing the life of oil companies' and defense cronies' slaves

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol zionist mercenaries
:lol thinking that you defend the United State then you get deployed to defend Israel

[boutons_deux]

they'll put a veteran in charge

Let's go to the shooting range, huh? It's great fun! :lol

A veteran is one the most untrustworthy groups. 30%+ from Afghanistan, Iraq, Kuwait have PTSD, TBI, chemical diseases, etc.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah veterans have a much higher unemployment rate than the rest of the country it's a total myth that they get management level jobs so easily.

[Th'Pusher]

A lot of veteran rapists too.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

and puppy killers too

Gotta protect America against those terrorist puppies

[LnGrrrR]

College improved my skills enough where I'll be starting a job before my 23rd birthday that pays over 50k. At that age, you were still in Iraq murdering babies :lol

I'm still waiting to hear more about the policies I support and option trading being illegal.

Didn't realize you were such a young blood, scro.

[LnGrrrR]

You mean the institution which perfectly flies in the face of objectivism? :lol

Soldiers are the ultimate pathetic takers in a Randian world-view... they either demonstrate their lack of reasoning by risking their lives for the interests of the collective, or they do it for a pittance that demonstrates how low their self-esteem/intelligence is. An objectivist would never respect somebody who took orders for a living, or who abrogated the will of another human by force. They'd scoff at the GI bill and VA benefits used to incentive-ize conscription. "If you wanted to learn a trade," they'd say, "why didn't you go learn one instead of leeching off taxpayers to do it?"

Don't get me wrong... I respect y'all's service, but Ayn Rand? She would think you were dickless roaches.

The US military is probably one of the largest socialist institutions in the world. And Ayn Rand is a sloppy malodorous ****, for what it's worth.

Not sure about Rands views on the military, tbqh. I would assume she would believe some sort of defense is necessary, but maybe she would like it all civilianized like Blackwater. I'll have to look that up now that I'm curious.

[LnGrrrR]

Actually, turns out Rand supported the military:


You have chosen to risk your lives for the defense of this country. I will not insult you by saying that you are dedicated to selfless service — it is not a virtue in my morality. In my morality, the defense of one's country means that a man is personally unwilling to live as the conquered slave of any enemy, foreign or domestic. This is an enormous virtue. Some of you may not be consciously aware of it. I want to help you to realize it.

The army of a free country has a great responsibility: the right to use force, but not as an instrument of compulsion and brute conquest — as the armies of other countries have done in their histories — only as an instrument of a free nation's self-defense, which means: the defense of a man's individual rights. The principle of using force only in retaliation against those who initiate its use, is the principle of subordinating might to right. The highest integrity and sense of honor are required for such a task. No other army in the world has achieved it. You have.

Of course, she was speaking to future officers. She'd probably think that the enlisted folks are useless.

[ElNono]

Ofcourse she wants an army to protect the criminal, individualistic oilco bible-thumping bankster bubbas running the VRWC, and what's more selfless than letting messicans be the cannon fodder?

America the brave is fucked and unfuckable, GFY.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Didn't realize you were such a young blood, scro.
:lol being on the same side of the argument as spursncowboys

[LnGrrrR]

:lol being on the same side of the argument as spursncowboys

Would you argue that we don't need a military? :)

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Would you argue that we don't need a military? :)
That hasn't been a topic in this thread.

I'd argue Ayn Rand shouldn't be someone we look to as guide for how to shape the government.

But to answer your question, I'd definitely argue we don't need a military that has 1.4 million people in it with an annual budget in hundreds of billions of dollars.

[mavs>spurs]

lol tax payer funded imperialism

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

lol tax payer funded imperialism
:lol billions of tax dollars going towards aiding zionists
:lol going to war because zionists in Israel tell us to

[mavs>spurs]

:lol starting at about 1:15


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-5hUG6Os68

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Netanyahu
:lol Jews who hated George Bush but love Netanyahu when they have identical views on foreign policy
:lol supporting the Patriot Act because Netanyahu tells them to

[Clipper Nation]

:lol People who don't support our out-of-control foreign policy being labeled "anti-Semitic" by neocons
:lol Those same neocons complaining about Obama's foreign policy, which is a carbon copy of Dubya's

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol People who don't support our out-of-control foreign policy being labeled "anti-Semitic" by neocons
:lol Those same neocons complaining about Obama's foreign policy, which is a carbon copy of Dubya's
:lol the anti-Semite one comes up quite a bit. When I'm arguing with my Jewish friends about Israel, they're always at a loss for words because they can't resort to the "you're just an anti-Semite!" name calling they're used to using with other people knowing they'd look ridiculous calling someone an anti-Semite when they were at his bar-mitzvah.

The bullshit goes both ways with the Bush vs. Obama foreign policy. I see a lot of flip flopping from Obamafans and a lot of simply making shit up from neocons. Obamafans went from being critical of the Patriot Act to blindly defending it (and the NDAA) because we need to worry about the Islamic boogeyman and :crysupport Israel:cry. Neocons just say blatantly false shit like "Obama hates Israel!" or "Obama lets the presence of Islam in the middle east run rampant!" that I was was true. A neocon Jew I know who went balls deep for Romney took it to a new level leading up to the election when he was saying, "Obama should be going to war with Iran because Netanyahu is saying he should!"

[LnGrrrR]

That hasn't been a topic in this thread.

I'd argue Ayn Rand shouldn't be someone we look to as guide for how to shape the government.

But to answer your question, I'd definitely argue we don't need a military that has 1.4 million people in it with an annual budget in hundreds of billions of dollars.

But we DO need a military, correct? If so, then you are on the same page that I am. I'd like the military to be shrunk as well... Assuming they cut down on some of our missions.

[spursncowboys]

Ofcourse she wants an army to protect the criminal, individualistic oilco bible-thumping bankster bubbas running the VRWC, and what's more selfless than letting messicans be the cannon fodder?

America the brave is fucked and unfuckable, GFY.

Knowledge of subject at hand down the drain.

[spursncowboys]

:lol being on the same side of the argument as spursncowboys
The side that doesn't post something wrong because I read it and didn't go by my professor's word?
idiot

[spursncowboys]

:lol Neocons continuing to demand big government
WTF are you talking about

[spursncowboys]

:lol zionist mercenaries
:lol thinking that you defend the United State then you get deployed to defend Israel
LOL king: Do you ever have facts for your non-sense? Do you ever make sense?


What many of those students are not walking away with is something that has long been recognized as invaluable — higher order thinking and reasoning skills.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I have a lot more facts than people who think option trading is illegal rofl rofl

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

But we DO need a military, correct? If so, then you are on the same page that I am. I'd like the military to be shrunk as well... Assuming they cut down on some of our missions.
Cool. I have no idea why the fuck the subject of "Do we need a military" is relevant.

Do you think the sun is gonna rise tomorrow? If so then WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE!

[spursncowboys]

I have a lot more facts than people who think option trading is illegal rofl rofl

Glad you have facts. Just wish you could use them. Then again that would take you using cognitive thought, and not regurgitating a professor.

[spursncowboys]

students are not walking away with is something that has long been recognized as invaluable — higher order thinking and reasoning skills.

[Clipper Nation]

WTF are you talking about
Neoconservatives like this Tea Party douche say they want small government one minute and then call for the government to dictate what their constituents read the next minute.... it's hypocrisy, plain and simple...

[spursncowboys]

Neoconservatives like this Tea Party douche say they want small government one minute and then call for the government to dictate what their constituents read the next minute.... it's hypocrisy, plain and simple...
Read the article posted. DOK is a moron. Plain and simple. It was hyperbole

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Glad you have facts. Just wish you could use them. Then again that would take you using cognitive thought, and not regurgitating a professor.
What professor am I regurgitating :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Read the article posted. DOK is a moron. Plain and simple. It was hyperbole
How was it hyperbole?

[spursncowboys]

How was it hyperbole?

That's amusing since you didn't read your own article you posted. Maybe if you read it, you'll find out.

Intellectual effort and academic rigor, in the minds of many of the nation’s college students, is becoming increasingly less important.

[spursncowboys]

What professor am I regurgitating :lmao

:lol not disagreeing your lack of, or using, cognitive thinking in your response

[vy65]

Lol the guy who didn't even go to college posting about college kids not caring about class

[spursncowboys]

Lol the guy who didn't even go to college posting about college kids not caring about class
Right on time DOK2.

I didn't go to college?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That's amusing since you didn't read your own article you posted. Maybe if you read it, you'll find out.
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I don't see how the senator used hyperbole by proposing a bill to prove a point. Do you know what hyperbole is?


:lol not disagreeing your lack of, or using, cognitive thinking in your response
My laziness about reading an article =/= a lack of cognitive thinking. A lack of cognitive thinking is copy pasting something without ever responding to the content of the post (like where you heard option trading was illegal, or what policies I support but can't explain how we should pay for).

So what professor am I regurgitating?

[vy65]

Right on time DOK2.

I didn't go to college?

Did you? Cause it don't show.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Did you? Cause it don't show.
He got a 2 year associates degree :lol

[vy65]

Air conditioner repair votech don't count

[spursncowboys]

I don't see how the senator used hyperbole by proposing a bill to prove a point. Do you know what hyperbole is? So did you actually read it?



My laziness about reading an article =/= a lack of cognitive thinking. you started a thread with an article that you hadn't read. Had it been an open discussion type would be one thing. However you made a comment lambasting someone from the title of the article, which was incorrect. That is pretty high a level of moronic. It goes exactly towards the quotes I have been posting about college kids in general, with you showing a perfect example.

However, your ad hom immature posting is your shtick. Shocking, abrasive and without any facts. So keep doing what you are doing. Vy65 seems to love it.

BTW: The option trading was a question. Good job with that one as well.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So did you actually read it?
Yes, didn't see any hyperbole from the senator.


you started a thread with an article that you hadn't read. Had it been an open discussion type would be one thing. However you made a comment lambasting someone from the title of the article, which was incorrect. That is pretty high a level of moronic. It goes exactly towards the quotes I have been posting about college kids in general, with you showing a perfect example.
I heard about the bill on Real Time and the part about him proposing it just to make a point wasn't mentioned. I used the first article that popped up on google when I decided to make a thread about it.


However, your ad hom immature posting is your shtick. Shocking, abrasive and without any facts. So keep doing what you are doing. Vy65 seems to love it.
:lol without facts? According to you I've been in college for 8 years and I'm going to graduate unemployed :lol, you make more stuff up than anyone else who's gotten asspained at my trolling.


: The option trading was a question. Good job with that one as well.
Here it is:

I thought option trading were outlawed by Dodd and Friends.
Here's something to know, questions have a question mark at the end. Time to work on your cognitive skills!

[spursncowboys]

Did you? Cause it don't show.
:lmao don't it?

[vy65]

So I guess that's a no on college then huh?

[spursncowboys]

Here's something to know, questions have a question mark at the end. Time to work on your cognitive skills!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=indirect+questions

:lmao moron

[spursncowboys]

Air conditioner repair votech don't count

THey make more than you and DOK will ever make.

[spursncowboys]

Did you? Cause it don't show.

Usually I try not to make fun of people's bad grammar and sentence building. But come on VY. You can't make fun of my intelligence with a sentence like that. DOESN'T show.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=indirect+questions

:lmao moron
So now it was an indirect question?

:lol moving the goalposts
:lol ignoring the rest of my post

[spursncowboys]

Do I really need to quote your opinion on what a question is?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Usually I try not to make fun of people's bad grammar and sentence building. But come on VY. You can't make fun of my intelligence with a sentence like that. DOESN'T show.
:lol your grammar on this site is atrocious, you making fun of someone else's grammar is pretty hilarious:


I thought option trading were outlawed by Dodd and Friends.
WAS outlawed

[vy65]

THey make more than you and DOK will ever make.

Nope, they don't.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Do I really need to quote your opinion on what a question is?
The fact you're trying to go on a tangent about the technicalities of a question because everything you've said has gotten destroyed is enough for me, so do as you please. Another example of this is vy's post, you went on a tangent about grammar cause you either didn't go to college or you're embarrassed about whatever college you went to :lol

[vy65]

Usually I try not to make fun of people's bad grammar and sentence building. But come on VY. You can't make fun of my intelligence with a sentence like that. DOESN'T show.

Since you didn't go to college, how are you qualified to comment on their attitudes towards class?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Since you didn't go o college, how are you qualified to comment on their attitudes towards class?
He's not gonna respond to the context of this post, he's gonna go on a tangent about your typo leaving the "t" off "to"

[vy65]

I guess SnC's Devry program didn't teach him what a colloquialism is.

[spursncowboys]

The fact you're trying to go on a tangent about the technicalities of a question because everything you've said has gotten destroyed is enough for me, so do as you please. Another example of this is vy's post, you went on a tangent about grammar cause you either didn't go to college or you're embarrassed about whatever college you went to :lol
:lmao
Wow...You are complete fail.
:lol moron

[spursncowboys]

Since you didn't go to college, how are you qualified to comment on their attitudes towards class?
I didn't go to college?
In that moronic view: Are you saying I should not have a view on a subject if I had not had first hand knowledge?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao
Wow...You are complete fail.
:lol moron
*a complete fail

[spursncowboys]

Nope, they don't.
:lmao

[spursncowboys]

*a complete fail
*"a complete fail"

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I find it funnier how DOK never explains how to pay for all his favorite social policies.
I'm still waiting to hear what my favorite policies are :lol

[Axe Murderer]

Usually I try not to make fun of people's bad grammar and sentence building. But come on VY. You can't make fun of my intelligence with a sentence like that. DOESN'T show.

The way you're dodging this question like mookie dodges a weight watcher's competition, I'm guessing you probably did go to college but it was some bullshit Devry University 2 year associates degree in Nose Picking or something along those lines.

Amirite?

[vy65]

I didn't go to college?
In that moronic view: Are you saying I should not have a view on a subject if I had not had first hand knowledge?

No, I'm saying your view is wrong and you'd know better if you went to a real university and weren't proud of being a Phoenix.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No, I'm saying your view is wrong and you'd know better if you went to a real university and weren't proud of being a Phoenix.
:lmao:lmao

[log in/log out goods]

Basically this thread, in a nutshell, has gone like this from snc
1) accuses DoK of having special polices that he doesn't know how to pay for
2) finds some random sentence in the article that accuses college students and blindly throws it at DoK
3) 4 pages later still doesn't give any examples of special policies
4) Starts randomly calling everyone a moron instead of answering a simple question

I always knew spursncowboys was just a butthurt veteran but I didn't know he was this retarded

[spursncowboys]

The way you're dodging this question like mookie dodges a weight watcher's competition, I'm guessing you probably did go to college but it was some bullshit Devry University 2 year associates degree in Nose Picking or something along those lines.

Amirite?

Why did you get into this? You're the worse kind of troll. spineless follower

[spursncowboys]

:lmao busting out all the trolls now! DOK use his distress call.

[spursncowboys]

Basically this thread, in a nutshell, has gone like this from snc
1) accuses DoK of having special polices that he doesn't know how to pay for
2) finds some random sentence in the article that accuses college students and blindly throws it at DoK
3) 4 pages later still doesn't give any examples of special policies
4) Starts randomly calling everyone a moron instead of answering a simple question

I always knew spursncowboys was just a butthurt veteran but I didn't know he was this retarded
That's pretty lame logging in all your trolls. :lmao complete and utter fail. Way to hold DOK's pocket

[Axe Murderer]

Why did you get into this? You're the worse kind of troll. spineless follower

Did you or did you not go to college?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Why did you get into this? You're the WORST kind of troll. spineless follower
fify

[TheMime]

...

[Clipper Nation]

That's pretty lame logging in all your trolls. :lmao complete and utter fail. Way to hold DOK's pocket

http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/profiles/451265logo.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/profiles/451265logo.jpg
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/185tnmdarm21dgif/original.gif

[LnGrrrR]

Cool. I have no idea why the fuck the subject of "Do we need a military" is relevant.

Do you think the sun is gonna rise tomorrow? If so then WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE!

If you believe the military is a necessity to defend our freedoms in some fashion, then it doesn't make a lot of sense to scoff every military member for believing they are defending freedom, does it? After all, there has to be SOME number of those in the military defending the US.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If you believe the military is a necessity to defend our freedoms in some fashion, then it doesn't make a lot of sense to scoff every military member for believing they are defending freedom, does it? After all, there has to be SOME number of those in the military defending the US.
I'm scoffing anyone who thought they were defending our freedom when they fought in Iraq. That's not relevant to this thread though. Why are you acting deliberately obtuse?

[LnGrrrR]

I'm scoffing anyone who thought they were defending our freedom when they fought in Iraq. That's not relevant to this thread though. Why are you acting deliberately obtuse?

For funsies? And c'mon DoK, lets not pretend that you don't scoff military every chance you get. Also, it sucks trying to go through college in the military. Deployments and PCSs are a real pain in the ass if you want to attend a school that actually exists in brick and mortar.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

For funsies? And c'mon DoK, lets not pretend that you don't scoff military every chance you get.
It's more I find it fun to scoff dumbshits like spursncowboys who think the neocons like Cheney and Rumsfeld who sent him to war give a flying fuck about the decaying corpses in his sig. They're the reason I scoff the military. That and the fact defense spending is bankrupting this country.

[LnGrrrR]

It's more I find it fun to scoff dumbshits like spursncowboys who think the neocons like Cheney and Rumsfeld who sent him to war give a flying fuck about the decaying corpses in his sig. They're the reason I scoff the military. That and the fact defense spending is bankrupting this country.

Understandable, but scoffing enlisted folks like SnC and me is like scoffing the busboy when your restaurant order sucks. We aren't really the ones making the big decisions for the most part, and we certainly aren't pushing the funding.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Understandable, but scoffing enlisted folks like SnC and me is like scoffing the busboy when your restaurant order sucks. We aren't really the ones making the big decisions for the most part, and we certainly aren't pushing the funding.
No, it'd be like scoffing the busboy after he insisted my restaurant order that sucks was delicious and that I should be thankful for it.

[LnGrrrR]

No, it'd be like scoffing the busboy after he insisted my restaurant order that sucks was delicious and that I should be thankful for it.

:lol Fair enough. But only if you remember that I defend your right to say those words. Especially over the internet, because I'm a cyber warrior.

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol Fair enough. But only if you remember that I defend your right to say those words. Especially over the internet, because I'm a cyber warrior.

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!
The taxes I paid last year and the year before (haven't worked yet in 2013 :lol) compensate you for your services.

I'd also say you don't protect my speech over the internet but more-so my computer from being hacked but either way I see your point :lol

[sjacquemotte]

http://www.militaryfriendlyschools.com/profiles/451265logo.jpg

:lol
pretty good asshole

[sjacquemotte]

It's more I find it fun to scoff dumbshits like spursncowboys who think the neocons like Cheney and Rumsfeld who sent him to war give a flying fuck about the decaying corpses in his sig. They're the reason I scoff the military. That and the fact defense spending is bankrupting this country.

When did I say that?
:lol
Coward! You're a sick POS even referencing those heroes for a drive by worthless comment like that.

[sjacquemotte]

The taxes I paid last year and the year before (haven't worked yet in 2013 :lol) compensate you for your services.

I'd also say you don't protect my speech over the internet but more-so my computer from being hacked but either way I see your point :lol

What taxes did you pay?
:lol acting like you contribute

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

what the fuck

[mavs>spurs]

well i do pay taxes and i agree that military spending is bankrupting this country, and i dont approve of my tax dollars going towards world policing

[sjacquemotte]

what the fuck

Use cognitive thinking on this one coward.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah I'm not convinced this is snc. Good immitation tho.

[ElNono]

Knowledge of subject at hand down the drain.

lighten up... I was impersonating another poster... should've been pretty obvious, tbh

[spursncowboys]

lighten up... I was impersonating another poster... should've been pretty obvious, tbh
:lol
I just reread it and see it now.

[ElNono]

:lol
I just reread it and see it now.

:toast

[ElNono]

Yeah I'm not convinced this is snc. Good immitation tho.

Oh, it's him...

http://www.myspace.com/sjacquemotte

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Well that was pretty fuckin stupid to make finding his personal info that easy :lmao:lmao:lmao

Cool profile pic, Sean

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c-lBaknXyn8/ThnhiVREW9I/AAAAAAAABT0/iNdSLdRLqgo/s490/IMG_7738.JPG

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://sjacquemotte.aidpage.com/


I am Active Duty Cavalry Scout. One of my soldiers in my Section is having some issues. His wife is going to college, and he has a babysitter he has to drive his kids to. I am letting him use my old truck but it isn't dependable. He's a SPC with a wife and three kids. He has done one 12 month deployment. I went online to try and find some help for him and saw this. What happened with his car was his radiator blew. Any kind of help (i.e. links, advice) would definitely be appreciated

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[mavs>spurs]

Lol typical army fag

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

What kind of a shitty leader goes online to get advice on helping someone in his unit :lol

[sjacquemotte]

:lmao still a pussy. I'm not hiding behind an anonymous name saying vile shit. Then again I'm not a coward.

:lol

[sjacquemotte]

:lol pretty pathetic googling my name.

[Clipper Nation]

:lmao still a pussy. I'm not hiding behind an anonymous name saying vile shit. Then again I'm not a coward.

:lol
Weren't you just "hiding behind" your anonymous spursncowboys username until recently? :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol pretty pathetic googling my name.
Hey I need to drive my kids to daycare can I borrow your car?

[sjacquemotte]

:lmao. How is that a put down, dumbass? You don't even have a job...

[clambake]

i can see the wanted poster.

"2 goats for the capture of sean"

your friend,

the taliban

[sjacquemotte]

Weren't you just "hiding behind" your anonymous spursncowboys (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15155) username until recently? :lol

You're a moron. Wasn't that obvious and the point?

[DarrinS]

George Orwell's 1984 was required reading when I was in screwel. Good thing, too.

[sjacquemotte]

Hey I need to drive my kids to daycare can I borrow your car?

:lmao

You spent how long looking for that? :lol that's pretty pathetic. Even for an online troll

[sjacquemotte]

http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/texas.shtml

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/texas.shtml

:lol you gonna call the cyberpolice on me?

I'm scared!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao

You spent how long looking for that? :lol that's pretty pathetic. Even for an online troll
What's even more pathetic is you needing to go online and beg for help because you're a shitty leader.

Now I know why all those cheese dicks in your sig are getting their eye sockets fucked by Iraqi necropheliacs right now. They were probably under your command, Sean.

[spursncowboys]

:lol you gonna call the cyberpolice on me?

I'm scared!

:lol

[spursncowboys]

Lol. Trying to help a soldier get his car fixed is a bad leader? When have you been in charge of anything.

It's irrelevant if you are scared or not

[spursncowboys]

I don't know who that sjacquemotte or Sean is and I'm not gay but that is one sexy son of a bitch

[sjacquemotte]

I don't know who that sjacquemotte or Sean is and I'm not gay but that is one sexy son of a bitch

Thanks snc. You are probably the best poster on this site.

[TeyshaBlue]

I don't know who that sjacquemotte or Sean is and I'm not gay but that is one sexy son of a bitch

gaylord.

[Clipper Nation]

I don't know who that sjacquemotte or Sean is and I'm not gay but that is one sexy son of a bitch


Thanks snc. You are probably the best poster on this site.

:lol Needing to create another account to boost your own self-esteem

[DarrinS]

gaylord.

focker

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Both snc and sjacquemotte were created within a day of each other and the myspace page ElNono linked is pretty convincing they're the same. Either way going on the internet and asking how to get a car fixed is hilarious.

[sjacquemotte]

Great job detective. Or the fact I stated I was.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Great job detective. Or the fact I stated I was.

Have you ever heard of what a mechanic is?

[GoodOdor]

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[TeyshaBlue]

focker

:lol

[mavs>spurs]

I don't know who that sjacquemotte or Sean is and I'm not gay but that is one sexy son of a bitch


Thanks snc. You are probably the best poster on this site.

is this the type of stuff that army fags come up with when there is nothing else to do in the middle of buttfuck, afghanistan? you could always get out and go play with puppies or something imho.

[spursncowboys]

Have you ever heard of what a mechanic is?
:lmao. I doubt you can even change an oil filter

[sjacquemotte]

is this the type of stuff that army fags come up with when there is nothing else to do in the middle of buttfuck, afghanistan? you could always get out and go play with puppies or something imho.
That was the marines moron. :lol

[sjacquemotte]

Have you ever heard of what a mechanic is?

You don't even make sense...:lmao

[sjacquemotte]

Both snc and sjacquemotte were created within a day of each other and the myspace page ElNono linked is pretty convincing they're the same. Either way going on the internet and asking how to get a car fixed is hilarious.
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[spursncowboys]

Have you ever heard of what a mechanic is?
:lmao you probably pay someone to change your wiper blades
:lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol this the smack talk you've resorted to? "I'll bet you can't do _____ with a car!"

:lmao white trash
:lmao bragging about being able to change oil
:lmao maybe your post-military future rests at Jiffy Lube

[spursncowboys]

:lol changing oil is white trash? :lmao I was only talking trash about the windshield wipers. Now I'm not so sure
:lol having your mom mow the yard growing up

[sjacquemotte]

:lol this the smack talk you've resorted to? "I'll bet you can't do _____ with a car!"

:lmao white trash
:lmao bragging about being able to change oil
:lmao maybe your post-military future rests at Jiffy Lube

Wow...You are pathetic

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lol raving about being able to do stuff mechanics can do is pretty white trash
:lol your mom made you do a whole bunch of chores yet that poor slut couldn't even send you to college

[sjacquemotte]

:lol raving about being able to do stuff mechanics can do is pretty white trash
:lol your mom made you do a whole bunch of chores yet that poor slut couldn't even send you to college

No she couldn't. Good thing I was an adult and went to college without her help. But it sounds like Cartman's mom helped you with everything.
:lol not knowing how to change the headlights
:lol not having chores growing up
:lol having someone pay for your education as an adult
:lol having mommy pay for your education as an "adult"
:lol sucking the nip way after you should of
:lol offended watching southpark because Cartman's mom reminds you of yours too much

[spursncowboys]

Seven pages of pure fail. Even your trolls and your "friends" couldn't bail you out.

:lol detective

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So your claims to fame are being able to do household chores and change headlights. If my goal in life was to be a Mexican, I'd be REALLY jealous of you :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

No she couldn't. Good thing I was an adult and went to college without her help. But it sounds like Cartman's mom helped you with everything.
:lol not knowing how to change the headlights
:lol not having chores growing up
:lol having someone pay for your education as an adult
:lol having mommy pay for your education as an "adult"
:lol sucking the nip way after you should of
:lol offended watching southpark because Cartman's mom reminds you of yours too much

Sorry your slut mom was too busy fucking your deadbeat stepdad :lol
Don't take it out on me :lol

[sjacquemotte]

:lol raving about being able to do stuff mechanics can do is pretty white trash
:lol your mom made you do a whole bunch of chores yet that poor slut couldn't even send you to college

Stuff that makes your hands icky? :lmao

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

All that stuff you're supposedly able to do with cars yet you have to go online for advice when your friend needs a ride :lol

[sjacquemotte]

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Didn't know you were so famous